After 3 yrs, water is still in the jar! Enzyme Fuel Additive! Star-Tron disperse water test?
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- čas přidán 18. 11. 2020
- UPDATE 3 years and water is still very visible at the bottom of the jar! I've been using this Star-Tron fuel additive for about a year and will continue to do so, but I wanted to find out how well it disperses water in the fuel, like the Amazon ads claim. There are mostly positive reviews, but then there are the few that tell of horrible results. For that reason, I decided to see for myself. This stuff may very well may boost stale gas, as they also claim, probably due to the Naphtha, but of course your results may vary. In 20 gallons, the amount of water I put in the jar would be like a drop at the bottom of the tank. I tried all different amounts. I tried a tiny few drops first and a lot of additive in this tiny amount of gas in the jar. All was the same. Water drops sunk to the bottom immediately and never dissipated. I would have showed that, but it was not easy for the camera to see the water. No matter, as the results were always the same. By the way, when I was a kid, I had a water injector that sprayed a fine mist into the carb on my 55 Chevy and it actually made it run better. It was called a water injection kit. Today, only Amsoil Gas additives have a proven track record scientifically.
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You seem to have completely missed the point of the additive, It isn’t intended to disperse water into the fuel, it IS intended to stop the ethanol in the fuel mixing with any water present in the tank. when ethanol mixes with water it forms a phase separation gel, a gel that rusts tanks, blocks carbs and doesn’t combust.
Your experiment actually proved that the additive worked, if it hadnt there would have been a new layer of phase separated ethanol gel, which there wasnt.
It definitely works because my motorcycle was stopping every 5 minutes one day until I put startron in it and it stopped.....
way to much water, equivalent of phase separation.
I’m curious to see if it would make the water so it might combust. Water is obviously heavier and will not readily mix with gas. Nice experiment. Thanks.
In the 70’s, 80’s I did not have many options and used Stabil with So-So results. In 2012 my chain saw shop said they had switched to Star Tron and was all they sold after having great results. I started using in my Harley and all gas for my home gas implements. Snow Blower, Chain Saw, Trimmer, Leaf Blower. After sitting all off season every one started easily and with minimal smoke. I’ve never tried Sefoam but friends like it.
Good grief! This is so completely wrong. You have a massive overdose of water, which would require putting a garden hose in your boat or car to achieve. Not what happens from moisture collecting in a fuel tank. Then you add an absurd amount of fuel additive, and even worse, this is a jar. Where did you think the water was going to do? C'mon! Be real. If you have water in your vehicle that has collected by normal circumstances (vented tanks absorb a small amount of water of time) and put in StarTron and drove the vehicle, very small amounts of water will be picked up into the fuel and consumed during operation, drying out the tank. That's what Starbrite says, that's what Startron does. FYI...extra-cellular enzymes have been used to break down hydrocarbon fuels in oil spills, clean up clogged oil well bore holes and pipes, and are used in a myriad of industrial applications for decades.
What I have personally experienced,through my small engine customers experiences,is this.
If they do get a slug of water large enough to kill the engine,with Startron already in the fuel mixture from their supply tank,waiting approximately 24 hours,the Startron actually did enough good in the carburetor bowl to either dissipate or aid in evaporation of the slug of water in the bottom of the carburetor bowl.
A lot of the condensation comes from terrible storage practices.
Throwing a tarp over your lawnmower just makes a sweaty greenhouse effect inside your fuel tank and it isn't doing the blade or underside of your deck any good either. Humid,damp environment with the dirt and grass clippings stuck on everything,is just a perfect invitation for rust.
K-100 will mix with the water,but the water is still present,just incorporated back in to the fuel mixture,in a combustible form.
I could go on.
I'll just say this,K-100 for routine moisture problem prevention.
Startron to prevent fuel degradation.
Ditch any fuel that is older than two months old. If it looks like piss or darker it's probably bad.
I've dumped mower tanks and the fuel looked strong tea. Garbage.
All good advice. I made this video 6 months ago and have kept the jar with the Star tron and 3 drops of water in it. Still can see the water, and they never dissipated. I never tried the K100. Guess I should try the same experiment with that. Thanks.
I put it in a small jar added some water and mixed it up and what I seen was it breaking down to very small droplets thus it would burn as the engine was running
I’ve seen people clean valves on GDI engines using water sprayed in the intake. Worked as well as most “cleaners”.
I've been using this Star-Tron fuel additive for about a year and will continue to do so, but I wanted to find how well it disperses water in the fuel, like the Amazon ads claim. There are mostly positive reviews, but then there are the few that tell of horrible results. For that reason, I decided to see for myself. This stuff may very well may boost stale gas, as they also claim, probably due to the Naptha, but of course your results may vary. In 20 gallons, the amount of water I put in the jar would be like a drop at the bottom of the tank. I tried all different amounts. I tried a tiny few drops first and a lot of additive in this tiny amount of gas in the jar. All was the same. Water drops sunk to the bottom immediately and never dissipated. I would have showed that, but it was not easy for the camera to see the water. No matter, as the results were always the same. By the way, when I was a kid, I had a water injector that sprayed a fine mist into the carb on my 55 Chevy and it actually made it run better. It was called a water injection kit.
Thank you, Good thing I watched your video. Any suggestion ? If a car hasn’t been running for 3yrs. What would be the best thing to do?
Does AMSOIL make a similar product? I have used their anti-gel fuel additives in the winter time to keep my diesel fuel from gelling, works great. A little pricey though...
Not sure. But you can't be sure it works, unless you had it gel before and the additive fixed it by physically seeing the results. I'm not a believer they can disperse water, but the high Naptha content in most of these additives, simply boosts octane in stale fuel, and that can help. Thanks and Semper Fi!
Maybe the water/fuel ratio is too big, I think in a gas tank the ratio would be much smaller. Maybe by adding water droplets to the fuel with the additive already in it. After 2 droplets start shaking the jar and see if it does anything. I think the fuel can only resolve a tiny amount of water.
In 20 gallons, the amount of water I put in the jar would be like a drop at the bottom of the tank. I tried all different amounts. I tried a tiny few drops first and a lot of additive in this tiny amount of gas in the jar. All was the same. Water drops sunk to the bottom immediately and never dissipated. I would have showed that, but it was not easy for the camera to see the water. No matter, as the results were always the same. By the way, when I was a kid, I had a water injector that sprayed a fine mist into the carb on my 55 Chevy and it actually made it run better. It was called a water injection kit. Thanks.
@@NightFlyyer Oh, okay seems like the product doesn’t work 😂. Anyway I would like to thank you for the amount of effort you put into the making of the video’s. I have been watching your channel for over 10 years, I’m 21 now. It has been 3 years since I’ve flown for the last time, I used to fly with a neighbor who lived one street away. Since he died I’ve not found the courage to drive my car to the field where we always went to, to go flying.
I thank you for what you’ve done for the RC community.
Greetings from Belgium.
@@lailacobbaert9670 Thanks so very kindly for your long time subscription. I think you should get back on the horse, and go flying in your neighbors honor. Take care and stay well.
You also used 10
Times te recommended dose 10ml per 20 litres or 5 gallons
Interesting test. I looked on Starbrite’s/Startron’s website and it says that particular formula you used for the video helps prevent phase separation (i assume they mean before it occurs). When you added water to the gas phase separation had already occurred correct? It doesn’t say it reverses phase separation but it prevents (two different things). I think a better test would be to add Startron to the gas first then add a couple drops of water and see what happens. K100 mg is a better product for how your test was conducted. Just my opinion.
I only tested what I bought and this was the first. Maybe I'll try Startron next time. Thanks.
will overtreating hurt the motor? I should have used about 1 oz for 15 gallons, instead I read it to be 1 oz for 2.4 gallons and added about 5 oz to 15 gallons in my truck. I have not started it yet. And, figures, its a long weekend, so the corporate technical number is closed for the weekend! I essentially added 5x the amount I should have.
I do not know. Most of it is just gasoline anyway. All I know is I couldn't even get it to eliminate 3 drops of water, let alone what I showed in this video. Good luck.
No it will not hurt it!
Thanks. Nothing unusual so far..
Nice experiment. Good video.
Thanks very kindly.
Real question is, does it work like Heet and make the water combustible
Heet supposedly absorbs water, and I have tried it and can't prove that it does either. It does not make water combustible, even with the Methanol it is made from. Nothing can make water combustible, is the real answer.
Damn, the only thing that fuel additive does is disperse your money into their bank account!
Oorah, Marine; great job..!
Haha. Well said, Bud! Thanks and Semper Fi!
Yeah, I've been skeptical of their claims it uses enzymes.
I've used the product for many years as a stabilizer though and it seems like it works though. But this test is one more thing that makes me question whether the the product actually does anything useful.
Looks pretty conclusive to me.
The water is still in the gas.
Me too. Thanks much.
Have you left it for 24h ?
The jar is still sitting in my garage and the water in it still looks unchanged. That is almost 6 months. Also even with only 3 drops, I never saw it go away.
This is what I know: My motorcycle was stopping every 5 minutes and then I put startron in it and it stopped,I believe I got some bad gas .
Excellent experiment! ,👍
Thanks Don. We're always looking for that magic potion!
@@NightFlyyer When you replaced your ECM module did you have to save the security codes in it to an OBD2 tester then download them to the new ECM?
@@DKoppJr No. When I ordered it, they wanted my VIN number so they flash it with the proper software and that was all that was needed. It was plug and play and is working great. Good question.
@@NightFlyyer Awesome! I have a wrangler that may need an ECM, that makes it a whole lot easier.
@@DKoppJr Yes, it sure worked for me. Thanks Don. Wait till you see what's coming up next and I thank you for it!
The majority of water gets into the tank via condensation. i.e. the moisture in the air condenses on the cold tank. So it's a tiny amount of water that contaminates at one time. The water builds up over time. Therefore I don't think this experiment was too realistic.
It still won't get rid of 3 drops I put in the second jar now over 6 months ago. My boat gets some water in the tank from the vent line, hence the experiment.
@@NightFlyyer I think you are probably right. It may not be the best product in the word.
@@NightFlyyer the exact same reason I came looking for a solution to removing harmful water from my boat tank being we can’t buy anything now but disgusting Ethanol gas. Last October our beloved government banned Benzene gas that is drive out of my way to get. Since running ethanol I had so much water in my outboard fuel last fall it stalled my 2017 Etec and cost me $600 in repairs
@@FYMM69 So sorry to hear that. And I know it as well, and this sure ain't the stuff to do it. Good luck and be well. Thanks.
Is anyone going to get that much water in a fuel tank, car, lawn mower, or what ever? Nope. Unless the equipment didn’t have a cap this would never happen. This test is invalid because of that.
Maybe you ought to read the video description. I also tried and still have 3 drops of water in the same jar and the one with a lot of water in the other jar and showed in the video. My boat seems to get a lot it seems, hence why I bought it.
I wanted it to work, you know. And because of your comment I just went and looked and those 3 drops are still very visible at the bottom of the jar. 3 Drops!
Only the "scientist" would have that much water in his tank
The water grabs the ethanol and if you pull the gas off the top of the waster its going to be non ethanol gas
3 years later, and the water is still in this jar.
There is no mechanic in a bottle!
Agreed.
It only works on evaporated water.;)
Haha,,That's a good one. Thanks1
Snake oil sales still exist even in 2020!
Yep.
Thats how you extract ethanol form gas also
It does not work for me. 3 years later and there is the same amount of water in this jar.
In my experience, there really is no miracle cure for water. But I will say that Star Tron is a much better fuel treatment than that "red" stuff. You know, the one that that label just about tells you what it does. That is the worst crap you can use. I've rebuilt many small engine carbs with customers who used it, and the insides of these carbs are sticky like pancake syrup. And like another poster said here, the fuel to water ratio he used is not realistic to small engine water problems. Unless you have a kid on the block who has nothing better to do than walk around the neighborhood pissing in tanks.
Bottle says it will take out 0.5% of water. You added a lot more than that.
Haha. If you read the video description, you would know I did all kinds of jars and one with only 3 drops in it. I still have the jar and you can easily see the water still on the bottom after almost a year.
@@NightFlyyer HAHA! So on a video based service you make a video and never say during the video you did other experiments and expect everyone to read a fairly long paragraph. No wonder you have 69 positive and 12 negative reviews.
@@danieltustin9243 Oh well. Before I comment on a video negatively, I always read the fine print. I guess I expected too much from others.
@@NightFlyyer Try rereading my 1st comment again. I simply stated a fact that you didn't in the video or the description.
The amount of water you put in that jar was the equivalent of having about 5 gallons of water in an F150 tank (36 gallon tank). You showed info about what enzymes are and how they work, yet you clearly still don't understand it.
For the amount of water you had in that jar, it would probably NEVER be able to disperse through that amount of gasoline. Even if you did a drop of water as you say, that's still the equivalent of maybe a quart of water in a full tank of gas. That's A LOT of water in a tank.
Enzyme reactions happen on a MOLECULAR level. You're not going to see that happen magically in front of your eyes, or even over a one-hour time lapse.
Your test was simply irrelevant due to the completely unrealistic misproportions.
I've gotten way more water out of my boat tank, of 20 gallons, so I don't think my test was unreasonable, as I bought this stuff to remove that amount of water from my boat.
I work at a small engine shop. On many occasions I have seen trimmers with as much as 1/3 of the contents of the fuel tank are water. The ratio he poured is realistic for Stihl trimmers.
Watch this video to see how the Startron actually works... czcams.com/video/U13TuMRCODk/video.html
Very interesting. I also (as I say in the video description) put only 3 drops in a separate jar and that is a tiny amount to the whole jar of gasoline. Then shake shake shake. But in almost 1 year now, they are still in the jar! The car will wear out long before any of those drops will be gone, so to me, and my boat, this was a waste of money.
GIVE IT MORE TIME. LIKE A WEEK. AND YOU HAVE WAY TOO MUCH WATER, SHOULD BE 0.5%.
LOL. I put 3 drops of water in a separate jar, as I mentioned in the video notes, and this has now almost been a year and no water has disappeared. Those 3 drops can easily be still seen in the jar.
Put it in freezer and see what happens
It’s pretty well known that If you have have only a small amount of gas in your tank, then there's lots of room for air above it. If that air is warmer than the cold walls of the gas tank, it can lead to condensation, and water running down the walls of the tank into the gas.
"And that's not good because the water will freeze, and then you get ice crystals that can get into the fuel line and it will slow the flow and your car will sputter. But there would have to be a lot of water in there to do that. On our planes there is a fuel drain cock to open and drain any water out before flying. It’s usually only a tiny bit of drops but in time can get more. In our cars, the water is not usually a concern. But products like these make people paranoid so the buy them. I have this same jar after all these years and still the water can be seen at the bottom. No change. So if it was really a problem, car manufacturers would have installed test drain petcocks on all the cars.
@@NightFlyyer really? A planes don't use ethanol and car manufacturers could care less if your car fills up with water. lts not a problem till it sits for a period of time.
@@darin5250 You love to argue, don't you! Gee our Jets in the Marine Corps usedJP5, but we still got water and it had to be tested all the time, from the drain cocks below. I never said it was a problem in cars, and it never was for me, but the manufacturers, as I said in the last message, make it an issue just to sell shit like this. You have missed the entire meaning of this video.
WRONG Your fuel pump is not on bottom of tank.
The pick up is at the bottom, and the one on my 34 ford, is outside the tank. Many cars have various locations for fuel pumps, and the pickup is always on the bottom where the water gathers.
@@NightFlyyer ?? Cant be right on bottom or it would plug with sediment
ment more often. It has to be at least an inch or 2 of the bottom. Witch means a lot of water stays in the tank. NO?
@@darin5250 Of all the internal Pumps I have changed, there is always a filter at the bottom of the pickup to stop the sediment. Many old tanks have sediment bowls as well to catch any sediment. Water is always sinks to the bottom, but sediment filters wont stop that, and neither does this stuff, which is what the video was about. Here I just installed an electric fuel pump to my old Ford, which actually the pickup comes directly out of the bottom of the tank, under the seat. Getting under the truck and looking up at the tank, there is the sediment bowl, right on the bottom. In this case, the pump is on top of the engine. czcams.com/video/CO31sQtBdTU/video.html