Who Owns DS9?
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- This video looks into the lore around the station of Deep Space Nine to explore who has a say in what goes on around the station and ultimately where it lies in terms of ownership as it was built by Cardassians, taken over by Bajorans, but crewed by the Federation.
Not to mention the other powers that all want access to the Gamma Quadrant.
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So basically, the Bajoran government owns it, Starfleet are the sub-contractors operating it.
This happens in real life, too. The United States military leases bases owned by other countries, likewise. The UK, for example, has quite a number of these American leased bases, like RAF (Royal Air Force) Lakenheath - where the USAF 48th fighter wing (Liberty Wing) is operated and maintained.
No Starfleet are contractors. Someone working for Starfleet but not a member of Starfleet would be sub contractors
That's it, this is how long this video should have been... haha
Its the Diego Garcia of space.
The military base analogy makes sense as it treats DS9 more like land/real estate than property. DS9 is Bajoran territory that's under joint control of Starfleet and the Bajoran Militia, primary control being Starfleet. I don't think it has contractors as much as "tenants" like Quark and Garak.
The Grand Nagus. Just ask him.
Rom.
@@doom7ish Rom allows the Bajorans and Starfleet to use his station rent free as a favor to Leeta.
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@@youtubeviewer4472 yeah rom was the worst nagus ever
@@gottfriedwegemuller3223 To be fair, he became nagus after Zek made some major changes to the ferengi government (e.g. equal rights for women, a form of senate(?) to check the nagus' power etc). And let's not forget that he was a bar tender at Quarks and later a mechanic for DS9 for most of his life (on top of "lacking the ears"). He was not prepared for that kind of powerful position.
When Kira gave the computer the order to run the Sisko 1program and she said if the Cardassians want their station back they can have it, I thought "Just like they left it."
It's like Sisko knew what was going to happen and have Kira the keys to the plan.
Keep in mind before Sisko was in command, he was an Engineer, an excellent pick for someone who taking over a trashed space station
@@lukasperuzovic1429 Finding out Sisko actually designed ships really took me by surprise. Seems born to be out commanding one.
Kira is one of the most badass characters. Such a great addition to the show
@@MandoMTL Who would be better suited at designing ships to fight the borg than a man who actually fought (and survived) them?
@@JCDFlex Oh absolutely. That he was head of the project at Daystrom though is a feat you expect out of a dedicated engineer. Sisko, for all his arguable faults, is a hell of a rounded man.
I loved that dialog where Kira "protested" Sisko's refusal to turn station control to the Bajoran Provisional Government. Then quickly and without hesitation, took her station to prepare for combat.
Just had to put it on record. She can't risk being accused of insubordination and sedition with the Cardassians taking over.
She did her duty as a Bajoran officer, but she thought it was still a bad move, and I like to think most of the Bajoran militia still there did the same thing, supported the people they’ve worked and lived with for years.
Actually I always thought Cisco had a hand with earning the Bajoran trust.
Cisco could have told the Bajorans to refuse joining the Dominion but told them to sign
As a star fleet officer cisco should have told Bajor to refuse it.
@@jonreese7066 *Sisko
I'm pretty sure O'Brien had to go and "mark" some corners, so according to dog law, Miles owns it.
Dog law! I love it!
That's dirty! 🙀
But it was his whiskey fueled barfs and not urine
That might be part of why he is the important person in starfleet history.
"MARKING STARFLEET TERRITORY, SIR"
Bajor owns it, Starfleet has a lease.
Keep in mind that the Federation is a federation. Member worlds have their own governments, customs, powers, and properties. Doubtlessly, several member worlds have their own space stations as well. So there's no reason that Bajor would stop owning DS9. Though, Starfleet might build its own space station around Bajor if the Bajorans ever decide they want DS9 to serve solely as a trade hub, and that space station would not belong to Bajor.
I shall never forget again that the Federation is a Federation
@@zukato4119 Don't make promises you might not keep. It's really easy to forget that the Federation is a federation. It's not like they put it in the name or anything.
Well the Bajorans have nominal control of their space so that would interfere in the building of a star fleet station there, it would presumably still need the agreement of the Bajorans.
Sisko owned it again and again
Nah Chief O'Brien co-owns it.
@@wolfeusmc2011 That's what she said.
Also by building this station over Bajor they added a star to the night sky. Watching the people on the planet. A symbol of galactic might and oppression .
That is true. And I think if you had a small personal telescope you could of seen it.(when in orbit of bajor
@@spacetechempire510 I often think about how the “escape pods” were only good enough to safely land you on Bajor, somewhat like the reentry vehicles from the ISS; or so says the DS9 technical manual. Can you just imagine dozens of pods suddenly shooting out of that “star” in the night sky and all landing in you and your neighbours’ fields? Each carrying a dozen or so Cardassian soldiers. Everyone packing away their illegal card games and stuff probably.
I loved watching this place grow from a floating wreck with a distasteful interior to an icon and a home. The hope of the Alpha Quadrant.
Federation politics makes much more sense when you think of it less than say the United States of America, but more of something like a combination of the EU and NATO. Which also helps explain the distinction between it being owned by Starfleet versus being owned by Bajor after Bajor joins the Federation.
Unless you thought of it as the US in the 1780’s under the articles of confederation. Much weaker central government.
A combo of the EU and NATO would be more along the lines of the Cardassian government where you can be arrested and imprisoned for speech the government doesn't approve of wants to keep the public dedicated to and dependent on the Government. Bajor just experienced a "Great Reset" and wasn't enslaved. 🙄
@@ShojoBakunyu I meant in the real world, not in whatever fantasy conspiracy theory you're living in
I wish they would make a tv series on the politics, when it was leaked that Patrick Stewart was coming back for Star Trek Picard before we new what it was or called, I was hoping it be him as President of earth or the President of the federation something like that and do a series around that concept
3:15 "For an unknown reason."
The Cardassian withdrawal from Bajor coincided with their buildup for an attempted invasion of Minos Korva.
Could have used the bajorans as humanoid shields
Nice one,hadn't thought of that. My view of Cardassian politics though is that by the time we see them there was very little strategy going on just greedy gulls and obisidian order agents each trying tp ramrod through their own pet projects.I alwasy though the Dreadnought missile summed up perfectly how Cardassia works.
I think it might of been a joke.
There was also the treaty, which Capt. Ben Maxwell believed the Cardassians were violating (he was proven right, even if he got some of the details wrong. The Federation and Starfleet were more interested in maintaining the peace at all costs than they were in exposing the Cardassians, given the massive loss of ships at Wolf 359). Cardassian withdrawal from Bajor might have been one of the treaty agreements, given it happened between "Ensign Ro" and "Chain of Command, Pts 1& 2." It takes a while to de-occupy an entire planet of a military presence. Likely some of those forces were directed to the invasion force at Minos Korva, but the Cardassians wouldn't have just given up the complete occupation of a planet. No, I suspect the treaty had a lot to do with it, though the Cardassians might have only agreed so that the movement of troops off-world (to be secretly sent to the invasion fleet) wouldn't raise Starfleet's suspicions.
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!!!!
Sorry guys, had to.
Morn owns DS9 lol.
That guy never shut up about it hey? 🤣
Psh you know Morn....can't stand that guy he can't keep any of my secrets.
"When Morn leaves, it's all over." - Quark (Unofficial) Rule of Acquisition #286
haha Morn! much
I mean with all that latinum in that second stomach, I'll believe this statement.
Well, obviously, Deep Space Nine belongs to ViacomCBS. I don't see why you needed to make a video about this :p
Haha
Someone beam Chuckles into the wormhole. 😀 (That's meant as a good natured jab, not a snarky remark. 🙂 )
😂😂😂😂
I came here to say this, but in my knew that it had already been said.
Hah!
Bajor owns it, the federation lease it in exchange for protection etc but must follow bajor law.
That’s of course before bajor joined the federation post DS9/VOY
They still own it.
@@caladanrude6395 once they join it'll still be a Bajoran station, but it's gotta follow Federation rules.
@@davidjones3165 Honestly I don't know how that's even possible considering from an engineering standpoint, i CANNOT be made to work with federation tech for the most part. They make that clear in several episodes.
My understanding was that no one kept up on the payments and that it was repossessed by the bank.
But the bank in question was chartered on Cardasia and had venue problems.
@@frankharr9466 Chartered on Cardassia, but owned by a Ferengi holding company. ; )
@@taylorlibby7642
Doesn't matter. you can't pearce the vale. It has no legal existince in the Bajoran legal sphere and thus can only sue on Cardassia. The Cardassians, who encurred the debt, won't pay because they gave the station away. The Bajorans won't pay because the bank has no standing in a Bajoran court. They're SOL.
@@frankharr9466 You're probably right about the legalities, but with their aptitude for shenanigans and skullduggery I wouldn't count the Ferengi out.
@@taylorlibby7642
Well, in the fictional reality, I can't see a Bajoran court throwing a case brought be a Cardassain bank out because it doesn't exist in Bajoran law, because that would be a bad president regarding other foreign corporation in the Bajoran sphere and Bajoran corporation in other juisdictions. And so, the matter would be addressed in one of the various treaties between Bajor and Cardassian Union/Dominion.
But wouldn't it be wonderful if a Bajoran court threw a Cardassian suit out because Bajor does not recognize Cardassian corporations. And anyway, Bajoran labor qualifies as payment in kind (or whatever the term is) so they have to go someplace else for their latnum?
:)
Essentially, the Bajorans are the owners, but the Federation are the managers.
Federation are tenants. Bajor is the Landlord.
In the finale didn’t bajor join the federation? Pretty sure it became a starfleet space station.
@@tammymartinez7488 Not in the series finale, but in the canon pocket novel book "Unity". (Takes place in 2376, the year after the last season of DS9)
kai winn: i would like to speak with your manager!
@@tammymartinez7488 No, but in pretty much all sources set after this, and which mention Bajor's future, they're a part of the Federation.
I have so much nostalgia for 80/90s trek that I'd love to see a sequel series based on it, but the thought of having to suffer through another "Picard" gives me serious pause. I love DS9 but the possibility of it being resurrected as a cursing, vaping, len's flare wielding zombie of itself chills me to the core.
I hated Picard
@@kaktuskopf3214 same but we can all agree it’s infinity times better than discovery
@@willyorgy4677 do you remember the first 3 seasons DS9 they would have episodes where just 2 of the main characters were relevant. In the beginning of the series there were few episodes where all the characters would be important....I am experiencing the same thing with discovery where every episode has this focus on just one person
2. Picard didn't even feel like a series. It felt like a stretched movie
Hopefully after the Secret Hideout Contract expires in 2023 then Paramount will have control over Star Trek on TV and film again due to the merger. Don’t give up hope just yet. Personally, I place Discovery, Picard and Lower Decks in an alternate timeline.
@@plugsocket9432 I just pretend it is one of Q's little sick jokes.
Kira initially was one of those who was not fond of the idea of asking the Federation (or any outsider for help) but after she laid claim to the wormhole for Bajor, she realized keeping that claim would necessitate strong backing.
Kira didn't like having to ask Sisco to leave, she agreed with him, but as the Bajorin rep on the station, it was her duty to issue the political request. That was a great scene.
*Sisko.
Why does everyone always mis-spell his name with a c instead of a k...
@@ValiantWrestling Sisco looks better
@@rueisblue it looks horrific and one way or another it's wrong
I think the Cardassians and Bajorans are both kinda right about the end of the war. Cardassia stopped the occupation because it wasnt viable anymore, because the Resistance did so much damage. It wasnt a complete military victory for Bajor but they achieved their goal, so they won. And Cardassia made political/economical decission to cut their losses
Well, the Bajorans do but Starfleet and the UFP operate it, provide security, etc.
I'm just confused by those spikes that ships dock on. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to arc outwards to make it easier for ships to dock to them?
First thing I thought when I saw the title: "The Bajorans own it; they got it in a settlement with the Cardassians. But the Federation administrates it."
Love your videos. They give so much back story and fill in blanks or pieces we may have missed. Looking forward to more.
Great job.
Loving the way you use shots and referencing from Star Trek online in your videos 👍👍
Actually when it gets destroyed in the books, its replacement is a very different design.
Are there images floating around out there?
@@MandoMTL yes! A google for "Deep Space Nine II Memory Beta" will get you to an article with an image. It actually looks kinda similar at first glance, but there's a closed ring on every axis rather than merely three docking arms above and below the central ring.
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated Thank you!
Frontier Class Starbase
DS9 is the best Star Trek in my opinion.
I, and many others, are in full and passionate agreement.
By a VERY large margin too. Such great sweeping invested story arcs, and massive character development. Goes to show what you can do with a franchise when you aren't shackled by the episodic nature of always traveling and encountering new shiny things, forced to leave things behind all the time. I remember when it first started airing (hush, no jokes about my age plzkthx) I thought "a station? That's not Star Trek!" (as did many others), but I quickly changed my tune about halfway through season 2. DS9 had it's hooks in me and I fell in love with it. Still remains my fave even today
@@gozzywozzy485 Omg! I was the same way! I had watched TOS - TAS - TNG and when I looked at DS9, I was like, "You can't do it on a station! That's not Star Trek!" I looked at the cast and also thought, this is going to be trash. And that I probably wouldn't even finish season 1. And move straight on to VOY. Well.. I don't know when it happened, but DS9 just gripped me by the cajonas and became the best best show in the series. I've now since seen all of the newer ones and DS9 is still my favorite by far. XD
It's the show I use to introduce people to Star Trek and the merit of sci-fi in general. Specifically with season 1 episode 18: "Duet"
I personally agree, though anyone who gives the nod to TNG instead, I'll let them have it.
From TNG: "The Battle", Xendi Starbase 9 is another example of a UFP member world owning a starbase.
8:11 this Klingon guy with harmonica just made my day
Thank you for this little gem of a topic it was very entertaining and evenly so informative because since my last watch of DS9 has been quite some time.
Stay save and sane.
That filled in some gaps I had, thanks!
That was stated in the pilot episode, the Bajorans own the station and lease it to Starfleet
Very nicely done Rick!
I thought the design of the station was exquisite. I love the high arches and oval windows. The dark brown of the Interior give it a very stately look. It had a sense of permanence to it, and I think it will age well. Unlike the sterile, super glitzy and almost instantly dated look of modern Starfleet vessels.
Modern? Starfleet vessels from any era just look so dumb.
@@TheSuperRatt You didn't like the retro 1960's look of the 2260's? or the retro late 1980s convention centre look of the 2360's? Surely the retro 1990's stainless steel look of the 2370's met your fancy? But yeah they did go a bit far when Federation Interior Designers went through their "James Cameron's Avatar" homage during the 2380's and 90's but they've gone through these phases before at least the Prime timeline didn't have a Retro 2010's Apple Store phase.
I’m also glad you used the word “salvation”. That’s exactly the word I was going for, just before you said it :p
I really like the design of nor class stations, it's a trinity of function, style and cost effectiveness
According to Sisko, it was built with Bajoran slave labor. I suppose that is as "cost effective" as you can get.
@@oneangrygeek4575 gul dukat was right though - the cardassian occupation made their people much stronger than before - and the caste system was extreamly inhumane and injustice
@@alternative915 whats ur point? i dont get it
@@Gardstyle35 Well nothing, found a forum related to it, i find it funny because it was out of context
I hope we see the station at some point in discovery
Doesn't Discovery take place over a century before DS9?
@@Thatslifebro_ how much of discovery have you seen?
I'd like to see DS9 again. However, I can't see Discovery (whatever its producers say) reconciling itself with the 'normal prime timeline
@@thegreenmanofnorwich hmmm true
Actually the Discovery crew are hundreds of years in the future now, so... It might be possible for them to find deep space nine but it's the very likely the federation no longer has control over it. supposedly we're getting to sequel series one to deep space nine and one to Voyager... Not sure I'm looking forward to any of that. I kind of feel like they should just make new shows and leave the old shows in the past.
DS9 is of Bajor.
This could have been your shortest video ever.
"Who owns DS9?"
"Bajor, thanks for watching"
Banger of an episode, Rick.
I mean the show expresses the chain of command pretty clearly. The federation occupies DS 9 as a base of operations as they help facilitate the bajoran’s transition out of persecution into a federation race. It’s literally the premise of the show
Very cool episode CI
Just in time for my rewatch of DS9
I’m doing that as well
I always found the oddly beautiful but alien design of DS9 to be rather alluring. I'd always thought it was a purely Cardassian station but the fact it was designed by a Bajoran explains why the style of the station doesn't match well with the ships and other architecture we see from Cardassian Union. Maybe one can even consider it a sort of subtle rebellion on the part of the architect. Tell the Cardassians that this place was not really theirs by making the design alien to them as much as the Cardassians were to the Bajorans.
Technically the Bajoran's do.
@ "Temple of the Profits"? You mean Quark's?
@@discopete78 no Quark's is the "Temple of Profit" not the "Temple if THE Profits" its an easy mistake to make.
@@discopete78 Yep, Quarks right across from the Starbucks
After all these years I finally asked myself this question 👽. Thanks for the video
A nice recap of S01E01 of DS9
Terok Nor was abandoned Bajor salvaged it.
All that aside, I have to ask: Did Ric get a new video card or capture set-up? Brother your STO footage on the last few projets are CRISP! Bangin' like [chef's kiss] Buttah!
simply the coolest space station ever.
could you do a video on quark i always wanted to know his backstory and how he ended up on terok nor
By my understanding, a Federation consists of many independent governments that all contribute to and benefit from a shared, higher, government. Since DS9 belonged to the Bajoran government before then it would still (since the Bajoran government still exists, it just has a supervisor now). If the Federation wanted to transfer control of it to the central government they might have a stronger argument than before, though.
I am surprised that you left out the part where Barial and Wynn we're in negotiations with the Kardashians, who were trying to make a section that says that each of them would return each other's property to the other info and included in the Kardashians claim was the station
Kardashians? Do their ships all have big asses?
Well, Terok Nor was built by the Cardassians during the occupation. And when Bajor regained independence, the station fell into their ownership. It is now provided to the Federation as a base for the protective power as there is no embassy on the planet yet, but of course is still owned by the Bajorans. Sisko is the commander of the station but Kiera is second in command.
It is easier to understand if you keep in mind that the principle of the show is taken from Babylon 5. There, the station was built in neutral space for negotiotions between the ambassadors of the different species that fought terrible wars in the years prior to the show to negotiate a permanent peace treaty. As soon as the Intersteller Alliance was founded, Earth and Minbar established embassies on each others planets and the space station no longer served that purpose and was eventually decommissioned.
By a quirk of Bajoran law, Terok Nor is owned by Quark. Imagine that for a minute, it’d make quite a storyline.
Didn’t Sisko request Kira, or at least a Bajoran national, as his first officer, rather than she being assigned there by the Bajoran government as the XO? Had Sisko decided he wanted an entirely Starfleet command staff, I doubt there would have been much the Bajorans could have done about it.
Great job- thank you
I thought the Cardassians gave up DS9 in the treaty after the war with the Federation?
The one that ended just before "The Wounded" episode of TNG,
the one where the captain went rouge and started destroying Cardassian ships
IDK if it was alpha cannon, but it seemed to fit well
They did, literally everything the bajorans claim to have done is a lie cuz the federation freed bajor and fought off cardassia and won. If the federation hadn't intervened then bajor would have been under cardassian rule forever. Bajorans aren't even the original people on the planet itself and just pretend to have a rich cultural history, and instead they stole their identity from the original ancient people.
1:34 You'd think it would be a heck of a lot cheaper to refine the >95% rock on-planet instead of hauling it out of the gravity well, and then having to Do Something with all the left-over rock.
11:19 - I’d have to dispute the technical notion of Bajor “remaining neutral”, from this point in the Dominion War. We can see symbolically, that very shortly after Operation Return the Bajoran government seemed to consider that its place in the war was directly alongside the Federation and Klingon Empire. Tangentially, this claim can be further supported by the simple fact that this alliance would consider the entire Bajor sector to be strategically important. Not only did acquiescence to the Cardassians in the previous months cause social strife, and even the suicide of a protesting Bajoran vedek, but also the Bajoran Republic would simply view the protection of Starfleet and the KDF as more convenient, at least for the time being. I expect it was likely a gradual negotiation of military settlement taken over time, and it’s very possible that the UFP particularly went with its best route, of offering aid to Bajor in exchange for allowing an extended military presence of Starfleet, KDF, and eventually Romulan forces. By some point after “In the Pale Moonlight”, I expect Bajor did hold its own clear diplomatic position relative to which members of the alliance could settle what strategic assets, in Bajoran space. This is then made particularly explicit to the audience in the opener of season 7, when Colonel Kira leads a unilateral protest of the Bajoran militia, against the placement of plasma torpedoes by the Romulans on another planet in the Bajor system (or was it a moon? Can’t remember, atm). It’s clear that the Bajorans are willing to be an integral part of the grand defensive pact by this point - just as long as each of their allies remains honest.
great video
From an Irish perspective, DS9 reminds me of what we did with the postboxes here: they used to be red and we painted them green, and thus became ours.
Also, we renamed most of the streets.
Not in Northern Ireland (UK).
That's because Northern Ireland is what remains of the Kingdom of Ireland, while the Republic of Ireland is what broke away from it.
Two separate states.
I call dibs on Empok Nor.
I did not know some of that. For one thing, I'd assumed that the mining was mostly asteroid. That was silly. I have some headcannon, but really only thing that makes a difference is that the levels below the Prominade [???] is small workshops, merchant storage and office-space. Even a guy named Michael Bolton.
Hey, what if the name DS9 isn't a Federation designation, but a Bajoran one? As it was in orbit around Bajor when named, that would make little sense, but because it's a Bajoran station, shouldn't they be the ones naming it? Just a thought.
Fascinating!
This reminds me of some similar situations in times of the Roman Empire. Remote segments of the Empire had Roman soldiers installed who might either fight on behalf of the Romans for Roman causes or fight on behalf of the local Nation's causes. They could end up fighting for or against allies or enemies of the local Nation, or for or against allies of Rome. Of course Rome had a different motive in this than the Federation. Rome was was somewhat tolerant of whatever conflicts were going on as long as the Nation continue to pay its taxes to Rome.
This is how I imagined it went...
Bajor : We own it. Its in our space.
Cardassia : We own it. It cost the empire *** this much.
Starfleet to Cardassia : The cost of the station, take away 50 years of unpaid labor. That leaves 49 years of unpaid labor outstanding. For further discussion please contact etcetera.
That stain glass window is the image of Prince /General Si Qwan of the The (former) Tholian Empire.
Corection to the year 2369 was it over Bajor :)
Bajor. There, I answered it for you.
It was made crystal clear that the Cardassian way of doing things could no longer be maintained. Basically, their whole society was collapsing and they knew it. As stated the situation on the homeworld was dire. It was no longer a well-kept secret. They began rapid redeployments and downsizing, bringing their forces closer to home in a last ditch effort to avert the inevitable. What followed was years of political instability, military coups and civilian uprisings.
I'm not sure who the legitimate owner is, but I'm sure Quark has "sold" the station more than once.
Whoever has the biggest gun owns it. Sure there is a bunch of diplomatic talk and treaties and stuff but in the end it always boiled down to who was packing the most heat.
It was less than clear, but The Sisko specifically requested a Bajoran 1st officer in no small part to make it clear that it was a Bajoran station being administered by Starfleet, and Starfleet was still subject to the Bejoran government in that administration.
This is really not a difficult question for any Star Trek fan. The cardassians built the station but abandoned it when they pulled out of bajor. The Bajorans took ownership of their space once cardassia pulled out and invited the federation in to oversee the transition period and to offer protection and implement the withdrawal agreement. Therefor the bajorans own the station but it is run and maintained by the federation.
Speaking from my memory without watching the video yet, I believe it is owned by Bejor now, but administered by the Federation
Deep Space Nine, once a seat of power for aggressors became a symbol of hope in a destructive war.
The Bajoran Republic owns Deep Space Nine ever since they came into possession of it at the end of the Cardassian occupation of Bajor. It is a Federation administrated space station at the Bajoran Republic's request but the Federation does not own it and the Bejoran's could withdraw their invitation to have the Federation administrate it at any time. They never did this because Sisko's status as the Emissary of the Prophets would make any such move by the Bajoran politicians very unpopular with their constituents.
There was a brief period during the Dominion War in which the Dominion seized control of the station but it was retaken and ever since then it continues to be owned by the Bajoran Republic.
When the station was destroyed, and very likely the Federation dragging the decommissioned and abandoned Empok Nor over to the wormhole to replace it, who technically would own that one?
Status quo obviously, but it is a factor to consider.
Were the Bajorans really occupied to die at first? Or only after strong resistance, were they treated as such?
DS9 was built by Bajorans in orbit of Bajor, and signed over to the Third Republic of Bajor after the Cardassians left, once Bajor joined the Federation in 2384 its part of the Federation but still technically administered as part of the Bajoran regional government.
I want Season 8!
Diffenetly
What we left behind was the closest we got to a Season 8.
@@plugsocket9432 Unless they get a blu ray release there's no chance, easiest way to gauge it.
The Bajorans do. That's part of their agreement with Starfleet, and it's within their territorial limits, anyway. It's _administered_ by Starfleet at the request of the Bajoran Provisional Government, but it's a Bajoran station. The only reason there's such a strong Starfleet and Klingon Defense Force (as ironically named as _that_ is...) presence aboard is because of the Dominion War. Honestly, I doubt that Starfleet or the UFP wouldn't honor that original agreement.
One thing I never understood in retrospect. The station was only administered by the Federation, but owned by Bajor. Like in the conflict with The Circle, and brought up in other parts of dialogue, Bajor could request the Federation leave and return the station at any time. So when the Dominion took it, and protected by the non aggression pact, couldn't Bajor have simply requested the Dominion leave the station? Even leveraged Odo to demand it as a Bajoran Law Enforcement Officer and "Founder' in Weyoun's eyes. Any attempt by them or the Cardassian's to occupy it beyond that would be a sign of aggression and violate the treaty. Bajor could have then insured it would not be used as a base or resource to remove the mines.
I would have loved to have hung out at Quarks.
Just watch your latinum.
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Your video makes it seem as though the provisional government appointed Kira out od their own accord. But didn't Sisko state in Episode 1 that he requested a bajoran XO?
Cardassian created Terok Nor, AKA DS-9. Starfleet runs the station, but DS-9 is owned by Bajor. I never understood why the Cardassians never destroyed the station when they left Bajor. Boy did that decision come back to haunt them.
Putting ore operations in orbit around a planet makes no sense. Okay, they have cheap transporter tech so the energy necessary to lift the ore out of the gravity well has little cost, but you still have the leftover tailings taking up space in the station. Unless there are other valuable minerals that could be sold or that the gravel itself was set for export, the best use would probably be to send it back to Bejor as backfill or something.
Hi, I am the owner of DS9, along with the Brooklyn bridge Eiffel tower and the moon and have all receipts from the really nice man on Craigslist named Roddy.
Never understood why Bajor, a neutral party with a non-aggression pact, had to hand over command to the Dominion/Cardassians.
DS9:
Cardasdians:. It's free real estate.
A question, that could have been avoided, if you just left the management of the station to your friendly neighbors from the Dominion.
Belongs to the bajorans I thought.... after they took it from the Cardasains
1m in. I say Bajor Owns it. Cardassia Built it to oppress Bajoria (TNG first mention of it). But Bajor drove them out. Starfleet came in to assist because the provisional gov wanted the help. Bajor is in Charge, and therefore Owns it. As of DS9 Finale. Going forward...no idea.
DS9: Built by the Cardassians, owned by the Bajorans, leased to Starfleet and the UFP.
You need to do Farscape. Explain the peacekeepers are they good are they bad
After Cardassia left , the Station became BAJORAN Property . Spoils of war , if you will . It remains so .
Starfleet are " Preferred Tenants " . Even though the Show did Not show it often , Kira Nerys was the actual Boss .
Ultimate , Right of Veto , if she were to believe necessary .
9:54 - I loved that scene, too.
Did Bajor help Cardassia after the Dominion War, like the UK helped Germany after WW2?
I'd imagine that the events described in Discovery season 3 would also affect the station and it's importance in galactic affairs.
I believe that with the Federation (and everyone else for that matter) out of the picture the Bajorans would become increasingly zealous in their guardianship of their "celestial temple". If / when the ability to go to warp comes back, I don't think they'd tolerate foreign travel through the wormhole again.
Additionally. The events seen in the mirror universe episodes in DS9 would put the station in a position of prime importance in any new Terran nation, as the start point of their liberation. Though I suspect the Terrans wouldn't be interested in exploring through the wormhole for some time, as much because they'd have learned what is on the other side from the Prime universe as because they'd be too busy with their own reconstruction and self-defence.
It would be interesting, I think, to learn whether "the burn" happened in the mirror universe too.
I don’t remember the end of the DS9 series. Did the Federation completely abandon Deep Space Nine and leave it completely to the Bajorans? If not, why would that mean the Federation would abandon it and Bajor after The Burn? If it was anything like that one solitary guy at the start of Discovery Season 3, then there would certainly be a Federation presence that remained and was just concerned with its limited sensor range of however many sectors. Of course that’s assuming that nothing like The Emerald Chain rose up and wiped out The Federation presence, but I don’t see them just abandoning their position
Discovery isn't Star Trek.
@@plugsocket9432 Sorry, I must have been confused due to the large STAR TREK title screen. You’re welcome to disagree, but really your comment wasn’t asked for nor helpful in this discussion. Thanks anyway.