Budget Tire Battle! Shinko E804 E805 vs Kenda K784 Big Blocks
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- These two budget tires, the Shinko E804 E805 and Kenda K784 Big Blocks are to very popular go-to tires. Shop these tires here: www.rockymountainatvmc.com/ti...
Following the A41 vs. RallZ Comparison Video 4 Top Rated Adventure Motorcycle Tires Bridgestone AX41 Motoz Rally & Adventure Shinko 804 / 805 • 4 Top Rated Adventure ... I have been asked by many to do a similar video for the two least expensive popular Adventure tires, the Shinko E804 / E805 and the Kenda K784 Big Block Dual Sport tires. Well here it is... complete with ride footage which contains real time feedback motovlog style. Check out the tires in question here:
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Super excellent video! Outstanding. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Thank your for your service! this is by far the most comprehensive channel to get info on tires!
Glad to help and thanks for watching! What would you like to see more of?
Best comparison of these two tires I have seen. Love the Shinko's!
Thank you for watching Mike. Much appreciated.
Mike Mills thanks for watching!
What can I say, the best opinions on ytb on everything that you test.
By far!👏👏👏
Thanks for watching!!!!
I didn't know anything about these tires, I have a Vstrom 650 and this is exactly what I was looking for! great review... I am goinng for the Kenda.
Greetings from Mexico city!
Awesome!
awesome review thank you
My pleasure!
thanks! I just ordered a Big Block to try on my scrambler!
Awesome!
I've viewed several of your videos. Your review of the Shinko 705 helped me decide to mount a pair on my '22 KTM 1290 SAS. So far they are very good on the rocky roads I ride here in the Arkansas Ozarks...not bad for a 'affordable' 70/30 (or 80/20) tire. I do like that you test these on larger ADV motorcycles. I get tired of the forum comments from people saying these large ADV motorcycles are not capable offroad.
Heck yeah! These bikes will go anywhere you point them with enough momentum.
Great review. This def helped.
Awesome! Which way are you leaning?
@@manybikes Shinko prob
Thank you!
Have loved the 805s for my Tiger 955 and on road are awesome tire all rounder. And we're ideal but may try the Kenda for more off road winter tyre. Thanks.
Yes, the Kenda did work well for me in the mud and the snow. I totally recommend airing way down... so you get more rubber on the ground for more traction! Have you seen my Kenda snow video? If not, check this one out: czcams.com/video/72a0I6BRuyQ/video.html Thanks for watching! - Kyle
Great review. Shinko 804/805 FTW! :) Tried them on a Scrambler 900, Triumph 800, Africa Twin, just brilliant. As mentionned the ONLy place they could be improved a bit is in the lateral grip in the very loose of muddy situations. Otherwise, as well or better than other tires that are twice as expensive.
Totally agreed. The lateral grip is lacking for sure! You have used the heck out of the Shinko tires. I do have to agree that they are the best tire for the money - hands down! ;)
Would have been nice if they had staggered the outer blocks just a bit.
@@manybikes Do you still agree that the 804/805 is the best tire for the money? Looking at a all around set for my 1290. How are they in the rain at highway speeds?
I have had the Shinto’s on 3 different big bikes. It feels identical to TKC80 , but cheaper… however, I still use the TKC80 Front & Shink in hear, this way I’m good in changing hear tires every 3 K ! 👍
They are very similar… but I have found the Shinko to be way more round and the TKC80 profile to be flatter in the 150/70-18. Way more rubber on the ground for the TKC than the Shinko.
I wasnt sure if this guy was gonna talk about tires or fit me for a suit 😁
borderm3 Ha! Ha! Ha!
I have run Shinko 804/805 on my dual sport with great results. Great handling and grip when tires are fairly new. However, once the groove is gone on the center block of the rear tire there is a lot of side to side movement from the tire and lack of traction on wet surfaces. Once the groove is gone on the center block the tire is more like a paddle tire which results in a lot of side movement.
Yes! I have experienced the same as they have worn down.
804/5 transformed my offroad riding on my R1200GS. Considerably more grip and subsequently more confidence off road than the 705s and K60s I had previously used, and still deliver a decent amount of grip on paved roads. They do wear out quickly though (or I need to re-calibrate my throttle wrist)...rear about 50% worn and squared off after just over 1000 miles (2 rides). Since I have two sets of wheels, will likely stick with 705s for predominantly pavement rides (a buddy is now using a set Kenda Pavers and likes them a little better than the 705s for pavement so I might try a set as well), and use the 804/5 for rides that will be more off-road oriented.
That is a great plan! Two sets of wheels really saves on tires, that is for sure! Thank you for your detailed feedback and for watching! - Kyle
You've got the best tire reviews on YT man - thanks a lot for doing these. Honest & well articulated. I'm looking for a good tire to slap on a crf250l for a trip down to panama in Dec. Honestly I'll probably be doing 60% on / 40% off road but I'd like to be prepared w/ some aggressive tread for sandy/muddy situations.
First I was sold on the Mitas E-07 after Bret from Mototrek said they were the best adventure tires he's ever used. Then I was sold on the Shinko 804/805. Now those Motoz Adventures are looking pretty good though - the only reservations about them are that they sound a little more sketchy on pavement (though I don't ride that fast/aggressive on the twisties) & the hard sidewalls make me worry about having to change a flat myself, in the middle of nowhere. They also seem like they may be meant for the bigger adventure bikes..
I was just wondering what you would go with in my position? Thanks
Great questions!!! Man... On a 250L I would typically run a Motoz Desert HT tire as I can get about 4k miles out of it... it is cheap and it works Great. Here is my review of that tire: czcams.com/video/et4p6i6IDGk/video.html But... for your long trip a true Adventure Style tire will be your best bet for longevity. The Motoz Adventure tire is available in a size that will work on your 250L... I have punished that tire and have pushed it extremely hard on pavement and have not had it step out on me ... It works well. I do like the ADV tire better than the 804/805 combo because I have found them to wear longer but that is mostly due to the super deep tread on the Motoz. No worries about the stiff sidewalls in the middle of nowhere... they get softer as you ride a bit. I would probably do the Motoz Adventure in the rear and in the front... I might go with a lighter tire... 804, or Desert HT. Lots of options. Thanks for listening. - Kyle
Nice one Kyle. A good mix of what they are like on & off road, which is what these tires are fitted to bikes for.
Mindful of the logistics, a longer term report of traction consistency as they wear & longevity would make this review complete.
Thank you for watching Peter. Yes the Long Term review will be posted once I get these sets worn down... I will be documenting what they look like every 1 k miles until they are worn out. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@manybikes And congratulations on giving tread depths and in particular, using a Shore Durometer to show 'rubber' hardness. Other plus's for your reviews. Other factors that puts the difference between tires into perspective.
I realize this is over two years old, but an update from me:
I went through two 805s, and they served me well. Earlier this year I switched to an AX41 on the rear (same 804 in front for over two years now), and OMG is it a better tire! It hooks up better in nearly all conditions, particularly good in rutty stuff. Though the 805 was probably a little better in sand when new, the AX41 did pretty good at 50% tread on a nine mile long sand wash a few weeks ago. About the same milage, 1200-1500 miles (I would love to know how that guy managed a 8000 mile trip on the Shinkos ). The front 804 has held up well, probably 30% tread left after 3500-4000 miles, with some minor cupping/feathering, but will be replaced with AX41. As for street tires, my alloys have been shod with Anekee 3s for the last 7000 miles (almost to the wear bars) and they have been outstanding! Used them on my MOA rally ride to Montana, about 4700 miles that included a couple thunderstorms (very good performance in heavy rain), and some excursions on hard pack and gravel (not bad for a mainly street tire). Will mount a fresh set for my 2022 touring season.
Great real world feedback! I too LOVE LOVE the AX41's and had them on all 3 of my ADV bikes at one point... and then they all WORE OUT at like 1200 miles (1600 on the 390)... Horrible mileage but they WORKED so good! Thanks for your comments, much appreciated! I see you just posted your first video after 5 years, congrats! Hope to see more.. just subscribed.
@@manybikes Meant to add that I bought the AX41s based on your reviews and comparisons. The best tire info on CZcams Kyle! Thanks! I cant imagine doing a long trip on the 'Stones...they'd have been nearly worn out by the time I reached dirt on my Montana trip =D As for videos....dont bother with the subscription, this latest one was a test and I'm not likely to post any more often. But I appreciate it!
Well thank you for your support. Yeah... the B'stones would have left me stranded if I would have left them on! No thank you ;) But I still love them anyway ;)
I just purchased the Shinko 804 100/90-19 and noticed that it is a tube tire. Now I’m wondering if it will have issues when installed on my 2020 KTM 390 Adventure’s front rims?
THX!
Click Stringer Yes Sir!
Thank you verry much for answering so fast! And between Anakee Adventure, 705, Rally STR and Karoo Street? Thank's again!
hdjnfirnfn hdhdjjdkdk I would lean towards the Anakee Adventure. It was the best all around tire. #2 would be the 705 and the Karoo Street & STR were amazing road tires but I didn’t like them off road much at all.
Dear Kyle, thank you! I'm a subscriber for life, now!🤗 It's verry hard to chose without trying... From the review of the Anakee Adventure I would not have thought you will chose them because you fell seriously than. Thank you again!
@@hdjnfirnfnhdhdjjdkdk9349 Yes, I did go down pretty hard on the Anakee Adventure Tires. But that was on the BMW. With the Adventure tire on the Africa Twin, I had very different results over a very broad spectrum of terrains. Thanks for your sub! - Kyle
Hey Kyle, long trip planned, LA, AZ, chihuahua to Oaxaca and back… On a 1250 GSA…mostly road w occasional off road, TKC 70 Ricks back w Shinzo 805 big block front?
TKC 70 rocks rear, Dunlop Trailmax Mission front?
Or go with the long lasting Dunlop Trailmax Mission (reducing risk of punctures)..?
Thank you in advance and for all the videos!
Maurice
I am a big fan of the TKC70 Rocks Rear and TrailMax Mission front. The rear Rocks on the big bike does wear out pretty quickly. On a trip like that... I'd probably rock the Mission set of tires.
Thank s a lot for all this info, you help me a lot.... my r1200gs lc run whit karoo 3 and a like a lot.. but soon I m gonna buy and other set off wheels... and I want put some more off road tire on my second set of wheels... whit this review, I think I m gonna put the Shinko E 804 and 805... where a live ( Québec Canada) I need to do asphalt road to going where the trail are... so if I m anderstand well for asphalt the shinko are more predictable tire than the kenda... and for trail there are very good bolt....
Yes, when it comes to budget tires I do think the Shinko E804/805 tires are a bit more stable on-road than the Kenda Big Blocks. I think this is the case as the Shinko tires have less tread depth, the lugs are a bit larger in surface area and the contact patch is larger (flatter profile) than the Kenda. Enjoy!
@@manybikes thank you 👍
@@fabienpics my pleasure!
Hi Kyle
Great video man. So to summarize, which gives better grip on the road in both dry and wet conditions? I am planning to get either Kenda or Shinko for my bike. Mostly my riding is going to be on Streets and Highways.
What do you recommend?
Thanks man.
Both ;) Either one .... Here is the Kenda Big Block in the snow! czcams.com/video/72a0I6BRuyQ/video.html I'd say I liked the Kenda a little better than the Shinko all the way around. The Shinko was smoother on-road and was quieter too...
Damn those big blocks stepping out like that. Must be hell in wet and especially cold wet weather!
Here Is a Rain & Snow Ride on a 2019 Africa Twin Adventure Sports with Kenda Big Block Tires Mt. Baldly czcams.com/video/72a0I6BRuyQ/video.html
I would love a mileage report on both when they are toast. Also, how do the street and dirt manors change for both as they become worn?
Sean Eurich Yes! That will be very interesting. Working on it now.... Need To Ride More!
Hey Kyle,
Love your videos👍not many choices nowadays (sold out) which 50/50, 60/40 tire is the closest feel to the TKC 80’s? I’m riding a 890 R😀 Mostly gravel/Twistys/fire roads. I use my 690 Enduro R for more of the rougher offroad riding.
I’d recommend the Motoz RallZ rear tire and the Dual Venture up front. Or… the Mitas E10 but they are hard to find.
@@manybikes I’d have to mortgage the house for them😂
@@toddbenfield6546 Ha! Ha! Ha!
i use shinkos for 3 years on my at and now goin on my t7
Nice! I’ve found Shinko users to be very brand loyal. Glad you like yours!
Comprasion TKC80 vs Shinko, please. We loved this tires in Poland
Will get on that. The TKC80 and E804 / E805's are SUPER similar! Thank you for your suggestion.
Great comparison, I bought a new KTM adventure 250 2021 (same 390 chassis) but it came with MRF (indian) tires, do you think I can change them for these SHINKO that will be better?
The shinko tires work great on the street and in the dirt. I’m unfamiliar with MRF tires, but I can say that they are comparable with other name brand tire manufacturers.
How would you compare front specifically? (Most in review was rear tire related). Also any updates on mileage? Capping?
The front tires were both good and on my bike they both wore down unevenly. I run lower pressures and brake hard - it's not the tires fault. The Kenda felt better on-road but I liked the E804 better off-road. Thanks for watching. - Kyle
Those imperial measurements tie my brain in a knot.
Sorry... I am trying to to everything in mm and cm here in the future...
Got a 2023 bmw g310gs in Sept 2022 and i never liked the stock rubber. Got the bike because i have a ⁴ commute across a military base with almost half being gravel and dirt roads. It cane with the tirws at about 42 psi. I found the bike to do best at 29.5 and 32psi. Now I'm running these 804/805 as of today, dec2023 i had them at 32 34 and the break away was very hard and i didn't like the the feel in the lean. Now I'm at 34 36 and it breaks easier and feels better in the lean. Not sure about off pavement yet. The manual sugests riding at 24 26 psi. I haven't even gone that low in the snow. 🤷♂️ maybe I should try it
You bike is so light I’d drop the pressures.
@manybikes 100%
1st trip through the hood after install, on pavement, I liked the fast breakaway of the 34 36psi. 2 days later I took the bike to work 13mi, 15mph to 60mph, mixed dirt gravel and pavement. I made it about 200 yards of gravel got off the bike and dropped the pressures. I don't know where I'm at now because it was dark and I had no gauge. But the bike felt like I was riding on snot covered ice and ball bearings. So, I'll see where I'm at later and for now these tires are amazing. The stock tires felt awful and inspired 0 confidence on pavement or dirt. These shinko 804/805 tires make me really appreciate the new motorcycle and I can really ride it now. I love the soft ride, the stick in the corners and the off road handling is amazing so far. I can't believe the difference is so great. This is my first dual sport bike after a few sport touring bikes and my first set of slightly more aggressive tires. I'll get used to the way they feel and so far I love them.
@manybikes day three got the pressures dialed in. For me and my bike. Took a wet clay road and had to use my foot as an outrigger on the leeward side of the bike as the wind was blowing me towards a ditch. Dropped the pressure to 29.5/30psi feels great everywhere. A lot less rolly, slippy than stock tires. Great at 80mph on the freeway, great off road. Now I can really lean into turns, unlike with the stock tires
What's your thoughts on putting a big block on the front and a 805 rear? Seems like from your review that might be a good combination? Would you do that review? Or you just think it's a bad combination for the street?
That would be a great inexpensive combo.
Another good video! What is the weight of the shinko? I'll consider this tire as well for my next set.
The shinko 90/90-21 is 9 lbs 15 oz and the rear 150/70-18 is 15 lbs 13 oz.
@manybikes Perfect, I'll be ordering a set of these, thanks!
Sweet!
Good explanation but you forgot to leave us the website to buy them
Jaja Rasta Thanks for watching. All of the links are in the description of the video.
Front tire traction, stability, Do they plow to much in sand ect. Also much to consider.
I liked the feeling of the Big Block front tire better if I remember correctly... let me go review my footage. It’s been a while ;)
Problem with the Shinko's is their speed limit of only 99mph - I have to agree though, the Shinko's were amazing on my nearly 8,000 mile adventure exploring all of the western US in 2017 - surprisingly good on the hwy but off-road were even better! I did several hundred miles of rough, some silty sandy, some sandy logging roads and lots of hard pack - the 804/805 combo was very good in all these - my other big gripe other than the 99mph was how badly the front cupped to the point that it was so uncomfortable I had to change it out even though it had at least 2,000 more miles left in it... having said that, I do NOT like running tires till bald or even close. I recently installed the combination of a 805 in the rear and a Karoo 3 up front for a few hundred miles of tough off-road on my R1200GSA - great DOT combo for off-road and not bad on the street though I felt the Karoo 3 was not quite as sticky as the 804 in my experience... Thanks so much for all you do!
Totally agree with speed ratings. Most 50/50 tires are rated at 99 mph... like the TKC80. I'd like to see them all at 130 mph... as our bikes often get run at just over 100 mph.
99mph= lawyer proof
Hi Kyle, I’m going with adventure tires on a 2024 Drz400sm. I am 5’4” so I am trying to keep my tires a short as I can. I bought a tkc 120/70r17 for the front. In your segment on the kenda and Shinko you said the Kenda would lean faster than the Shinko rear. Is there a better back tire to pair with the tkc. (I have read more than on review that says the tkc rear washes out a lot. I am going with a 130/80r17 rear tire. Unfortunately they don’t make any adventure rear tires in a140/70r17 that’s my stock rear.I’m going to lower the rear of the bike but still want to keep the tires as short as I can. Most of my riding will be dirt roads but a little two track. Thanks, love your channel. You really give a lot of info.
Thanks for your inquiry. A great match to the TKC80 front that has great side bite is the Bridgestone AX41. There are several options... 130/80-17 140/80-17 or 150/70-17 .... so lets look at the heights. 80% of 130mm is 104 mm in height. 80% of 140 is 112 mm in height and 70% of 150 is 105 mm. My recommendation would be to go with the 150/70-17 for the lowest or shortest tire. You can shop here: www.rockymountainatvmc.com/tires-and-wheels/bridgestone-battlax-adventurecross-ax41-rear-motorcycle-tire-p?
@@manybikes thanks for the info
@@paulnewby9917 my pleasure
i just got a africa twin 2017, i want too hit the dirt but i have 80/20s what is the best tire for near 50/50 or greater towards dirt useage. i commute fifty miles one way to work so keep that in mind, thanks kyle, by the way im ruthless to my bikes mostly while flying on the dirt.
Nice Everett! Sounds like your riding is a lot like mine. Daily to work... and then hammering it on the weekend. The best tire for longevity and best 50/50 action I have found is the Motoz Tractionator Adventure or RallZ tire. They are very similar... the RallZ is just a tad more aggressive. Highest mileage I would suggest the Motoz GPS tire. If you want the cheapest longest lasting tire the Shinko E804 / 805 would be my recommendation. They work really really well for the price point and from hat I have seen, they last about 1/3 less than the Motoz Adv tire. Thanks for watching. - Kyle
Great video! Can you indicate wich are the best adventure tires for going verry fast in the twisties and in confort in the off road? I have a 1190 adventure and i can't decide wich one is better. Thank's!
I think the Shinko is the better tire for fast twisties. Off road they were very comparable.
Here is a little more specific feedback. The Shinko tires felt more planted and way more predictable in the fast pavement twisties. They did slide a little when pushed hard but it felt controllable unlike the Kenda tires did slip out without warning on a few occasions. - Kyle
I'm not a skilled off road rider, but I have spent a lot of time riding fast on pavement. I had previously run 705s on my R1200GS and they handled the twisties pretty well for what they are, and within my personal limits they were competent off road. I now am running my first set of 804-5 and am impressed. They really improved my confidence off road and have allowed me to extend my limits, but I was surprised how well they performed on pavement. I made a last minute overnight camping trip to southern Sequoia then out to Moro Bay the next day, combining dirt with pavement. Rode hard in hot weather. 700 miles total, rear wore down about 50%. A little noisy and a noticeable buzz above 70.
Shinkos, specially when riding “ The Dragon”!
Hi, I own a 2018 Royal Enfield Himalayan haven't been thinking about getting some shingle void 805s
I know two people who ride Himalayans on Shinko E804 / E805 tires and they work well for both of them. The white one is way faster than the red one surprisingly...
speed rating is also important
True to a point... most all knobbies are rated at 99 mph I have MELTED no fewer than three rear tires off the back of my 950 and 1190’s. Too light duty of a tire for the the weight, HP and speed of those bikes.
great video but what about the tire life? Which one comes out on top?
Thanks for your inquiry. This was a discussion about the most common budget tires and the strong points of each. Wasn’t meant to be a “which is better” or the winner. That will vary on the rider, type of riding and the bike on which the tire is to be mounted. Thanks for watching!
I’m curious how the Shinko 805 compares to the Mitas EO-7. Thoughts? Sorry if you have done a segment on this & I’m missing it.
Thank you!
Not yet, the E07's will get tested in two weeks. Stay tuned!
Kyle Bradshaw cool! Thanks!!!
@@rikenglebert7558 Yes Sir!
How does the Kenda big stack up against the Bridgestone ax41? I spend most of my days commuting 124 miles a day on pavement but would like a tire that does very well in the dirt for the fall riding season.
Thank you for your inquiry Michael. The AX41 is a much better street tire... it actually feels like a sport bike tire with great feedback from the road. The Kenda Big Block as much deeper tread blocks and has much more squirm on the street than the AX41. Wear will be close, but the AX41 will pull ahead towards the end. I am seeing about 3 to 4k miles form each tire if not "speeding" on the highway and if I keep them at higher air pressures on the road. All around I like the AX41 better. - Kyle
@@manybikes do they have better lateral slide resistance than the 804 805 set? Ive ran that shinko set before it was a bit put off by off camber hill climbs. I know a bike the size of an Africa twin isn't exactly a precision instrument but just looking to get the most bang for the buck.
@@stoplogicmotorsports Yes, both the Kenda Big Block and the Bridgestone AX41 I have found to have significantly better "side hill traction" or off camber climbing grip. The Kenda is cheap and really did do a great job. I do have a full on-bike review that I have not yet had a chance to edit. Check out these links: instagram.com/p/BtWIPZSnATq/ and this one instagram.com/p/BtbZ1erH1k-/
@@manybikes Wish that I could get a good answer about a 140/80 18 on the rear for an ATwin that would be a nicer price point for a set of fall dirt tires to burn up.
Michael Gleason you absolutely can run the 140! I have run the 140 Motoz Adventure and the Pirelli Rally in a 140 on the AT. The rim on the AT isn’t that wide and the 140 is even a better fit than the 150. And ... the tube type tire is lighter too!
PS I need help advice on dual tyre 80/20 for r1200r. 180/55 x17. Yes the 180 has seen me only find Avon Trailriders. Any other options? Cheers. NR.
Thank you for your inquiry. The Continental TKC80 is available in your requested size of 150/55-17 and you can see it here: www.chapmoto.com/continental-conti-twinduro-tkc80-tubeless-dual-sport-rear-tire-parent-329-0180 Or... the TKC70 comes in a 170 and will for sure fit your rim: www.chapmoto.com/continental-tkc70-v-rated-dual-sport-rear-tire-parent-329-0512 - Kyle
www.americanmototire.com/search-results/?q=180%2F55-17&narrow=%5B%5B"Categories"%2C"2029"%5D%5D&disable_semantics=1
@@dadsafrantic Great supportive link! Thanks dadsafrantic
I have a new 790 Adventure S. Soon to have aftermarket suspension and a few other mods but nothing serious. I live in the Phoenix outskirts so the bike will see freeway, desert, forest roads, and everything in between. How do you think these two would do on this smaller, lighter bike? It is not a commuter or primary transportation so I expect it will be around 60 street 40 dirt. But as you know, the desert can be hard on tires. Are these tires up for a 60 year old back out in the desert where i learned to ride in the early 70s?
Nice Ron! Nice! Either of these would treat you well... but I’d suggest instead the Motoz Tractionator Desert HT. Much mor knobby but rails just the same on the street. I’ve been on them for lots of years!
Ron Hunter czcams.com/video/LvxTA5E0Uss/video.html
@@manybikes Thank you!
Ron Hunter here is my ride report of the Desert HT’s on my 950 Super Enduro from 2013. That bike and your 790 have the same power / weight. czcams.com/video/et4p6i6IDGk/video.html
I have try both of the same tire, I like Shinko 804/805 better. Kenda squirm during highway speed unnerving felling.
Thank you for watching. I have found the same. On pavement the Shinko feels better and in the dirt, especially side hill action the Kenda was the winner. Different strong suits for each tire.
Problem with that thread design I found is they become really slippery in muddy trails
The Shinko or the Kenda? Personally, I have not found them slippery in the mud... but we have clay type mud.
@@manybikes I have shinko, but maybe it's just my technique?
Hated the Big Blocks. The Shinko needs blocks on the side of the void. Tried on DL1000 and XR 650L.
Yeah, not too big of a fan either.
Hi sorry I would like to ask you, I have a Triumph Bonneville T120 black which arrives in a month. I would like to put these 804 shinko tires but is it possible to know the size of the rubber that I have to choose? I can not understand. Thank you
According to a quick search, your T120 takes a Front : 100/90-18 and a Rear : 150/70-17 That front tire will be nearly impossible to find a knobby for... but you can get a TKC80 for the rear.
Thanks for the info, but so what do you recommend to buy beforehand? always a tkc80?
@@thomasdinelli2117 that’s about the only knobbie that fits a 17” rear … and an 18” front… I wasn’t able to find one with a quick search.
what mileage do u expect from both. I have bought 705's and got just 4000 and now the rear is toast.
I smoked the E804 / E805 in 3k miles. I was really hard on them in the rocks though.
Nice review, but what about Km durability?
They both wear our quickly compared to others…
As far as rain performance which one do you believe handles better on wet roads/muddy terrain?
I have ridden them both in wet... Neither of them are the "best tire" when wet but the Shinko did just a little better as there was more rubber actually making contact with the pavement. In the mud, they were very similar. Side hill grip in the mud was not the best... Straight line riding they did good. Thanks for watching. - Kyle
The Shinko does well on dry pavement. Not so great on wet pavement.
Hi, are the Shinkos tubeless? Is it safe to mount them on a Africa Twin with tube?
Yes, the Shinko’s are tubeless But you can mount a tubeless tire on any tube type bike as long as you install it to you. Here is me testing out the Shinko 705s on an Africa Twin. Shinko 705 Motorcycle Tire Review - 70/30 Adventure or Dual Sport czcams.com/video/3bKnAJlYuJg/video.html
@@manybikes Thanks for the reply. In the event of a puncture, would the tire deflate rapidly?
No more rapidly than a tube type... all depends on the size of the hole.
Can one or both be ran tubeless on my 21 ATAS?
If a tire is a tube type tire it must have a tube as typically the bead won’t seat properly. Any tubeless tire can accept a tube. These Shinko tires are tubeless tires.
The most important thing for me is what speed you can get before bike wobbles, what speed could you get? the Kenda sucks at speeds over 130 km/h. How is the Shinko?
I have had both of these tires up over 120 mph. The were not "too stable" but they did not death wobble on me. I did have to stiffen the suspension though to tame the wiggle.
@@manybikes Maybe it's different for a lighter bike? My bike weights 170 kg dry (Suzuki XF650).
@@ronenfe maybe… I’ve run them on an Africa Twin and a KTM 1190 Adv R
@@manybikes Actually it says it's 162kg dry. With the Metzler Tourance I had before, I had no problems, I need to decide if I am going to try the Shinko 805 or maybe put the Shinko 705 which I had on my KR650 in the past which could get me to 100 - 110 MPH without wobbles,
@@ronenfe didn't the xf predate the metric system?
I’m going to put shinko’s on my goldwing.
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Yee Haw!
Can these go on 250cc dirtbike
Yes, both of these tires have fronts that fit your 250cc dirt bike but only the Shinko has a rear that will properly fit.
GOOD REVIEW just dont like the other gear you advertise or review thats made in China - eg Klim clothing. Would rather stuff made in the US or another country
Well, most of Klim isn’t made in China. In fact only 2 KLIM tags in my closet were made in China. Most were made in Indonesia, Bangladesh & Thailand.
My 805s got scary after about 4000 miles. I took them off with plenty of tread left
On my R1200GSA I did not like them... but I'd run them on the KTM! Strange eh?
Yup I found the same thing. The groove in the center lug was probably no longer there and the tire moved around alot. The tire looks like there is plenty of tread but without that groove the handling especially on pavement is terrible.
@@danielsolomon9915 Why not take a dremel and lengthen the groove?
Any chance anyone knows the weight difference between the two? Baby gs cant afford to lose power
borderm3 Yes! The 90/90-21 / 150/70-18 Shinko E084 is 9 Lbs 14 oz and the E805 is 15 lbs 13 oz and the Kenda Big Blocks in the same sizes are 11 lbs 3 oz front and the rear is 17 lbs 2 oz. There you have it...
Kyle Bradshaw you are the man!!!!! Thanks so much. Do you expect both tired would be about the same in the mud? I just got a g310gs and tried it out here in PA and on hills with any mud the stock metzeler tourances have nearly zero friction
borderm3 That’s great! I’ve got a KTM 390 I’ve outfitted with Bridgestone AX41’s and it’s AWESOMENESS! czcams.com/video/zB-DZqV6MXE/video.html I think the E804 a E805 will roll better on the highway and will do great off road. The Big Blocks have deeper tread, but a much rounder profile which requires more air-down to get the same contact patch. I’d roll the lighter of the two for sure! On my Duke I lose 12 mph off the top end (freeway speed) due to the size / weight increase. I used to hit 100 mph easily and now I struggle to get to 85 mph.
How do the Big blocks rate against the Motoz Rallz
No comparison. The Kenda tires are cheap (good thing cost wise) but they wear out REALLY quick. The Kenda tires are really really round (severe crown) and that makes for not much rubber on the ground which creates a very minimal contact patch. The Motoz RallZ has better traction everywhere and gets much more mileage. It’s more expensive… but you’ll go through 2 or 3 Kenda’s for every 1 RallZ.
@@manybikes Great thanks...Outfitting my T700 with Motoz's Appreciate the quick response.
@@wesleydean1358 you’ll love them!
It looks like you compared a 150/70/17 Kenda vs a 150/70/18 Shinko. That would not be a direct comparison for athings like sidewall height.
I actually rode them on the same bikes with same sizes. For props here I has only access to these two NEW tires. The comparison is unflawed.
Sidewall height or the distance to the edge of the tread are affected by rim diameter and/or the aspect ratio. Directly measuring the two tires you have in the video like you did with a measuring tape was a flawed moment. Good video though and appreciate your rider feedback. I have also had both models of tires on my machine.
@@diabetic I’ll have to watch it again... a 150 is a 150.. 150 mm across the the tire width. I also measured durometer reading and tread depth. These three measurements should be comparable regardless is rim size & aspect ratio. Height is a percentage of width and has nothing to do with rim diameter. Anyhow, thanks for your feedback and THANK You for watching! I’m testing two brand new never before seen 50/50+ tires at the moment. Pretty sweet... stay tuned! - Kyle
I got big blocks on my KLR, Im not a fan they slide out way to much. On pretty much all terrain and road.
Yes... I found they were a bit sketchy when aired up... More so on my KTM than the Africa twin. I thought that was strange. Thanks for watching. - Kyle
And the verdict is..?
I’ve got a different answer dependent on the bike it’s going on and the proposed use ;)
Shinko 244
I'll have to give it a look.
metzeler it's the best of the best
They do make some good tires! Go Elephant Go!
Lol lets not get carried away..