4 Top Rated Adventure Motorcycle Tires Bridgestone AX41 Motoz Rally & Adventure Shinko 804 / 805
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- Kyle breaks down the reasons he likes these three Adventure Tires. They all perform a bit different and they each have their spotlight.
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Kyle breaks down the reasons he likes these three Adventure Tires. They all perform a bit different and they each have their spotlight.Here they are:
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Thanks for answering some of the questions I had. I love listening to kyle. He speaks so naturally, & there's never any umming or aahing. And he provides good, solid & sensible information/data.
Glad you enjoy the presentation. Just talking to the camera like I would a friend... as that is who the conversation is for ;) Thanks for watching!
Awesome comparison. Keep these vids coming. These are super informative and interesting.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Kyle, great review and very well explained
Thank you Simon for watching!
always great information. thx Kyle!
Yes Sir! SO MANY questions have come in on the difference between the RallZ and the AX41 tires... I really needed to explain it in video format. Thanks for watching! - Kyle
Thanks Kyle for another really great review. Refreshing to see an unbiased, non-sponsored tire review. Your videos are my number one go-to’s. Really love the AX41 on my 1200 GSA, but have found that it needs a little bit more grip in the front on higher speed gravel roads, specially hard packed with the slippery small stones and sand on top. On the tarmac, they are excellent for a knobby tire. I have ordered the Motoz Rallz and keen to see the impact. Best wishes. Marcus from South Africa
Awesome! Yeah, the shallow tread depth on the front tends to allow it skate around a bit as you have mentioned. The RallZ is my go-to on my personal bikes as they do so good everywhere.
Great video! This has been one of the best tire comparisons I have seen so far. I would love to see you do this style of video for 80/20 or 70/30 tires!
Thank you for the suggestion! I’ll get this on my list of future videos. Would you like to see 2 tires compared - or a like if them... 4 to 6 tires?
@@manybikes I would love to see a comparison between tires like the Anakee Adventures, TKC 70s, Motoz Tractionator GPS, and maybe something like the Shinko 705's. So I guess thats 4 tires?
Tim Ash sounds great. I’ll put it together. It might be a month or so out - I’ve
Got a bit in the queue right now. Monday I’ve got a video comparison going live of Motoz GPS vs. Heidenau K60 Scout - two of the longest lasting tires currently in the space.
@@manybikes I look forward to that coming out! I will be due for a new tire change in the next week or two, so your videos will influence my next tire choice. So far I have only ran TKC 70s on my super tenere, and although they have been "good enough", I wonder if there are better. Your videos offer some of the best real world information on performance on different terrains that I have been able to find.
Very helpful info. Thanks Kyle
No problem! Thanks for watching.
Thank you for doing this helpful information.. and like everytime you make very good work. 🥇
I appreciate that!
👍awesome, thanks for your report!!
No problem!!!
Great video. Thanks for the information.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for posting amigo.
My pleasure!
Thanks Kyle!
Yes Sir!
Great comparison. I got 6000 miles out of my Tractionator Adventure rear tire, in a mix of 40% offroad and 60% on road. That’s on a “heavy” 1290SA. I had maybe 1000 miles left if I ran it right down to the wear indicator, but it was starting to move a bit much on asphalt so I swapped it out.
Good call Ronan... Good rubber is important and down too far... they just don't work the way they are supposed to. Thank you for your feedback and for watching! -- Kyle
Kyle thank you again.. !
Yes Sir!
Motoz are quickly becoming my favorite tire brand. I have the Tractionator S/T on my CRF250L and they are phenomenal in Florida’s sugar sand and mud. I’m going to try the Rallz on my Triumph Tiger Explorer and see if they out perform the Mitas E07s I ran on it for 10k miles. Thanks for the video!
Nice to hear your Motoz story. I have been running them on my 950 Super Enduro and 450 exc for over 10 years now... and then on my R1200GS Adv and now on my KTM 1190. I really like the performance and mileage they provide. Thanks for watching! - Kyle
Great rear, Crap Front. They know it....
cheers for the insight. very interesting.
My pleasure!
AX41's - Coming to the end of my run with these tires. I've got about 4k miles out of the set on a V-Strom 650. I was commuting about 20 miles a day on the weekdays and doing 100-200 miles of mostly off-road on the weekends . The rears wore perfectly and are now down to a few mm of block in the center and the front still has another 1k left it it easily although there is some cupping....nothing alarming though.
Here in CO., we see a lot of granite/gravel on hardpack and these tires worked fantastic anywhere I pointed them. From tarmac to mtn passes riddled with rock. Was hoping to get more mileage out of them, but they performed fantastic and the price was right so I can't complain. I'm debating another set or at least using the front with a motoz rear.
The AX41 is a fantastic tire! I really really like them! But.. mine were toast in 2200 miles on the 1190 and just a little bit mite on my 390. I really need more longevity so I do appreciate the RallZ for that. I’m about 4K on the RallZ. If you want to try them out, I can get you a rear, or a set... just let me know. Colorado is amazing riding!!!
Thanks Kyle
one-of-us my pleasure!
Excellent comparison Kyle, thank you! I'm wondering about the weight differences and how that might affect performance. Maybe not a big deal on adv bikes, but unsprung weight is unsprung weight and those Motoz tires feel pretty heavy to me.
I have been using the Shinkos on my Tiger 800XC and they've worked great for me. Agree with you, can't beat 'em for the price.
I am actually in the process of putting together a ADV tire spreadsheet with all of the facts / specs of each tire. That will be forthcoming! Thanks for watching!
Just finishing off a set of Shinkos, did about 20% dirt/gravel and 80% road mostly on the highway. For the price they are an awesome tire, I have 6500 miles and should be able to get another 1000 (max) out of them. Ran them at 32 psi front and 36 rear and did not air down when off road. My friend had the Pirelli Scorpions at more than double the price and his are basically done, not sure if he had more grip than me but I had no complaints about my traction. Did not have any rain so can not comment on that.
Awesome feedback! When the AX41's come of my 1190 Adv R plan on running the Shinko and then the Kenda tires to the ground to see what mileage I get out of them all... Same riding style on the same bike. Mileage is so suspect to conditions, riders, bikes, etc... Thanks for watching and commenting! - Kyle
Great info. Thank you! Do these MotoZ have problems with cracking around the blocks? I was running the MotoZ Tractionator GPS and after about 4K miles they split out around the blocks.
Thank you for your inquiry Jenny. I have seen other people experience the cracking, but I myself have not that happen on any of the at least 12 sets of Motoz tires - mixture of Adventure, RallZ, GPS and Desert HT.
Oh my! Around $200 for the MotoZ Adventure - I think I paid $180 for my Michelin Anakee Adventure rear (not very good off-road but very sticky on road, wet and dry!) Thanks so much for all you do!
Yeah... Tire prices have gone up. That is for sure. Motoz (Desert HT) were less than $100 when I began running them. The original Adventure Tire was $125... Not any more unfortunately. I preferred ran the Anakee Adv on my R1200GSA and it was "squirmy" and LOUD... but it did work as good if not better than the TKC80's was was previously running. Then... the Motoz on my R1200GS Adv became my favorite as it was quiet and it rolled smoother than the Anakee Adv... and it lasted longer. That was my experience. Thanks for watching and for sharing! - Kyle
agree with your findings. Shinko is even more quiet than Motoz. Shinko gave me same grip/feel as Pirelli Scorpion Rally, but at fraction of the cost. Bonus is Shinko has stiffer sidewall than Pirelli, but roughly same thread pattern which and for me (compared to Motoz) offered little better grip off road when doing straight line hard stops or acceleration without fishtailing. Scorpions is terrible at fixing functure, just tears even more. Motoz for sure is the best for longevity & gives excellent grip on and off road.
Thank you for taking time to comment and for sharing your findings. The Shinko 804 / 805 tires really did impress and for the price point... that is pretty remarkable. It was the Longevity + Grip that has made me love the Motoz for years. Now... to see how the AX41 will stack up over the Long Haul. -- Kyle
Shinko 805s are brilliant dirt and touring tyre with excellent road manners quiet tyre and great value amazing!
Great video Kyle! I have had the Tractionator Adventure for 3k hard miles now and I am super happy. My old TKC80s would have popped by now. Considering the Rally for my next rear. Will see how long this T/A tire will last. If I can get like 5+k out of it I may try thr Rally next.
Nice! I personally got about 4800 miles out of my Tractionator Adventure tires. The RALLZ tire was probably 10 or 15% better in the dirt… But it did last not quite as long as the Adventure tire. That is a trade off that you will have to weigh… But either tire you’ll be very happy with I am pretty confident. Thanks for watching!
@@manybikes I rode my buddies AT today and let him ride my 1090R and man I can't believe the difference between the 2 bikes. The deceleration is quite noticeable on the AT. Few more odds and ends. Kinda nice to ride a bike that doesn't want to be ran like a 2 bit hooker all the time lol. Although I believe I could live with the AT after a seat, pegs, and risers.
My buddy fell in love with the 1090. Especially the clutch and power!
Thanks for the Video Kyle! Which one would you choose for MUD? I know you mentioned rocks and dirt, but didn't mention mud. I ride a lot in the mud... Thanks in advance! TC
For mud, I would go with the Motoz RallZ. The tire has the largest and deepest voids thus allowing it to dig deeper. The AX41 "cleans out easier" but the tread depth is shallow in comparison and does not dig as deeply or as aggressively. The RallZ literally digs trenches! My 2 cents... Thanks for watching! - Kyle
Nice presentation , however it would be nice to hear also about the front !!
Yes Sir! From here forward I will include front tire info as well. Thanks for watching. - Kyle
Great info kyle!!! Thank you!!! Which would you prefer between the AX41 and the Anakee Wild?
On the street, the AX41 and off-road the Anakee Wild as its just a touch more aggressive. The Wild lasted me almost 4K miles and the AX41 was shot in just 2,500. Both are great tires though!!!
Great video kyle👍
Quick question. We are heading soon to do colorado BDR route. Im thinking to go with rallz on rear 150/70r18 for my africa twin also bike will be loaded with gear for camping and food what tire pressure would u sugest to run on rallz ?
Awesome! The RallZ will be amazing for the Colorado BDR. 150/70-18 will be perfect. I run 30 psi all around when doing on and off-road mixture throughout the day. If I need to I can drop it further but that is not usually necessary. If doing highway all day I bump them up to like 38 rear and 40 front.
Thanks for the comparison. i did have the Motoz Adventure tacking me down in wet weather. Do you rate the rallz better than the AX41 in onroad wet weather?
Thank you for your inquiry Carlos. I feel the AX41 to be a little better in the wet due to the fact that the blocks are overall smaller and have odd angled shapes that will disperse water differently. They will be close in performance though... - Kyle
I'd like a comparison of Michelin Anakee Wild and Metzeler Karoo 3 added to this video as they are direct competitors. Maybe throw in Mitas 09 too
Thank you for your inquiry Duane. Thank you for your suggestions. The Anakee Wild and Karoo 3 comparison just like this one will be forthcoming. Thank you for your request. Before it... you will see the Heidenau K60 Scout compared to the Motoz GPS tire... Thanks for watching. - Kyle
Keen to see a review (comparison) with the new Continental TKC70 Rocks
They rocks isn’t nearly as aggressive as these two... but check out this ride I did yesterday! TKC 70 Rocks Review | KTM 390 TKC70 Rocks Test | Adventure vs Duke | Lake Pleasant | MotoCity czcams.com/video/Fziyvet4A6c/video.html
Njoy ur viedos,lookin to xtend th wear on rear of sport bike,which tire would u reccomend,thanx
What is the tire size of your sportbike?
Hi Kyle, thanks for another great video! Is the noise information you mentioned true to rear and front of these tires?
Noise from both end! The K60 scout front is super loud!!!
@@manybikes thanks, I was wondering about the Motoz Adventure noise level. Now I have a Motoz Adv rear and a tkc80 front and getting haul sounds. Not sure from where. I wonder if a Motoz front will be more quiet?
Just in time, as I'm getting ready to order a new rear tire for my Tiger 800 to replace the AX41. It's been a solid performer in all conditions with 3912 miles on it, maybe could get another 200 miles of pavement out of it. From the three tires mentioned in your video, which were on my list and I've asked you about them before, I'm leaning toward the Adventure to go for mileage, but I'm not sure the MotoZ rear will make it to summer if I get it on soon. So, I'm trying to figure out my next move, spend $109 on a Shinko or AX41 rear burn that up then get the Adventure by summer for the Colorado trip OR spend $197 now and see where I'm at come summer, which I may have to spend another $197 to make sure I have a good tire for Colorado. We are going to trailer out there which is a positive when it comes to tire wear however. The difference is not overwhelming maybe $90 so that's also good news. Anyway, I appreciate your videos and thanks for your information as we all try to find that "unicorn" of a tire.
Unicorn tire is for sure... what we are seeking. The Heidenau K60 was it for a while, but Motoz has taken the reins for now as the wear similarly but get way better traction. Now... onto your question / answer. I TOTALLY recommend that you begin your Colorado trip on FRESH tire. Way tooooooooo many times I have tried to Squeeze the big ride out of a tire I had 1500 miles on... and at the end was down to the cords with very minimal traction / protection. That out of the way... the Shinko will be your cost effective option to tide you off until your CO trip. That being said... the AX41 is a significantly better tire all the way around. Side bite off roads and and street feel / feedback / grippyness is far superior on the AX41. I can give you the details and you will need to decide what is best for your situation. If I were felling cheap and knew that my rides between now and then were not "too crazy" I might go for the Shinko. BUT If I had any "high speed twisty" OR any technical off-road trips in the meantime... I'd go the AX41. Tough... Irregardless... Have FUN riding out there! Thanks for watching and for your support -- Kyle
try mitchelin ankee wilds.
I wish you would do a test with the desert H/T in a 50/50 test... I want to see how it performs on the pavement twisties.... and I’m also wondering what your thoughts are regarding mix matching the rear and front tire sets.... I’m thinking I’d like to run the adventure rear, with the rallz front....
Great suggestion! I currently have the Desert HT's mounted up and am testing them RIGHT NOW! Stay tuned!
Great info, thank you! Any chance that you will be reviewing the Anakee Wilds?
Dr. Rodney J Thornell DDS yes, but none of my current bikes have current Wild fitment.
@@manybikes If I lived closer, I'd let you borrow my bike for it. Thanks again for these videos!
@@dr.rodneyjthornelldds3648 Thank you Sir!
anakee wilds are brill.
Question on wet weather traction for the Motoz rear tires - The Tractionator Adventure is a harder compound, but has more surface area smaller gaps between knobs). The RallZ compound is softer, with silica, but has less contact area. How do they compare to each other on the road in the wet?
I prefer the RallZ all around now that I have ridden both the Adv and the RallZ back to back on three different bikes. I personally feel that the RallZ is an all around better in dry, in the dirt, in the mud, in the wet and on the road than the Adventure. 1k to 2k less mileage... but a better feeling / performing tire none-the-less. Hope this helps!
I am on my second rear tire with the AX41. Great tire, but with only a 4000 mile lifespan on a 2019 BMW R1250 GS Adventure. 190lbs rider, 80-90 lbs of gear. Southwestern US & rocky mountain highways & BDR off road trails. The front AX41 is still my original set purchase tire. Great front tire lifespan. In April 2019 when I purchased my bmw, I started off with a set of the Motoz Tractionator Adventure tires. The rear is an incredible on & off-road tire, eating everything in its path! The front tire of the Motoz is crap and will cup & wear unevenly after 3K road & trail riding. Never had traction issues with either set. Just a short lifespan on the rear AX-41, and a short lifespan on the front Motoz Adventure. I’m at 13K miles of riding with this motorcycle. 65% off-road trails & BDR, 35% highway/street. I recommend both brands highly. I may even hybrid match a Motoz rear with a AX-41 front. Stay tuned.
Now this is fantastic feedback kcrush1! Thank you for sharing. I too am seeing that I should get about 4k from my AX41 rear and double that in the front. The even wear thus far has been pretty impressive. Thank you for sharing your insights - great hearing from a pro who USES his tires and his bike. Kudos to you. If you are ever in the San Bernardino area, lets go ride a loop! Cheers - Kyle
Kyle Bradshaw thank you & your offer sounds great. I buy my tires from you guys anyway, so I should probably make a trip out there to finally see the store. I might do it after trying out the SoCal BDR section.
@@kcrush1 Do it! Maybe when you plan the SoCal BDR... I could come join you for a day or two... That'd be fun.
Makes me think... AX41 front, RallZ rear. Might wear at similar rate as a set. Good front end feel for the road and lower pressures in the rear offroad. Think the rear would overpower the front too much in grip? Thinking about this for DR650.
Jeff Loucks that combo sounds awesome!
Yes I did run the Shinkos about 3500miles rear & around 5000 miles front, this involved 50/50 riding in all tyres of conditions- like your tests you do . The only downfall I found was limited side traction F&R - good straight line panel traction & obviously the price is GOLD . But I wouldn’t use again due to the side traction thing. My present go to tyre is the M21 rally cross front and Motoz Rallz rear “ in ALL conditions including snow ❄️ desert, mud , rocks , twisties Asphalt roads , but will try the GoldenTyre GT 723 next - it’s what Lyndon Posket used around the world on Races to places . Will give it a go
Yes! Yes! Yes! I too was SHOCKED about the lack of side traction! Why? I don't understand it... doesn't make sense. I love the MT21 and the RallZ - great combo I have not tried yet. I will get on that! I which I could get a set of Golden Tyre's to test. I can not get them here for a resonable price. Thanks for your feedback!
@@manybikes thanks for the reply, will let you know what I think of the GT 723 when it’s spent ! love your reviews on tyres mate keep up 🆙 the GREAT 👍 work .
Regards
Paul from down under
Hello Kyle can you please make all your measurement also in millimeters so the rest of the world can understand Thanks Ps love love all your tutorials
Yes, mm from now on! Sorry!
You can always convert the measurements like we have to from metric!
Hi Kyle, Desert HT or RallZ? Is there much difference in off road traction? Installing on a T7.
Also what do you think about Mountain Hybrid up front and HT or RallZ in rear?
Personally I like the RallZ a little better than the Desert HT. The Desert HT is amazing... but it's compound is harder than the RallZ causing it to be stiffer and less conforming. I do have a comparison video I am in the process of editing up that will show the differences. Both are great... but when my current Desert HT's are worn out I'll go with the RallZ again. The Mountain Hybrid... ONLY in the Dirt I'd run it on the Big Bikes.
That answered my dilemma. AX41 on the Tiger 900, and sticking with the Rallz on the 701. Did the Portuguese TET in 2020 on the 701 on the Rallz at 28 psi. Very rocky in places and no punctures or pinch flats, good in the wet, but not tried them in mud. Me, 90kg, plus 20kg kit, about 250lbs load for Americans. The Rallz is an excellent TET tyre. I'm doing the French TET in 2022, Inshallah, and I'll be doing it on the Rallz. The Tiger is mostly road, the 701 mostly dirt.
YeHaw! Great bikes and great rides you are taking! Jealous to say the least... The AX41 will feel ike a sport bike tire as compared to the RallZ, you will see. The AX41 is my favorite 50/50+ tire but it wears so quickly! But is is fun! Thus the reason the RallZ is my daily GoTo tire.
@@manybikes The Tiger doesn't get big miles so I'll live with the tyre wear. I am lucky to have the Trans Euro Trail within a day or a couple of days. 2024 plan, fly out to Istanbul with my wife. 10 days Istanbul and Turkey, fly the Tiger out to Bulgaria and ride home through Balkans, Greece, Croatia and Italy. My stopping work trip. I'll need some tough tyres for that. BTW Kyle, you have made tyres interesting. Well done. Listening to you is helluva lot better than tedious debates on forums. I've worked my way through TKC80, K60 m and s, Anakee Wilds, Avon Trails and Rallz as well as Mitas C19 for my local mud, and the Rallz are my favourite all rounder.
Ha! Ha! Ha! Thank you Andrew!
I cant find a good comparison of the new dunlop trail max mission vs any other 50/50 tire.. like the battlax ax41, K60, karoo3 and shinko 804/805 I saw the 2020 shoot out but theres so many tires
Well, I will add your request to my list of things to put together. That should be fun!
Hi from Australia. I have a tenere 700 and I'm about 75% worn thru a rear desert HT in 140/80 and looking to see what I'd replace it with.
Ive got about 3500km on it so far and found it to be noisy, and slippery on road dry, but especially wet. Quite grippy off road, dry/damp clay, gravel, loamy, etc, until recently as its worn.
I feel like I'd happily sacrifice a small amount of off road grip but would like it to last a bit longer, but also don't want to spend much if any more above the Desert.
Im contemplating the adventure tube type, another desert ht, a motoz Enduro6 or at the bottom is a dunlop d606 but I feel 130 would be a bit small vs the 140/80, so the HT and adv tire I think are my preferences.
What do you think?
Well.. I really like the Motoz Desert HT. However, I have been currently running the Dunlop Rally Raid D908 on a Tenere 700... and I really like the tire. It is a great combo. I will have a full review on that tire here in the coming weeks. Here is the differences between the D908 and the Desert HT: Live! Dunlop Rally Raid 908RR vs. Motoz Desert H/T | Big Bike ADV Dual Sport Tires czcams.com/video/5AVJH-Skb2M/video.html Don't run the D606 as it is "too light" of a tire. I will have more for you here shortly... Stay tuned!
Very informative. Ì have a KLR650 with tkc80s, need a new rear, was thinking of going with the motoz rallz. Whats the weight of tkc80 and the rallz in 130 80/17? Would you recommend changing from tkc80 to Motoz rallz for similar performance but a longer life span? I got about 2,800 miles on the tkc80 rear.
Dude... on your KLR I’d bet you’d get +/- 6k out of a Rallz! Check out this KLR with over 5k on a GPS ... 5k Mile Motoz Tractionator Adventure and GPS Trailside Tire Review czcams.com/video/G2V72QjfuqM/video.html Totally worth the extra couple bucks for triple the mileage!!
@@manybikes Thanks! ..what about the weight ..I remember you saying the tkc80 was pretty lightweight, wondered what the difference between the rear tkc80 and the rear rallz is? Do you have those weights easily avail? Thanks again
Kyle would you run the Rallz on a smaller bike. In my case XR650L?
Great question. If I was running mostly street but wanted a hard core dirt tire too... maybe. I would actually run the Motoz Desert HT tire on an XR650L instead as it is a much more aggressive dirt tire. It is a lot louder... but it works really great on smaller lighter Dual Sport bikes. Here is my review of that tire like 10 years ago: czcams.com/video/et4p6i6IDGk/video.html
Would love to have seen your opinion on the Kenda Big Blocks.
Tobin Bennett A request for a comparison between the Kenda big blocks & the Shinko 804 / 805 tires Has been made and I will complete that one here shortly…
Great, thanks!
Educational
Thank you for watching Marcus!
Kyle, I'm a bit confused in this video you say Moto Adventure tire is quiet on the road. In your dedicated review of that tire the front has a loud howl.
The rear tire is quiet and the front was loud, but that front is no longer. It’s been replaced by the Dual Venture.
The Shinko 804 (front) has spent more miles on my Scrammy than any ADV tire. When weighing price/performance per mile, it's really tough to beat on a heavy bike. I've ran only one 805 on the back, and it's good, but depending on tire size, it's not always the "best value" option. I.e., the Karoo 3 is only a couple dollars more in 130/80-17, and it's a better tire on and off-road against the 805 rear (Karoo 3 lugs have larger spaces than the 805), but in 150/70-17 (et al) the price point and tread pattern changes. Also, the biggest issue I have with the 805 rear is the siping, once that rain sipes down the center are worn off, that rear tire can get slick in the rain. Caveat, I find shinkos in general to be a bit cold-blooded. They are great tires, even in the rain, but you need to make sure you're keeping them warm; if you're the kind of rider that really "takes it easy" in the rain, be warned that you need to make sure you don't do any panic maneuvers, that tire may let go because it's cold (note: I spent a lot of midwestern winters on the Shinko; this also depends heavily on what bike you ride).
Anywho, looking forward to putting miles on a set of Motoz ADV tires; I've run the Desert H/T on the 250L with good results, we'll see how the ADV tires do on my fat bike. Thanks for the Video @Kyle!
Great feedback! I think you will really like the Motoz on your "fat bike"... ha! ha! I call my 1190 my "big girl" that's funny. I had run the 804 / 805 on my R1200GSA and did not like them at all... not on the highway nor in the dirt. BUT... on the AT and my 1190 they feel way better. Don't know if it was the weight... or tire size that I did not like. Anyhow... Thanks for watching! - Kyle
@@manybikes that's why I always reinforce, "depends on the bike. K60 scout is "Fine" on the Scrambler but my buddy absolutely hated it on his Tiger, slipped in the rain, so on. I never had those issues. Just how things work.
Moto Adventurer So true! Tires are bike / load / use / terrain specific for sure!
Great reviews! Any suggestions for a KTM 390 Adventure- I mostly ride dirt roads(flat) in Minnesota. I do ride the pavement to get to the dirt roads. I have the stock Conti-TKC-70-They are great on the pavement and the oiled gravel but when I get on the loose gravel roads they feel pretty loose. The bike weighs in at about 380LBS-of course budget matters (hence the 390) I do want a tubeless tire and have noticed the Shinko front(100-90-19 says it's tubeless?) Rear is 130-80-17-Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
Ditch the cheap tires and run a Motoz. Rallz in the rear and Dual Venture up front. They will last you like 12k miles on the 390! You will burn through 3 sets of “cheap tires” in the meantime and will have paid way more in the end. You can run a tube in any Tubeless tire, that’s not a problem.
@@manybikes , thanks Kyle, could you be a little more specific, I can't find either tire with the description you gave me. And do you have a favorite tire place?
@@scotteaton6470 I can provide you Motoz tires (that’s what I had recommended) but other tires, the big on-line guys have the best prices.
Hoping you can explain to me why the Rallz (softest in this test) spins up like crazy on road for me. Even see my traction control light up in 3rd gear and I’m not on on a super powerful bike. I’m 240lbs and riding a Multistrada 950S so you would think I would get really good traction. I saw you snapping the throttle on a damp road while on one of your bigger bikes in a Rallz test video. So confusing to me. I’ve run everywhere from 25-35 psi and get the same results. Another bit of data is that Im at ~1500 miles and down from 15.5mm to 8mm on the center lugs. I can only attribute that to how much this tire wants to spin in both straight line and powering out of corners. Can’t image I’ll get more than 3K before it gets scary in the dirt.
Good question! And very interesting. On my 1190 Adv R I can lift the front wheel in 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear and the back tire tire does not spin, unless the road is dusty. I myself am 5' 9" and 220 lbs. I am unsure why you are getting so much spin.
What are you running on the front with these choices? I know it's 2022, maybe the Motoz DV????
At the time this was shot I was running matched sets. Now... I would totally run the Dual Venture up front!
I was wondering if you ever mix and match tires? I would like to try an motoz adventure on the front and a motoz GPS on the back. Any comments
Yes! I actually mix tired all the time… for example all the front MOTOZ tires 10 to give me a front end wobble here on California freeways... there are two or three other 50-50 tires that I have run they have a limited that wobble will allow me to still run the MOTOZ amazing rear tires. I have actually run that exact combination that you were suggesting on my BMW R1200GSA And they worked really really well
@@manybikes Thanks Kyle I appreciate the information
Hi Kyle you responded to a previous comment of mine so here’s hoping you can help me with some advise. I can’t get any sense out of BMW. I am on an BMW 850 GS that has Anakee 3’s on it. I use it a lot for commuting. My commute is interesting it’s about 5 miles of forest road to the main road and then 25 miles of hardtop. This time of year the very hilly forest road is constantly wet, with a lot of wash off, so big sections of slimy gravelly wet clay. I often unfortunately do this trip in the dark.Twice now the front wheel has just slipped away from me and not picked up traction for a good 10 to 15 yards. I have not dropped the bike fortunately but had to use my feet to keep it from going out from under me, I was applying no brake at anytime. Fortunately I was at very low speed. Most of my commute is on hardtop so no problem and in the dry season the Anakees are fine. In this wet slippery terrain they are just scary. Can you suggest a tire please.
If you like the more street oriented tires and you like Michelin I would suggest the Anakee Adventure in the rear and the Anakee Wild in the front for more bite in the sloppy stuff. OR... you just swap to the Anakee Wild's front and rear for the winter months. Thanks for watching! - Kyle
@@manybikes thank you I am not stuck on Michelin or street tyres. I appreciate your advice I think I am going to do as you suggest.
I have a drz400s and ride 40-50 street and the rest off-road. I have Shinko 700 now that where on the bike when I got it and they are done and probably not great when new. What would you recommend . Motoz rally or ax41 or?? Hope to hear back soon
Thanks for watching Doug! Actually... I owned a 2002 DRZ400 and rode it for 8 years putting 90k miles on it... Sold it for more than I bought it for in 2003! Great bike! I would actually recommend that you run the Motoz Desert HT tires. The RallZ is made for Adventure bikes and is way heavier than the Desert HT. On the DRZ you will see like 4k to 5k out of the Motoz Desert HT tires and they are much more dirt oriented. Of the RallZ or AX41... I love both. The AX41 is much lighter than the Rallz and that would be my pick. But... the AX41 is toast in like 2k miles where the RallZ will take you more than double that mileage... My 2 Cents. Thanks for watching! - Kyle
Kyle Bradshaw what is your thoughts on the AX41 vs the TKC80 on my drz400s for true 50/50 riding
Doug Hooser the AX41 is a better all around tire in my opinion. The TKC80 is old technology and the AX41 works really really well on / off ... dry & wet!
Motoz are the best but I still only get about 2k miles per tire,2018 1290 sar ,ran stock tkc 80 till 1500 miles,then motoz gps, adventure, desert,now waiting on the rallZ! At 10k miles now.
Wow! 2k miles on a the GPS tire - that is madness! My 1190 Adv R does go through tires like your 1290 ;) In 15k miles I have blown through the stock TKC80's, Heidenau K60 Scout, Motoz Desert HT and the RallZ tire... Just mounted up the AX41 and am looking forward to seeing how this tire lasts. Thus far it is great everywhere. Time ... or miles will tell. Thanks for watching. - Kyle
For those of you that requested a comparison between the Shinko and Kenda... here you go! czcams.com/video/KmL5v3fXT1g/video.html
Nice...
Replying at your own messages lol
How many miles did you get out of the AX41 on the 1190 super adventure?
I get about 2k miles on the back of the 1190 and 4k from the front. They wear out quickly, but they work so good for that period of time.
Good presentation bud,
But what about smaller adventure bike tyres, 250cc and 450cc range.
I’d recommend smaller lighter tires for the smaller dual sports. These ADV tires are really heavy for the smaller bikes.
Kyle Bradshaw,
thanks for the reply, but like l said what tyres are their, what are the options for me, Or do you only do bigger adventure bike stuff only.
Got ya... I would run the Dunlop D606 or the Pirelli MT21 or the Motoz Tractionator Enduro line of tires on the smaller bikes. They are much lighter in weight so the don't suck as much HP from the bike... and they carcass' are softer and more compliant while the lugs are deeper and more flexible. - Kyle
I'm surprised your still suggesting Motoz tires after the amount carcass cracking i have seen and continue to see posted. I ran the GPS in off road position last summer for the CDT trip. The tire had 6000 miles and was done in 2 months. I was surprised that when the tire came of I found multiple cracks on the side wall and in between the treads ( definitely not cuts). The front came off after 10000 miles with 4 cracks in the side wall. Also the front GPS was horrible in soft gravel and soft dirt. A shinko 704 front would have been better.
I am running them on my bikes without issue. Most people I sell them to LOVE them too... As for the cracking I only experience that on my 950 Super Enduro because the rim is too narrow for the tire and it causes excessive bend. Sorry to hear of the abundant cracking you experienced. From what I have seen that is not normal. Now as for the gravel road performance of the GPS front - I am not a fan of that tire at all as I think performs like an 80/20 not a 50/50 and for sure not "mosty off road." I personally pair the ADV front with the GPS Rear in the Mostly Off Road direction. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Kyle you say the AX41 is great on the road but I am curious about the "incomplete" knobs at the end of the thread that are like diagonal, what's is your opinion?
thanks great video as always!
Thank you for your inquiry David. I have leaned this AX41 all the way over on the tarmac... and in the rain with zero issues. It grips really well. Take a look at 4 sections of this video... 1:30 explains the knobs. 12:24 shows a back country road where we get on it... 14:58 shows a 4 lane highway hitting fast corners and 22.:00 show the tire performing in wet weather. czcams.com/video/fMA_8BV7k6M/video.html Hope this clears it up. Thanks for watching. - Kyle
hey kyle, ive watched your review on the GPS tires several times. still need your opinion. of all the reviews out there your opinion carries the heaviest weight, you've tried on all the tires! Just realized you where a bay area native? Im up here in Newark ca, im on a r1250gs, im about 140 lbs 5'6 Im on the anakee adventure, ive done real well on dirt so far. i want to be more capable on dirt but i love the twisties soo much im worried the GPS wont carve as much. My buddy is on a africaT with 805's. Im using him as comparison, we carv twisties. if he can go fast with those tires, i think i can do same pace in the gps. thanks in advance. jason
Small World! Yes, I was raised in Fremont near the Ranch 99 on Decoto and Fremont Blvd and went to church in Newark Haley St in Newark, CA. Dude... for the BEST burritos I used to go to the Tortilla Factory on Thornton / Mongoila and then the Mud Pits out near the Cargill Salt plantation... I've gotten into LOTS OF TROUBLE out there ;)
Now to your question... I have ripped the GPS as hard as I could on my 2008 R1200GSA and never had an issue with lack of traction on pavement. It is a really neat tire! Watch us ripping it up here: czcams.com/video/5LFOI65uXRw/video.html You can see in the street sections it just went as hard as we could push it. Now... in the dirt, air down the GPS to like 18 to 25 lbs (depending on terrain) and you will have just as much off road grip as your buddy on his Shinko 804 / 805's.
If you decide you want to pick up a set, just let me know via IG or FB and I'll get you a deal. Thanks for watching. - Kyle
@@manybikes omg, i jus had a burrito from that tortilla factory, i go there once a week lol. thanks much for the input. i think the shop that i order it from (santa clara cycle) ordered it from chapmoto. i appreciate all your vids, keep it up sir
@@infinion3 NO WAY! Santa Clara Cycle is where I bought my first Bell helmet (3years old) and rode home on the tank of my dads brand new 1979 Kawi KZ1000... we lived in Roxbury Street ... that’s just nuts!
what do you think of the Anlas Capra X?
I have not tried the Anlas Capra X as there is a single importer here in the USA.... and I do not have a relationship with them. They look A LOT like the Mitas E10 tires. As I have found from extensive testing you can not judge a tire by its looks! You have got to put the rubber to the ground in order to really feel HOW it handles. Maybe one day... Thanks for watching!
Thanks. Great information. Hopefully you will do a similar discussion on the Anakee Wild. Like to here your take regarding airing down, sidewall strength, what environment it works best in etc.
Great suggestion! Will have to make this happen! Thanks for watching!
I got about 4800-5k miles out of my AX41 rear on my T7.
That is fantastic!
Thanks for your measurements and opinion! Very useful.
I ended up with a perfect setup:
Motoz Adventure for 650cc (also because can run tubeless)
Motoz RallZ for 250cc.
They are not as hard to install as let's say Dunlop D606. Pretty easy with 3 tyre levers.
The difference between RallZ and Adventure is when going through mud puddle uphill. The RallZ just climb with most awesome traction due to that deep lugs
Great to hear! Happy to be of service!
@@manybikes I am seeing if RallZ can be made tubeless, just pinched the cardboard "separator" from Adventure and stick it in. Will see in a month!
When you say you won’t be able to run the pressure as low with the Bridgestone, isn’t that the same as you won’t have to run the pressure so low to get the improved traction you’re looking for?
No... the sidewall on the AX41 is so soft (like a SportBike tire) I’d be afraid of bending a rim!!! The traction on both is similar...
@@manybikes I love the AX41 so far. How did you get 6000M on the Adventure front without those big central lugs scooping out? Mine went to shit, then vibrated and got loud.
Ive also heard the AX41 is very quiet on road, and also very loud on road, it wears quick, some get 6800 miles on it.
I’m my experience on 4 motorcycles… they are one of the quietest 60%+ dirt knobby tires out there. I got 3100 miles on the BMW just over 2.5k miles on the 390 and the Africa Twin and only 1800 miles out of it on my 1190… throttle problems ;) how others get so many miles baffled me unless they are afraid of the throttle. My bikes should get 45 mpg too and I average 30 ;)
@@manybikes I routinely destroy the back tire on my DR650 in 2000 miles. Its just expected. Spinning in gravel kills em the quickest,even just drifting the bike ruins the tire..........its 35HP..... So I tried running taller gears with traction control engaged on 890R and got 5000 miles on a TKC-80....which is amazing......if you play you gotta pay. If I stay around 4000RPM on street on 890 Ive got over 55 mpg......it can still hustle a backroad at those revs somewhat.
Im planing death vally trip any tire recommendations? Im thinking some karoo3
Oh man.... email me and I’ll send you a list of epic tracks. Check out my most recent video - the Desert HT. That tire worked amazingly... but the RallZ rear is still my go-to.
Ok, the Karoo 3 is a super tire and will suit you well. If you go that route, can I supply it for you?
Karoo 3 probably could be another option in this short list.
For sure!
That's interesting. Scouring the forums most people are saying the Motoz are the loudest tyres they've ever heard. Especially on the bigger bikes like the 1290, 890 etc...
The Desert H/T is the LOUDESET tire I have ever run! BAR NONE.... not even a Dunlop D606 ;) The Adventure and the RallZ are really pretty quiet.
@@manybikes Thanks for clearing that up.
Yes Sir!
Are the Motoz Tires somewhere available in Europe?
Yes They are..
motoz.com.au/where-to-buy/#1469652696511-e1448ab5-ecc1
I just orderd a Desert HT for my 1090 from Adventure Spec. (Only they had a tubeless version of it)
Nice! Thank you for the feedback Nathan.
What was the final mileage of the Bridgestones?
Well... Let me begin with I LOVE these tires! They handle like a Sportbike on the highway / twisties and they grip like a Dirt Bike in the dirt... Front Tire looked "nearly new" when I took them off ... but the Rear Tire lasted 2500 miles on my Africa Twin, just less than that on my KTM 1190 and about 3k miles on my 390 Duke which I had Adventurized... Not a lot of mileage (about the same as the TKC80) but man... they WORK Really Really Well! Hope this helps! - Kyle
Hi Kyle, i wonder which would you choose for dirt/back road and highway ride? I'm between the Shinko 805, Motoz GPS & Motoz Adventure.
Thank you
Motoz Adventure I what I'd choose. The Adventure is much better on-road than the Shinko 805 and will last a little bit longer. The Adventure is much more dirt oriented than the GPS... and will last shorter... but you won't be disappointed with its performance on nor off road. My 2 cents. - Kyle.
@@manybikes thank you!!
Love your work, thank you for sharing it with us.
How was the longevity of the AX41?
Well... I got 2500 miles from the rear. Could have done two rears for the one front. It worked really really well... but wore out a bit quick.
G'day mate! Good vid, very informative. Have you done a comparison on pure street tyres? I've a HD Street 500 which I had in Harley's workshop for a day for some repairs of faults they discovered at 8000 k service. Was told rear tyre was r s and replaced it front ok mileage 11540ks All bitumin Ks Rear Tyre Michelin Scorcher "11" 140/75R15 Always at 42psi cold Front Michelin Scorcher "11" 100/80-17 @ 34 psi cold Checked befor riding My question is Was this good mileage? Also are there better out there? If so what? Thanks in advance 🇦🇺✝🏍👍😘
william raftery thanks for watching! That sounds like decent mileage. The Scorcher tire series was created originally as a “high performance scooter tire” and the line has grown into what it is today. For more mileage I’d suggest the Avon Cobra Chrome tires, the Dunlop American Elite or... brand new the Michelin commander III. The II is great, but the new tire is even better.
Kyle Bradshaw thanks for the reply mate I don't think the ||| is available in Aus as yet as it wasn't offered by HD I'll keep my eyes open for them and hopefully get a front n rear next. Preferably going to a 16 and a tad wider on rear 😂🇦🇺✝🏍👍 Once again thanks for replying n have a good day C U
What are the Tires Brands
Motoz, Bridgestone and Shinko
I am running the AX41s on my R1200GS Rallye. I don't think I will make it to 2500 miles on the rear. I am riding about 70-30. The traction on and offroad is the best I have experienced out of a single tire. Life of tire is not great.
Great feedback. The tire is amazing on & off road on a GS. Mileage is the only unknown obstacle at the moment... Thanks for sharing
Got 3000 miles out of a AX41 on my 1200GSA, 70% of that was pavement (1500 mile full load one-up touring). Great on and off road grip.
So with Bridgestone barley 2000 2500 if so
Yes... about the same as a TKC80 on my same bikes and the style of riding that I do...
How do the ax41s compare to the old tkc80? I found these also give excellent road feel yet are ok off-road as well (xt600z)
I prefer the AX41 over the TKC80 as it is stickier and feels really really good everywhere. The AX41 wears out really really quick though...
@@manybikes Thanks. Even in sandy stuff?
DoubleYouPee in sand they are both comparable... similar results for both tires.
I would love to know what guys are doing to get 5000+ miles out of the Motoz - I am lucky to get 5000 KILOMETERS out of a rear on my 790 ADV, before it is only a street tyre.
Yeah, I get close to 4k and they are WORN OUT! However I had an 890 rider in the other day who had over 8k on his!!! I was blown away. He seems to be a hard rider too. I would imagine the more TC you use... the more rubber you will save too... I ride in Sport Mode with TC OFF and the tires spin a lot and wear quickly ;)
@@manybikes Yes the 790 likes to spin!!!!!
I love the MotOz. Unfortunately what makes them great is a big problem. If you loose the bead on the trail your all done. I just had personal experience. After I got it home it took three shops and finally doing it myself to get the bead back on.
Yes, that is a Tubeless issue for sure! I had the same problem on my 1190 Adv R. Lost a bead at Glamis... starting fluid couldn't even re-set the bead. The problem is that the sidewall of the tire is very stiff and is narrower than the KTM wheels by bout 1/4 to 1/2" and the bead does not make contact with the rim to get that initial seal... so air pressure can begin to build. A tube will push the sidewall out... but tubeless wheels can be a challenge in this area.
Pre grease(waterproof grease) the bead heavy well before putting it on to soften the rubber then put a light layer on the inside of the rim. Its easier to reseat later on if needed when thats done initially, also if poss heat the tire with a hair dryer. Our most tight tires seat up by 35 40 lbs that way, without it 80 90 lbs
Super Wilcox Great feedback!
Tkc80?
Thanks for watching Travis. Yes, the TKC80 is one of the most predictable and most used ADV tire... but it is also the "most used up" Adv tire... and thus the reason EVERYONE is not running it. I'd still be on it... if I could get "at least" 3k miles out of a set. I typically burn through the TKC80 rears betwen 1,800 and 2,300 miles. Not only is it expensive... but the downtime is a bear too. I'd like to see a revamp of the TKC80, Did you here that Conti?! - Kyle
@@manybikes I run mine with a Mitas E07 rear because of this. It will roughly last as long as the tkc80 front
Motoz Desert HT rear for fantastic off road performance and M21 front. On road say 50/50 Motoz Rallz rear and still M21 front.
YES! The MT21 was my favorite front tire for SO LONG! I ran the MT21 up front and the 908 Rally Raid in the rear for the longest time.. LOVE that set-up but it is expensive and the 908 does not last too long. Thus my migration to the Motoz. I do think I like the Desert HT (tubetype) better than the MT21... but it does not lend itself to my now tubeless set-up. Thanks for your comments and thanks for watching. - Kyle
Kyle Bradshaw no worries your product knowledge is very good
I appreciate that
The fraction measurement is insane. Why don't you use milimeters ???
I use both now!
@@manybikes Thank you for your effort.
Decent review. It’s.s pronounced MOTO- Zee. And Mitas pronounced Mee- taws according to manufacturer’s rep. Mefo super explorer for the win.
Kevin Matejovsky I have yet to run a Mefo, but would like to! The Australian’s told me directly it’s Mo-Taz for Moto AU or AZ. Likewise Mitas has suggested Meet-us like Meet-us at Starbucks for a rides. Straight from the companies themselves.
I didn't know that. MOTO - Zee. Interesting. But given they are from Australian heritage, I'm leaving towards MOT-OZ as the original testers here also calls it by that name.
I’ll send you my rear tire with 3700 miles still has a little tread
A photo would be appreciated! Manybikes@gmail.com Thanks!
Shinko ftw i get 8700 miles
out of mine
Wow! That is incredible!
Dude youtube is global...think you can put measurements in imperial and metric?
Since this video I have been using BOTH measurements. See the Motoz Monday playlist for all the Up to Date info on these tires.
@@manybikes Thank you, I went with the Bridgestones in the end as they are about 40% cheaper than the Motoz here in NZ. Actually the Bridgestone's were the cheapest tyre period. Even cheaper than Shinko.
I so wish with the moto z rally tire I put on my 890R worked like yours did............Im taking it off after 1 ride............the noise and vibration is beyond intense. The worst Ive ever tried in a long career ...at 70mph the shriek is insane....the entire bike vibrated so hard from footpegs to seat to bars to mirrors............I am kinda pissed I believed a review and paid 240.00 for it............now I will have to dump it cheap........buyer beware is all I can say.............you get what you get.
Front and rear? Or just rear? Was balance an issue? The Rallz rear tire is amazing. I like the Dual Venture tire better… As for noise, the Rallz is not noisy on the 950 nor the 1190. What pressures were you running?
@@manybikes I ran the motoz just on the rear,and left it at 34psi as it came from the tire mounter...............so I will try it at 30psi today and see what that does........honestly the mirrors were really blurred,the seat was buzzing at high frequency,same with bars...........they balanced it same as any tire they do for me........Gotta say it shoots a Huge Roost in the dirt and flattracks much better................I raced flattrack for 10 years as a younger person.
@@bradsanders6954 I’ve always wanted to try flattrack. The situation you are experiencing is really strange. I’ve never had any tire so that and definitely not a Motoz. Is the bead even all the way around? Does the tire look smooth when spun by hand, or does it have the appearance of bouncing?
Top adventure riding instructors do not advise to "Air down"
A topic of conversation for sure... Some suggest to set it and forget it. Others recommend severe air down... I personally find it all really depends on the bike, the load, the tire and the terrain. There isn't a single tire that performs the same on a 1200GS, 1290 KTM, KLR 650 or a DRZ400. All bikes can run the same ADV tire with very different results. Thanks for watching! - Kyle
@@manybikes I am using the factory original tires on my 2018 Honda CRF250L Rally but some day they will need replacing.
It is always worth watching tire videos to be informed.
This video had a valid argument about air pressures.
czcams.com/video/1PJ9NpzezwM/video.html
:)
Thanks for sharing!
1:09 to 1:35 he says "Air Down A Lot" in either deep sand or jagged rocks. We have LOTS of those two terrains here, that is for sure! I am unsure how I missed this episode as I am subscribed to the MotoTrek channel...
@@manybikes There are so many variables involved - what tire - terrain - bike weight - type of motorcycle - horsepower - rider ability - etc. There is no perfect answer. ;)
5000 or even 7000 isn't a lot i know people who change every 1000+ nothing really happens
I imagine you mean 10,000 - Yes, I have gone more than 10K miles on a Heidenau K60 Scout, a set of Bridgestone Excedra tires and a set of Motoz GPS tires.
Fucking hell I hate freedom units. Comparing tread depth with different fraction denominators. Millimeters is so much more simple
Sorry Borge... I should myself convert to the metric system... but growing up here in the USA these measurements in inches, feet and yards is what am more comfortable with. I'll work on it, you have my word. Thanks for watching. - Kyle
@@manybikes Sorry for the rage, was not directed at you as I'm sure it's what you've been brought up on, simply at the fact countries still use and teach imperial rather than metric.
Borge Totally Understood! No offense taken. Metric is way simpler...