And WE Are The Rowdy Ones?! Americans React To "Britain's Most HATED Subculture"
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one thing finished football violence. ECSTASY and the rave culture we would rather spend the night dancing than fighting🤩🤩🤩
That and police cameras 😂
Once they started identifying weeks/months after it all calmed down unless it was a pre-arranged meet up away from the stadium ofc
there has been cameras at football matches from the early 70s they were easy to spot it was a van with a 10ft pole with a camera stuck on the top .Plus in the video they are being filmed and attacking the police it didnt seem to stop them. most of the people i knew grew out of it and settled down and had kids it was there wifes stopped them wasting money.😮💨😮💨 @@martzp5535
True
I used to live round the corner from a football stadium. I was no football fan. There was a “serious incident 🔪 ” outside the stadium and the police were arresting everyone within the vicinity of the entrance. I was walking past at the time was cuffed, arrested and put in the police van with a load of drunk hooligans. I was 17 wearing a Megadeath Tshirt and full length black leather coat 😂. I actually thought I was going to be eaten (“eaten” as in beaten so badly you look chewed up) when they were booking us in at the station I said to the officer at the desk “do I look like I just been to a f***ing football match” 😂😂😂
dibble used to take out all their pent up hatred on football lads as they couldn't baton or CS "normal" criminals. We were fair game due to the press and media
@@philhebden374They still do mate
Well, you could have been my twin - I used to wear exactly the same! However, I have a similar story - Euro 2004, I worked for a corporate and "won" a pair of tickets to Portugal. I hate football, but the Euro's were a big thing so I invited my mates and we all went - me and one on a freebee, the others paying. Well... that tournament was famous for its violence and rioting. Especially where we were staying (Albufeira). The police just "creamed" an area - regardless of who you were, how much you tried to look innocent - if you were in that street - they beat the crap out of you. I got a beating for trying to stop a cop beating a father in front of his 8 year old son. Don't get me wrong - I witnessed LOTS of English being complete pricks - even digging up pavement tiles to make "ammo" for that nights riots - but the police simply didn't even try to figure out who was who. I get that police in certain situations NEED to be ultra aggressive. BUT... families and quiet drinkers doing nothing? That's not a training ground. I'd love to have had those cops drug tested at the time.... pretty sure the local PD would know where the missing cocaine had gone....
Wonder why I don't believe that at all what ground was it & no one mentions it as a stadium & they would never of arrested you like that you've watched to many films 😂
@@Colin-ro6lh believe whatever you like pal. Gillingham football ground either 1998 or 1999. Dozens of fans were kicking off outside so the police grabbed everyone they could. Found out the next day someone had lost their life
When I was young there were several distinct groups of people - punks, skinheads, bikers, mods, hippies and casuals. I used to mainly hang around with punks and bikers because although they looked like 2 of the more aggressive groups most of them were just out to have a few drinks and a laugh. One of the least aggressive looking groups were the casuals, with all their expensive clothes they looked like the sort of guys your mum would approve of but the reality was that a lot of them were football hooligans who were more interested in fighting.
Those were the days. 16 years old on my Yamaha Fizzy with a Man City scarf in Merseyside! :)
still a biker today
@@markbrown4127 yep, got an R1200 and an old R65LS
Bikers were greasers. Don’t forget the New Romantics 😹
Everyone has forgotten them.
A few famous Quotes....unknown german author
"The inhabitants are extremely proud and overbearing. They care little for foreigners, but scoff and laugh at them".
(Describing visit to England by Frederick, Duke of Wurttemberg in 1592)
p. j. o’rourke
"Mortar fire is to be preferred, of course, to British sports fans."
bill burford - author of "among the thugs"
"Someone shouted that we were all English. Why are we running? The English don't run. And so it went on. Having fled in panic, some of the supporters would then remember that they were English and this was important, and they would remind the others that they too were English, and this was important, and with renewed sense of national identity, they would come abruptly to a halt, turn around, and charge the Italian police".
(upon witnessing English football hooligans fighting a pitched battle with the Italian police, Sardinia 1990)
jean froissart (1333-1410) - french poet
"The more blood they shed, the crueller and more ruthless they become. They're fiery and furious, they quickly grow angry and take a long time to calm down".
(Witnessing the character of English troops as they advanced through France in the 15th century)
ord admiral horatio nelson
"First, you must implicitly obey orders… Secondly, you must consider every man as your enemy who speaks ill of your King... And thirdly, you must hate a Frenchman as you do the devil".
(Giving advice to a new recruit on how to survive in the Royal Navy)
emmanuel van meteren - dutch merchant
"The people are bold, courageous, ardent and cruel in war. But very inconstant, rash, vainglorious, light and deceiving. And very suspicious, especially of foreigners, whom they despise".
The original The Firm came out in 80s and stars Gary oldman. Worth a look
the only football film worth watching ..........so you want to go to europe dominic ....what the fk av we got to do with scotland son , it proves i stood , well michael looks like ur gonna need some more plastic surgery ...... over ...over ...over ..........great movie really
I starred in that film 🎥
Well ....
In the film they do a scene outside Shelhurst park ( they call it a different name in the film) anyway they go inside the ground as they're filming and Palace are playing Man City , I'm in the away end. 😂
Classic especially the hotel room scene
Growing up there was a guy I walked past every day on my way home from school who wore an eye patch and me being me I stared, he started giving me a nod to say hello and eventually I asked him what happened and he said he lost his eye during a tear up after the football. I never became a hooligan.
Used to go out with a bloke from Liverpool who supported Liverpool FC, went to loads of games around the country, remember going to LFC and MUFC match at Old Trafford without a ticket, plenty of tickets for sale outside the ground but all gone from the LFC end so had to go to MUFC side to buy a couple. Whenever we went without a ticket he would always bring 2 scarves, one for LFC obvs and the other for the other team so we could blend in if we ever had to buy tickets from them.
Luckily I'm from Yorkshire so a similar accent to Manchester so had to do the asking as he would've been pummelled to the ground as he had a broad scouse accent. Remember this particular match vividly, I approached a ticket tout, asked for 2 tickets, he looked at us both and said, "Your fellas a mute is he?" I grinned and said, "He's my lift home, sell us a ticket" He did but said, "That scarf ain't fooling noone mate now fxxx off out of ere" and winked at me. Phew, got out of there in one piece. 😂
I'm impressed by how well u guys got it, it's totally a tribal thing. Tbh we Brits are a pretty warlike people's as I'm sure our old Empire is testament to. Historically we've always been warring somewhere so I guess it's in the genes.
I've made this point on other videos, about our genetic make up, you are spot on.
You have Celtic, Pictish, Roman, Anglo Saxon, Viking and Norman genes, mix them all together and you've got someone looking for a fight.
@@pauldurkee4764That’s what I think. Maybe we should have national service again. It might help, don’t you think?
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I'm not sure on that one, the armed forces probably wouldn't want most of the young people today, and all the services have shrunk in scale dramatically.
I was over in Merica a few years back training with your troops and got to a Dallas game. Loved the atmosphere before the game, tailgate I think they called it, essentially a pre game party. Could never happen in the UK.
They don't really have the tribal feeling, it's like rugby league in the UK, I used to go leeds games when they played at home on a friday and we stood in the away end cos it was easier to get the bar, could drink in the stand and have friendly banter with the away fans. Apart from hull, they were animals and would always turn into fisticuffs
Football hooliganism going abroad was always so embarrassing and disgraceful 😫😫😫. Not good and mortifying and gave us all a bad name when most of us condemned it.
I remember when in 1990 we as England fans were put on an island when the World Cup was in Italy cos they were so scared of what they thought we’d do on the mainland! We were escorted by masses of Police through the town and the town was deserted, windows were boarded up such was the fear. We felt good tbh we were special in our young eyes. All the firms joined together for the tournament. Unfortunately our PM Thatcher had had enough of us and called us animals and anyone who was arrested for what they called ‘violent disorder’ in future was banged up in prison. This stopped all the agg for a long while. Then ecstasy came along and everyone was suddenly into rave music and getting whacked off their tits instead of fighting. Great days though while it lasted and we had a right buzz
How do you think we built an Empire
Next year,I enter my 8th decade and still have a season ticket for Millwall, who were mentioned, frequently,in this video. During The "Wild West" days of The 1970s/1980's, I visited 84 different grounds with them and through a combination of luck, street instinct and judgment,I avoided all trouble though has plenty of near misses during the 1,770 matches,I have attended,thus far.
My Grandad, Dad and now my family are Millwall, am a very proud Dockers Daughter. Just hearing Thatchers name still makes me angry. come On You Lions 🦁
@@MrsMillwall Well said Mrs M.:)
Came down to millwall with Norwich last friday I wish our atmosphere was like the den proper in your face hostile absolutely superb proper club and fans
Funny how no one wants to say about the timing of ecstasy pills arriving to British shores in 89 with the collapse of hooliganism the way it was.
I've had and know of people who've had relationships finish due to football. Anything from time not being spent at home due to dedication following the club, financial strains, getting into trouble with the law, addictions etc. Think its fair to say there's cases of that in every club pretty much all over the world to be fair.Gotta remember that over here Football isn't a hobby, these clubs are peoples religions
Thatcher was awful. Hypocrisy at it's highest. She soon wanted the young men of this nation to go out in the world. Rally round the flag then go out to commit war crimes. And we wouldn't of got banned from Europe (Hyssel) If it wasn't for her. She got us banned. Bless and Takecare
Heading over to European games on the continent the fans were exposed to high end designer casual clothes and this together with a select choice of trainers (sneakers) became the uniform for the average firm. Casuals as they became to be known were meticulous with their fashion choice and branding from Fila, Lacoste, Kappa, Ellese were adorned as 'one-up-manship' in unison often with Adidas Samba. It's a uniform that cascaded into mainstream youth and pretty much from the early to late 80's to be seen you had to have a good set of casual brands. We still exist today, most of us now heading into our 50's. But you can walk a mall or supermarket and pick up on the Samba wearing middle aged guy quite quickly, it's something that never quite leaves you.
An everything you said is pretty much against what actually dressers do. 😉😉
28:04 A group called " The Streets " (Whole rabbit hole too that) did a track called: "Geezers Need Excitement" that taps into that same energy as you say. Bang on.
I love that David Icke made a quick appearance there 😂
They featured the same clip twice:)
for those who are involved no explanation is needed, for those not involved no explanation is possible
Ecstasy had loads to do with the chilling out of firms ..... during the rave scene people were loved up and embraced cultural and geographical difference
Still never got the problem with E, if they made it legal and safe fuck why not. Chuck them a couple and they will just be hugging each other.
Nowadays it's all coke and alcohol round here, even weed is class B if you just want to have a smoke to relax... but I'm allowed to drink myself into blackout then go out looking for a fight. Makes sense.
@@dan226343 You can always spot the person who's been bugling the Charlie... They're the ones talking about themselves rather loudly 😂😂😂. Completely agree with you Dan. I think, over here, the coppers took the view that "If they're dancing in a field, they're not out robbing or fighting!" Makes perfect sense when you think about it. Merry Christmas to you both btw!
@@daviddring2365 Wish they were the same here, small town so they need to look busy and get numbers I'm guessing.
Merry Christmas to you too!
@@dan226343 exactly, glad you mentioned alcohol which is a much more dangerous drug than some of the illegal ones.
@@lorddoosworth8175 Just trying to get off it now after taking the piss in my 20's and I don't disagree with you. It's as ugly as getting off any drug.
Two of those newspaper headlines are referring to one or both of Middlesbrough - Darlington in the F.A. Cup in 83 (I think). I was at both games, a draw at Ayresome and a win for Darlo at Feethams. The Middlesbrough fans famously set fire to the train they were travelling home in. Quite an exciting couple of nights for a 12 year old me. The second game I helped clear the pitch of snow so the game could be played.
I've never really been 'that' into football, but have worked with many who are. The organisers of the violence always surprised me. I knew a Chelsea fan who booked fights - he was on the board of Directors for a major UK financial company. I knew a Director at Millwall - who also booked fights for his club. And his wife would not sleep with him unless he came home with "war wounds".... What I am saying is - the organisers are not thugs, or idiots. They are intelligent, successful men (and women) who love violence. Yes, the average street thug is their pawn, but they are as much a victim as anyone else. They actually carry business cards and exchange them in pubs to organise next weeks "ruck"... usually one for the thugs (to distract the police) and then the real one. In the pub they laugh and joke together... on the street they try to kill each other. Pleased to say I never slipped into that culture. Just having long hair got me into enough fights to fill my quota! But the organisers are high end Finance, Law, IT etc.... the street thugs are just to distract the police and media.
What an absolute load of rubbish!! Lol
You're right, it's had to be increasingly organised because of the police interventions.
Which in my eyes, if there's 2 groups of people who want and consent to fight eachother, then where is the crime.
@@lampey6198 The bystanders, the people who have no idea the pub they are having a drink in is about to be attacked, the family on the train station where it all kicks off... if they pick a field and go for it there? Fine - WELCOME, even. But the corner of a busy city street? I agree - if two groups of people want to decide who is higher on their pathetic little pecking order want to agree a "date".. no problem - let them. Out of town, in a field. I was attacked outside a pub once, and beat the crap out of the guy. His mate, half my size, stepped in and broke my nose just to stop the fight. The police asked my to press charges and I said no... we were two consenting adults (three!!!) in a fight. So I get what you are saying. But Mob / mass violence gets others caught up in it, whether they like it or not. THAT I disagree with. And it trickles to distant train / bus stations, people being followed home etc... its not "just" the fight, its the organisation and commitments behind the fight (s).
This all happened at the Rugby League games, violence on a smaller level but still a very lively time seen some serious battles with the Rugby League fans back in the day.
Never new that but also doesn’t surprise me actually! What years was that prevalent ?
@@herb2078 1970s,80s and early 90s. Still get abit of crowd trouble with rival fans having mobs, crews firms in the 2000s but it's not nowhere near as relevant now. All Northern towns and Cities involved at that time.
I'm Leeds. and remember the good days. Wore Pringle, Lyle and Scott, wolsey, Tacchini, Fila BJ, Lacoste, Stone Island(my favourite), even had the CP company jacket worn by hugh grant in about a boy🤣. Thing to remember is it was about belonging, a tribe, we worked all week in good jobs to afford the clothes and the tickets then on a saturday we let loose. I was never a fighter but was proud of the city proud of the club.
Very early 80s all that.
Or 2005
@@tganet7123 I still wear Lyle & Scott and Lacoste.
@mana3735 I've worn all of the above at some point. Just meant the casual look went back to an 80s look in early 2000s
@@tganet7123 Some makes didn't have a good comeback...like Slazenger.
Football hooligan film from 1995, I.D. You gotta watch it!
I guess Newcastle must have been playing in London because one day I was riding my bike in clapham and stopped to go to the shop. As I was locking my bike up there was a group of about fifty gordies walking towards me and I guess the wind had made my hair stick up because one of them pointed at me and said, “he’s got a pineapple on his head!” and they all as one started chanting it at me. I tried to walk off and they followed me chanting and pointing, eventually I tried to run into a supermarket and they followed me in and cornered me and I had to endure a good ten minutes of being totally surrounded and serenaded by these complete mentalists 😂 mad lads 😂😂
To be fair: they didn't punch your pineapple repeatedly. I have reason to like Newcastle.
In the early 80's I went to see my team in a League cup game at Newcastle. There were only 2 turnstiles open, and the hooligan I was with said: 'Follow me." I stuffed my scarf into my jacket when ````i realised we were paying into the home (Gallowgate) end. Holligan took me to a pair of policeman on the touchline, pulled my scarf out a bit, and said we'ed made a mistake. We got a police escort to the away end; and said hello to the Bradford City bench on the way.
Luton fan... we want our seats back 😂
the two videos on here you need to check out are the battle of marsailles where its english vs russians battling across the streets, and the Rangers riots in manchester, where scotland had hundreds of thousands of rioters running ruiot, in manchester but in reality it also happened in liverpool and blackpool the biggest football riot in history
There's a great song by Ralph McTell called the Lost Boys that kind of explores that point towards the end of the video.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. I'm so glad you two are educating outside the US America. Wonderful xx❤
One advantage to National Service, is that people from around the country were forced o mix. Without it tribalism set in
In the 70's, as a teenager (15-17), I used to travel to games with my local team, Cardiff City. I thought I was so hard, running through the streets, chanting and shouting at the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea, West Ham and Millwall fans...but I was just a boy and the first time things got very heavy (at Millwall, as I recall) with weapons involved and - the thing that finally decided for me that I didn't really like this - seeing one man kicked to pieces by a group of 10 or more fans. After that, I always felt that, if people really wanted to fight, then maybe, after a match, the pitch could be covered with a tarpaulin and both sets of fans could set about each other without endangering anyone else. Maybe even give them a selection of hand weapons. I don't think many hooligans would show up the following week. And the TV companies would have paid billions to film and broadcast the gladiator style fun!
D'Glester Hardunkichud is a Fandabbadooza of a name, Fandabbadooza is a word I use for the right occasion
In england, away days the best days. Most sought after tickets too
It’s not only the British now. Every country that has football in its blood has lunatic’s running around. Now maybe the British invented the football hooligans but it spread. Now if you want a ruck, we’re ever go in Europe you will easily find it. Especially during international tournaments. The police both at home and in Europe have a good handle on these Ferrell clans, but it’s still there. The Hillsborough tragedy was more to do with a complete breakdown of policing than anything else. But the coverup by the police and government still leave bitterness in the communities it effected and will forever. For the British people for those that didn’t already know, the British establishment is as corrupt as any government or despot dictatorship. But that’s for another day.
My mother was so worried when I became 'Mag Mad' - a Newcastle United supporter. Her 14 year-old daughter was going to the matches where hooliganism was rife. The 80s were mayhem within football.
Give the hoolies their due, though, they rarely attacked 'non-combatants'. Some blokes were tribal and up for a fight and actually coordinated battles. Most of us never saw it. We went to the match, left after it and got home in one piece.
"I'm in The Gallowgate End, mam. We just chant and sing songs, then skip off before the mayhem ensues,". But, she was never convinced that I was safe until one day, Millwall rocked up.
That mob were bell-ends. There was trouble 'before' the match. I walked up towards The Strawberry and there were missiles flying, indiscriminately; the mounted police were swinging batons and ... I turned round and went back home. My mother asked me why I was back home so soon. In short, I told her "I saw bother, bugger that!".
She was pretty phlegmatic about me going to the matches, after that. She believed that I was 'safe', after that, even at away games (which followed 4 years later).
As a non-combatant, I can honestly say that The West Ham hoolies were gentlemen. Spurs mentalists, likewise. Wolves fans were Labrador puppies and Leeds lads would cordon you off, while kicking several colours of sh*t out of anyone who hampered your progress towards safety.
There was a 'code' within the madness. But, it WAS madness. Genuinely, I know two fire and rescue lads, one police officer, two teachers, one surgical nurse (bloke) and several 'forces' personnel who were 'up for it'. All of them, except those who are no longer with us - RIP - look back on the whole 'hoolie' era as being the best of times... before it was 'spoilt' by those who didn't know 'the code'.
They inspired psychopaths. They could not control 'the rules of engagement'. The monster they created was out of control. Ordinary football fans went through the crucible of fire. Ordinary football fans were were crushed against the fences which were deemed to be necessary, in order to keep 'warring factions' apart.
Actions have consequences. Who'd have thunk? Now that we are inoculated, we are 'tut-tutting' at the folks we infected - Johnny Foreigner.
Here endeth my ramble. Newcastle are 1-0 up against Milan. Have you ever seen a Mackem in Milan?
Edit: We lost, 1-2. Hey ho!
A good synopsis and many salient and pertinent points. From a Millwall "Bell End" who enters his 8th decade next season and visited 84 different grounds, mainly in The "Wild West" days of the 1970/1980s. Thus far,I have attended around 1,770 matches and through a combination of luck, street, instinct, and judgment have never been involved: but plenty of near misses, though...
Newcastle has been my 2nd team since your Inter-Cities Fairs Cup win against Upjest Dozia in 1969 in front of THe Gallowgate.
@@Isleofskye If you were never involved, you were a Millwall supporter and not one of the mob of bell-ends. 😘
@@graceygrumble That's Amazing Grace,Thank You.
Felicitations:)
@@Isleofskye i saw what you did there. You are still, for all your years, a SSB! 😆
Why 'Isle of Skye'?
Apart from the fact that it is one of the most beautiful places on planet earth, why is that your moniker?
If it is because you live there, after escaping, I need an invite! x
@@graceygrumbleHI. Well, I am .normally, called many things, especially when I was at The Racetrack but never an "SSB" which Google informs me is a single sideband modulation in radio communication. lol What is it, please, Gracey? My years. Well, will be 70 next year but my live-in platonic Ladyfriend is 45 years young as is The Lady that I am visiting for around the 1,000th time(literally) on Sunday, as a single guy, all my life in London. Keeps me young:)
I did escape from Inner London, where I was born and lived for 29 years but only 11 miles to the very edge of S E London and Kent to this house I bought in 1983. I absolutely love it here. It is very safe with 76 Open spaces within a 6 miles radius. I am 70 yards from a 185-acre park and can get to the Countryside easily but also I regularly go back to London like Millwall tomorrow and seeing that Lady on Sunday.
I am sure you would be welcomed anywhere Gracey and 15 years ago, I heard the Beautiful and poignant "Skye Boat Song" and chose that moniker though I have no connection with Scotland let alone that lovely Island😀
Take Care.
Where are you based?
You nailed it lads, Thatcher paved the way for gentrification & monetisation at the expense of true football fans from the middle & lower classes. The premier league may have a better quality of football but I guarantee if you asked anyone who went to games in the 70s, 80s & 90s they would tell you that they by far preferred to go to games back then when it was still far more accessible & every aspect of it wasn't so tightly controlled
You nèed to watch The Firm with Gary Oldham, I.D. with Reece Dinsdale and Green Street with Frodo (Elijah Wood).... while you are there, also watch Essex Boys (there some footy hooligans in that too, although a side issue).
wonders if you have seen shrove Tuesday football at Ashbourne . No rules .
Used to love going to the match as a mid teenager to early 20s.
With the start of the Premier league in 1992, Policeman were taken away from inside the football grounds and replaced with men and women stewards, also in the Championship league too (old second division). I was one and it was more family friendly except for Millwall where there were still some bad riots.
Football Factory is such a funny film. Also has a very poignant scene with two old men who fought in WW2
The Cockney Rejects,a punk band that sang about fighting at West Ham matches
the vast majority of us teenagers in the 80s that wore that look ..we called it Jazz Funkers in South London , i know QPR ( not the Chelsea boys because they were South London too ) boys were calling it Casual much earlier than us , but it was still the same look .
It was working class fashions of the time ,and it moved double quick ,what was in one week had been replaced the next ! But it wasnt just football , there was no such thing in South London as football Casual ! , We were all Casuals ,Black , White it all was street fashion from the Soul Boy scene , loads of lads who were Soulboys /Funkatiers ! wore the look
Anyway the majority of of us run up and down the road a bit , someone got hit ,someone threw a punch , most of us just charged about ! Thats the truth !
Stabbings and slashings were rare ( it was going to Luton away ,with the amount of slashings , made me realise , yeah , i`m a lover not a slasher ! )
That sexy looking skinhead in the thumbnail is Jax from Sons of Anarchy.
From the film Green Street.
Football was once banned after a game in Norwich saw 80 players killed.
Soccer comes from the posh abreviation of assiation football or SOCCA. 5:36
You guys should definitely watch “The Firm” 2009 I believe it released.. that’s pretty much what it was like back in the day- I’m glad it’s calmed down a lot now with cameras everywhere etc
I like the argument that team sports are the safe alternative to actual wars between neighbouring towns and villages. That maybe we don't have the culture of feuds and revenge-taking that Albania has, or the occasional armed battles that take place between clans in the highlands of KwaZulu, because we started scoring points with pigs' bladders instead. Because local rivalries and hatreds are just natural more or less, but team sports allow that to be channeled into a form where people don't get killed, usually.
I can see how these kind of borough or county-based football teams and local loyalty around them doesn't necessarily map onto US grid-plan cities and towns. Maybe the more organic road-plans of European cities allows for more local identity and the feeling that a given district of London or Birmingham or wherever can be like it's own distinctive town within the wider city, especially with the corner shops and shopping "high streets" in every few square miles, a stretch of an ordinary road in a suburb where the houses all host shops for that neighbourhood so you needn't travel outside that neighbourhood for all your groceries, or your church, and of course not for your pub. So the fiercest rivalries are always the local ones, between teams in adjoining catchment areas. The hometown "Derby" matches.
I don't know if this is your gig or not, because it's an American documentary, but it's relevant in that another questionable thing we invented in the UK which got exported around the world is Skinhead. But there's this particular doc on YT called "Anti-Racist Skinheads Fighting Nazis: The Baldies" on the Twin Cities PBS YT channel that I find pretty moving. There's also a bunch of Skinhead movies, but they usually don't really go into the subculture and where it came from, as opposed to focussing on a skinhead character and the trouble he gets into. The part that appeals to me, apart from a generational thing because I grew up on Ska and Punk, is the feature of working-class pride. Because working class people deserve to have pride in their class and not be looked down on and treated worse than better-off people, who aren't at all better people in spiritual terms.
The UK 🇬🇧 can be the most friendly place on earth and also the most violent.
It can kick off at the drop of a hat and if football ⚽️ is involved it's a whole different game.
It's not quite as bad these days but a couple of decades ago it was mental.
God I miss the 80's and 90's do much.
He says the Tottenham riots, the main riots were in 81 there were over 70 towns and cities accross the country that had riots, all sparked off over a house fire in South London, leading to the Brixton riots that lasted days. I am surre you would find it interested looking in to the riots of 81, thos who lived through it will never forget it.
I had lived my first 27 years just 2 miles from Brixton in one direction and 2 miles from Central London in the other direction. After 5 generations of my family living there,I knew that things were going to get much worse as I saw it, all around me, and the following year in 1982,I bought a house just 11 miles away in The Suburbs but just 1/2 mile from a S E London postal district and moved in 1983 so 40 tears ago and, in all respects, it was a great decision and move though my heart will always be in Inner South East London and I go back all the time, like tomorrow but could never live there again, sadly. Back on Saturday for Millwall,as well.
@@Isleofskye I remember driving through Moss Side with my step dad a day or so after the riots, the smell of burning has always stayed with me, the place was in ruin. Literally 1981 is a very significant year in British history.
@@willrichardson1809 Thanks Will. It was for me as well, as I loved Inner London so near to everything but that allied to the fact that, one day, fate decreed, that I got on the wrong commuter train and did the journey to The Suburbs in 23 minutes and I, spontaneously, persuaded my Mum that we should move and we bought this house in 1982 ( Mum died in 1996) and we moved n on the 9th May 1983 and it was been a brilliant move just 11 miles away and I still go back frequently like tomorrow night and football on Saturday as my heart is still there after 40 years away.
I worked in a big carpet shop in Southampton in the 1980's and one Saturday afternoon after the match at the Dell, the Man United fans went through the shop on their way down to the train station and smashed the shop up completely.
I remember my Dad being sat in a traffic jam near the football ground and the fans would just walk over people car bonnets when they crossed the road. They were proper knuckle draggers back then.
scum fans were soft, that's why they did that. the so called "red army" 90% of the time were on their toes if they got fronted
It wasn't just about violence, it was about friendship, sport, adrenaline, chaos, danger, humour and risky adventure. To think that risking getting your head smashed in was felt to be 'fun' speaks a lot about working class life in the UK. Still it did give you youth cultures and fine music and fashions that go with it.
the comment about the vikings might ring a bit true as well. The Anglo-Saxons were a warrior race and if you take away Christianity are very similar to their cousin across the North Sea. maybe it's more deep rooted then we would like to admit!
Look into the winter of discontent that fuelled a lot of hate towards the government it was a nightmare I lived it
One aspect I am not sure was covered here, was the politicising of football hooliganism. Many right-wing, nationalist organisations sought to exploit the hooligans, give them a channel for their violence etc..
Football factory, green Street and the firm all brilliant films
The original gary oldman firm yes. watch fight club and reimagine it as lads joining firms instead of city wide clubs.
I’m 36 years old with a dad , Nan (yes Nan) uncle, cousin, brother sisters ect ect!! Cousin would fight other cousins on a Saturday but sit down for a Sunday lunch on Sunday! True story. I’m a massive rugby player and watcher but in London, family will fight each other. Even as a kid, I would say pussys, play rugby with me loool
I’m really really sorry my spelling is not understanding x love the channel tho
I remember many years ago in Italy the police would use the British flag on the map of Italy and placed where they would think more police would be needed
The main guys in the firms,at home and abroad are in touch most of the time it's an organized fight ,and usually some business deals
Football Factory's International watch that digest that.
I'm from Stoke-on-Trent and we had one of the craziest firms the Naughty 40.
Greatest British film with hooligans, is rise of the footsoldier. Great film.
I live in Manchester and about 30 years ago my right ear was bitten off at the Manchester Derby, put me in hospital. I don't like football but I was in the wrong pub
Yous didn't even notice David Icke @11.35
As a lad from essex in the 80s following a London side,I never felt football as a release for my woes. I was just young and liked a fight.
Football violence is very much like gang violence. Moronic, gutless shit committed by gutless morons. Hit and run alot of it. I saw so many innocent people hurt. Of all ages, against all ages. Sad and pathetic really. Especially when you think you have families going out for a day of sport. Then end up in hospital or worse. Pathetic. Bless and Takecare from U.K.
Guy on the left, you are look a hell of a lot healthier since I last seen this channel. Well done 👍
I so love British accents. From super posh Queen's English to hardly understandable Scotish. lol. But according to my English teacher back in the days, I speak American. Oh, she hated that! "Speak proper English!" lmao
When they're organised, given costumes and sent on holiday to the continent ; they're called the British Army.
You don’t realise some of these hooligans were lawyers business men , even police caught at one time
I’m a Burnley fan and would regularly stand near our ‘firm’ at the football back in the day.
My father went to see his local team in the 1930s. A huge fight started with bottles and bricks flying. He decided to watch speedway instead. His local team were Milwall.
they always fought my grandfather (born 1906) said they (working class) doffed their caps all week at the bosses/upper classes and at the footie matches they were free to do what they want - swear - get pissed - argue and have a good scrap it was their release
They are showing some clips from the movie Green Street Hooligan with Elijah Woods and Charlie Hunnam.
You should watch it!
We are an island fighting nation!! Its in our DNA!!!
D'Glester Hardunkichud seems like a man of the people, as ex-Forces. '1' is a bit of a knob :D
you should check out green street, football factory, this is England, Cas, the firm all movies about this
First time hearing an American say "Tesco" and I helped one getting her a discount with my Tesco clubcard lmao...
First pub I ever worked in Millwall fans were there, they trashed the town , the whole high street, Windows smashed!
Island mentality, conquered 2/3rds the world tbf
england invented football, england invented football hooligans, makes sense. millwall wore surgical masks, my dentist did some intern work there when he was training, he seriously asked me if they were medical students. well they do surgery i said but they havent got medical training
Couple movie reactions for a follow up: This Is England, The Football Factory, Green Street but only the 1st one…and then you will have a good understanding of it
Ultras are Hooligans, it’s just the continental name for what the UK call Firms.
look at the years the UEFA cup compitions were formed still alot of anger from WWII and there still is ..which you have seen in some videos look at eastern european clubs they love a scrap and fire lol
Like at villa park the other week?
@@Rachel_M_ midlands live totally in the past i can not comment on those scenes midlands police are know for being gits
@@leedavies4589 I'm originally from the Midlands and can remember the West Midlands Serious Crime Squad, Birmingham 6, Bridgewater 4.......
You don't need to tell me. How corrupt they are.
I'M FROM ENGLAND AND I LOVE FOOTBALL. WE CALL OUR GAME (FOOTBALL) BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME THE BALL IS KICKED WITH THE FOOT HENCE THE NAME FOOTBALL. SOMETIMES IT IS HEADED. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY YOUR (NFL) IS CALL FOOTBALL WHEN MOST OF THE TIME THE PLAYERS CARRY THE BALL. (LIKE WHAT YOUR DOIN GUYS). KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. (TAKE IT EASY)
Do a review on the movie Green Street Hooligan, really good gateway to know about organised hooligan in England.
It’s fight club that got out of hand 😂
THEY DIDNT SHOW THIS ON USA TV IN CASE IT WENT OVER THERE, MIND YOU I RECON USA BLANKED A LOT OF TV IN THOSE DAYS
when i was a teenager many Decades ago my uncle used to take me to the football matches in london...on one occasion we went to SE london to watch a millwall game where there was lots of trouble at the peak of the football violence...these were the days when we were still standing(thankfully) since then the stadiums are all seated and more secure, with the hoolingan culture pretty much eradicated now 🙏
As I enter my 8th decade next May and have attended Millwall games for over 60 years,I would have, almost, certainly, been there as I only missed 6 Home games in 30 years between 1962-1993 at THe OLD Den until they moved 1/2 mile down the road.I still have a season ticket and will be there on Saturday:)
You guys need to watch films called The Football Factory. Green Street , and AwayDays.
You guys should check out Red Dwarf. The absolute best of British banter
It was the exact opposite of what he said. As the violence increased, the older people stopped going to the matches.
I'm a die hard Westham and Orient fan, and myself and the majority if Brits are embarassed and ashamed at the behaviour of our lads abroad, it was a small amount of the fans and it's not something that most of us are proud of.
Personally I don’t like the fighting but I love the casual/ ultra culture. The match days is what they wait all week for.
The Copa90 CZcams channel has made some amazing videos about lesser known derbies from around the world if you’re interested.
Two completely separate things
I am an American, and the only sport I have ever felt passionate about has been Pro Wrestling
I never felt the same way about team sports because I am too much of a loner for team sports
My Dad was a Teddy Boy in the early 50’s in Lewisham, South London. They loved to go to the dance halls and Jive. They all carried knives. They were also very racist. Then he went to fight in Korea.
As a scot, you need to emphasise that this was england fans, not scotland. wales or irish, not all british are hooligans.
Makes me wonder if the government had something to do with the disasters
Live in America now grew up in Yorkshire. All my mates Leeds fans you wouldn’t believe the shit that wen down . Then they moved on to extacy like the guy said above. Still doing that now I think at 55 years old 😂
Keep your eye out in the summer at European championships. It’s different to the World Cup because so many fans travel. It Germany so right in the middle of everywhere. I predict it will be nuts.
16:11 oo yeah do the vice video 🙂