The British Tough Guy Trope, Explained

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    The British "Hardman" broke traditional notions of what british men were like and has now become an icon in cinema, from ross kemp to danny dyer, tom hardy to killian murphy today we will explore this phenomena.
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  • @JimmyTheGiant
    @JimmyTheGiant  Před 4 měsíci +73

    Come join my research team on discord! - discord.gg/5CtEmZvx

    • @BarksRG
      @BarksRG Před 4 měsíci +1

      There's a Football factory sequel in production called MARCHING POWDER i belive lol

    • @AtZero138
      @AtZero138 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Jimmy what I've been impressed with, your from a place,, never have I heard you sound or speak with ego or trying,, I grew up in Orange County California... Huntington Beach/Westminster.. I'm 50, I was My music life, had to earn it here, until they knew you would fight every time questioned or challenged, violent everywhere, my other life was BMX my local shop was one of the 1st to sell GT bikes, your feature on This culture and evolution.. like you were here Brother..
      Always entertaining and worth watching..
      Oi Oi Oi
      @∅

    • @skilletpan5674
      @skilletpan5674 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Sherlock Homes was a hardman. If you look into some of the history of his character then you know that he was a bare knuckle boxer/stick cain fighter and drug fiend. The more modern portrayal of him by robert downey junior is fairly accurate.

    • @JimmyTheGiant
      @JimmyTheGiant  Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@AtZero138 Thanks man! appreciate the comment

    • @matham625
      @matham625 Před 4 měsíci

      dont forget "Brighton Rock" 1948.. watch it if you have not, pinky

  • @WeyounSix
    @WeyounSix Před 4 měsíci +1852

    Danny Dyer naming his daughter Dani Dyer is the funniest shit

    • @pestotron8291
      @pestotron8291 Před 4 měsíci +12

      Truly

    • @RobotronSage
      @RobotronSage Před 4 měsíci +17

      Oh no he din't omfg

    • @TheCrewdy
      @TheCrewdy Před 4 měsíci +90

      I'm pretty confident he wrote his name in the wrong box (spelled incorrectly of course) and didn't notice until it was too late

    • @HydiestFaith
      @HydiestFaith Před 4 měsíci +63

      Dani Dyer named her son Danny Dyer.

    • @raychambers3646
      @raychambers3646 Před 4 měsíci

      The professional cockney ,

  • @tehhotline4225
    @tehhotline4225 Před 4 měsíci +820

    Ross Kemp asking that guy with an AK-47 if he's going to kill him while grabbing off him and finishing off with a "Nobody's going to kill me" was probably the hardest thing in this whole genre

    • @interesting2491
      @interesting2491 Před 4 měsíci +21

      Was probably fake though…just give them a tenner and create a scenario

    • @CallumDoyleDarling
      @CallumDoyleDarling Před 4 měsíci +39

      Im 50/50 on that scene in Papaua New Guinea...definitely credible to suggest it was real, it wasnt an AK IIRC, it was a shot gun or some form of old long rifle.

    • @TheRealYoda-ob7gd
      @TheRealYoda-ob7gd Před 3 měsíci +18

      @@interesting2491 it wasnt fake that is how the gang tests new people.he passed the test

    • @mephamjohnson4422
      @mephamjohnson4422 Před 3 měsíci +28

      Did you know they told him what SAS it stands for Super Army Soldiers

    • @will.42069
      @will.42069 Před 3 měsíci +3

      Is this that scene where they were sprinkling cocaine on the floor to get rid of “bad juju” ? 🤣

  • @chefrowlet
    @chefrowlet Před 4 měsíci +336

    "I'm a man of the people"
    immediately speaks latin
    good lord if a script writer put that in a movie people would say it was too unrealistic of a satire

    • @juliohidalgo811
      @juliohidalgo811 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Yeah, right! Cant believe people are not picking that!

    • @DodgyDaveGTX
      @DodgyDaveGTX Před 2 měsíci +35

      Jacob Rees-Mogg is about an accurate portrayal of the quintessential British man, as Borat is of the typical Kazakhstani

    • @Bolognabeef
      @Bolognabeef Před 2 měsíci +4

      Come on that's a very well known Latin phrase, at least here in Italy

    • @jupitersnoot4915
      @jupitersnoot4915 Před 2 měsíci +10

      ​@Bolognabeef OK? Well it's not a well known phrase in England.

    • @Bolognabeef
      @Bolognabeef Před 2 měsíci

      @@jupitersnoot4915 damn y'all dumb af fr then

  • @Overlord99762
    @Overlord99762 Před 4 měsíci +345

    Fuckin' hell, here I was a non-Brit seeing Ross Kemp's documentaries in Afghanistan and other parts thinking he was a journalist, I am now finding out he's an actor first.

    • @Desmond9100
      @Desmond9100 Před 4 měsíci +7

      Check out Ultimate Force

    • @Naz-xk6hq
      @Naz-xk6hq Před 4 měsíci +8

      @@Desmond9100 that show was basically the prototype for Strike Back.

    • @SHVRWK
      @SHVRWK Před 4 měsíci

      You should go

    • @ras7646
      @ras7646 Před 4 měsíci

      @@Naz-xk6hq Damn, the good old days. They don't make shows like that and Banshee any more

    • @Naz-xk6hq
      @Naz-xk6hq Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@ras7646 Banshee was far better in my opinion, I got bored of Strike back towards season 5. Strike back was so excessive in gunfights and tits that you practically became desensitised to it. It didnt help that it happened in every episode, which didnt allow room for character development that wouldve benefited the show.
      The moment that made me think this was getting ridiculous was when Scott was talking to an FSB agent, that he had a prior fling before with, about getting raped by a man she was sent to infiltrate, and then they *immediately* have sex afterwards. This frustrates me because they could have had a good opportunity for character development here for Scott, who constantly shags every female character within a 10 meter vicinity , to compensate for his trauma aswell. He simply could have rejected it and it would have showed immense character growth.

  • @veaceslavstoianov4378
    @veaceslavstoianov4378 Před 4 měsíci +540

    Jimmy never fails to rip my limb apart one by one as I scream in excrutiating pain and agony meanwhile my consciousness slowly fades away

  • @stalfithrildi5366
    @stalfithrildi5366 Před 3 měsíci +279

    Regarding the trope of everyone British in films being posh solidified the RAF's image too.
    Soldiers and sailors were known for being working class, but in the 30s and 40s airmen had no stereotype so the fifteen million posh actors all piled into RAF films, and everyone decided it was the posh branch.
    My grandad had a Yorkshire accent, and his pilot had an East Glaswegian accent and downed half a bottle of whiskey before getting in a balsawood plane and taking photos of Nazi industry.
    If they made a film about them they'd sound like the Eton common room.

    • @RedPhil87
      @RedPhil87 Před 3 měsíci +11

      "East glaswegian" - my neck of the woods 😂

    • @mleszzor6866
      @mleszzor6866 Před 2 měsíci

      @@RedPhil87 What does that mean?

    • @notbadsteve
      @notbadsteve Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@mleszzor6866 it means he lives in east glasgow (scotland). 👍

    • @mleszzor6866
      @mleszzor6866 Před 2 měsíci

      @@notbadsteve Thanks!

    • @PORRRIDGE_GUN
      @PORRRIDGE_GUN Před 2 měsíci +3

      The RAF was the most diverse employer in the 1940s. Aussies, Saffers, Cariibbeans, Sikhs, Poles, French, Dutch, Belgians, Danes, Norwegians, Czechs etc. My grandad, an Irish citizen, started the war as an LAC, and finished as a Squadron Leader, offered Wing commander if he stayed in.

  • @theopinionatedcharles2795
    @theopinionatedcharles2795 Před 4 měsíci +244

    It's such a shame that the cockney accent is a rarity nowadays as someone who's granddad had the accent and mannerisms of a geezer when he was younger, I love listening to him talk whenever I get the chance to speak to him, he has such a way with his words and how he speaks and it's one of the main reason I have a very southern accent as someone who grew up in the north east

    • @JimmyTheGiant
      @JimmyTheGiant  Před 4 měsíci +46

      it has a lot of personality, you do sometimes here it but its dying. maybe a video in there

    • @rorz999
      @rorz999 Před 4 měsíci +36

      It's a shame, but it kind of lives on in Essex. Most of the white working class in east London have moved further east to Essex

    • @patmann9363
      @patmann9363 Před 4 měsíci +8

      ​@@rorz999Also lurking in Kent.

    • @BillyTheCheeseMonger
      @BillyTheCheeseMonger Před 4 měsíci +2

      My whole British family are very very cockney and I live for it

    • @loolfactorie
      @loolfactorie Před 4 měsíci +24

      Everyone wants to sound black now. West country, Manchester, Birmingham; they're all adopting the yardie-roadman accent.

  • @benyere
    @benyere Před 4 měsíci +447

    Really hope you could cover the rudeboy/skinhead of British/Jamaican culture as its heavily controversial from its two main groups as seen in like movie like "This is England" and also maybe a video covering punks/mods its really good to see a dive into British subcultures

    • @melb7655
      @melb7655 Před 4 měsíci +8

      look up 'that uk sound - Jamaica connection'

    • @tastypymp1287
      @tastypymp1287 Před 4 měsíci +4

      Yawn.

    • @ZoZooZoooZoxxxx
      @ZoZooZoooZoxxxx Před 4 měsíci +7

      Sounds very interesting too me as a German, did they mix with nazi ideology or was it that early skins when they still where leftist or so ?
      All that skins thing is a mysterious topic to me. So many layers of confusion 😅

    • @benyere
      @benyere Před 4 měsíci +6

      @@ZoZooZoooZoxxxx I think it has something to do with NF a english national political party and news/movie illustrations of what they think and slowly converted to neo-nazi skinhead but im not entirely sure on that side of history, it is confusing i agree

    • @brendanm6921
      @brendanm6921 Před 4 měsíci +45

      ​@@ZoZooZoooZoxxxxbasically mate, it all really started as a purely musical thing. Back when a lot of the black population in the UK were very largely still immigrants who had come over from Jamaica, they lived in very working class areas alongside working class white folks and the two groups formed a subculture that was all centred around these two distinct demographics combining their different styles of music. This combination became known as two tone ska and was really spear headed by the bands The Selector and The Specials. It was all about spreading the message of love and community spirit through this music. And then after a while, the look and the sound was adopted by the National Front, the people who the person above referred to. Essentially they were neo nazis. And this then led to a huge cultural battle between the two different generations of skinheads. It's very sad as a subculture that was once all about poor people with different ethnic backgrounds coming together and making fun music with a loving message has now become tarnished by right wing thugs.

  • @rfcfanj7911
    @rfcfanj7911 Před 4 měsíci +138

    He’s not talking about Cillian Murphy as in who he actually is but how his performance as Tommy Shelby has changed the hard man stereotype. Fun fact Tom hardy isn’t actually the cray twin but he played them in a movie

    • @JimmyTheGiant
      @JimmyTheGiant  Před 4 měsíci +29

      Its insane how many people haven’t realised that 😂 cheers for ya comment

    • @mrbutty143
      @mrbutty143 Před 3 měsíci +7

      Cillian Murphy is Irish he is from Cork . Which is actually a sub culture within irisn culture

    • @rfcfanj7911
      @rfcfanj7911 Před 3 měsíci +25

      @@mrbutty143 but where not talking about Cillian Murphy where talking about Tommy Shelby. Like how Christin bale isn’t American billionaire who’s parent where shot dead because he made them leave a play

    • @RuB0t
      @RuB0t Před 3 měsíci +10

      In fairness to them, it's an incredibly common occurrence to see British media claiming an Irish person as being British or foreign media incorrectly saying we're British (sorry lads, we're not) so seeing Cillian Murphy's character being claimed as British is a little too close to home (for some) I guarantee the only reason McGregor hasn't been claimed by the BBC is because he's such an insufferable ballbag

    • @mrbutty143
      @mrbutty143 Před 3 měsíci

      @@RuB0t spot on

  • @samurai-capybara
    @samurai-capybara Před 4 měsíci +123

    When people say 'the late 1900s', I feel about 100 years old.

    • @mongrel_97
      @mongrel_97 Před 3 měsíci +21

      my man we're a quarter through the 2000s already

    • @GeometricPidgeon
      @GeometricPidgeon Před 3 měsíci +3

      ​@@mongrel_97username checks out

    • @hultonclint
      @hultonclint Před 2 měsíci +1

      Yeah, 1906-1909.

  • @yorkie23D7
    @yorkie23D7 Před měsícem +3

    Vinnie Jones was always a bit of a tough guy but Leeds United fans remember him as someone who had a real special place in his heart for the disabled fans at the matches. Rough but genuine.

  • @WarlordEnthusiast
    @WarlordEnthusiast Před 4 měsíci +44

    The thing i like about "Hardmen" is that they're real, there's plenty of examples of people that are just like you've seen in movies like snatch. In some regards they're toned down compared to their movie counterparts.
    Shaun Smith is a prime example, the man basically invented drug terrorism in Ireland and the UK, you could easily write a movie just based on his experiences and it would look like fiction.

    • @Bob78
      @Bob78 Před 4 měsíci +2

      sorry, his name is Shaun Smith. SHAUN SMITH??????

    • @Conorguill
      @Conorguill Před 4 měsíci +3

      Nah the movie hardman has the brutality of the real-life wannabes but with a charm / humour / propriety absent from the irl equivalents

    • @WarlordEnthusiast
      @WarlordEnthusiast Před 4 měsíci

      @@Bob78 czcams.com/video/TUzlmWWdjEQ/video.htmlsi=2coTqd9Ng7N_dIUp He's a legend in his community for helping out locals yet he's built like a tank and has the firepower to back it up.

    • @jujutrini8412
      @jujutrini8412 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@ConorguillReal old timer hardmen used to be a bit like that. The ones that were robbing banks and stuff in the sixties. They are all gone now though.

  • @chriskjo1611
    @chriskjo1611 Před 4 měsíci +67

    Hmmmm talk about English tough guys without ever mentioning Ray Winstone. He's the original unstable confrontational brawling English houlihan. My favorite movie of his is 'Nil By Mouth' directed by Gary Oldman.

    • @fuzzydunlop1988
      @fuzzydunlop1988 Před 4 měsíci +2

      That scene with Kathy Burke is hard to watch

    • @fred-a-stair
      @fred-a-stair Před 4 měsíci +5

      Ben Kingsley in Sexy beast. The most frightening character I've seen on tv

    • @pablogats4627
      @pablogats4627 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Yes scum is one of my fave films ever

    • @nicholasgreen339
      @nicholasgreen339 Před měsícem

      Scum is the classic ray winstone film

  • @pyrho1
    @pyrho1 Před 4 měsíci +59

    I'm American and I love the British Hardman trope. Especially Tommy Shelby and Daniel Craig's 007.

    • @moorshound3243
      @moorshound3243 Před 3 měsíci +2

      007 is not hard he is just well trained

    • @The_Sleepiest_Socialist
      @The_Sleepiest_Socialist Před 3 měsíci

      How about Captain Price?

    • @anon2427
      @anon2427 Před 3 měsíci

      007 doesn’t fit this archetype

    • @bubz3t136
      @bubz3t136 Před 3 měsíci +2

      I've never watched Peaky Blinders, but it's a joke that Cillian Murphy is playing a hardman in the first place. He looks like a lesbian. Real hardmen don't even have necks. He's just like Christopher Walken, who often played hardmen, even though he looked like Blanche from the Golden Girls.

    • @GeometricPidgeon
      @GeometricPidgeon Před 3 měsíci +1

      ​@@bubz3t136so you had all that to say about a show you never watched? Intelligent take, sir.

  • @MarcusBurkenhare
    @MarcusBurkenhare Před 2 měsíci +2

    I'm no footie fan but the image of Vinnie grabbing Gazza by the knackers is iconic.

  • @OofHearted
    @OofHearted Před 4 měsíci +34

    You forgot about Begbie from Trainspotting.

    • @GR-cf4qh
      @GR-cf4qh Před 3 měsíci +3

      Begbie was hard, but not so hard that he didn't shite it off 20 years in Sultan.

    • @Flintlockon
      @Flintlockon Před 2 měsíci

      @@GR-cf4qh You win the comment and all comments.
      Well played sir.

  • @connorriley7511
    @connorriley7511 Před 4 měsíci +111

    Surprised you didn’t talk about “Essex Boys” or “The Rise Of A Foot Soldier” which is about a football firm that ran a huge ecstasy ring and the main members (the Essex 3) ending up getting murdered in the case known Rettendon triple murders amongst other popular monikers. Exact example of hard men transcending film into real life.

    • @50shadesofgday64
      @50shadesofgday64 Před 4 měsíci +3

      The real carlton leach makes a cameo in it I think.

    • @MbisonBalrog
      @MbisonBalrog Před 4 měsíci

      Did Hooligans sell drugs in real life?

    • @RobotronSage
      @RobotronSage Před 4 měsíci

      You should research Dutch hooligans /skinheads
      >1000% drugs@@MbisonBalrog

    • @andreroswell1561
      @andreroswell1561 Před 4 měsíci

      @@MbisonBalrog The ICF - Inter City Firm did security for the raves.

    • @Greeny_303
      @Greeny_303 Před 3 měsíci

      @@MbisonBalrog Yep BIG time by the 90s rave culture also stopped loads of lads heading in that direction

  • @ZP1993
    @ZP1993 Před 4 měsíci +49

    I'd also like to mention The Long Good Friday. Bob Hoskins playing an English gangster was a good example of an English hardman,I wouldn't be surprised if his role inspired some of the characters in later British gangster movies like Lock, Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels and Snatch.

    • @northfield3654
      @northfield3654 Před 4 měsíci +2

      The Gentlemen is basically Guy Richies version of The Long Good Friday, it even loosely follows the storyline and the (near) ending is the same

    • @ange1098
      @ange1098 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Awesome movie awesome cast

    • @MegaWoody1963
      @MegaWoody1963 Před 4 měsíci +9

      Don't forget Michael Caine in 'Get Carter' in 1971, an absolute classic.

    • @jujutrini8412
      @jujutrini8412 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Spot on!

    • @reecechapman-spencer7309
      @reecechapman-spencer7309 Před 3 měsíci

      Gentleman sucked ass though. @@northfield3654

  • @huwguyver4208
    @huwguyver4208 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I'm Aussie and I'm really enjoying the deep dives into British culture from this channel. Danny Dyer was awesome in Human Traffic. It's a shame he seems to have turned into the UK equivalent of Malibu's Most Wanted if this video is anything to go by. Ross Kemp sounds like an absolute boss though.

  • @Yuuna..Yuuki.
    @Yuuna..Yuuki. Před 4 měsíci +16

    Your videos make me proud as punch to be English. My dad used to say "Adam England's amazing kiddo. An island so small it can be fit into the corner of californa with an empire and whats the most spoken language in the world. English. People speak english not American. "

    • @Yuuna..Yuuki.
      @Yuuna..Yuuki. Před 4 měsíci +1

      Have to add . Human traffic , green street, rise of the foot solider, football factory. Some of my favourite films there. Also the fsr superior and original UK shameless is a gem. Frank Gallagher a British treasure

    • @DodgyDaveGTX
      @DodgyDaveGTX Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@Yuuna..Yuuki. Could we include Sacha Baron Cohen's character in 'Grimsby Brothers' as a comedic example - even if it is completely parodic?

  • @itsirrelephantman
    @itsirrelephantman Před 4 měsíci +22

    Grants part in Extras with Vinnie was brilliant

    • @Mengha
      @Mengha Před 4 měsíci

      SAS - Super Army Soldiers

  • @StephenRyan1951
    @StephenRyan1951 Před 4 měsíci +108

    Love these breakdowns of British culture. It was your chav video that made me subscribe.

    • @stevegriffey8255
      @stevegriffey8255 Před 4 měsíci

      English rather than ‘British.’

    • @briton3851
      @briton3851 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@stevegriffey8255not with this video, hooligans are welsh english scottish manx cornish etc

    • @stevegriffey8255
      @stevegriffey8255 Před 4 měsíci

      @@briton3851 I’m English… Watch it now! 😆

  • @iamnotmrlebowski
    @iamnotmrlebowski Před měsícem +2

    Great video mate. Aussie here.
    Absolutely love British movies and shows over Hollywood. Bronson wasn't a fictional hard man. Bronson was terrifying.

  • @exbritishforcespatriotscha7723
    @exbritishforcespatriotscha7723 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I knew a bloke who had phychiatric problems,was one of Britain's strongest men. I got to know him by chatting in a pub,Big bald and tatoos even on his head.A great friend to have.I was having a pint with him and only can describe some southern Gangsters turn up.He left with them for I do not know but imagine someone had a whole lot of hurt that afternoon.

  • @JJ-qe1ls
    @JJ-qe1ls Před 4 měsíci +25

    i feel like the film Dead Mans Shoes, needed a shout out

    • @rael1999
      @rael1999 Před 2 měsíci

      One of my all time favourite films !

  • @pyrho1
    @pyrho1 Před 4 měsíci +17

    The variety of have accents in Britain always astounds me, considering the entire island is relatively small.

    • @stalfithrildi5366
      @stalfithrildi5366 Před 3 měsíci

      My part of South Yorkshire pronounces our word for "You" in such a distinctive way that people from the other parts of South Yorks call us a nickname based on it.
      The word for "You".

    • @alkaholic4848
      @alkaholic4848 Před 29 dny

      @@stalfithrildi5366 Dee dar's?

  • @aPol.01
    @aPol.01 Před 3 měsíci +9

    As a representative from Guinness World Records, it is with great pleasure that I inform you of a remarkable achievement associated with your video. I am delighted to announce that your video has been officially recognized for setting a world record. Specifically, your content has earned the distinction for the highest frequency of the term 'hardman' uttered within an 18-minute duration.

    • @DodgyDaveGTX
      @DodgyDaveGTX Před 2 měsíci

      How the fuck does one even get a job working for the Guinness World Records, anyway? 🙃

  • @SmokeNUFC
    @SmokeNUFC Před 4 měsíci +39

    Danny dyer was always shitting it on deadly mens and the real football factory it was comical 🤣🤣🤣

    • @turnip5359
      @turnip5359 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Apparently in real life hes a nice bloke and a bit of a softy and the cockney ardman thing is just an act

    • @fatdaddy1996
      @fatdaddy1996 Před 3 měsíci

      Can you blame him.
      He's a posh boy and he's not a unit, plus a lot of genuine hard men are genuine nutters.

    • @scottwallace5239
      @scottwallace5239 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Think Kevin bridges bit on this is best when he's talking about the rangers vs celtic episode of footballs deadliest rivalries and it's like 12AM on a Sunday, people are just waking around in colours drinking coffee and tea and you got Danny trying to hype it up like the battle of Hastings is about to kick off

  • @akilahcopeland559
    @akilahcopeland559 Před 4 měsíci +49

    What a sweet hit of nostalgia, bruhv. That Tom Hardy film, Legend, held me captive the whole way through. Feeling all the feels 😂 And Guy Ritchie is eternally one of my fav filmmakers.

  • @AtZero138
    @AtZero138 Před 4 měsíci +13

    To me... Bullet Tooth Tony..all his lines are unchallenged, pure greatness

  • @DrtyALGreen
    @DrtyALGreen Před 4 měsíci +17

    As an American who's seen Danny's show I laughed my ass off "and then there's Danny Dyer"😂

    • @pd4165
      @pd4165 Před 4 měsíci

      He's funny on panel shaws.
      Standouts for me is when he does 'dictionary corner' on 8OOTCDC.

  • @pm-5565
    @pm-5565 Před 4 měsíci +21

    I'm patiently waiting for the day we get a movie or series where the protagonist is a hard scouse, probably with subtitles because most won't understand a word.

    • @Dpw20001
      @Dpw20001 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Terry o'Neill would've played a good scouse hardman villain but he was a very well spoken scouser

    • @blizzardgaming7070
      @blizzardgaming7070 Před 4 měsíci +5

      Not even the scouser's know what they say half the time.

    • @fatdaddy1996
      @fatdaddy1996 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Scousers, Mancs, Geordies, Weegies and Irish all tough as anyone.

  • @paddyrobbo1683
    @paddyrobbo1683 Před 3 měsíci +4

    No film or show has ever done a better job of creating the “hard man” act dancing the line beteeen dani dyer and James Bond like Snatch with all the characters in it that was imo the peak of the uk “hard man” stereotype

  • @bruhmoment11111
    @bruhmoment11111 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I like that you did a Bri'ish accent the whole time, very authentic-sounding.

  • @Mrmatthew4338
    @Mrmatthew4338 Před 4 měsíci +38

    This video isn't just genius because of the awesome editing and hilarious delivery.
    It's genius because of the very topic itself.
    I mean, just get a load of that title, "The Radical Overhaul of the British Hard Man," superb.
    You've done it again Jimmy old sport, God's speed dear boy, you really do wallop out a ruddy good video what what (you know what voice to use when you read that last sentence)

    • @natmanprime4295
      @natmanprime4295 Před 4 měsíci +3

      ...and now he's changed the title

    • @Mrmatthew4338
      @Mrmatthew4338 Před 4 měsíci

      @@natmanprime4295 hahaha really? Maybe I freaked him out kissing his ass too hard. Such a clever idea for a video I couldn't help myself but get my internet smooch on. Silly me hehehe

  • @leojohnson-lay4051
    @leojohnson-lay4051 Před 4 měsíci +8

    Fuckin hell the Danny dyer bit has me creasing

  • @arthurmorganhimself
    @arthurmorganhimself Před 4 měsíci +17

    would love to see a video discussing the north south divide and nuances and differences in culture

  • @Pooknottin
    @Pooknottin Před 2 měsíci +1

    I had other things to say, but your closing comment just made me laugh so hard, I don't need to anymore.
    Nice one mate.

  • @djwalker7823
    @djwalker7823 Před 4 měsíci +13

    You should have referenced lenny mclean in your lockstock section . Seeing that he had a role in it . He was the original english HARDMAN . A real street fighter and debt collector . There is still alot of footage of lenny online in real fights and giving interviews.

    • @JimmyTheGiant
      @JimmyTheGiant  Před 4 měsíci +4

      Might make a full vid on him - so i didnt wanna go on too much of a tangent

  • @Nantosuelta
    @Nantosuelta Před 3 měsíci +6

    I do have a major soft spot for the british 'ard man. Also, if it hasn't been said enough, Ross Kemp is truly a real life badass and a fantastic journalist.

  • @h-dawg969
    @h-dawg969 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Ross Kemp in Extras is on point….
    Super, Army Soldiers.

  • @ShornDunlevy
    @ShornDunlevy Před 2 měsíci +1

    An excellent script expertly spoken. I imagine getting clearance for the clips was a headache! The team who put this together are very talented people. I cannot praise them too much.
    It's the 0.01% of CZcams that isn't marred by poor sentence construction, ugly wordage and/or excess verbage. That alone sets it apart. 10/10.
    Many thanks.

  • @bartsimba4
    @bartsimba4 Před 4 měsíci +6

    Lock stock and two smoking barrels is such a masterpiece! One of my favorite movies

  • @lucian6395
    @lucian6395 Před 4 měsíci +14

    I think you've done alot of research and I do agree with all your points, but I do think you should of mentioned Harold Shand from The Long Good Friday, he was the tough guy that has inspired every single one of Guy Ritchies crime films, it was controversial at the time, but it was ahead of it's time, diving into the characters emotions such as pride, anger, hated and fear. Harold Shand felt like the British prototype of Tony Soprano. It came out in 1980, Lock Stock and two Smoking Barrels came out in 1998 and The Sopranos came out in 1999, so it came along 20 years too early.

    • @itswilbur3747
      @itswilbur3747 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Definitely Long Good Friday, good call.
      I'd also throw in Scum by Alan Clarke and anything by Shane Meadows.
      Always felt that many (not all) of the Footie Hardmen type films were showbiz folk fetishizing the stereotype, rather than digging into it. Fun to watch, but little else.

    • @lucian6395
      @lucian6395 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@itswilbur3747 Scum is a good shout and something by Shane Meadows would be good, I'd say This is England over Dead man's fingers simply because it also had 3 series after.

    • @itswilbur3747
      @itswilbur3747 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@lucian6395 This is England is a and the following series really gets in to the culture/people of the time, in the way that Guy Ritchie/Nick Love types just caricature.
      Although Dead Man's Shoes really does a great job of showing those small town British bully boys. Knew plenty of them growing up.

    • @gunrock00
      @gunrock00 Před 4 měsíci +3

      I'm surprised that Terry (Dennis Waterman) from Minder and even before that, The Sweeney (hard men cops behaving badly) and even perhaps, The Professionals.

    • @lucian6395
      @lucian6395 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@gunrock00 That's also a good choice, especially Terry from Minder. His characterisation was different as he was someone who could of been the average hard man, but his morals had him try to do the right thing.

  • @smelkus
    @smelkus Před 4 měsíci +4

    Danny Dyer reminds me of the people in the South park episode Super phun thyme where they go to a recreation of a pioneer village and the employees never break character

  • @kikichunt8322
    @kikichunt8322 Před 4 měsíci +17

    You need to watch "Performance" and "Get Carter" (both 1971) if you want to see something closer to the real roots of the trope . . .

    • @thomsboys77
      @thomsboys77 Před 3 měsíci +1

      And the Long Good Friday

    • @RichardLissimore
      @RichardLissimore Před 3 měsíci

      @@thomsboys77 Without LGF and GC there's a huge history gap in this video.

  • @cricketReviewChannel211
    @cricketReviewChannel211 Před 4 měsíci +11

    They don't make movies like Lock Stock anymore. It was so intricate and well put together

    • @JimmyTheGiant
      @JimmyTheGiant  Před 4 měsíci +3

      Its less common but guy ritchie still is killing it - the gentleman was brilliant

  • @petekeuning
    @petekeuning Před 4 měsíci +5

    Hella insightful bud. Great piece.

  • @OneMancBanned
    @OneMancBanned Před 4 měsíci +10

    Let's Go ! That was a great watch.geeza ! Danny Dyer bit was spot on 🤣

  • @jacksonwatkins6431
    @jacksonwatkins6431 Před měsícem +2

    It's so funny to hear Geezer explained this way because it means something very different in the states.

  • @richardhughes8095
    @richardhughes8095 Před 3 měsíci +1

    HUGE fan Jimmy. Really interesting videos, well researched and presented in such an engaging manner. Keep up the excellent work.

  • @R1ck3stR1ck
    @R1ck3stR1ck Před 4 měsíci +6

    Speaking as a guy who was born and bred in Luton, I definitely want that film to come out, then people can see what I used to put up with day after day 🤣😂

  • @N1GHTw4tching
    @N1GHTw4tching Před 4 měsíci +8

    You make the best content, keep it up

  • @youcancallmejimbob.2326
    @youcancallmejimbob.2326 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Love coming back every hour to see the new video title

  • @c.antoniojohnson7114
    @c.antoniojohnson7114 Před 4 měsíci +13

    Britan was a superpower from the 1600s to the 1970s,of course they are going to have some tough customers that get to the business.

  • @brownpunk1794
    @brownpunk1794 Před 4 měsíci +6

    Danny dyer is as tough as my grandmas slipper😂😂😂😂😂
    What a laugh

    • @bazjr86
      @bazjr86 Před 2 měsíci

      Yup he was good in human traffic. That's it.

  • @swamp_donkey
    @swamp_donkey Před 4 měsíci +14

    Can't wait for Luton the movie!

    • @fuzzydunlop1988
      @fuzzydunlop1988 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Think there's a series called Stevenage and Luton the movie will be using a lot of the same actors.

  • @kashyusaf9260
    @kashyusaf9260 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Really good and entertaining analysis on something hardly anyone talks about

  • @Burnitdownnn
    @Burnitdownnn Před 4 měsíci +2

    Great job once more , Jimmy! keep em coming!

  • @Harkness197
    @Harkness197 Před 4 měsíci +7

    the Ross Kemp documentaries were insane!
    great video bro!

  • @janpol466
    @janpol466 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Dude, you just spoke my mind. Great video.

  • @andytidbury8334
    @andytidbury8334 Před 16 dny +1

    I'm a new subscriber, really enjoying the videos. So well presented and amusing, and you can see the research that has gone into them. Great stuff.

  • @PYGolf
    @PYGolf Před 4 měsíci +2

    🇨🇦 Here and I've learned so much. Well done, subscribed

  • @SmokeNUFC
    @SmokeNUFC Před 4 měsíci +4

    Good video mate well researched and presented keep it up :)

  • @ahmedshaharyarejaz9886
    @ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 Před 4 měsíci +7

    I want to see James Bond fight a British tough guy villain.

    • @bobbyscott2123
      @bobbyscott2123 Před 3 měsíci

      There is a couple of 007movies where he fights British bad guys
      One of them is Sean bean
      The other is Robert Carlyle
      There is probably more
      Sorry can’t remember the names of these bond movie’s
      It was the later ones

    • @Elyseon
      @Elyseon Před 3 měsíci

      Bond on vacation getting caught in a pub brawl?

    • @ahmedshaharyarejaz9886
      @ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 Před 3 měsíci

      @Elyseon Yeah, Bond walks into a Bar, orders a "Shaken not Stirred" and tries to flirt with a Tough Guy's girlfriend. Tough Guy calls him a posh tosser, and all hell breaks loose as they brawl. Later we learn the Tough Guy and Bond are either supposed to be partners or the Tough Guy is the Villain or his main enforcer. The Tough Guy and Bond try to one up each other and in the end they have a fight where perhaps the Tough Guy wins the Brawl but Bond completes the mission anyway through cunning and the Tough Guy and Bond go their seperate ways with mutual respect and an unfinished rivalry. Until the Next Movie! Roll Credits with Music and Graphics 🔫 💃 🎶 💥 🚘 💪 🚀 🌊⚓️🔎 .
      James Bond and the Tough Guy will return.

  • @thefamilypodcast9556
    @thefamilypodcast9556 Před měsícem +1

    Great video mate! Glad I found this channel.

  • @callumlambert6558
    @callumlambert6558 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Really great video mate! Very good editing and well spoken :)

  • @pharaohbacksmokin4372
    @pharaohbacksmokin4372 Před 4 měsíci +4

    🔥🔥🔥🔥 ngl was hoping for a half hour video

  • @impguardwarhamer
    @impguardwarhamer Před 4 měsíci +4

    the classic british tough guy couldn't survive the millions of new doctors and engineers arriving on the streets of British cities, such a shame

  • @joegibbskins
    @joegibbskins Před 4 měsíci +31

    When I was growing up in America in the 80s and 90s, there was a wide spread belief that Brits were smartest than us, their vocabularies were broader, and they spoke so quickly and effortlessly. Then Oasis became a big band over here as well and suddenly we got to hear Liam Gallagher speak and it was like “oh most of Britain is actually working class and barely literate”. After that it was a lot easier for Americans to accept that hooliganism and all the fist fights and stabbings that are a part of daily life in the UK cause you’re just like us except with less guns

    • @pevebe
      @pevebe Před 3 měsíci +3

      well you actually still have more stabbings even with guns but i digress

    • @joegibbskins
      @joegibbskins Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@pevebe yeah we’re the descendants of unruly people your crown couldn’t govern, so that checks out

    • @JackHGUK
      @JackHGUK Před 3 měsíci +5

      Religious fanatics Europe kicked out you mean ​@@joegibbskins

    • @joegibbskins
      @joegibbskins Před 3 měsíci

      @@JackHGUK don’t forget convicts in Georgia, and the Africans Europeans bought and sold and the indigenous survivors of diseases Europeans brought. over.

    • @insert_name_here6487
      @insert_name_here6487 Před 3 měsíci +1

      then the republicans blew it out of proportion for whataboutism's sake

  • @alastor8091
    @alastor8091 Před 4 měsíci +61

    Very cool. For some reason every stereotype gets this enhanced flavor if its a Brit. An American hardman is just some douche, but one with a British accent is something that catches your ear.

    • @nickgavis0305
      @nickgavis0305 Před 4 měsíci +4

      Haha as an American I can say this is true

    • @timwinterhalter5233
      @timwinterhalter5233 Před 3 měsíci +5

      our equivalent would be something like a tough-as-nails southerner

  • @EpohDerf
    @EpohDerf Před 4 měsíci +6

    What a video, I've just found you and have a lot of catching up to do. Thanks.
    No Shane Meadows? He did some excellent telly and film with 'hard' characters that weren't just one dimensional. And of course we had Don in sexy beast - one if the best portrayals of unhinged menace ever from Sir Ben Kingsley...

  • @SirSicCrusader
    @SirSicCrusader Před 4 měsíci +3

    Danny Dyer as a "hard man" always made me laugh, he's about as hard as melted butter.

  • @giantred
    @giantred Před 4 měsíci +1

    Good job man, you've got another subscriber with this one

  • @royfr8136
    @royfr8136 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Wasn't expecting much, but this was good

  • @olliestudio45
    @olliestudio45 Před 4 měsíci +6

    Let's be honest, that hardman thing is also part of your youtube persona / brand... ain't it Jimmy da G?
    Great vid of course.

  • @HectorLavoe-me4or
    @HectorLavoe-me4or Před 4 měsíci +5

    Ross Kemp interviewed us California gangs

  • @MrKruger88
    @MrKruger88 Před 2 dny +1

    If you do a deeper dive onto the Hayes code, there were a lot of silly examples where films had to tow the line. You had to show that "crime doesn't pay" and so you'd have films were the bad guy was the main character, shown in a sympathetic light; but then as the end credits begin to roll, a cop car rolls up and arrests the main character. That was enough to claim they paid for their crimes.

  • @69waybetter
    @69waybetter Před 4 měsíci

    Great videos Jimmy

  • @stooooogs8763
    @stooooogs8763 Před 4 měsíci +21

    I imagine Cillian Murphy wont be too happy being referred to as british

    • @eadweard.
      @eadweard. Před 4 měsíci

      I don't think he did, did he?

    • @funkyfranx
      @funkyfranx Před 4 měsíci +10

      @@eadweard.He did include him in his list of British hardmen, but I think it’s obvious he means his character, wouldn’t exactly call Cillian Murphy a hardman in real life

    • @fuzzydunlop1988
      @fuzzydunlop1988 Před 4 měsíci +1

      ​@funkyfranx sure he's from caaaark

  • @jamesrobinsons8086
    @jamesrobinsons8086 Před 4 měsíci +7

    Great video mate, but some classic British hardmen you missed:
    Terry mccann - Minder
    Oz - Auf wiedersehen pet
    Yosser- Boys from the blackstuff
    Regan & Carter- The Sweeney

    • @CIMAmotor
      @CIMAmotor Před 4 měsíci +1

      Even DelBoy was a bit feared.

    • @charliezobel511
      @charliezobel511 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Dennis Waterman RIP

    • @Charles2k
      @Charles2k Před 4 měsíci +1

      Some great and well written characters. Also great shows which actually depicted the real life people rather than the 80-90's films mentioned here.

    • @markbadger265
      @markbadger265 Před 4 měsíci

      Bodie & doyle

    • @patmann9363
      @patmann9363 Před 4 měsíci

      Do you remember a BBC One program called Gangsters from the 70's?

  • @ScottyDnB
    @ScottyDnB Před 3 měsíci +1

    Well this is the first vid i have seen of yours and it was superb! You have a new subscriber and i am looking forward to checking out your previous work.

  • @SamLyn
    @SamLyn Před 2 měsíci

    Love these videos.

  • @KennyOspreay
    @KennyOspreay Před 4 měsíci +5

    Would love to see you do a video on the rise and fall of Bebo

  • @kai_plays_khomus
    @kai_plays_khomus Před 4 měsíci +8

    I don't understand how you could fail to bring up Begbie from _Trainspotting_ - he's the perfect geezer. Admittedly he doesn't speak cockney though.. 😅

    • @Rr0gu3_5uture
      @Rr0gu3_5uture Před 4 měsíci

      Francis Begbie is your classic Scottish nutter, a psychopath. For me, I'd say the typical Geezer is more of a sorta, self-aggrandizing sociopath.

  • @thevillainousqueenofhearts4976
    @thevillainousqueenofhearts4976 Před 3 měsíci +2

    I gave a like simply because of your opening… it was beautiful

  • @JiaPia3
    @JiaPia3 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I really enjoy the content and comments on this channel. New sub ❤

  • @vpgnto
    @vpgnto Před 4 měsíci +4

    titles: (1) How The "Hardman" Redefined British Culture; (2) Britain's Forgotten TV Tough Guy Era; (3) The Radical Overhaul of British Men in Movies; (4) [Again] How The "Hardman" Redefined British Culture; (5) The British Tough Guy Trope, Explained

  • @kai_plays_khomus
    @kai_plays_khomus Před 4 měsíci +3

    Isn't Murphy irish though?

  • @frankquither4980
    @frankquither4980 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Bricktop from Snatch should have been on this!

  • @loolfactorie
    @loolfactorie Před 4 měsíci +1

    There is a Danny Dyer 'real football factories' pisstake on youtube from the early 2000s, it's brilliant and worth a watch. Massively underrated.

  • @kierandoodykd
    @kierandoodykd Před 4 měsíci +7

    Cillian Murphy isn't British, home sprung

  • @mixodorians12
    @mixodorians12 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Don't use Britain and England interchangeably.

  • @scorpzgca
    @scorpzgca Před 3 měsíci +2

    Amazing video on this for real they need to bring this archatype back

  • @TheHypersonic55
    @TheHypersonic55 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Mate, this was a cracking video. It's really well made, and I like the sprinkling of humour throughout. And when you mentioned Luton, I frigging lost it. Yeah if they make a film about my hometown, fuck that would be something else. 😂

  • @jim23mac
    @jim23mac Před 2 měsíci +1

    A little bit of pain never hurt anybody

  • @tobyprice1092
    @tobyprice1092 Před 3 měsíci +1

    If you look at a lot of of the old Minder series you pick up on where Lock Stock and Snatch got their dialogue. I see a lot of resemblance.

  • @shia_labeouf
    @shia_labeouf Před 4 měsíci +2

    Really interesting piece. I didn't know the history with the Hays guidelines.

  • @justamanchimp
    @justamanchimp Před 2 měsíci +1

    Another thing with the reason why British hard men tv was so big is that the reality is, most men just aren’t hard lol, so it taps into that desire a lot of men have to be hard men. It’s kinda the same as celeb Hollywood documentaries, ppl watch to get a sense of what it might be like to be rich and famous, a desire a lot of people have but will never get to experience