The Mysteries of the Alpha Legion
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It's funny to think that the Alpha Legion is one of the only legions that could be changed to loyalist space marines and almost all Alpha Legion fans would be like "Yeah, that checks out"
I mean, even in Canon. The Redacted are a Warband looking for Omegon who truly believes they're a loyalist organization, and there's a ton of info supporting that
@@DogKaciqueSons of the hydra novel. Wish that would/could get a follow-up, old Occam was a cool character and leader, shame that most of his "gang" got killed tho.
* Cough * * Cough * Dark Angels.... errm, nothing to see here, move along plz.
if we wanted to go with dead memes you could have started the vid with "hi....im alpherius"
It's not a dead meme but...
I'm alpherius.
@@ChristianEphraimsonno. I am Alpharius.
Huge missed opportunity.
and ended with this is a lie
Arthurius
"You see dad, I only set the Imperium on fire ironically!"
"Alpharius, my son, ARE YOU /JK OR /SRS!?!?!?!?"
Theres a very recent alpha legion novel i very much enjoyed called Renegades: Harrowmaster. It follows an alpha legionary warband whos trying to unite multiple warbands during the indomintus crusade. It involves alot of different kind of warbands of the alpha legion, incukding a khornate one, one where all the members get surgey to look like alpharuis and one where the members worship the emeperor, so you get to see lots of different sides of the legion post heresy. Its also not a "the alpha legion are so smart and cool and sneaky", it is actually from their prospective and while they do lots of spec ops and sneaky things, its all actually explained and makes sense. The main characters are also super enjoyable and it actually ends with a bombsjell lore development that hints at the alpha legion possibly playing a larger role in the galaxy in the future.
yeah i've read the book and it's probably my favorite 40k book so far because of how down to earth and cohesive the AL is in this one. There's even a scene where the MC, after beating a combined fleet of Inquisition, Silver Templars and Navy ships, says the equivalent of "Holy shit, i'm actually surprised this plan actually worked. There was a 50% chance of this whole thing succeeding and we actually survived this lmao". They are still pulling some bullshit and insanely funny moves on the Imperials and/ or each other but you can actually see how risky or calculated their plans are in this one.
Mike Brooks, who also wrote the Alpharius primarch novel, genuinely seems to love writing about the Alpha Legion and actually wants to give them a purpose in 40k and make them evolve by adapting to the challenge that is the Indomitus Crusade and trying new tactics.
@@torcaaceIirc, the moment in question was the "unseen" becoming a veritable mobile fortress. MC was quite enjoyable, non-nonsense guy. Recently read the alpharius novel too, Brooks sure knows his alpha legion(haven't read the orc bits yet), however I did notice a few questionable additions he seems to love putting in here and there. Thankfully said bits don't detract from the overall enjoyment of his books.
They are my favorite legion because they can be any legion. Also, I like their color scheme.
They have the best colour scheme for any arctic or aquatic chapter and its not that close
Not to mention the conversion potential, a small force mid transformation can be fielded as both marines and chaos marines for a start.
Imagine if the alpha legion is able to hold influence over a living saint now
Haha that would be crazy right
That would be so weeird. Like, how would that even work, right? 😐
Not too much of a stretch to imagine they already have hold over most living saints.
Who said we haven't already?
I love that part in the lore where Alpharius tries to stealthily kill the Emperor and Malcador stares at him through the sniper scope and Alpharius was like “Ah…. WTF!”
The Alpha Legion, successor chapter of the Alpha Legion, hailing from their Primarch Alpharius, with their chapter master Alpharius.
These guys are 100% loyal, at least those loyal to Omegon who said "Screw this, I'm going my own way."
They went their own way and decided to do their own thing for their own ends. And so, they were the Alphas of the Mystery Legion.
Iirc, many homebrew loyalist chapters of traitor legions are of the alpha(with different lore reasons behind that), so they have a following. (Still) in process of making my own(the right color scheme is still eluding me).
Someone "are you loyal or heretic?"
Alpha "maybe."
Someone "huh?"
Alpha "exactly."
When you play Alpha Legion at a tournament, your goal isn't to win or lose, your real goal on three tables over.
you know what? fk Alpharius, i am Omegon
Of note there’s a theory that Alpha or Omego understood the prophesy and changed it by remaining both loyal and betrayer. Which lead to current events in the galaxy.
Also one of them is definitely alive.
But if you want to know more about the Alpha legion read their latest book.
They are so splintered even they don’t know what’s going on.
I like this idea
Which book is their latest ?
Renegades: Harrowmaster (Warhammer 40,000)
You could also read the Primearc book don by Alpharius.
"Hi there. I'm Alpharius!"
"And I'm Alpharius!"
"And we are the Alpha Legion. Here are our friends, Alpharius, Alpharius, Alpharius, Alpharius and Alpharius."
I like the idea that one of the twins got tired on the bs and just joined Chaos. Lorgar gave them to slightly different books after all. Maybe one was more convincing than the other.
Other alpha legion bits to mull over:
-In "The Board is Set" The emperor explains to malcador through a symbolic/prophetic chess game that one of the establishing moves of the game/heresy is to give both sides one of the twin primarchs, and for whatever reason countering Horus with Dorn early in the game always causes the loyal twin to switch sides and checkmate the emperor.
-One of the twins was taught to erase his presence by malcador, and there are times where others remark that despite both twins being present, only one soul is felt. This could be because they both feel like the same person because they are one split soul, or because Omegon never learned to do the trick as well as alpharius.
-Alpharius is bizarrely humble for a primarch, being willing to change his approach, ask his legion for opinions, takes no credit for anything, and regularly works with normal humans... Except he grew up jealous watching all his siblings being found and able to do things the "easy" way and getting approval for it. Omegon doesn't know his siblings nearly as well and is more used to doing things himself.
-Present-day alpha legion war-bands seem do disagree about what they're trying to do and why. Not by implication either, when the warbands meet they argue with eachother. The twins likely had a specific master plan. The warbands don't know or remember what it is anymore.
-There is a lot of 3-pronged/piece iconography in the alpha legion, often using three rings, three diamonds, or the three-headed hydra... But there are two primarchs, two sides of the heresy, and two competing prophecies about the legion depending on who they sided with. I don't think this means the twins are actually triplets, but I think they try to take "the third option" as much as possible. They redefine and reframe conflicts to come out on top. They play both sides. They probably disliked both prophecies and tried to MAKE a third option by siding with both/neither.
HYDRA DOMINATUS
During the Horus Heresy half the legion turned chaos, half the legion stayed loyal. They didn’t have a huge purge so they just had mini battles all over the place. No one knew who was loyal or not in the legion. Loyalists helped traitors, traitors helped loyalists, it was just a mess.
I absoltuley LOVED the the salamander video because its a very cool idea, and not even that outlandish with what we've seen in the lore happen. There was a salamander ship that got its warp drive damaged and crashed on a feral world where they protected the population until the 41st mellenium where they barely more than living statues. Tweak that a little to them having made an accidental time jump with the damaged engine and we basically got the promethean kings
Personally my own theory for the Alpha Legion is that they did end up just falling to Chaos not because the Cabal lied but just the fact the Cabal were completely wrong with their prediction due to imprecision, warp fuckery, Tzeentch having fun, or all 3.
The whole thing about predicting the future in 40k is its very unreliable to the point you can make only very limited, short-term decisions on it reliably. Sure a prediction of "killing this big ork Waaagh! will lead to less orks to fight in the future" can be acted on reliably but "sending humanity to extinction to wipe out Chaos" sounds like a *monumental* stretch to claim 100% accuracy on. Even Eldrad himself who is probably *the* strongest and most accurate farseer was still wrong about things sometimes, or at least missed important context in his predictions.
Literally the only person in the entirety of 40k that I'd say has a 100% perfect track record is Orikan the Diviner but that barely counts because all he does is just wait for shit to happen, goes back in time, then relays what he saw to others. Even then there's a limit on how far back he can go with it.
Would you even be able to wipe out Chaos that way?
With the Eldar still existing, especially the Drukhari, you'd expect that Slaanesh would still scrape by even if the other gods didn't survive somehow.
@@jessl1934And let's all remember how Big K likes the orks.
Yup the Way its explained in Eldar lore is that its like trying to see which Grain of Sand is the right one you are looking for, Predicting the Future is very unreliable even for the Eldar who more or less rely on it, hence why sometimes it can go Smoothly for their schemes or it can completely blow up on their face.
@@jessl1934hence why likely the Cabal, while not necessarily lying unintentionally doomed the Alpha Legion fo be the Meme Troll lords they are now, Chaos feeds off of Very Psychic Living Sentient Creatures its just that Chaos prefers eating Humans in 40K because they have less defenses,
Likely what really would have happened is Age of Sigmar 40k version or the Chaos Gods finding a different prey.
Like most things it seems to be both. Or rather the twins disagreed, one turned traitor, the other remained loyal
Your video on the Star Dragons was kind of a fun one - the lore was interesting, and it was cool seeing the custom painted minis the fan did
I love the Godblight books. I really enjoyed reading those, but man you are right, you opinion of Matthew CONSTANTLY shifts the whole time!
Ah so they're duplicitous, confusing, and prophetic?
So you're turning around on the Eldar, finally! Welcome, brother?
Remember playing my first demo with a guy and he was like "Lemme bring out my Blood Angels" and had an entire Loyalist Space Marine Army painted like Alpha Legion. Kept a straight face and wouldnt acknowledge they werent blood angels
The Alpha Legion is neither Loyalists, nor Heretics, but a secret third thing
Really excited to see what you have planned for AOS content!
Would just like to say that in some of the first art book omnibuses the was a depiction of daemon prince alpharius
Also, yes, it absolutely gets expanded upon until it orbits the center of the entire narrative.
In the latest 41k book dedicated to Alpha legion it is said that they literally don't know what they are doing and what are their main goal is.
Since all the alpha legion marines from heresy time died (they never went to warp, so they never got this time skip as most of the characters from chaos legions) and since they never saw their primarch, and since all knoweledge of why they fighting Imperium is literally lost they don't know what to do. In current 41k Warhammer there's literally one warband who stick to the original tradition of wearing Alpharius face and using his name, all other don't do this.
So it's highly possible that if Omegon (or reborned Alpharius) were to come back, Alpha legion could become a loyal army once more, if the primarchs really wanted to help Imperium from the inside the rebelion, ofc.
I am genuinely in with what I believe is the in lore explanation that does not come up. The primarch gave all of his sons a series of code words that which ever one they heard that was the path they would take. One way or another, many many different groups are now all following a different one of the multiple possible commands they were waiting on, and depending on what guided them to choose that path is what determines how may of their brothers they assume are following the same path as them secretly the whole time. 1000 different missions, but possibly all think they are all on the same one and are constantly adjusting to each other in an ant death spiral not knowing otherwise.
Alpha legion is my favorite legion/chapter, working on my first army and homebrew that in ambiguously one of the three chapters, but actually made up of all of them at the same time. And the entire record of their existence is told through directly conflicting 2nd hand sources.
I believe that there is the Alpha Legion that are heretics and there's the Alpha Legion that loyalist, but make like heretics. Of course, then there's the Alpha Legion that is both... But that one got crumped during Horus Heresy.
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A few things:
First: I thought the whole thing with the cabal was IF Horus won vs IF the Emperor won, not that if the alpha legion picked a side this specific result would happen
Second: one of the bigger theories about them during the heresy is that alpharius went with the whole side with Horus thing but omegon went closeted loyalist. It explains why their actions were so strange during the Horus heresy. One of the supporting ideas being it, if I’m remembering it right, is that in the Shattered legion books one of the the Alpha Legionnaires said “you’re one of his” to a different alpha legionary, referring to the fact that the primarchs didn’t share the same opinion.
Alpharius is actually just Roger from American Dad. He swaps identities like their costumes so it makes sense.
Read renegades harrowmaster, it changes your view dramatically. The Alpha Legion actually and geuinly have no idea what they are doing. They tell themselves "The Imperium will never see this coming, all acording to plan!" whenever something goes wrong and just cries in the corner. Great book, I love Mike Brooks.
same here, can't wait for a sequel novel to Harrowmaster. Btw, all of Mike Brooks' books are connected to each other. In the Warboss book there is a prologue statement by the New Mechanicum Magos that works with the Ghost Legion
Thats a wild point to bring up about Mathieu. I honestly forgot the Alphas had been the ones to kill his Master.
So far that plot has not come back in any of the newer novels Ive read
if you are looking for more alpha legion stuff and how they operate I would recommend "The Harrow Master" its an alpha legion book and i think it's neat
That, Shroud of night and sons of the hydra. Harrowmaster even gives a shout-out of sorts to them(even if only mention).
Alpha Legion surprised the Cabal by making sure that NOBODY wins.
The Emperor isnt hurting anyone sirting in a chair and keeping a portal closed and the Astronomicom running.
Horis is dead, so he wont destroy the universe.
They split the difference.
It's gotten to a point that I am suspicious of this lore video telling the truth about the Alpha Legion...
Alpha legion are by far my favorite chapter, my biggest schizo breakdown is that Omegon is still alive and is building a loyalist primaris army with the primaris secret recipe that he didn’t give to Fabius and will come back into the setting at some point in the future
At this point i get the feeling the alpha legion doesnt even know what the fuck is going on
I'm listening Outcast Dead. There's a prophecy that says that one of the Twins (it's implied by prophecies shenanigans) is loyalist while other is a traitor. That would explain a lot
Finally. Final frontier. I've had amazing time revisiting all these chapters and legions again with you. Your opinion, emotions, it all made it feel new again Arthur. I express my genuine thanks.
Kharn video when? . . .
Seriously, when are you going to talk about such a swell guy?
Cant wait for some Arthur Bones AOS!
They are confusing then the warp itself to the point they end up sabotaing themselves.
"Was it all true?"
"Yes."
"Even the Lies......?"
"Especially the lies."
I would assume any full-on chaos Alpha Legion either were false, as in another geneseed, or Manchurian candidates by their legion's design to sell their "sided with chaos" bit.
As a man who has been getting into Nighthaunt and Spooky bois of Sigmar I welcome new shit :)
Everyone be sayin’ “I am Alpharius,” but nobody be askin’ “Are you Alpharius?”
… makes you think, doesn’t it.
Solomon Akurra (MC of Harrowmaster): "I am not Alpharius"
The Emperor is on the golden throne because the AL stayed loyal.
We won’t hate!
I completely believe that the Alpha Legion is secret loyalist.
I kinda like to think that Dawn of War series (meaning DoW and DoW2) was a plan of Alpha Legion to kill off some of the Chaos part of their Legion, weaken the chaos side by killing champions of Chaos (Bale, Sindri, Eliphas, Crull), banishing a mighty greater daemon of Khorne, which was hiding in the Maledictum AND clearing the corruption of Ulkair, a greater daemon of Nurgle, and Kyras from the Blood Ravens chapter to make them pure and loyal chapter.
Like if Sindri would not start his quest to obtain the Maledictum Blood Ravens would be stll with their Chapter Master under Nurgle's Greater Daemon. Basically heretics in denial.
Let's also not forget their most incompetent demon prince by name of Voldorius too.
Happy to see a new upload
Though since you're going to cover various chapters now, may I request a video about the Marines Errant ? Or for a non-Astartes subject it would be nice to see you cover a regiment of the Imperial Guard.
He could be any one of us
I was so pissed at that priest in the plague wars trilogy. I’m a big UM fan and he got that epic guardsman character killed. Months later I’m still upset.
I would love to see you cover different chaos and renegade warbands like sons of malice etc
Here's my big brain theory on Alpha Legion and Cabal:
Omegon and Alpharius went secret third option between joining Horus and Emperor: Splitting the legion between them both and achieving a galactic stalemate instead of extinction of one or the other.
By doing this, humanity would be given more than the 10k years of life the cabal predicted, while also keeping the war time economy of the empire going while being united in the common goal of the long war.
This is supported by them both agreeing this is what the emperor would want. The emperor, being a guy choosing to take a 10k year chair ride to keep his shell of an empire going, even if it is in a stagnant state. Cuz that's better than death of the species.
We also see that in End and Death, Omegon told his legion at least in secret to fight siege for terra, even if they didn't pan out.
Now in modern 40k, I think this idea was lost (if even told). Now it's a mix of both sides of the legion, existing as heretics trying to survive and following a mix of orders coming from gods know where in support of either side through the convoluted politics of their legion.
*fight siege of terra for the emperor
Maybe the real Alpharius is the friends we've made along the way
I like Chrono's theory about the alpha legion because it makes the most sense to me of course he almost read all of the Horus heresy books so there might be some spoilers here and there if you're not not caught up in the series so just be patient because it does get a bit crazier involving these guys
Also if you do decide to do a season 4 can you do it about the cursed founding?
Where is this
Uuu cursed founding, yes.
I've read all hh main books and some of the stories(still finishing the primarchs and starting siege of terra). Sadly not much of alpha legion proper(in main series).
The Kabul ringleaders we’re all brainblasted by eldrad so the kabal probably split or is much reduced in its power before the siege of terra
Alpha Legion let Mathew go? NO. They replaced him with a disguised member of themselves, a really short one.
For more hijinks involving the Alpha Legion being adjascent to a Saint (Celestine) then give "Shroud of Night" a read.
Missed opportunity to say “Uuuhh . . . Hi, I’m Alpharius.
Ready for the Ogre kingdoms lore discussion!
How can we be sure you are Mr. Bones? Are you perhaps Alpharious?
The Alpha Legion makes my head hurt so much.
“The truth is just an excuse for lack of imagination.”
So there is evidence of some Alpha Legion at least being loyal. Like the time Celestine handed a psyker who could generate a mini atronomicon over to a group of Alpha Legion to keep him out of the hands of another chaos group, saying she knew he would be safe with them.
Though I think its clear that the Alpha Legion have no unified plan anymore. Some are loyal, some are chaos, some are tratora but not chaos, etc.
Shroud of night, iirc, and she was bid(presumably by big e) to let them go. My only concern about that warband, their leader has a demon sword(taken from slaaneshi worshipper no less!) which might be already taking him over.
I am more than excited to see Age of Sigmar content
My theory is that the alpha legion are full blown traitors that were duped by the cabal, not out of malice but because everyone who can see the future in 40k thinks its set in stone instead of it being maleable. So by joining Horus trying to save the universe by dooming humanity, by plot contraivanses they ended with the undesired ending. So now they roam around doing whatever suits the particular warband
I'm thinking the Alpha Legion gained access to tha prophetic and heretical xenotech and is jumping between helping chaos and the imperium to wiggle the future toward the best-case scenario
The Alpha Legion is my favorite LOYALIST CHAPTER
I love the Iron Hands.
0:20 I actually would really like to see you cover AoS, even if no one else would.
Ya I think the lore has implied there was a sort of shadow civil war by design. That some legionaires were given orders to be traitors and others to be loyalists. Alpharius tried to ride the line of being traitor and loyalist and because he so big brained Rogal dorn tore his head off. I think it's implying that the alpha legion tried to find a third way than what the cabal told them. Technically side with both and find a way to avoid either fate..... or it was some super big brain plot that ultimatly was some sort of tzeentch shit and similiarly to Magnus tricked Alpharius into being a traitor.
To this day the alpha legion has no idea what it's doing in my honest opinion. Each warband has it's own orders from long ago. Only one still keeps up the 'I am alpharius' schtick and the rest don't. It's all alot of weird shit.
I would not be surprised if Omegon has secretly been in the background trying to manipulate events for 10k years desperatly trying to fix this tire fire but can't seem to get a handle on it. Or if GW eventually just says Alpha legion is semi traitor and semi loyalist andmake them officially usable for both sides(With some minor aesthetic changes to differentiate their loyalties) everything about them is weird. I use to think highly of them but their lore has only gotten more complicated and messy...... which irronically is both good and bad for them.
Now make it a 30 Part Series.
I can’t wait for some kruleboys content
Alpharius Cunning and Brutal
Omegon Brutal and Cunning
If the production is as quality you'll just be breaking new grounds
It's hard to take the cabal seriously. They told eldrad that the acuity was better than his foresight. Eldrad asked them why it didn't let them forsee him killing them all.
Why is it when we all get honest with ourselves we really are Alpharius.
Maybe you can do some more elite guardsmen regimens! 🙌
It says that the Alpha Legion (possibly) give themselves augmentations to look like mutations of chaos…
There are no skaven in your walla yes-yes
Hi Arthur.
How soon will you do a video on the Necron Memelord Trazyn the Infinite?
I don't think the Eldar LIED but I do think they didn't tell the whole truth. I'm sure they had other ways of dealing with chaos, but this way got rid of humanity.
My second Space Marine force who I run as loyalist. Opinion is they got too deep and now are royally screwed. There are probably loyalists warbands out there and chapters of marines who fight in suspect ways.
There are canon loyalist warbands, which is a fun concept
I love the idea that the Alpha Legion sided with Horus for the sole purpose of ensuring that Chaos ultimately dies out, which inadvertently helps the Emperor (albeit in this one singular way). Which by extension led to the first vision coming true due to their actions ultimately lining up with Big E's goals.
I think it's actually funny that your right the alpha legion of modern 40k is vastly different beast compared to heresy alpha legion. Heresy alpha legion had a purpose while modern alpha legion is so lost in the sauce in schemes that honestly they have to be chaos because could you honestly tell the difference. Though that's just my interpretation of them.
no no, you are correct, the book Harrowmaster literally covers it. That's why the MC is trying to have the other Alpha Legion warbands get their shit together and join him on his anti-Imperium crusade. There are some loyalist Alpha Legion warbands though
What mic do you use? I love your sound.
And so ends the series, with the best Legion 😁
Hydra Dominatus!
Half the alpha legion are heretic and half are loyalist. They will still work together or have locations to meet, where there's no infighting. As a legion they're not on the same page. They fight for whatever they believe in, or what keeps them surviving. Without omegon or alpharius to truly tell them what to do. ..... The alpha legion are trapped in the game they were told to play. It makes it more confusing for them since most the alpha legion members now, were created after the hours heresy, belong to a sect of the alpha legion and their beliefs. They don't know what side the "alpha legion" is on
Alphariuses Assemble!
I just had an idea, what if þe Alpha Leigon arent for Chaos or þe Imperium, what if þeir ultimate goal is to ensure no one faction can acheive a final victory, because if any one faction actually one it would lead to þe end of þe universe, þis gives an i teresting lore reason for why no faction will ever be truley defeated (someþing motivated largley by þe corprate side of þings) and it explains ehy þe Alpha Þeigon does what þey do, þey just want to keep þis fucked up galaxy running
I know you'll start Age of Sigmar with the Stormcast Eyernals, but can you do the Gloomspite Gitz next?
Okay, so things we know 100%:
They are called the Alpha Legion.
And I am definitely not Alpharius.
Chrono from Live! From The Black Library reckons they aren't going to cover Warhammer Fantasy because their only video they did on it was their worst performing video.
You should invite them on as a guest when you start on Fantasy to prove them wrong about how videos on Fantasy perform as well as giving them an outlet to talk about the setting that they are desperately deprived of.
Do you want to do imperial guard regiments and they lore