Either way, Tesla is still making progress, and I applaud them for that. As long as they can keep it up, they'll go down in history as the ones who revolutionized the auto industry. Doesn't mean they don't have flaws, but still.
@VinD Henry Ford didn't invent the automobile, but he made it widely accessible and changed the market. In most history classes, you'll hear about him before you'd hear about Daimler Benz, because it affected history.
Chryptopher with all due respect, what the fucking fuck are you talking about? This is a conversation in which Farrah knows his a shit about cars, like he had spent over a decade driving and posting videos with his opinions about this. He paid off his mortgage in full doing this, and Joe is genuinely interested, though he goes back to Tesla because he owns one.
@@luislopez7716 it's pretty obvious because this guy can't find one decent thing to say about Tesla that he's a hater. He's been bashing on Tesla for years and instead of admitting that he was wrong he just keeps moving the goal posts or talking about a car that costs almost twice as much and sacrifices reliability for performance so they can have a few better track metrics that normal people don't care about. A car that wouldn't even exist if Tesla did force them into EV's. Can't wait to hear them move the goal posts once again after the new Roadster is released.
I even red, that the taycan has a mode where it notices if there are cars in front and adjusts the regenerative braking. So lets say if you are on a highway and there are no cars, it lets you "sail" on as less electricity as possible, and if there are cars, it lets you brake just by stepping of the gas. Also the regenerativ brake is not just coupled to the gas pedal, but also to the brake pedal. So even if you hit your brake it first just regenerates energy. Thats apparently also the reason they use those ceramic brakes, because it seems that its possible you dont use the brakes for extended amounts of time, but if you need them, the have to work, and thats just possible with ceramic.
Yeah totally. iPhone - lots of stolen ideas done better by other people, then bought and rabidly adopted en masse by morons because some guy knows how to do dumb it down to their level. I really have no beef with Tesla but their fans are every bit as poisonous and arrogant as Apple fans. There are plenty of legitimate arguments against Tesla but anybody who states them gets lynched. Matt Farah is a massive and well respected personality in the automotive scene and his criticisms of Tesla should be noted along with all the positive stuff he says about their cars. Morons like you have never heard of him and so think he's on some kind of anti-Musk crusade.
Strike86 question of perspective. "Dumb down" or "make easier"? All smartphones actually are trying to go this direction. If you feel comfortable or superior be saying "dumb down" - go on then. But it's more often called "make comfortable".
That's actually the one thing that I THINK Porsche has over Tesla. Though I cannot really say what difference it would make. I hope Porsche builds a great EV eventually.
@@spankstrelThe "one thing"? Are you handicapped? In which world is Tesla anywhere near Porsche in any regard or category? Their engines are German and their battery's are japanese - and that's the only good thing in a Tesla. And Porsche still gaps them in those regards
@@TheXabl0 As I am owner I would have to disagree. And I'm not a fan boy by any means. Also have a Touareg and Jetta. Like anything else there are no absolutes, there are pros and cons and in my opinion the pro vastly outweigh the con. Also though the electric car is not new, at the mass production output level, technological advancement level, and marketing level at least where cars are concerned he doing something that's innovative and never been tried b4. Remember it's equal parts car and software. Think of mass production cars manufacturers before Ford. He standardized the process, alot of which still remains in place today. And ther where major hiccups along the way. When you're first there's alot to overcome due to no preestablished template. The company's still new. I dont know if you're old enough to remember QWERTY texting b4 the alpha pads or screen touchscreen on phones. It sucked while the overall phone was great but if we abandoned it because of that I wouldn't have have the patience to write this ridiculously long reply.
To be clear the Porsche has a very good regen braking system when you hit the brake pedal. It only uses mechanical breaking when extra force is needed. Where Tesla only uses regen braking when you lift off the Accelerator pedal and then mechanical braking whenever you hit the brake pedal.
Why? You could ban gas cars right now and it would take 30 years to replace them. We also don't know if people will even buy them. Chevy bolt? Fail. Nissan leaf? Fail. Chevy Volt? Fail. Several Ford electrics? All failed. EV mini? Fail.
@Jacinth Gudetti No doubt he is intelligent. But from the words coming out of his mouth he is completely ignorant on how modern electric motors and batteries work. The problem is he is acting like he does know about them and is allowing his biased hate to make him sound like a moron.
4:00 "In theory, 300 miles" ==> In reality, the EPA announced today (12/11/19) 201 miles, lol. And that's for the Turbo; The Turbo S might get even less as an official EPA rating.
Well it's the same with the Tesla. I have a model 3 dual motor. With my driving i dont get more than 200 miles on a charge. Nobody drives 60 mph on the freeway in order to get the claimed 300 miles.
Jono if you live in the north / northeast, in this cold weather, sure, 200 out of 300ish miles is normal. But the T Turbo models will barely get 100. Maybe 90 😬
@@raheeb1 Next move did a test on the German Autobahn going 150kph (90mph) last week and they had almost the range of a model 3 long range (with lower suspension). So it seems the Taycan was optimized for higher speeds, which somewhat fits the EPA rating (all EVs have a better range at lower speeds while the taycan is the only one in the EPA test that has a higher range on the highway.)
@@thisflyingpotato4227 watch the Matt Farrah video of real world driving the taycan and a lot of the owners are saying the test wasn't accurate. The taycan has a 2 speed transmission whereas most evs have a single speed so when you hook it up to a testing protocol it messes with the "epa range"
*He makes valid points, from a performance perspective, the Taycan is the real deal. The Tesla is more like a one trick pony, everyone just talks about how fast it can launch. Great. It's a good car in it's own way, but it's demographic isn't really for hardcore performance car enthusiasts. It's for a car that made EV cool, for tech enthusiasts.*
Exactly what I was thinking. He is praising Porsche for being innovative, but he is describing something that Tesla innovated and implemented years ago.
@BTICronox I know of 2 confirmed overheats on racetracks, one in 2014 when the S was a very new car and one from 2018. Not sure what caused the 2014 case, probably just from still being a new system that wasn't intended for racing, it was pre 100D model 85kw I think. The 2018 one was a heavily modified car and a temperature sensor wasn't connected properly so cooling wasn't routed to the battery.
@BTICronox I agree the Porsche is designed with a different mindset and ok if they took Tesla's design and improved it but not ok with a "expert" making false statements presented as facts. The thermal management isn't the only thing he got wrong and people that don't no better will hear him and think what he is saying is true. That model 3 in the video isn't a true performance model btw, it's possibly like mine, a LR AWD with performance motor. The full performance version has better brakes and suspension that may or may not have made a difference.
Joe Crabb we still got the new roadster lol, and Elon showcased the basic package... hasnt said a peep bout his performance ones. Would love to see that roadster dominate everything
@BTICronox He said they don't have a thermal management system when they do. He said they can't coast when they can, in fact it seems Porsche can't regen and only coasts when tesla can do both. He tesla lies about self driving and the car only has smart cruise with lane keeping and that's an obvious lie. He claims they are a scam because the 2020 roadster isn't out yet when it's not 2020 and they have never made an official release date. If he gets so much wrong you can't trust him at all. That wasn't a 3 performance based on the interior, I have that exact car and it's a LR AWD with the performance motor and track mode. Wheels, tires and suspension are different and maybe more, I don't know which is why I said it may or may not make a difference. If you think wheels, tires and suspension don't make a difference in track performance then you clearly know very little about cars.
I disagree with Matt not in concept but in practice. I am a lithium battery engineer and I think the charge rate issue isn't going to be solved any day soon, maybe ever. The reason I say that is that you are still limited by ionic diffusion, which does have a limit. So I feel like getting EVs to the 600-900 mile range is going to be an easier fix to the "refueling" dilemma. If you can make it three times as far as a gas car then recharging for an hour won't seem as bad. Or EV refueling stations will swap out battery packs instead of recharging.
i havent studied batteries at all so i know im going to be off about something, but why cant you just separate the batteries into smaller individual batteries and charge them in parallel or something?
@@amuricanmayo You technically can, but its a chemisty problem not an architecture problem. There is a physical quantum limit to how quickly a system can be charged. We are talking about physical particles that are traveling and interacting with other particles. So there is a speed limit. There are a bunch of schemes, all with their own pros and cons.
@@thomasbailey4139 you're clearly a hater without any knowledge. Tesla makes a profit on their cars, however they've been investing billions into infrastructure (Gigafactories aren't cheap) to be self sufficient. They're very vertically integrated. They're operating more like a Silicon Valley company with huge growth potential rather than a traditional value company. It's also important to note that Tesla has only recently 'exploded' as far as sales volume, so they've had to build all this infrastructure on relatively little dime. Again, they're in growth phase and they're clearly learning quickly, to your point about build quality. It has increased significant in a matter of months/years.
@@thomasbailey4139 ROFL, the irony, nice try. Owners have 7-days to return their car, no questions asked. Check Consumer Reports surveys... DESPITE the problems (which have been significantly reduced and getting better as we type here), they're right up there with Porsche when it comes to owner satisfaction.
@@brois841 I don't think they would but regardless, the comparison is disingenuous. If Tesla spent as much as Porsche then they would make a far superior EV.
@@tiagokartscampos I'd say it's questionable if he shit-talked, but he definitely left out context. At the time the Model S was built (hell, even now), it didn't make sense to invest the time and resources into repeated launches or 'ring lap times. Building a vehicle which could satisfy the general needs of the public, while resolving the range-anxiety issue with a solid supercharger network, while still being desirable and somewhat affordable, was. It's clear Tesla can make a performance car (Model S Plaid/Roadster), but really, those are fun halo/engineering projects. The general public is better served by the Tesla mission (progressively cheaper, long-range EVs, with a solid charging network), than hyper-cars which cost nearly as much as a persons house.
@Easliy Displeased Tesla is garbage, as a company, and their cars are garbage too. Regardless of build quality issues and how HORRIBLE you elon-sucking fanboys are, simply promoting the idea of electric cars being both enjoyable and something environmentally that the consumer is somehow responsible for, makes me sad. Porsche makes and has made some of the absolute best drivers' cars on the planet. It sucks that they've had to make an electric car but even in that context they've made something better in a typically german typically porsche like way. I know it won't happen but I hope electric cars die before they completely ruin actual cars. The argument that "oh they're fast 0-60" is irrelevant car enthusiasts care about handling, feedback, responsiveness, *sound,* the engine etc etc
The system that Matt is talking about regarding integrated cooling/heating was actually first implemented by tesla in the model 3, search 'superbottle'. Lol
@@mobius20 not entirely different. Model 3s is more advanced, but much is similar aswell. Both use coolantloop to extract waste heat from motor to warm battery. AC is connected to the coolantloop to cool battery. Major exceptions are 3 uses motor itself to generate heat to battery, while S/X has a dedicated heating element and can only extract waste heath from motor. 3 can extract heat and cool other components aswell. However, none of them can heat cabin with heat from coolant loop. It's ptc only. Tesla has a patent which they never implementet which uses coolantloop to heat cabin, not integrated though.
I think you misunderstood the braking. Taycan does coast when you take your foot off the accelerator but when you put your foot on the brake, it uses regenerative (magnetic) braking until you need friction brakes then it adds that in. Pretty ingenious engineering, actually.
Milage is not everything if the car sucks otherwise, especially in quality and performance. And if you can charge twice as fast it doesn't matter at all ...
Tesla have had that "thermal management" system from day one where waste heat from the motors and battery used to heat the cabin, and the cabin AC system used to cool the battery when required.
Well, we all have our own bias. This is especially meaningful in a matter as divisive as Tesla cars. However, Matt should be more aware of his strong bias and take a step back for a second evaluation, before saying anything with blinders on. And this goes equally to all both Tesla lovers and haters, too.
I love the taycan but after watching Doug Demouros video about it I wonder about its range. Doug did one or two short but nice full throttle pulls in it and it went from 300 miles to 100 within a few minutes.
where does he say that? all i saw in the video was that he went through 20 miles of range after driving around for 4 minutes and flooring it from time to time czcams.com/video/0vq6KEOIiMg/video.htmlm51s
Doug is a clown. All energy systems drain quickly when you're heavy on the accelerator. Nothing new there. Tesla will definitely beat Taycan on range, but I'm not sure how much that'll matter to owners of the Taycan. Wouldn't matter to me.
He's a journalist, from reading his reviews he seems to actually like Tesla. Who doesn't admire Tesla, few if any journalists dislike Tesla? But your talking Porsche and Tesla, two very different companies. Have you ever driven a 911 or rode in one? If you haven't, take note of the engineering, fit, finish, power of both the ICE powered Porsches and electric Taycan.
@@loiclabonne5708 is fine to speak your mind but it is also fine if people call out on your bs if you throwing out too much of it. is just that people of tired of hearing the same shit from media and now this individual comes out speaking the same and becomes the target for all that hate with the media becuase people cant do anything to the media beside stop watching them.
Loïc Labonne “Porsche is just better” Lol way to go with your gut over facts and stats. If you want to pay twice as much for something that is slower than a Tesla and gets less range, with worse software/safety features, just so you can have a badge you’re biased towards, go right ahead.
No. There is no connection between superbottle and cabin heat. Cabin heater is ptc only, Porsche uses heat pump and the coolant loop is connected to cabin heater if you opt for the heat pump function. Model 3 does not extract waste heat from brakingsystem itself, but regen creates some waste heat.
@@Taraquin83 The superbottle absolutely connects the battery, drivetrain, electronics, and cabin coolant loops. Don't know where you read otherwise... i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--kRRAI0Ph--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/jvrtfet4rkx30b211k35.png
Taycan's EPA rated range is 201 miles. That information came out after this interview, so its a good indication of Matt Farah's understanding of this stuff
Taylor N Graphene recharges way faster & also holds 1000x more energy than lithium and it’s not as volatile meaning less maintenance and no need for the extreme precautions like BMS(battery management systems) & heat shielding etc
I need some clarification here: Taycan has a range of 300 miles? EPA says it is 201 vs cheapest Model S 373 miles. Electrify America is bigger than Tesla charging network? I need some sources on that. Taycan can accelerate repeatably but still slower than way cheaper Model S Performance. Solar isn't efficient enough for charging EVs? Sure about it? If you drive 15000 per year that is 41 miles per day in Model 3 you are using < 300Wh/mile. That will be 12,3kWh per day. You don't need that big of solar installation to produce that much on average.
@n s He stated that EA network is bigger than Tesla, Taycan has 300 miles of range, Saying that Taycan is better because it can accelerate more consistent is like saying that I'm better 100m runner than Usain because he might slow down from 9.58 to 10.2 and I can run same distance in 18 seconds every time. And yes - you can power all EVs by solar alone without any problem. It has nothing with luxury, just statements form this no-EV-expert.
Matt when talking about the Taycan, just says what he heard. Tesla did 35 launches with no performance loss. And they also drove on the Autobahn at 200kmh for 40 min
@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo It is an experimental power train. Outputing significant power figures compared to Porche Wait for the roadster 2020. It is a sportier car like Tycan not a sedan or crossover like current cars which are made for everyday use. Secondly, if you don't agree that Tesla's tech is better, just look at the costs of Tesla cars with salvage titles. They are very expensive. The batteries and motor are very valuable. Tesla has the best batteries and motors period. It is obvious, since they spent 10 years developing the power electronics and software.
Wow, 40 minutes at 200km in an autobahn... That's nothing. Teslas still are the best EVs, but I very much doubt they can compete with the Taycan on sportive driving. Anyway, they are different cars with different prices and objectives. More importantly, the competition is good for everyone
200kmh on the Autobahn for 40 min.? i'm german so i can only say, so what? is that supposed to be a big deal? 200kmh is like 120mph right? not that impressive but ok.
Porsche is not a better car. The argument is that it is a better race car. It would have been a year ago, but tesla improves too fast. The funny thing about thermal management is that tesla came up with this tech first, look up the "superbottle" as it was a key thing they got praised for that blew traditional auto design out of the water by integrating all the heating/cooling systems. Porsche made an OK EV by copying what was good about a tesla. Hell, this 800v vs 400v argument is really dumb, porsche doesn't have tesla batteries that can charge 250kw at 400v. Porsche only has access to commodity batteries that max out about 130kw at 400v. Porsche went 800v in what is essentially two 400v packs in parallel to enable 275kw at 800v. It means the porsche likely cannot charge more than 130kw on standard 400v charger. If tesla made an 800v pack, they would be charging at 500kw, which is what they are doing with the semi. The semi is 1600v, because it is four 400v packs each capable of 250kw charging. The only advantage of the porsche is the rear steering which makes it handle better. That is it. Not worth the extra $100k over a maxed out model s.
@ I call bs on that statement. Matt Farah is a talking head. He's not really into the mechanics of evs. Im in a auto class in highschool to learn about evs and the future climate of the car industry. If we only let "professionals" talk about subjects we would have a narrow perspective.
Hal K No, he clearly doesn’t. He missed on a number of readily available facts that if you pay attention to EV’s and solar for 10 minutes you would know were incorrect.
@@bebomac5 He was talking about technology that started in the 80s with the heat control system. The only thing that is special about the Porsche is that it's a 2 way system but still cabin air isn't going to really help brakes or batteries. Just kinda seems like something that looks good on paper but has little function.
Tesla stock is up too. Everyone keeps hoping for failure but it won't happen anytime soon. Other car companies aren't making sincere investments in EVs.
@@robertnicholls9917 VolksWagen is investing billions in EV's, but they are so far behind. They dont have the fanbase, infrastructure, efficient, battery production and amazing CEO. They will have trouble catching up
@@thomasalias8492 I disagree on the looks factor. Also, Tesla's are going to be getting way more firmware and software support than the Taycan. That thing's a ticking timebomb of obsolescence waiting to happen. Gotta buy a new one to get an update in a couple years.
Laurence Cursaro I don’t what I’m talking about? First of all VAG is not a brand, Audi is. Secondly BMW is a high end brand, maybe you haven’t had the chance of being in one or driving one.
The Porsche has a 201 EPA estimated range and I honestly thought it was the better all around car except for the price and technology compared to Tesla. But now this car is a joke😂😂😂
herm 2009 And that is exactly why that porsche is made for alphas, if you think being a playboy is bad you're a weak moron and not even the type of person to drive one of these cars.
The 18650 cell is a thin rectangular lamination rolled up and placed in a can. The difficulty in cooling is that most of the active area in the cell does not contact the cooling system, but rather, other active areas of the cell. Progression of high performance cells will require an updating of the cell architecture. Probably a co-axial cooling channel will be added at some point. Maybe the cells will be unrolled. maybe the can will get smaller.
Lol you can say that all you want, companies just have to pivot a small portion of production to a niche market of morons who think electric vehicles are better for the environment. Even though Lithium mines are and other battery minerals are just as awful for the environment than fossil fuels.
@@Friendznco Haters gonna hate, just remember me in 20 years when a driverless electric car with a T on the front of it is taking you to your destination everywhere you go.
@@Friendznco I mean. Cobalt is no longer used for EV batteries and Lithium is literally the 3rd most common element in the universe after Hydrogen and Helium. I think you've read a little bit too much right wing propaganda.
He is not the only one. I think its and over hyped POS. Right from the factory it has defects and misaligned body panels. Think about that for a moment, a car you just paid over 90K for has defects right off the bat. The Taycan is better even did a run around the ring at 7:42 without shutting down like the Tesla did.
@@2ndtonone1000 the first car had some fit and finish issues. They have fixed that by now. Consumer Reports recommends now the Tesla Model 3 and 5th Gear review it and they said fit and finish was on part with the German competitors. I agree the first 50,000 models 3 were not build great but that's long gone. They are 300,000+ models on the road now.
@@2ndtonone1000 but that has not been the case for years. I love my model 3 and when I get into another car it feels stupid. It checks all boxes for me. Fast and fun, fantastic safety testing, world class audio, charges right in my garage. My next car may not be a Tesla but it will surely be an ev, they are the future
@n s All it's missing is a high quality interior.. other then that, I dont see how you could classify the Taycan as an exotic car and the Tesla Roadster as not.
Matt, also forgot the up to 265 kw of regeneration in the Porsche he could have used coming down the hill. That would have boosted the battery right back up (as others have shown). But point well taken, and you have the option for either with the Taycan..
@@neubianx coastal elitist? get your head out of your own asshole we're all americans. you conservative whiny bitch the liberal states pull the weight economically for most of your shithole flyover states. just california alone "the liberal cesspool" you inbreds like to call is the 6th largest economy in the world by itself. you're just looking to take offense to anything.
"Superbottle" 📺 czcams.com/video/ACdvsfZH-4w/video.html (12 minute video by HyperChange) Aaron Goad, I thought you might be interested in this video about the Tesla cooling system.
Keep in mind that was an innovation for the Model 3 and was used as technical marketing for the drive-train; it was not back-ported to the Model S as far as I know. Additionally, what Matt said about repeated launches, that's also true to some degree for Model S and not true for Model 3. Again, the comparison is Taycan to Model S.
The Taycan also makes a spaceship sound when you accelerate and if you put it in sport+ it gets louder. It really feels like you're driving something from the future. Combustion engine 4 life tho!
Well if we drive this train of thought to its logical conclusion you can just drive some low consuming granny mobile. Gets you from point A to point B. You do drive one? Or are you just making excuses for Tesla? I have hunch on the answer...
it is actually the exact opposite charging cars could steblize the grid and use up cheap electricity no one needs and feed it back to the grid when you need it.
Not to mention that the grid is increasingly more "renewable", (Solar, wind, etc..) Things like induction roads are under research and testing as we speak, so that you don't have to stop to charge your car. None of that is possible with internal combustion.
That guy is talking as if every one owned an EV and charged at supercharger speed level all at the same time. If everyone was charging at ~30 amps, it wouldn’t cause any problem to the grid.
@@blakeochellaschool6659 Actually, I know that we don’t have unlimited capacity. But we do have unlimited electricity with renewables. Thing is, people won’t switch to EV in one day and crush the grid by all charging at the same time. The grid will have time to adapt to supply the required capacity. But most charging is at night, while demand is at the lowest, and an EV is responsible for about 20% of a household consumption. Nothing to be scared about.
They have valid points on the power grid. It doesn't matter where you charge -- electricity doesn't get produced out of thin air. The current power grid isn't capable of a rapid change in power demand.
@@Cartier_specialist You don't need rapid charge while sleeping. Demand spikes in the morning and noon are already very high and I doubt that cars charging over night would have an impact on the grid that would be of any concern. Where I live, most electric ovens are connected to 400V. The "current" power grid is constantly developing. They work on it since we discovered electricity.
Taycan has an official EPA range of only 201 miles. That's terrible. It's ESPECIALLY terrible for the price they're charging for that vehicle. It's 5 days since this has been posted and this podcast already hasn't aged well. Tesla is CRUSHING the competition.
There are no EPA ranges for Taycan yet. Only WLTP and CARB. I think it's safe to say Porsche won't have anywhere near the range of Tesla Model S, but I'm not sure how much that will matter to the Porsche enthusiasts.
BTICronox 1. Both Battery packs are comparably inefficient when you drive at high speeds. Their sizes are highly comparable. 2. You’re referring to regenerative braking i assume? If so then your figures are not nearly correct. If it was possible for the Porsche to regenerate 265kW it’d most likely have near 4 times the range it has. 3.Acceleration is factual, a Clear win for the Taycan. I do think a 0-60mph comparison is more relevant where the difference is only .1s but the Taycan is a better sports Car. 4.Its a porsche , so i do agree handling should be better. 5.True, although the comparison between a perfect tesla and perfect Taycan is much closer i must agree Teslas smaller scale does lead to more prevalent mistakes. 6.The porsche does have a somewhat greater charging speed 200kW at DC chargers compared to 150kW of the tesla. This is before taking into account the new 800V architecture Tesla is patenting as well as the enormous gap in the amount of Porsche chargers available in comparison to Tesla. Although Porsche drivers will be able to use the Tesla superchargers im sure we can both agree that one company’s charity shouldnt be counted as a win for the other. 7.If you knew a little bit of Chemistry you wouldn’t make this argument as both cars are similarly inefficient at high speeds and considering the comparably sized battery packs and that the Tesla’s wheels are much more efficient i’m sure you’ll reconsider. 8. This is impossible for you to know right now. A good time frame in the automotive industry is 5 years of general use. Within that time frame you can compare mechanical errors and make a judgement call, this is in the gasoline car segment. For EV’s you may have to wait longer. 9. Again, a little bit of chemistry and you’d see both packs as equally untrustworthy. 10.Comfort in a 5-door family sedan is not comparable to a 3-door sports car. Although it also shouldnt be compared as i’m sure Porsche was more concerned with the lap time. 11. Intuitiveness* , this is false. If you truly think Tesla lacks innovation and practicality i think you may be too biased to really be able to compare the two. Now to counter you i think when taking into account the enormous difference in price, Tesla’s better Range and Tesla’s infrastructure when considering the Supercharger network the Gap closes quite a lot. I don’t think either of these cars are really comparable as they’re not for the same buyer. I think both do things right in their own respects and both will be success stories for their respective companies as well as the EV market as a whole.
Really not the case. Matt is pretty car smart and Tesla is just not Porsche. Both cars are both awesome, but coming from a long term car guy perspective, Porsche has the pedigree, and is the better car/basically next gen performance EV.
One of the craziest things I’ve seen on the road was in Florida (of course) a dune buggy going down the road at 70 with sparks flying off the rim and no sign of any intention to stop.
On potential mass charging: I charge my car at a slow rate over the day (at home via solar or at work) and that charge lasts a week, it's not like everyone is always fast-charging at the same time! So I sure do believe that EVs are feasible for large Urban environments as well! Parking garages, workplaces, and destinations, in general, simply need to set up more chargers sooner!
![Porsche Taycan Turbo: I Almost Switched! [Auto Focus Ep 6]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/BAZX9p2oGOg/mqdefault.jpg)
This is the closest we will get to joe rogan interviewing joe rogan
Woo2fly30 😂
Woo2fly30 except for the video of joe rogan interviewing joe rogan
Hahahahaha
yeah! the amount of stupid in that room is breathtaking
Nope. Joe Rogan wouldnt be able to get past 12 minutes with Joe Rogan.
Joe “carbon fiber brakes” Rogan
Carbon fiber brakes are a real thing
'Carbon fyber'
“Carbon fibre”
Paul Krupa carbon ceramic brakes
Lmao
Some people love Tesla unconditionally
Some people hate Tesla unconditionally
Either way, Tesla is still making progress, and I applaud them for that. As long as they can keep it up, they'll go down in history as the ones who revolutionized the auto industry. Doesn't mean they don't have flaws, but still.
@VinD Henry Ford didn't invent the automobile, but he made it widely accessible and changed the market. In most history classes, you'll hear about him before you'd hear about Daimler Benz, because it affected history.
@VinD bet on that buddy
It's just a shame a lot of things break on that car that have been around for 60+ year. Other than that they are pretty much set for another 5 years.
VinD howard kunz? Never heard of her
Shout out to all the electrical engineers screaming at their ipods.
I like that they are on their iPods
Lmfao this was only pains
Oh you mean mechanical engineer
Hahahahhahaha!
This guy is the only guest I’ve ever seen stress Joe out.
Joe used to be a lot more confrontational in his old podcasts. You can probably find videos of him on youtube getting in extremely heated arguments.
Joe can smell the irrational hate and it bothers him.
Chryptopher with all due respect, what the fucking fuck are you talking about? This is a conversation in which Farrah knows his a shit about cars, like he had spent over a decade driving and posting videos with his opinions about this. He paid off his mortgage in full doing this, and Joe is genuinely interested, though he goes back to Tesla because he owns one.
@@johnmolloy4878 no, Joe is a closet Tesla fanboy that can't take what he's hearing............
@@luislopez7716 it's pretty obvious because this guy can't find one decent thing to say about Tesla that he's a hater. He's been bashing on Tesla for years and instead of admitting that he was wrong he just keeps moving the goal posts or talking about a car that costs almost twice as much and sacrifices reliability for performance so they can have a few better track metrics that normal people don't care about. A car that wouldn't even exist if Tesla did force them into EV's. Can't wait to hear them move the goal posts once again after the new Roadster is released.
You can turn regenerative braking on and off in the Porsche also.
That's one of the "Quirks and features"
Tesla has done that since 2012
pirate Daddy Doug not Senpai Scotty
He mentions that.
I even red, that the taycan has a mode where it notices if there are cars in front and adjusts the regenerative braking. So lets say if you are on a highway and there are no cars, it lets you "sail" on as less electricity as possible, and if there are cars, it lets you brake just by stepping of the gas. Also the regenerativ brake is not just coupled to the gas pedal, but also to the brake pedal. So even if you hit your brake it first just regenerates energy. Thats apparently also the reason they use those ceramic brakes, because it seems that its possible you dont use the brakes for extended amounts of time, but if you need them, the have to work, and thats just possible with ceramic.
This totally feels like that Steve Balmer laughing on the iPhone when it first came out.
I wish I can put more than one like to this comment ... 👍👍👍👍 ...
Except Balmer would be way more likeable lololol
Yeah totally. iPhone - lots of stolen ideas done better by other people, then bought and rabidly adopted en masse by morons because some guy knows how to do dumb it down to their level.
I really have no beef with Tesla but their fans are every bit as poisonous and arrogant as Apple fans. There are plenty of legitimate arguments against Tesla but anybody who states them gets lynched. Matt Farah is a massive and well respected personality in the automotive scene and his criticisms of Tesla should be noted along with all the positive stuff he says about their cars. Morons like you have never heard of him and so think he's on some kind of anti-Musk crusade.
Tesla isn't taking the Porsche laying down; they'll learn from this and hopefully start racing.
Strike86 question of perspective. "Dumb down" or "make easier"? All smartphones actually are trying to go this direction. If you feel comfortable or superior be saying "dumb down" - go on then. But it's more often called "make comfortable".
Point of order: The Taycan will use regenerative braking when you push the brake pedal. It only engaged the actual brakes when applying them heavily.
That's actually the one thing that I THINK Porsche has over Tesla. Though I cannot really say what difference it would make. I hope Porsche builds a great EV eventually.
@@spankstrel This Porsche sponsored youtuber did a poor job explaining this cool feature.
Tesla has been using that brake system for a while now nothing new to them.
@@spankstrel Taycan is a great car much better than a tesla EXCEPT for the battery technology.
@@spankstrelThe "one thing"?
Are you handicapped?
In which world is Tesla anywhere near Porsche in any regard or category?
Their engines are German and their battery's are japanese - and that's the only good thing in a Tesla.
And Porsche still gaps them in those regards
I'm getting a very Telsa sucks vibe from Matt. LOL
Tesla does suck though.
I understand his desire to counteract the insanely ignorant Tesla fan boy cult members, but he takes his anti-Tesla slant way too far.
And it’s ever so slightly irritating Joe lol.
@@TheXabl0 As I am owner I would have to disagree. And I'm not a fan boy by any means. Also have a Touareg and Jetta. Like anything else there are no absolutes, there are pros and cons and in my opinion the pro vastly outweigh the con. Also though the electric car is not new, at the mass production output level, technological advancement level, and marketing level at least where cars are concerned he doing something that's innovative and never been tried b4. Remember it's equal parts car and software. Think of mass production cars manufacturers before Ford. He standardized the process, alot of which still remains in place today. And ther where major hiccups along the way. When you're first there's alot to overcome due to no preestablished template. The company's still new. I dont know if you're old enough to remember QWERTY texting b4 the alpha pads or screen touchscreen on phones. It sucked while the overall phone was great but if we abandoned it because of that I wouldn't have have the patience to write this ridiculously long reply.
@@TheXabl0 I had a chance to drive a 2014 (!) Tesla Model S and it blew my mind, and it definitely doesn't suck
Damn, that's a fat blunt.
Makes my blunt look pathetic lol
King Palms
Joe: tesla is such a good company Matt: Hold my blunt!
Farah: Porsche doesn't have regen braking, which is a good thing
Joe: looks confused
Basically it's more efficient to coast on flat ground and use regen to slow down or when going down hill
It DOES. Most of the test journos couldn't figure it out though. Jonny at Fully Charged says it's there.
Yeah I think it's a menu option
To be clear the Porsche has a very good regen braking system when you hit the brake pedal. It only uses mechanical breaking when extra force is needed. Where Tesla only uses regen braking when you lift off the Accelerator pedal and then mechanical braking whenever you hit the brake pedal.
@@adrianwood8820 but everything you said can be modify using only OTA update.. So no big deal..
When Joe acted out the deer. I died 😂😂😂
BOING BOING RIGHT IN FRONNA YAH , BOOM , SPLATTER, SCREEEEECH!
Joe is so extra sometimes with his impressions 💀
I’d love to come back and listen to this podcast in 30 years and see how dated it sounds.
Give it 2 years
He's talking about now not the future, so far Porsche taycan won
Why? You could ban gas cars right now and it would take 30 years to replace them. We also don't know if people will even buy them. Chevy bolt? Fail. Nissan leaf? Fail. Chevy Volt? Fail. Several Ford electrics? All failed. EV mini? Fail.
Fossil fuels cars will still be the majority!
@@aidilmubarock5394 taycan is a 4 year newer car than the Tesla model s
I’m sorry I was speeding officer, I had to keep up my brake temps
Matt is the only guy I’ve seen hit the blunt while talking that fast, not even miss a beat or even slow down his speed of speaking. 😂🤯
Weedproof
Matt was so ready to complain about 'Unplugged' 😭😭
Nzila Ng'andu Guy came across as one massive hater this podcast... negative energy
Tom Griffin
Yeah he’s a douchebag
well, it's a pretty lame name.
@@qEnergize Clearly don't know much about Matt, got watch anyone of his Tesla videos. lol
@n s based on what?
When you don't realize that Google was invented.
Matt's selling that Taycan HARD lol!
Matt Farah Experience w/ Joe Rogan
I can hear joe sniffing in the thumbnail.
Lmao.. he most definitely is
🤣👍
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
This is Joe's patented dominance sniff tic he does. It's a recurring move.
Must be snorting that butter coffee again
"I'm not an expert on EVs" oh we noticed
Hahaha Right!
His area of expertise? knowing nothing on everything
@Jacinth Gudetti, why are so many of his facts incorrect then?
And how many Taycans and Tesla’s have you driven?
@Jacinth Gudetti No doubt he is intelligent. But from the words coming out of his mouth he is completely ignorant on how modern electric motors and batteries work. The problem is he is acting like he does know about them and is allowing his biased hate to make him sound like a moron.
4:00 "In theory, 300 miles" ==> In reality, the EPA announced today (12/11/19) 201 miles, lol. And that's for the Turbo; The Turbo S might get even less as an official EPA rating.
Well it's the same with the Tesla. I have a model 3 dual motor. With my driving i dont get more than 200 miles on a charge. Nobody drives 60 mph on the freeway in order to get the claimed 300 miles.
Jono if you live in the north / northeast, in this cold weather, sure, 200 out of 300ish miles is normal. But the T Turbo models will barely get 100. Maybe 90 😬
@@raheeb1
Next move did a test on the German Autobahn going 150kph (90mph) last week and they had almost the range of a model 3 long range (with lower suspension).
So it seems the Taycan was optimized for higher speeds, which somewhat fits the EPA rating (all EVs have a better range at lower speeds while the taycan is the only one in the EPA test that has a higher range on the highway.)
@@jonathan6665
That means if you were driving a Taycan you'd probably get 100 ish miles of range.. yikes.
@@a.banana we don't know that as nobody has tested it yet. We have to wait for Bjorn Nyland to do a real test.
"carbon fiber brakes" 😂😂😂
This episode was brought to you by Porsche
Kyle M this episode brought to you by Matt farhas short position on Tesla.
I still wonder how he found the 300 miles range when test driving it "pretty accurate" when it's EPA range is only 201 miles...
@@thisflyingpotato4227 watch the Matt Farrah video of real world driving the taycan and a lot of the owners are saying the test wasn't accurate. The taycan has a 2 speed transmission whereas most evs have a single speed so when you hook it up to a testing protocol it messes with the "epa range"
Joe: “I need to light one up or I won’t be able to make it through listening to this guy.”
He's had him on at least 3 times
*He makes valid points, from a performance perspective, the Taycan is the real deal. The Tesla is more like a one trick pony, everyone just talks about how fast it can launch. Great. It's a good car in it's own way, but it's demographic isn't really for hardcore performance car enthusiasts. It's for a car that made EV cool, for tech enthusiasts.*
U Tesla fanbois are really something...
A year later, where's the Tesla roadster? The cybertruck is back till 2023 he's not wrong he's expressing his opinions with facts
That Taycan thermal management system sounds an alot like Tesla's, in fact it sounds exactly likes Tesla's....
Exactly what I was thinking. He is praising Porsche for being innovative, but he is describing something that Tesla innovated and implemented years ago.
@BTICronox I know of 2 confirmed overheats on racetracks, one in 2014 when the S was a very new car and one from 2018. Not sure what caused the 2014 case, probably just from still being a new system that wasn't intended for racing, it was pre 100D model 85kw I think. The 2018 one was a heavily modified car and a temperature sensor wasn't connected properly so cooling wasn't routed to the battery.
@BTICronox I agree the Porsche is designed with a different mindset and ok if they took Tesla's design and improved it but not ok with a "expert" making false statements presented as facts. The thermal management isn't the only thing he got wrong and people that don't no better will hear him and think what he is saying is true. That model 3 in the video isn't a true performance model btw, it's possibly like mine, a LR AWD with performance motor. The full performance version has better brakes and suspension that may or may not have made a difference.
Joe Crabb we still got the new roadster lol, and Elon showcased the basic package... hasnt said a peep bout his performance ones. Would love to see that roadster dominate everything
@BTICronox He said they don't have a thermal management system when they do. He said they can't coast when they can, in fact it seems Porsche can't regen and only coasts when tesla can do both. He tesla lies about self driving and the car only has smart cruise with lane keeping and that's an obvious lie. He claims they are a scam because the 2020 roadster isn't out yet when it's not 2020 and they have never made an official release date. If he gets so much wrong you can't trust him at all.
That wasn't a 3 performance based on the interior, I have that exact car and it's a LR AWD with the performance motor and track mode. Wheels, tires and suspension are different and maybe more, I don't know which is why I said it may or may not make a difference. If you think wheels, tires and suspension don't make a difference in track performance then you clearly know very little about cars.
I disagree with Matt not in concept but in practice. I am a lithium battery engineer and I think the charge rate issue isn't going to be solved any day soon, maybe ever. The reason I say that is that you are still limited by ionic diffusion, which does have a limit. So I feel like getting EVs to the 600-900 mile range is going to be an easier fix to the "refueling" dilemma. If you can make it three times as far as a gas car then recharging for an hour won't seem as bad. Or EV refueling stations will swap out battery packs instead of recharging.
you put this 3years ago and now days the modern EVs are doing what you said, good shit my man
@@ThesGt I forgot I even said this haha, its cool to find out I was right haha
i havent studied batteries at all so i know im going to be off about something, but why cant you just separate the batteries into smaller individual batteries and charge them in parallel or something?
@@amuricanmayo You technically can, but its a chemisty problem not an architecture problem. There is a physical quantum limit to how quickly a system can be charged. We are talking about physical particles that are traveling and interacting with other particles. So there is a speed limit.
There are a bunch of schemes, all with their own pros and cons.
This assumes no change in battery chemistry no?
If this guy says EV one more time I'm going to go buy a Tesla
Do it bitch.......have fun with the reliability...... ......
So how's the new car?
@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo lmao so mad
Musical Gear and Tackle the expecting value of the EV aren’t reliable
It's hearing "bro" over and over for me.
I wake up everyday with a full range in my Tesla
A full range of what?
@@pokedon92 Kilometers/Miles/tank/fuel/state of charge/expected distance before the charge is depleted/full battery
*full charge you cant get a full range it doesn't exist you can go the full range but you cant get it lol
I get a full charge in the morning
@@Sal3600 I was kidding. I was hopping for some funny replies lol.
Uhm, the $38K Model 3 also has a temp mgmt system that integrates all the components of the vehicle ... from 2017...
Worse tho...
How do they perform/cost?
Its deep engineering.
I wish Joe had Jamie fact check even a single claim. So many lies and half truths. Those euros spend just like dollars.
CeoOfSwag *Laughs in best selling EV one every continent*
CeoOfSwag Imagine hating a car company because they aren’t going to let you pollute the earth anymore
4:52 "Electrical engineers screaming at their "Ipods?"". What kind of weed is this guy smoking i want some
LMAO😂
He’s talking about everything except the cost wtf man
@@stillsearchin3457 Starts, barebones. The Turbo S is $180K
Anyone watching this would already know the difference in cost and what you'd get. For anyone who doesn't, the Porsche costs 2x more than the Tesla.
@@thomasbailey4139 you're clearly a hater without any knowledge. Tesla makes a profit on their cars, however they've been investing billions into infrastructure (Gigafactories aren't cheap) to be self sufficient. They're very vertically integrated. They're operating more like a Silicon Valley company with huge growth potential rather than a traditional value company. It's also important to note that Tesla has only recently 'exploded' as far as sales volume, so they've had to build all this infrastructure on relatively little dime. Again, they're in growth phase and they're clearly learning quickly, to your point about build quality. It has increased significant in a matter of months/years.
@@thomasbailey4139 ROFL, the irony, nice try. Owners have 7-days to return their car, no questions asked. Check Consumer Reports surveys... DESPITE the problems (which have been significantly reduced and getting better as we type here), they're right up there with Porsche when it comes to owner satisfaction.
@@brois841 I don't think they would but regardless, the comparison is disingenuous. If Tesla spent as much as Porsche then they would make a far superior EV.
if it was up to this guy, nothing new would ever start.
Absolutely!
Its ironic that guys like this, drove me to be a "tesla fan boy"
I don't think so.
@Easliy Displeased did he realy shit talk tesla though?
@@tiagokartscampos I'd say it's questionable if he shit-talked, but he definitely left out context. At the time the Model S was built (hell, even now), it didn't make sense to invest the time and resources into repeated launches or 'ring lap times. Building a vehicle which could satisfy the general needs of the public, while resolving the range-anxiety issue with a solid supercharger network, while still being desirable and somewhat affordable, was.
It's clear Tesla can make a performance car (Model S Plaid/Roadster), but really, those are fun halo/engineering projects. The general public is better served by the Tesla mission (progressively cheaper, long-range EVs, with a solid charging network), than hyper-cars which cost nearly as much as a persons house.
@Easliy Displeased Tesla is garbage, as a company, and their cars are garbage too. Regardless of build quality issues and how HORRIBLE you elon-sucking fanboys are, simply promoting the idea of electric cars being both enjoyable and something environmentally that the consumer is somehow responsible for, makes me sad.
Porsche makes and has made some of the absolute best drivers' cars on the planet. It sucks that they've had to make an electric car but even in that context they've made something better in a typically german typically porsche like way. I know it won't happen but I hope electric cars die before they completely ruin actual cars. The argument that "oh they're fast 0-60" is irrelevant car enthusiasts care about handling, feedback, responsiveness, *sound,* the engine etc etc
The system that Matt is talking about regarding integrated cooling/heating was actually first implemented by tesla in the model 3, search 'superbottle'. Lol
Partially, but Model S/X did the same. There cabin heater is not connected to the coolant loop though, only ptc heater.
@@Taraquin83 Model 3's cooling system is entirely different than S/X - this statement is not valid for the 3.
@@mobius20 not entirely different. Model 3s is more advanced, but much is similar aswell. Both use coolantloop to extract waste heat from motor to warm battery. AC is connected to the coolantloop to cool battery. Major exceptions are 3 uses motor itself to generate heat to battery, while S/X has a dedicated heating element and can only extract waste heath from motor. 3 can extract heat and cool other components aswell. However, none of them can heat cabin with heat from coolant loop. It's ptc only. Tesla has a patent which they never implementet which uses coolantloop to heat cabin, not integrated though.
Asian nerd into tesla color me surprised
I think you misunderstood the braking. Taycan does coast when you take your foot off the accelerator but when you put your foot on the brake, it uses regenerative (magnetic) braking until you need friction brakes then it adds that in. Pretty ingenious engineering, actually.
Have I told you about the thermal management system?
"Superbottle" - thermal management
📺 czcams.com/video/ACdvsfZH-4w/video.html
(12 minute video by HyperChange)
Matt Farah - thermal management
▶️ 2:03
Any electric engineers screaming at their ipods?
I'm an ipod screaming at an engineer, does that count?
Who still uses ipods?
@@adamabbas1487 init lol the newest one is 5 years old probs wont even turn on the way apple slow there devices down
Yes
@@Ck-jy8bw Nah man, my Iphone 5 is still kicking. You just can't update it or it'll self destruct.
This guy is definitely Porche's salesperson haha
Have you driven one? They sell themselves.
2020 Taycan Turbo EPA range: 201 miles
2020 Model S Performance EPA range: 348 miles
idc I'm flexing the poash
@n s ARE YOU A GAY???
2020 Prius 58 MPG
2020 911 C2S 18 MPG
So?
@@fijifi6477 Lol, this is a horrible analogy. Some of you just like to argue.
Milage is not everything if the car sucks otherwise, especially in quality and performance.
And if you can charge twice as fast it doesn't matter at all ...
Sounds like Elon fkd this guy and didn't call him back.
Good one grease ball.........
Nah he’s just mad a model 3 can destroy half the super cars he reviews.
@Mark Steven
Lol. Musk lost his hair 20 years back.
M.A. M.R. You’re an idiot, it’s truly incredible how stupid you Tesla fanboys are lmao
Looks like the boomers are up from their evening nap.
Screaming at my iPod? This guy come from 2006?
Electrify America bigger. One plug at each station :) hahahaha... try using that in real life on Thanksgiving
Tesla have had that "thermal management" system from day one where waste heat from the motors and battery used to heat the cabin, and the cabin AC system used to cool the battery when required.
Matt is very bais to his own opinion but tries to hide it
Well, we all have our own bias. This is especially meaningful in a matter as divisive as Tesla cars. However, Matt should be more aware of his strong bias and take a step back for a second evaluation, before saying anything with blinders on. And this goes equally to all both Tesla lovers and haters, too.
and beyond just for his car opinions. When it comes to politics, he's equally lacking any self awareness or perspective of dissenting viewpoints.
or maybe it's just better and you are bias.
@Liquid Sunshine libtards
no, you just don't like his harsh truths
I love the taycan but after watching Doug Demouros video about it I wonder about its range. Doug did one or two short but nice full throttle pulls in it and it went from 300 miles to 100 within a few minutes.
where does he say that?
all i saw in the video was that he went through 20 miles of range after driving around for 4 minutes and flooring it from time to time czcams.com/video/0vq6KEOIiMg/video.htmlm51s
@@afromasterchief No you are both wrong he said it dropped 20 PERCENT.
did you watch my link? he said '20 miles of range'
Doug is a clown. All energy systems drain quickly when you're heavy on the accelerator. Nothing new there. Tesla will definitely beat Taycan on range, but I'm not sure how much that'll matter to owners of the Taycan. Wouldn't matter to me.
@@afromasterchief he's obviously part of the Tesla cult or has some shares, don't waste your time, he won't correct his lie.
Matt ‘’I WILL speak over you’’ Farah
This guy hates Tesla like Andy Ruiz hates salads
He's a journalist, from reading his reviews he seems to actually like Tesla. Who doesn't admire Tesla, few if any journalists dislike Tesla? But your talking Porsche and Tesla, two very different companies. Have you ever driven a 911 or rode in one? If you haven't, take note of the engineering, fit, finish, power of both the ICE powered Porsches and electric Taycan.
@@Godscountry2732 He hates Tesla lmao what are you talking about
@@Dangerzone032 because he said the other is better
@@tjbattad7111 Look at his twitter... he shits on Tesla every chance he gets.
How many miles “in theory 300”
200. Ouch.
This f*g matt got paid by Porsche, it's so obivous
and thats the 150k base price one too. super Ouch.
Phi Tech or he’s just speaking his mind, in my opinion Porsche is just better though
@@loiclabonne5708 is fine to speak your mind but it is also fine if people call out on your bs if you throwing out too much of it. is just that people of tired of hearing the same shit from media and now this individual comes out speaking the same and becomes the target for all that hate with the media becuase people cant do anything to the media beside stop watching them.
Loïc Labonne “Porsche is just better” Lol way to go with your gut over facts and stats. If you want to pay twice as much for something that is slower than a Tesla and gets less range, with worse software/safety features, just so you can have a badge you’re biased towards, go right ahead.
The model 3 has done the thermo management from the start.
Not that fast though 😄
"Superbottle" - thermal management
📺 czcams.com/video/ACdvsfZH-4w/video.html
(12 minute video by HyperChange)
So, Porsche basically just discovered the thermal management system that the model 3 has in a 40k $ Car ...
No. There is no connection between superbottle and cabin heat. Cabin heater is ptc only, Porsche uses heat pump and the coolant loop is connected to cabin heater if you opt for the heat pump function. Model 3 does not extract waste heat from brakingsystem itself, but regen creates some waste heat.
@@Taraquin83 because the brakes are barely used... It would heat the brakes up if they were connected, plus be a waste of materials.
@@litshackblink same goes for Porsche, but apparently they implemented heatcapture from brakes anyways.
@@Taraquin83 The superbottle absolutely connects the battery, drivetrain, electronics, and cabin coolant loops. Don't know where you read otherwise... i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--kRRAI0Ph--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/jvrtfet4rkx30b211k35.png
Taycan's EPA rated range is 201 miles. That information came out after this interview, so its a good indication of Matt Farah's understanding of this stuff
the taycan has different ranges depending on the battery and power.
Mar yes they’re either trash range or extra trash range
@@YungassPadawan but always just as much as the teslas people compare them in real world range tests.
Matt: "There's electrical engineers that are screaming at thier ipods rn"
Does this guy not know about the Tesla Super bottle?
That Porsche has a 200 mile range according to the EPA. That study was released today and that range is far off from Porsche's 275 estimate.
EPA hating on german cars as always just to sell American ones!
As always...
This guy definitely has stocks in Porsche.
he doesn’t. he doesn’t own any automotive stocks. He just recognizes a superior product.
What tesla fanboys say when someone points out that their favorite car has a flaw
@@wesleyt7388 to be fair it’s quite obvious and it god damn better be superior taking into account the price difference.
Fuck u tesla fanboy
Once graphene is used we’ll have WAY better cars
Taylor N Graphene recharges way faster & also holds 1000x more energy than lithium and it’s not as volatile meaning less maintenance and no need for the extreme precautions like BMS(battery management systems) & heat shielding etc
@@tonycrawford9384 tf u mean 1000x?
its 40%
KK sorry actually is 5x not 1000...it holds 1000wh per kg and lithium is only 180wh per kg
BTICronox how tf you know what my background is?! Lmfao I sell ebikes & emotorcycles for a living breh
solid state batetery brah
Electrify America: 480 stations in 2019
Tesla: 613 stations in 2017
Mmmmmmm...
Dromadaire Fâché this dude just says shit from his ass
One of the few people that I've seen Joe interview that I can't really stand.
ikr, I wanted to reach out and punch his fatty face
Lol was mister "crystal skull vodka" one of them? Lmao
And why is that?
Is there something outstanding in other podcast parts?
Can't see something bad in this part. Could you elaborate?
Why’s that? He’s a really cool guy?
I need some clarification here:
Taycan has a range of 300 miles? EPA says it is 201 vs cheapest Model S 373 miles.
Electrify America is bigger than Tesla charging network? I need some sources on that.
Taycan can accelerate repeatably but still slower than way cheaper Model S Performance.
Solar isn't efficient enough for charging EVs? Sure about it? If you drive 15000 per year that is 41 miles per day in Model 3 you are using < 300Wh/mile. That will be 12,3kWh per day. You don't need that big of solar installation to produce that much on average.
@n s He stated that EA network is bigger than Tesla, Taycan has 300 miles of range, Saying that Taycan is better because it can accelerate more consistent is like saying that I'm better 100m runner than Usain because he might slow down from 9.58 to 10.2 and I can run same distance in 18 seconds every time. And yes - you can power all EVs by solar alone without any problem. It has nothing with luxury, just statements form this no-EV-expert.
Matt when talking about the Taycan, just says what he heard. Tesla did 35 launches with no performance loss. And they also drove on the Autobahn at 200kmh for 40 min
When? and why does it then overheat at the ring?
Answer his question bitch!!...........
@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo
It is an experimental power train.
Outputing significant power figures compared to Porche
Wait for the roadster 2020. It is a sportier car like Tycan not a sedan or crossover like current cars which are made for everyday use.
Secondly, if you don't agree that Tesla's tech is better, just look at the costs of Tesla cars with salvage titles. They are very expensive. The batteries and motor are very valuable.
Tesla has the best batteries and motors period. It is obvious, since they spent 10 years developing the power electronics and software.
Wow, 40 minutes at 200km in an autobahn... That's nothing. Teslas still are the best EVs, but I very much doubt they can compete with the Taycan on sportive driving. Anyway, they are different cars with different prices and objectives. More importantly, the competition is good for everyone
200kmh on the Autobahn for 40 min.?
i'm german so i can only say, so what? is that supposed to be a big deal?
200kmh is like 120mph right? not that impressive but ok.
God I love these two together!! Like this is the living definition of amazing chemistry.
look. This guy does hate Tesla. But the Porsche is ALSO a better car. both are true.
Porsche is not a better car. The argument is that it is a better race car. It would have been a year ago, but tesla improves too fast. The funny thing about thermal management is that tesla came up with this tech first, look up the "superbottle" as it was a key thing they got praised for that blew traditional auto design out of the water by integrating all the heating/cooling systems. Porsche made an OK EV by copying what was good about a tesla. Hell, this 800v vs 400v argument is really dumb, porsche doesn't have tesla batteries that can charge 250kw at 400v. Porsche only has access to commodity batteries that max out about 130kw at 400v. Porsche went 800v in what is essentially two 400v packs in parallel to enable 275kw at 800v. It means the porsche likely cannot charge more than 130kw on standard 400v charger. If tesla made an 800v pack, they would be charging at 500kw, which is what they are doing with the semi. The semi is 1600v, because it is four 400v packs each capable of 250kw charging.
The only advantage of the porsche is the rear steering which makes it handle better. That is it. Not worth the extra $100k over a maxed out model s.
EPA estimate for the Taycan is 201, not 300 miles of range.
“I’m not an expert on EV’s”.. Exactly.
@ I call bs on that statement. Matt Farah is a talking head. He's not really into the mechanics of evs. Im in a auto class in highschool to learn about evs and the future climate of the car industry. If we only let "professionals" talk about subjects we would have a narrow perspective.
Hal K No, he clearly doesn’t. He missed on a number of readily available facts that if you pay attention to EV’s and solar for 10 minutes you would know were incorrect.
@@bebomac5 He was talking about technology that started in the 80s with the heat control system. The only thing that is special about the Porsche is that it's a 2 way system but still cabin air isn't going to really help brakes or batteries. Just kinda seems like something that looks good on paper but has little function.
He knows more than all of u. Watches too
Daniel Bentley nah uh
WOW that sounds just like Tesla thermal management system 🤫🤯😅
Did he just say that the electrify America network is bigger than Tesla's 😂
Just got my Model 3 and loving it.
I’m going to be buying one soon (4-6 months) and have questions about the purchase process. Would you be willing to chat?
Daniel Livingston Sure I’ll help out & will give you my referral code for free 1000 mile supercharging.
Did you spec the HUD?
Matt "How could you tell I short Tesla?" Farah
Tesla stock is up too. Everyone keeps hoping for failure but it won't happen anytime soon. Other car companies aren't making sincere investments in EVs.
@@robertnicholls9917 VolksWagen is investing billions in EV's, but they are so far behind. They dont have the fanbase, infrastructure, efficient, battery production and amazing CEO. They will have trouble catching up
@@tieman3790 I think I addressed that indirectly in another post. If Tesla had the R&D infrastructure of Volkswagen Group, there would be no contest.
@@robertnicholls9917 WE COVERED THAT IN THE TOM GREENE EPISODE!
One extremely important thing a Taycan has over the Tesla, is that it can be sold/traded for 2 Teslas.
But Taycan is cooler looking and has a more luxurious interior. If all you cared about was value, you'd get a Corolla
@@thomasalias8492 I disagree on the looks factor. Also, Tesla's are going to be getting way more firmware and software support than the Taycan. That thing's a ticking timebomb of obsolescence waiting to happen. Gotta buy a new one to get an update in a couple years.
Why can’t you guys understand Porsche is a high end brand, maybe even more so than BMW and Audi.
Laurence Cursaro I don’t what I’m talking about? First of all VAG is not a brand, Audi is. Secondly BMW is a high end brand, maybe you haven’t had the chance of being in one or driving one.
@@insayn7995 One man's trash is another man's treasure, it would seem.
The Porsche has a 201 EPA estimated range
and I honestly thought it was the better all around car except for the price and technology compared to Tesla. But now this car is a joke😂😂😂
Yeah what a joke, we all know everyone needs to drive their sports car at least 202 miles non stop every day
the Porsche ? is a car for Playboy's sorry🤦🏽♀️
n s ... Nonsense...you keep that ugly Playboy box
n s ..several small screens are very confusing so not good for the concentration on the road
herm 2009 And that is exactly why that porsche is made for alphas, if you think being a playboy is bad you're a weak moron and not even the type of person to drive one of these cars.
The 18650 cell is a thin rectangular lamination rolled up and placed in a can. The difficulty in cooling is that most of the active area in the cell does not contact the cooling system, but rather, other active areas of the cell. Progression of high performance cells will require an updating of the cell architecture. Probably a co-axial cooling channel will be added at some point. Maybe the cells will be unrolled. maybe the can will get smaller.
You can hate Tesla all you want, but all your favorite car brands are trying to be more like them every day.
Lol you can say that all you want, companies just have to pivot a small portion of production to a niche market of morons who think electric vehicles are better for the environment. Even though Lithium mines are and other battery minerals are just as awful for the environment than fossil fuels.
@@Friendznco Haters gonna hate, just remember me in 20 years when a driverless electric car with a T on the front of it is taking you to your destination everywhere you go.
@@bradleyjohnson6107 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Friendznco I mean. Cobalt is no longer used for EV batteries and Lithium is literally the 3rd most common element in the universe after Hydrogen and Helium. I think you've read a little bit too much right wing propaganda.
So Matt farah doesn’t like Tesla . That’s all there is to it .
He is not the only one. I think its and over hyped POS. Right from the factory it has defects and misaligned body panels. Think about that for a moment, a car you just paid over 90K for has defects right off the bat. The Taycan is better even did a run around the ring at 7:42 without shutting down like the Tesla did.
Finish your GED barrio boy......don't be a blind sheep.... Do you wear feezy shoes too??...........Tesla is trash..........
If you look at his tesla review he did pro and cons of it.
@@2ndtonone1000 the first car had some fit and finish issues. They have fixed that by now. Consumer Reports recommends now the Tesla Model 3 and 5th Gear review it and they said fit and finish was on part with the German competitors. I agree the first 50,000 models 3 were not build great but that's long gone. They are 300,000+ models on the road now.
@@2ndtonone1000 but that has not been the case for years. I love my model 3 and when I get into another car it feels stupid. It checks all boxes for me. Fast and fun, fantastic safety testing, world class audio, charges right in my garage. My next car may not be a Tesla but it will surely be an ev, they are the future
The Taycan also has an option for onboard chargers that decrease charge time by half on your home charger, imagine that on a high speed charger.
This guy feels like walking Porsche commercial
Porsche's are that good!
EPA says 201 mile range on $150k model! Ouch
@n s
Since the 2020 Tesla Roadster.
@n s
All it's missing is a high quality interior.. other then that, I dont see how you could classify the Taycan as an exotic car and the Tesla Roadster as not.
You can tell dude is a Tesla hater.
I would bet he isn’t an impressionable teenager who will believe everything Elon Musk says.
@@ssplintergirl I would bet you are a matt's fan
Caio Marcoviz yeah not correct. I used to watch /drive but I am not on either side really.
Even if he's not, he comes of with that vibe in this clip...
ssplintergirl I can care less about what musk says, I just know they make some damn good cars that has the entire car industry scrambling.
Joe, when do we get a chance to vote someone off the island?
Matt, also forgot the up to 265 kw of regeneration in the Porsche he could have used coming down the hill. That would have boosted the battery right back up (as others have shown). But point well taken, and you have the option for either with the Taycan..
Matt Farah smells like old money and cheese.
Mr Mister and fancy wine lol
He's a condescending pretentious coastal elitist, with zero concept of his own bias.
Matt is a liberal? Hes a friend of mine lol thanks
@@neubianx coastal elitist? get your head out of your own asshole we're all americans. you conservative whiny bitch the liberal states pull the weight economically for most of your shithole flyover states. just california alone "the liberal cesspool" you inbreds like to call is the 6th largest economy in the world by itself. you're just looking to take offense to anything.
@J Swett please tell me that's not some gay-ass RWB on your profile pic?...... That shit is so guady.........the Invicta of Porsche tuning..........
I take it he doesn’t know about Tesla’s “superbottle” and system for cooling and how longtime car industry people like Munro raves about it.
What is that exactly? Porsche's heat management system sounded really cool and superior. I didn't know Tesla had something similar.
Then why tesla can't do full throttle all the time? But taycan can?
"Superbottle"
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Aaron Goad, I thought you might be interested in this video about the Tesla cooling system.
@@aidilmubarock5394 they could, but its no good for range. a bunch of dumb fucks would get themselves stranded and try to say its teslas fault
Keep in mind that was an innovation for the Model 3 and was used as technical marketing for the drive-train; it was not back-ported to the Model S as far as I know. Additionally, what Matt said about repeated launches, that's also true to some degree for Model S and not true for Model 3. Again, the comparison is Taycan to Model S.
Please tell me more about the strange Thermal management system.
The Taycan also makes a spaceship sound when you accelerate and if you put it in sport+ it gets louder. It really feels like you're driving something from the future. Combustion engine 4 life tho!
Spaceships don't make any sound at all but I know what you mean.
no one needs to go around a 10 mile German racetrack at full tilt in a 5 door EV sedan. if you do, drive a different car while charging your EV.
True but nobody say they do, the NBR track is just the benchmark for every car manufacturer...
13 miles and it's a benchmark of what the car can do.
Well if we drive this train of thought to its logical conclusion you can just drive some low consuming granny mobile. Gets you from point A to point B. You do drive one? Or are you just making excuses for Tesla? I have hunch on the answer...
@@algek7207 I drive a 350hp BRZ.
It’s a high performance sports sedan not an economy car.... it’s a fucken Porsche what do you expect?
it is actually the exact opposite charging cars could steblize the grid and use up cheap electricity no one needs and feed it back to the grid when you need it.
Not to mention that the grid is increasingly more "renewable", (Solar, wind, etc..) Things like induction roads are under research and testing as we speak, so that you don't have to stop to charge your car. None of that is possible with internal combustion.
That guy is talking as if every one owned an EV and charged at supercharger speed level all at the same time.
If everyone was charging at ~30 amps, it wouldn’t cause any problem to the grid.
@@maxpelletier2237 you don’t know that also there isn’t unlimited electricity
@@blakeochellaschool6659 Actually, I know that we don’t have unlimited capacity. But we do have unlimited electricity with renewables. Thing is, people won’t switch to EV in one day and crush the grid by all charging at the same time. The grid will have time to adapt to supply the required capacity. But most charging is at night, while demand is at the lowest, and an EV is responsible for about 20% of a household consumption. Nothing to be scared about.
Heat management? He just described the heat pump that all new Teslas, including my Model Y, already have.
You gotta love someone who knows so little and speaks so confidently....and Joe just sits there feeding him more rope. Priceless.
@n s Never said the Tesla is better. You did.
Ahahahahahah this was a great way to put it.
took me about the whole video to realize those are 2 different people and not one talking to himself lol
Most people charge at home. We only charge at stations when traveling and that only happens a couple of times a year at best
They have valid points on the power grid. It doesn't matter where you charge -- electricity doesn't get produced out of thin air. The current power grid isn't capable of a rapid change in power demand.
@@Cartier_specialist depends where the grid is and how that power is being generated
@@Cartier_specialist You don't need rapid charge while sleeping.
Demand spikes in the morning and noon are already very high and I doubt that cars charging over night would have an impact on the grid that would be of any concern. Where I live, most electric ovens are connected to 400V.
The "current" power grid is constantly developing. They work on it since we discovered electricity.
The Irony of Matt talking about someone stealing his CZcams video on JRE Clips is not lost
Taycan has an official EPA range of only 201 miles. That's terrible. It's ESPECIALLY terrible for the price they're charging for that vehicle. It's 5 days since this has been posted and this podcast already hasn't aged well. Tesla is CRUSHING the competition.
Priceeeee rangggggee brrroooooo
smoove criminal the car Matt drove starts at $185K.
There are no EPA ranges for Taycan yet. Only WLTP and CARB. I think it's safe to say Porsche won't have anywhere near the range of Tesla Model S, but I'm not sure how much that will matter to the Porsche enthusiasts.
BTICronox , Do you think its fair to compare the two cars when their prices differ so greatly?
BTICronox for instance?
BTICronox 1. Both Battery packs are comparably inefficient when you drive at high speeds. Their sizes are highly comparable.
2. You’re referring to regenerative braking i assume? If so then your figures are not nearly correct. If it was possible for the Porsche to regenerate 265kW it’d most likely have near 4 times the range it has.
3.Acceleration is factual, a Clear win for the Taycan. I do think a 0-60mph comparison is more relevant where the difference is only .1s but the Taycan is a better sports Car.
4.Its a porsche , so i do agree handling should be better.
5.True, although the comparison between a perfect tesla and perfect Taycan is much closer i must agree Teslas smaller scale does lead to more prevalent mistakes.
6.The porsche does have a somewhat greater charging speed 200kW at DC chargers compared to 150kW of the tesla. This is before taking into account the new 800V architecture Tesla is patenting as well as the enormous gap in the amount of Porsche chargers available in comparison to Tesla. Although Porsche drivers will be able to use the Tesla superchargers im sure we can both agree that one company’s charity shouldnt be counted as a win for the other.
7.If you knew a little bit of Chemistry you wouldn’t make this argument as both cars are similarly inefficient at high speeds and considering the comparably sized battery packs and that the Tesla’s wheels are much more efficient i’m sure you’ll reconsider.
8. This is impossible for you to know right now. A good time frame in the automotive industry is 5 years of general use. Within that time frame you can compare mechanical errors and make a judgement call, this is in the gasoline car segment. For EV’s you may have to wait longer.
9. Again, a little bit of chemistry and you’d see both packs as equally untrustworthy.
10.Comfort in a 5-door family sedan is not comparable to a 3-door sports car. Although it also shouldnt be compared as i’m sure Porsche was more concerned with the lap time.
11. Intuitiveness* , this is false. If you truly think Tesla lacks innovation and practicality i think you may be too biased to really be able to compare the two.
Now to counter you i think when taking into account the enormous difference in price, Tesla’s better Range and Tesla’s infrastructure when considering the Supercharger network the Gap closes quite a lot. I don’t think either of these cars are really comparable as they’re not for the same buyer. I think both do things right in their own respects and both will be success stories for their respective companies as well as the EV market as a whole.
Ya sounds like he just doesn’t like Tesla.
If you look at the two performance wise the taycan is in its own league bruh
lmao all the tesla fan boys getting mad when someone doesn't suck Elon's dick is the problem
Lacha bibilachvili all the Tesla haters get triggered when someone says the Tesla is actually a good car (which they do)
Really not the case. Matt is pretty car smart and Tesla is just not Porsche. Both cars are both awesome, but coming from a long term car guy perspective, Porsche has the pedigree, and is the better car/basically next gen performance EV.
Jake N Tesla’s are average cars
One of the craziest things I’ve seen on the road was in Florida (of course) a dune buggy going down the road at 70 with sparks flying off the rim and no sign of any intention to stop.
On potential mass charging:
I charge my car at a slow rate over the day (at home via solar or at work) and that charge lasts a week, it's not like everyone is always fast-charging at the same time!
So I sure do believe that EVs are feasible for large Urban environments as well!
Parking garages, workplaces, and destinations, in general, simply need to set up more chargers sooner!
"screaming at their iPods"
“1.21 Gigawatt!!”. Great Scott!!!
I read somewhere that someone misread Gigawatt, and they went with it. I think it was 1.21 ;)
I feel like Jy-z will spell it Jigga-watt
Don’t entirely agree on LA not being able to charge a 90percent EV fleet though. Buffering can do a lot. And the transistion will be gradual.
Porsche Taycan has an EPA range of 201 miles. Almost half of model S long range.
Andrea LT but it charges in a jiffy and we can’t afford it anyways :-)