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Abba Center Stand: Worth it?
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2018
- I broke the 2016 Ninja!! I need a new stand option. Is this it?
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I just got an ABBA stand for my 2003 R1. I watched the manufacturer’s video and read the instructions. After that it was a simple process and mega stable. Way better than any paddock stand I have used before. Good bit of British engineering. It might not be as quick as the paddock option, but I cannot fault the ABBA. Worth every penny folks as far as I am concerned.
It's is well engineered and well built, for sure. I wound up selling mine as it was redundant to the paddock, triple tree and table lifts that I already have.
Hi. I'm late to the party here but thought I would throw my experience with ABBA stand in here anyway. I know you were forced into the ABBA purchase by the loss of your spool mount and so I think that your comparison with a regular paddock stand isn't really comparing apples with apples. I own an ABBA stand as well as a rear paddock stand. The paddock stand is my go to for regular parking and chain maintenance and as you have shown its far easier and quicker to lift and stabilise the bike with the paddock stand. There is no doubt that the ABBA can be awkward to get set up correctly and its definitely not something I would want to do every day. To me the ABBA purely as a maintenance stand. I bought it initially as I had requirement to remove and replace the rear shock which you can't do with a paddock stand. I have since added the front lift arm attachment and as you stated this allows unhindered access to the front forks and steering head bearings. Greasing/replacing or adjusting the bearings is as easy as it can be and can't be done with a head lift. I had not noticed the lack of stability you highlighted but can't deny your findings. I don't considering it dangerous though. One time when removing the stand I mistakenly omitted to put down the kick stand and lean't the bike fully to the left. Nothing happened. it just leaned over further than it would on the kickstand and the ABBA held it up! So you may feel you are losing some rearward stability but in the very unlikely situation of it tipping back it still wouldn't topple sideways. I wouldn't be without my ABBA stand now and for shock access or when there is a requirement to have the front or both wheels of the ground I won't use anything else. Far better than front and rear stands for those situations. Really enjoying your channel. Keep it up.
BobbyBlue - Thanks for the comment. That was one of the most, thoughtful, well laid out and balanced responses. So you clearly get the point. I'm not "dissing" the Abba stand. It's no replacement, in my opinion for a rear axel paddock stand, not for a full lift and without the addition of the front wheel lift, it does present some instability when pressure is exerted at the rear wheel. Not unmanageable just not solid like a being supported from the spools. That said, adding the optional front wheel lift DOES add stability and as you said, provides unique lifting capability to service the steering head like no other lift can provide. Do I like it? Yes! Does it replace the rear stand? No. Does it replace my table lift? No. Is it a tool you should have in your arsenal? Depends.... particularly if you do a lot of "gotta lift the font wheel and triple tree lift or lifting from forks is not an option. Again, thanks for the thoughtful comment.
I agree, my best friend gave me his abba stand when he purchased the abba sky lift. He swears by that and it's great for working standing up, front or rear service jobs.
I agree ☝️ paddock stands just for cleaning is so much quicker and simpler but tearing the bike down ABBA stand is great like you have said
Worth every penny imo. 21 Cb1000r and this stand is VERY stable if you get the stand and inserts on properly. The amazing part is it only took 4 days to arrive on my doorstep form the UK. Amazing service. I would recommend. You won't be disappointed.
I have the Abba stand with my 2021 Triumph Tiger 900GT. When mine is lifted, I put my foot on the swing arm and try to force the rear end of the bike to the ground. My bike does not budge. It could be a difference in bike, but mine is rock solid.
Brilliant bit of kit. I have not any stability issues. I also bought the front lift add on.👍👍
ABBA stands are great especially with the accessory part to strap the back end down. You should remove the bobbins/spools of the rear end after you have done the maintenance work on your bike as stated in the manual. 👍
Thanks for this. Paddock stands don't work on my Bonneville. This may be the answer. Maybe a paddock stand for the front?
Obviously did NOT watch the manufacturers video on how to use the stand, its much easier than he makes it.
It's so unstable compared to the rear stands I'm used to using... yeah, I made it look hard. Feels like the bike has a 50-50 shot of falling over. I know that's not really the case but.... It's a good product and well made. Stability and probably more important, ease of use for VERY regular chain maintenance, its just not as convenient as a rear stand. Let's be clear, I screwed up and snapped my rear spool mounts on my exhaust!! My bad. TIG welding is in the future.
ABBA Canter Stand - Hey Wrenchie I bought this stand two years ago as my 1st stand and I love it but I also got the Front & Rear package 2 which provides that rear stability you are looking for. I still use the swing arm spools but I take them on and off each time I use the the stand...The default steup is to use the left side of the bike but since you broke the left spool mount you can use the Front & Rear package 2 and just wrap the cinch strap around the swing arm or you can use the right side of the bike and the spool...either way you get that stability you are looking for...The Front & Rear package 3 allows you to move the bike while on the stand. I didn't get this option because I really didn't think I would need it and so far I haven't. Anyway the extra $80 or so was worth it for me. Hope this helps
Genius! Thanks Surf Alien! I was hoping that there was an answer for the stability issue. I'm still a bit disappointed that Abba hasn't figured out a way to stabilize the basic unit. I'm going to contact them to see if they have any suggestions. Again, thanks for the comment. I feel a little more comfortable further investing by purchasing the the Front and Rear package. Got another vid coming this week. It's a cool tool I bought. Changed my world! well, sort of. You'll see.
Yeah... I thought I should have gotten that other piece as well. It looks like it adds a lot of functionality and stability
I have a versus 650.
The stand will not lift the rear wheel of the ground.
My solution was to put a strip of wood under the length of the base bar.
In doing so, the two front feet dropped lower to the ground. Altering the final angle of the stand.
This has made the stand more stable when fitted
You should post a picture of that setup
You can take a black sharpie or magic marker and touch up those scrapes
Put a cable tie around front brake lever stop it rolling backwards
Did you consider strap locking the front brake ?
If wrenching down on back, zip tie the front brake. Will stop bike from rolling
use a paddocks stand with square frame adapters
You would always torque up with it back on ground.
have checked all of the stands (paddock) and lift stands available on the market currently. Made my own rear paddock stand when I picked up my bike in '18. Cost me about 8-10 bucks plus the two spools for the rear swing arms. Use it all the time. However, I had to get the front end off the floor to do wheel/tire/fork work. The best (and most easiest to use) lift that I could find was the Abba Superbike lift. I ordered the Package 2, which includes the attachment and tubes to enable the front wheel to be lifted as well.
It not only enables the front wheel to be lifted, but provides even more stability overall. ( the added cost was only $85, and I believe it's worth the peace of mind. ) I considered the apparent "wobbliness" it appeared to have in the manufacturer's video and decided to order the Package 2. No wobble with Package 2.
You appear to like the lift overall and my suggestion is either weld a sleeve onto one of the uprights and insert a bar (with a bolt to secure it) that is angled down to the floor, towards the rear.
Or else order the add-ons from Abba and be done with it.
Price of the lift (package 2) is by far the most economical route and all tolled, it works well.
Just sayin...
Thank Peter for the thoughtful comment. I agree with you about the inherent wobbliness of the abba stand without the add on kit. It’s no better than when I first started using it but I trust it a lot more than at first. Since I was stupid enough to sheer the swing arm spool mount off the bike, will the front wheel kit work without the strap mounting to the spool? Other than removing the swing arm to tig weld a new spool mount ( can’t find a reliable welder that will do it while swing arm still mounted) what other home remedy might suffice while using front end kit?
I've just borrowed one and bought my own frame inserts. It's got the extra feet and it's sweet as hell. I'm about to whip the forks off and this is the safest way I've ever done it! Usually it's a precarious and imminently deadly array of straps and blocks of any wood available and car axle stands and bravery! This feels like cheating! Defo get the front lift attachment. Or make it, it's simple stuff but I'm impressed. I say get a few friends to chip in together and split the cost and just keep switching it around as it's needed... it's pricey but superb! I'd say the top line model with wheels and high lift etc would be present in my dream garage now. I'll rave about Abba stands now forever, I might seriously struggle to give this borrowed one back lol
Lol! Great feedback I will look to get the front lift. Though I also now have a pit bull triple tree lift. So many choices
It is perfect for my short wheel base, center to rear gravity of my 2019 CB1000-R 🙂👍 now i can Do an oil change with little pressure on my neck, i can clean lube chain with ease as well. I use everything Motul for my brand new Horse, K&N Filters, Motul 7100 4T 10W40 engine oil, premium Fuel from Costco & a small spoon of Startron fuel additive sometimes.
Your Videos are amazing and the way you teaches us… Hats off dear and Thumbs up from Pakistan 👍
If ypu purchase the bars you can lift both wheels off of the floor and then there's no way the stand can rock backwards at all. I love the stand for taking both wheels off of the bike for a tyre change. Also if you only have the stand secure the front brake lever and the bike cannot move backwards as all the weight is on the front wheel. Great video.
Fast forward to 17:13.
Looking at getting one of these because I don't have any stands for my SV650 and the stand costs less than having the local shop pull apart my bike to work on the suspension. The basic unit really just reminds me of a stationary center stand, but I'm looking at the front/rear package so I can pull the forks off, too.
It helps that I'd be buying both parts together, so it's only an extra $50 to get the front lift addon. Gonna be way safer than lifting the back of my bike with ratchet straps and a ladder, anywho.
I'd get the full package. I tried one at a friends house with the additional part that lets you lift the front wheel. It's much more stable with this optional piece. Though for lifting the front wheel so I can work on the forks, I like my Pit Boss triple tree lift. Real stable.
Same goes to me, lost one side of the spool mount. But i used the L shape paddock. easy
It's a good job I didn't watch this before I bought my abba, complete with the front wheel lift kit, you might have talked me it of buying the best bike stand out there, but then I don't try to use mine one handed while filming myself !!
True True. It is a well made product. I had other expectations - I needed to rear axle stand and honestly, these are different products with different features. Not replacements for each other. Abba can do things that rear spool stands can't (as long a you have the additional front wheel lift kit) and for what rear stands can do, they do it better than Abba and cheaper.... but they are limited.
My kit arrived yesterday, now i'll be able to remove the front wheel more easily for new tyres and balancing without having to resort to a pile of bricks or hanging it from the ceiling. 😉 Joking about either of those methods, but I did walk in on the local bike shop while fitting new tyres to my VFR only to see it fully dangling from their ceiling with straps so they could remove both wheels together. 🤦♂️. I'll be doing my own from now on.
@@b19dae Sweet! Post a pic when you're set up!
Great stand .it is solid . If you're worried about it moving get the two arms and that lifts the front too . Most stands move unless you pay hundreds of pounds buying a really professional one .
Yeah... thanks Dylan. I was hoping those extensions would stabilize it. A lot of fuss for lubing a chain :)
Get the front wheel lift kit that gose with the stand I've got it and its great bike is soild once up in the air
Did you compare it to any others before purchasing. Like Pit Bull or Bursig?
I totally agree with you wrenchie!I,v got one and I understand exactly what you mean!their expensive enough without having to fork out more money just to make it feel safe!!
Finally someone agrees! A little post mortem and long term use followup: I'm MUCH better at setting up and hoisting the bike on the Abba stand. I feel its more stable going up on the stand and down again... so I chalk that up to experience. However, front to rear stability is still not stable and I guess not meant to be. Its sort of growing on me. BTW- gonna buy a Head-lift stand so I can perform a fork oil change. Never did that before so that will be a new adventure.
I need an abba stand, because previous owner has messed up 1 of the screwholes of the spools because there's a stuck iron bolt in the aluminium mount. So yeah, i guess i am just going to look for center standd instead then.
Hi Flipje - I know the problem, same with my 2016 Ninja 1000 - missing one rear axle spool. I figured out another option if you have a Ninja 1000: Buy two long 12mm hex wrenches (that fit into the chain adjusters on the N1K). Make sure they fit snug and are inserted all the way. Then use your rear axle / paddock lift using the hex wrenches as support surfaces. :)
So get the iron out there are tools for that, OMG
You should have showed us how to weld a new lug to the swingarm,It wouldn't have taken as long!!!
Ha! I'd be happy to!! Please send me a TIG welder!! :) . I may just go get it welded as not having rear spools is a pain
You would have to be really trying hard to knock your bike off the abba superbike stand. The front lift bar does provide a bit more guarantee but you would have to wrap the strap around your swing arm to lift the front wheel as you don't have a bobbin mount anymore 😜 Another option might be the Moto glide, which is basically a wheeled base that the superbike stand locks into. Either way, I think your bike would only fall over with the stand attached through operator error and a conventional paddock stand would fall foul of the same type of operator... The type that perhaps wouldn't check the clearances of his paddock stand bobbins perhaps?🤔
LOL! Yes, yes. Who would get bobbins too long for the exhaust?? Looser!! Thanks for the tip! :)
You made that look like hard work LOL
Yeah... its a talent :) It's harder than the pit stand, that's for certain. Found a place to weld the spool mounts back on... screw this!
@@Wrenchie I think you really need to watch the video on the Abba site. I used mine for the first time today and it was very easy. You made it look difficult and at one point I thought you were going to scratch your frame trying to get the second side of the stand in place. My bike was really stable and I could sit on it one the stand was in place.
@@ThePyeman Truth be told, I'm getting much better at using the stand. It's stability is good, side-to-side. Front-to-back requires the added bar that allows you to lift the front. I may get this to perform fork service. Though, I'm first going to see if my new scissor lift will work on the N1K. It came with my new table lift. Check out that video.
Use a small scissor jack to lift the front
clamp the front brake on. Very stable.
How does that keep the bike from rocking back and forth along its length?
@@Wrenchie watch your own video - the front tire is rolling as you rock the bike. With the front wheel locked by brakes, it will be more stable. Could still be pulled back, but more difficult.
I have one and stability hasn't been an issue on any bike and torquing up a rear spindle on my fireblade has been fine and pulling on the back of the bike gives you more leverage to make the bike move. I feel that you purchased the abba stand as distress purchase as you had no other option and that has tainted your views and opinions, which is natural. Spending good money to get back to where you were before the bobbin broke is sickening, plus the damage to your lovely bike is cutting. I'm sure you will grow to like it.
Super reasonable comment. And I have grown to like the stand a lot more. I still feel it would be better with the optional front package. I haven't purchased it (yet) as I have a triple-tree stand that works fine for front end work. Also, Abba doesn't fit on the table lift. Rather, the Abba product could in many respects work in lieu of the table lift. Since using the lift, I do prefer to bring to my head rather than my head to the work. On the other hand, you have to tie down the bike on the lift (straps) where none of that is required on the Abba. At the end of the day, its all personal preference.
I am 'Head over heels' with this product...Abba..
Concern it’ll roll back when torqueing 😂. Ratchet strap the front rim to a forward anchor point 🤷🏻♂️. Fkn welding 🤯🤣🤣 overkill bro
Looks like you didn't read the instructions.
Played this at double-speed and it STILL feels too slow to watch.
A simple 2 inch thick short plank under the bottom bar just before you apply lift
Allow the plank to not rest the front feet of the stand
This allows a better angle when bike is lifted and it absolutely will not pull back
no penetration on that weld, that,s why it broke off !!
Have to admit, the design is not robust.... MY fault for having spools too long. Better the spool than the exhaust
@@Wrenchie it would have been a bitch, if it broke off, when you was lifting the bike !!
Just fit as enter stand easy 🤗🤗👌🏻👌🏻
You have to get the additional front bar addition. When you buy everything together get a bit of deal. Then there isn't any issues with movement back and forth. Can do all maintenance. Don't buy those crap front and rear stands. Useless and a waste of money.
Use stand on the swing arm..the stand you have also have rubber support ..use them to lift your bike from rear swing arm ..that will do the trick without spools
Yes, correct. Problem is I'm super lazy. I have two bikes and the rear stand is set for the one with spools. flipping the spool brackets over for the swing arm mounts and back each time was not something I wanted to hassle with... sounds easier now...
@@Wrenchie ..use the same style on both bikes ..they both have same swing arm frame so ..that would be easy for you ..if you are lazy 😂
@@atifrashid1421 Hmmmm.... true, true.
But I like the spools on the other bike!! First world problem.
@@Wrenchie then buy another rear stand stingy!!! It is not that expensive!!
@@Vasetousa Wow... I have a stable of stands! Abba, a rear paddock, a front axel and a triple tree lift. I don't want any more stands!!! :)
The bike manufacturer just put something way too weak
I have abba and I wouldn't use anything else again. Total rubbish paddock stands compared to abba, you can get attachments to allow the front wheel lifted aswell. 🇬🇧
I think I may do a follow up video on the Abba stand. I've been (have had to ) using it for about a year or more now. I'm FAR better at getting it on the stand and am more comfortable with the stability... like where its awesome and where I either need to be careful or perhaps, like you suggest, get that additional bar.
obviously a brit but I'm sure it's a good stand 🇺🇸
@@michaelsteven1090 look on CZcams and yes I'm a brit
I have the same 'standard' stand as you show. It took me a while to get 'slick' with it and then ... love it. Thanks for the 'warning' about the pulling off to the rear 'danger', I hadn't really experienced that but can see what you mean.
I want this whole package now - just looking to buy it, which is how I came across your video film.
this is what I'm wanting to get now:
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How boring, clearly didn’t watch the manufacturers video on how to use it. I have one of these and they are simply the best stand you can get. Get the kit to pick the front wheel off the ground and it is rock solid.
So. You make my point. Not stable front to rear without the additional kit. I’ve since been using it regularly and have more trust in its ability. Just gotta be careful about putting weight on rear.
Skip to 9 minutes… your welcome
i use pitbull - need a lift - ill skip the center stand
Ok, so I watched the abba video about the additional bar and it really makes the bike stable in any way! So, you need the bar! Now, you said you watched it too, but then you did not buy the bar and you made a whole video bitching that your bike is somewhat not stable if you push the rear end. I like some of your videos, but it seems to me you like to talk a lot and say nothing. It takes forever for you to get to the point!!! Why make this video at all? There is no purpose for it! Buy the proper setup and use it... or not! But don't complain about something you did not do right from the beginning
So, your point, is that the manufacturer of the Abba stand is selling a product that REQUIRES another $85 to make it stable?? The base product is no good without the extra bar? That is not the message from the manufacturer. They advertise the additional bar so you can lift the front and rear wheels together, not as a necessary item to make their base model stable front-to-rear.
The final analysis is that it's a well made product that performs as advertised. I. like most people, do a lot of work on the rear tire, sprockets, brakes, etc. that requires downward force over the rear wheel. This stand teeters backwards when that downward force is applied. And it doesn't take that much to teeter the bike. For $230 US, I would have hoped that is was more stable. $315 (cost of stand plus $85 for front lift arm) makes it the most expensive stand I've seen on the market. Damn right it better be stable. Oughta change your oil for you for that price.
I quote from their site: "Looking to purchase your first motorcycle stand? Or maybe your currently struggling with the awkward, tedious and risky balancing act required to use a conventional paddock stand safely on your own? Either way look no further than the abba Superbike Stand. This total one person operation stand fits onto the swing-arm pivot of the motorcycle. The beauty of the abba superbike stand is it can be simply fitted when your bike is leaning on its own side stand therefore eliminating the need to hold the bike upright whilst trying to fit a stand to the bike, as you would have to do with a conventional paddock stand. The bike can then simply and safely be lifted into the upright position using the integral telescopic extension lever.
This abba race type stand requires no modifications or parts to be fitted to your bike whatsoever, your machine stays totally standard. Should you change your motorcycle its a simple case of upgrading your fitting kit for your new machine, fittings can be changed on the stand in a matter of seconds.
The abba Superbike Stand locks to both sides of your bike, ensuring rock solid security when your bike is fitted to the stand.
Both wheels can be safely suspended off the ground at the same time when used with the abba front lift arm or even your own jack/prop. You can purchase the Superbike Stand & Front Lift Arm at a discounted package price here"
So boring