Forged vs Cast Piston Strength!

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  • @motorheadbanger950
    @motorheadbanger950 Před rokem +3427

    I hate when a hammer goes down my intake valve

  • @Barbaratio
    @Barbaratio Před 9 měsíci +1413

    "oh bummer, the ring land broke, no more compression." The monotone just made it even better.

    • @Lucidio2
      @Lucidio2 Před 4 měsíci +12

      Sounds like my brother, as he’s on the phone telling me about it while keeping on driving

    • @zatomlzxzanamolzy1253
      @zatomlzxzanamolzy1253 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@Lucidio2😂

    • @Wretched2JZ
      @Wretched2JZ Před 4 dny

      @@Lucidio2ahhh shit 🙈 I mean I don’t think so but many people have told me that my voice sounds perfect for something like that
      I don’t know.. to me it just never seems like a compliment, you know 🥸

  • @brandonking277
    @brandonking277 Před 10 měsíci +671

    "I'm pushing like 350 HammerPower."

    • @stran9adan9a63
      @stran9adan9a63 Před 7 měsíci +8

      I'm using this term instead of thermal energy from now on🤣🤣🤣

    • @paulshearer4569
      @paulshearer4569 Před 4 měsíci

      I’m probably only around 265 HP/Hammer Power!!!
      -But, but, but I keep her clean though!!! Lol
      [True 90’s teenager will know this “altered” reference in a heartbeat!
      ***Hint:
      Character was referencing “Rim Size” in the movie.***
      ~Let me know if you get the Reference without looking it up! *No Cheating!!!*

    • @user-rk8np5em8b
      @user-rk8np5em8b Před měsícem

      Good man

    • @racingdaily3674
      @racingdaily3674 Před 14 dny

      650 HammerPower

  • @wrenbrighton2358
    @wrenbrighton2358 Před rokem +519

    Very nice demo! Love hearing this guy explain stuff he's so chill and approachable.

    • @shenolrdezhebov528
      @shenolrdezhebov528 Před rokem +4

      approachable. he is calm.
      I wish I hd masters like him while I am growing up on my profession

    • @stilostan-the1st
      @stilostan-the1st Před 9 měsíci

      I'd call it monotone and boring

    • @wrenbrighton2358
      @wrenbrighton2358 Před 9 měsíci

      @@stilostan-the1st Then watch something else.

    • @Boobie.Rashard
      @Boobie.Rashard Před 9 měsíci +1

      Definitely monotone. Makes it more comical though

    • @sushimementomori7239
      @sushimementomori7239 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@stilostan-the1stI mean, there’s not many ways you could make this more interesting. It’s a simple Demonstration, not a movie.

  • @andydelassus2734
    @andydelassus2734 Před 7 měsíci +60

    “Forged piston for sale, like new”

  • @TradeWindsMarine
    @TradeWindsMarine Před rokem +461

    He did hit that forged piston hard 😂

    • @Asceticism_N
      @Asceticism_N Před rokem +94

      Same sound as the cast iron so no bs. But wondering which car that forged piston went in. 😂😂

    • @Fatboypeet
      @Fatboypeet Před 11 měsíci +16

      He hit the cast one on the tip

    • @BoostedFA
      @BoostedFA Před 10 měsíci +78

      He definitely hit both of them on the edge.

    • @edmundnlemadim8480
      @edmundnlemadim8480 Před 10 měsíci +9

      @@Fatboypeet like boosted FA said, both were hit on the edge..

    • @edmundnlemadim8480
      @edmundnlemadim8480 Před 10 měsíci +12

      @@Asceticism_N probably in no car, since you can buy 4032 forged pistons for as little as 90 bucks for a single... probably made that back in youtube revenue, and then some, already

  • @ricotheunprofessional
    @ricotheunprofessional Před rokem +288

    I fuckin love this man!

    • @thirteen12
      @thirteen12 Před rokem +5

      I never met Bob Ross but I talked to Mike, all the same Zen, but way faster

  • @huckleberryred472
    @huckleberryred472 Před 7 měsíci +114

    Moral of the story: don’t fill your gas tank with hammers

    • @loercayt6146
      @loercayt6146 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Or this guy with the hammer

    • @FLORIDAMANIAM-he2lz
      @FLORIDAMANIAM-he2lz Před 5 měsíci +2

      Moral to the story forged is more resistant to force.

    • @RegulerShowTV
      @RegulerShowTV Před 3 měsíci

      if you’ve ever seen the carnage and aftermath from a boosted motor blowing up, youd know how legit this demonstration is. cast pistons legit explode if anything goes wrong, forged slugs can save your block from having an inspection hole in the side of it lol

  • @ruthlessgtr1624
    @ruthlessgtr1624 Před rokem +71

    Forged means a lot to my pockets and the legend pulled one out of the box to strike. Means a lot for demonstration to all enthusiasts/mechanics that are constantly learning non stop! Kudos

    • @Airman..
      @Airman.. Před 9 měsíci +1

      Frankly not a lot compared to OEM maybe 2 to 3x

    • @Jm-dx9tl
      @Jm-dx9tl Před 8 měsíci

      I got 4 for like $600 cad. They definitely werent that much. His social media presence pays for that at least

  • @Slowfoo
    @Slowfoo Před rokem +113

    "Mike from moto IQ here, In this video, I will demonstrate why in every video I make I have a huge smile."

    • @Fee.1
      @Fee.1 Před 9 měsíci +6

      Marijuana is a hell of a drug

    • @everettstormy
      @everettstormy Před 7 měsíci

      I make I have a big smile he's does it too me

    • @smartcookie3500
      @smartcookie3500 Před 5 měsíci +1

      He's high AF! ⛽😆

  • @jonsingle1614
    @jonsingle1614 Před 7 měsíci +43

    I switched from a cast thumb to a forged thumb for the very same reason....take that you stinking hammer !

  • @bachmansgarage2593
    @bachmansgarage2593 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Just from experience if that's a SBC it's still gonna run, not gonna sound good but it will, I have a forged 0.60 piston with a intake valve that broke off and flipped around and went straight through the top of the piston and into the connecting rod and wrist pin, cracked the block on cylinder 7 and completely blew that end of the head off the block, made it the 5 miles home firing on 6 cylinders and never fell below 100mph

  • @JC-vc7tf
    @JC-vc7tf Před rokem +87

    I'm surprised I've never seen that done before, makes a lot of sense too

    • @JackoTJK
      @JackoTJK Před rokem +30

      not many people willing to hit a $200 piston to show how strong it is

    • @timothykappel198
      @timothykappel198 Před 10 měsíci

      Not really

  • @gabrielthesingingpilot
    @gabrielthesingingpilot Před měsícem +7

    Now that's some "knock" right there

  • @danielbroce2035
    @danielbroce2035 Před rokem +151

    The father figure of car guys🙌🏽

  • @realweston
    @realweston Před 7 měsíci +21

    “Bummer the ring land broke.” You my favorite kind of science teacher

  • @Pitchplus8
    @Pitchplus8 Před 7 měsíci +13

    When the crankcase becomes the weakest part in your engine 💪😁

    • @realbigtuna667
      @realbigtuna667 Před 5 měsíci +1

      When the driveline can't handle the badass engine you built 🤑

  • @ckelly9747
    @ckelly9747 Před 7 měsíci +6

    Gives "PUTTING THE HAMMER DOWN" an awesome graphic.

    • @ryanscott1316
      @ryanscott1316 Před 6 měsíci

      Ya that a whole new idea 😂
      #HammerTime

  • @birbcollective7142
    @birbcollective7142 Před rokem +10

    You’ve convinced me

  • @ImmortalOnenesss
    @ImmortalOnenesss Před 10 měsíci +17

    Oh my, what ever shall I do .. I have no choice but to go fully forged now , from top to bottom due to the represented force of detonation .. to ensure the wife and kids get to school and work in a .. safe manner 😗😏

    • @Weldemall2
      @Weldemall2 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Just go billet😂

    • @kinsmart7294
      @kinsmart7294 Před 6 měsíci

      Yeah, wonder how long would an all forget billet engine last if it remained with stock configurations

  • @leviscott8519
    @leviscott8519 Před 6 měsíci +2

    MIKE Drops another useful gearhead bomb on our asses! NICE! Love this guy

  • @Pompomgrenade
    @Pompomgrenade Před 6 měsíci +1

    😂 great demo, true wisdom🙈

  • @LifeAfterWideOpenThrottle
    @LifeAfterWideOpenThrottle Před 10 měsíci +1

    this is exactly how my piston looked after my engine failed. very helpful demo thank you

  • @oliver_klozoff
    @oliver_klozoff Před 9 měsíci +8

    Good advice for the next time I fill up my gas tank with hammers

    • @Antimatter.
      @Antimatter. Před 9 měsíci +4

      That’s exactly what low octane will do on a high horsepower car , basically pouring a bunch of hammers in your tank 😂

    • @oliver_klozoff
      @oliver_klozoff Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@Antimatter. 😂😂😂

  • @daren9721
    @daren9721 Před 8 měsíci +4

    This guys hilarious 😂

  • @randomtuna8254
    @randomtuna8254 Před měsícem +1

    Love the evo in the back!

  • @Twobarpsi
    @Twobarpsi Před rokem +1

    Great demo Mike!

  • @taoisttiger4702
    @taoisttiger4702 Před rokem +6

    Honestly i was waiting for the elon musk 'cybertruck' moment lol

  • @mikemartinez661
    @mikemartinez661 Před rokem +2

    Dude you’re awesome for explaining this

  • @2ride_along
    @2ride_along Před měsícem +2

    I like how he is composed and still you think that he will unleash at any moment…lol

  • @giftedcracker
    @giftedcracker Před 9 měsíci +16

    Subaru uses forged pistons for their sti in japan, but cast is the us. Because cast pistons get slightly better emissions on startup. Defund the epa.

    • @realbigtuna667
      @realbigtuna667 Před 5 měsíci

      EPA doesn't care about things like longevity, reliability, or emissions related to supply chains needed to support parts that must be made less reliable to fulfill running emissions regulations. Most likely incompetence.

    • @Ritchie472
      @Ritchie472 Před 2 měsíci

      Subaru also has the ring gap to tight so if it overheats to much it'll break a piston, because cold start emissions.

    • @a-animal1206
      @a-animal1206 Před měsícem +1

      Meanwhile in here the scam of USA dump trucks pour black smoke into the air but we're worried about cold startup emissions... This country is a fucking joke

  • @Kj16V
    @Kj16V Před 5 měsíci +2

    I've fitted many forged pistons, but never tried hitting one on purpose. Never knew they were that much stronger!

  • @IMODN2
    @IMODN2 Před 9 měsíci +1

    thank u for the lesson on Forged pistons ❤

  • @badassgararge2974
    @badassgararge2974 Před 8 měsíci +2

    To completely different hits , bud for illustration it’s fits the purpose

  • @hezues
    @hezues Před 4 měsíci +1

    I love how straight and simple that man is. Very good representation

  • @davidortiz173
    @davidortiz173 Před 2 měsíci +1

    This dude rocks!

  • @johnchamberlain5435
    @johnchamberlain5435 Před 6 měsíci +2

    I knew forged pistons were stronger than cast, but this really puts it in perspective. It also adds new meaning to pistons breaking in a top fuel engine!

    • @ajtanishq
      @ajtanishq Před 6 měsíci

      Yes forged piston are manufacturing for high strength

  • @adriancruz3554
    @adriancruz3554 Před 8 měsíci +1

    This is great!!! I love it

  • @arc00ta
    @arc00ta Před 3 měsíci +1

    I can’t be the only one that mentally stitched this with that men at work song when he hit it with the hammer, right?

  • @georgesanchez9714
    @georgesanchez9714 Před měsícem +1

    I love this video example!

  • @josephnorris5459
    @josephnorris5459 Před 6 měsíci +2

    When the little gremlins with hammers get into your engine.

  • @tthams73
    @tthams73 Před 3 měsíci +1

    That’s awesome! Great demonstration and totally true!

  • @smoothtee3053
    @smoothtee3053 Před 7 měsíci

    Straight to the point ☝️

  • @Meowface.
    @Meowface. Před 9 měsíci

    Haven’t seen you in years
    Since behind the smoke episodes on gtfchannel
    Glad to see you’re doing well !

  • @780brando
    @780brando Před 9 měsíci +3

    hahahahahaha my daily needs forged too tho, never know when those evil hammers are gonna come knockin

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  Před 9 měsíci +2

      It was a trick getting it past the intake valve.

  • @JommyGhee-ju8tc
    @JommyGhee-ju8tc Před 8 měsíci +1

    Great example 👍

  • @benitoloco892
    @benitoloco892 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Great video for auto repair students!

  • @Dc2nw
    @Dc2nw Před 6 měsíci +1

    Cant stop laughing 😂 u are so awesome 👏

  • @adamloveshondas3122
    @adamloveshondas3122 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Very well put …straight to the point even a kid can understand 🤪😂🤣

  • @Thr33.Sid3z
    @Thr33.Sid3z Před 2 měsíci +1

    Mike Kojima Spittin Fire Facts 🔥

  • @OMGITSAAAJ
    @OMGITSAAAJ Před 6 měsíci +2

    "Every time I put the hammer down the car shutters" -Customer who bought that forged piston 1 month later

  • @nicolasortiz5534
    @nicolasortiz5534 Před 10 měsíci

    I died at the "look at that" thats a great demo

  • @hooptiestv3220
    @hooptiestv3220 Před 4 měsíci

    😂😅 I needed that Stock one my boy …😢😂😂
    #HooptieTV

  • @angelcoronado6719
    @angelcoronado6719 Před 19 dny +1

    He did not hit them the same he hit that forged harder good demonstration😮

  • @tthams73
    @tthams73 Před 10 měsíci +1

    That’s impressive! I would not have imagined that much difference

  • @RC_Trailblazers
    @RC_Trailblazers Před 9 měsíci +4

    Anyone that has a GTR and Evo in there shop gets my vote.

    • @VIRUS8
      @VIRUS8 Před 7 měsíci

      Got those n my garage

  • @RjctdEK
    @RjctdEK Před rokem +6

    Mike is a very knowledgeable indeed really experienced and explains precisely. Glad he's always been successful with Falken tire FD & other motorsports. Keep it up mike

  • @coboscustoms4342
    @coboscustoms4342 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Well demonstrated

  • @Drunken_Hamster
    @Drunken_Hamster Před 9 měsíci +1

    Now do a semi-solid cast piston. The only ones that exist are marketed as "semi-forged" and they're an OEM upgrade for the 4AGE from Toyota. They're rated for 600hp in that engine. Semi-solid casting is a process where hypereutectic aluminum is heated up until it has a paste-like consistency and then I believe it is high-pressure squeezed into a mold or drop forged or something like that. The end result is a hypereutectic cast piston with an aligned grain structure, giving it the beneficial properties of forging (to a slightly lesser extent) as well as the beneficial properties of a cast piston (no piston slap, no or low blowby, not "warmup" period before safely romping).

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Who makes those? I have only heard of wheels made that way. 4032 alloy pistons are something similar.

    • @Drunken_Hamster
      @Drunken_Hamster Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@motoiq I literally said so in the comment. It's a set of factory-available pistons from Toyota for the 4AGE. They're 81mm in bore. They're marketed as "semi-forged" but the actual process is called "semi-solid cast."
      The ones from Toyota the only ones I know of. I wish the aftermarket had more of them for popular engines at a few different compression ratios.
      Also for the wheels, I think you're thinking of rotary forged, which is a different process altogether.

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  Před 9 měsíci

      It's because they probably don't exist and someone said that on the internet.

    • @collinpietsch5614
      @collinpietsch5614 Před 5 měsíci +1

      No they do exist The issue is that the equipment used to make it is quite expensive to maintain and let alone use. Toyota's the only manufacturer that offers them factory as an upgrade. During the process they were squeezed into a mold under high pressure like he said when they're turned into a paste like consistency. Giving very similar strength to a forged piston while giving you all the benefits of a hypertect it piston. But forged is stronger and can handle way higher temps.

  • @Joe_Cool48
    @Joe_Cool48 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Your piston:
    Turboflex piston:

  • @loganmbb
    @loganmbb Před měsícem +1

    The small block 350 with 7 pistons driving me home

  • @andrewlace
    @andrewlace Před 4 měsíci

    I always smile when I think "oh no, engine's not going to run" 😅

  • @tztezza
    @tztezza Před 3 měsíci

    That evo looks so nice in the background

  • @brucepeninsula2036
    @brucepeninsula2036 Před 9 měsíci

    This guy is the best. Always smiling

  • @E85_STI
    @E85_STI Před 9 měsíci +2

    Forged is much more forgiving than cast as I already broke my stock pistons a few years back but have been on forged engines since and they hold up

  • @fernandoramalho3644
    @fernandoramalho3644 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Excelent explanatio !!!

  • @wendyandmattschick7757
    @wendyandmattschick7757 Před rokem +1

    Subscribed!

  • @Bimmer_Bill
    @Bimmer_Bill Před rokem +1

    Mike is the man!

  • @anotheremerex
    @anotheremerex Před 6 měsíci +1

    note. he clearly said "in a race application". Heat expansion of the forged piston reduces longevity and increases wear over time

  • @TheRealBanana
    @TheRealBanana Před 10 měsíci +1

    I've seen quite a few cast pistons burn through the face to the underside right at the mold parting line. Makes me wonder if its concentrating heat at the thin raised line.

  • @bobbyhempel1513
    @bobbyhempel1513 Před 9 měsíci +2

    I hope that was a forged piston that was forged out of spec and was going to need some machining.

    • @ajtanishq
      @ajtanishq Před 6 měsíci

      Yes maching required for forged piston

  • @philly_beez
    @philly_beez Před 8 měsíci +3

    cast piston fits tighter and makes engine run smoother for longer

    • @everettstormy
      @everettstormy Před 7 měsíci

      Why would that be the case? They are Both aluminum and ordered to spec

    • @stoneyswolf
      @stoneyswolf Před 7 měsíci

      The expansion rates are different so the bore diameter will be a little sloppy for the forged pistons. But after the pistons warm up the clearance is the same.

    • @FLORIDAMANIAM-he2lz
      @FLORIDAMANIAM-he2lz Před 5 měsíci

      Wtf are you talking about. Forged pistons are whatever size you make them. You are like a child in this department dude.

    • @FLORIDAMANIAM-he2lz
      @FLORIDAMANIAM-he2lz Před 5 měsíci

      Forged piston are what blue prints are based off of. That fist motor they make when designing at the factory is made with forged part. They mass produce with cast pieces for affordability. So you are wrong 100 percent.

    • @everettstormy
      @everettstormy Před 5 měsíci

      @@FLORIDAMANIAM-he2lz that doesn't really make any sense becuase casting is cheap to proto type and forged parts are usually ordered based on bore spec for when you are building an engine. I found out later that it does expand slower than cast aluminum

  • @TribullsEnglishBulldogs
    @TribullsEnglishBulldogs Před 5 měsíci

    The hammers knocking in the engine again😂

  • @InternetGangster420
    @InternetGangster420 Před měsícem +1

    Dom: dudes gonna fry his pistons before the finish line

  • @RC-qt2zc
    @RC-qt2zc Před 9 měsíci +3

    Looks to me you hit the edge on the first one and the second you hit it on a flat spot you should do this again and hit both in the same spot

    • @everettstormy
      @everettstormy Před 7 měsíci +1

      I think he hit it the same place but I want to see him just smash them down the center

  • @Pinkielover
    @Pinkielover Před 9 měsíci +1

    Bobby Lee in only a few years 😂

  • @DeVoN420zz
    @DeVoN420zz Před 9 měsíci +1

    Its the grain structure of the metal, one is pored and one is compressed, the meturagry with a high silica content will prevent expantion seizure

  • @lostunder12
    @lostunder12 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I should use this an an example to describe detonation in an engine for my customers

  • @bleemmhuis
    @bleemmhuis Před 11 měsíci +1

    Solid advice 😂

  • @ashishpatel350
    @ashishpatel350 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Can't wait for 3d pistons

  • @sethv1488
    @sethv1488 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Hi Mike from I smoked too much before going to work today. LoL reminds me of that bugs Bunny cartoon where he's a bomb tester hitting all the bombs on the top and letting dud on them

    • @motoiq
      @motoiq  Před 5 měsíci

      You should smoke after work!

  • @KleinDash-mq1co
    @KleinDash-mq1co Před 9 měsíci

    The best example honestly! The combustion is the most important thing to make a vehicle move.

  • @Fortnitegan479
    @Fortnitegan479 Před měsícem +2

    i had a 10mm go down on my b16 but no never a hammer

  • @kevinmanning4880
    @kevinmanning4880 Před rokem +5

    So glad this man decided to do these videos and bless so many!

  • @jonh2408
    @jonh2408 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I'll remember to buy forged pistons next time I plan on hitting the edge of my pistons with a mallet

  • @user-me8qn9wv8e
    @user-me8qn9wv8e Před 9 měsíci

    Well said!!

  • @BrandonWillis-kf5zm
    @BrandonWillis-kf5zm Před 3 měsíci +1

    Metal is metal. The molecular structure is the FINAL product is the 🗝️

    • @tacokoer7821
      @tacokoer7821 Před 2 měsíci

      Id like to see you make a piston out of mercury, considering that its also a metal

  • @robertmason8341
    @robertmason8341 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I’m an engine builder too so I totally get what you are demonstrating 👍🏻 but you kinda hooked that cast piston right on the edge above its weakest spot-the ring land and then went straight down on the forged piston. Just saying! But yes, the cast piston doesn’t stand a chance against detonation versus the forged piston! 👍🏻

  • @eddiearchuleta615
    @eddiearchuleta615 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Now I just need a forged thumb

  • @ZillaZarate
    @ZillaZarate Před 3 měsíci +2

    Good thing I don’t have a hammer in my motor

  • @johnnys8489
    @johnnys8489 Před 14 dny

    The turbo flex test.😂😂

  • @Andres-wy5du
    @Andres-wy5du Před 9 měsíci +1

    This is nothin but the truth

  • @beezowdoodoozoppitybopbopb9488

    I'd love nothing more than to see you go in depth on 2618 vs 4036 alloy pistons. What are the realistic limits of a 4032 piston if that's what we choose over 2618 for clearance and lubricity purposes? Thanks for the content man, you're a gold mine of advanced knowledge.

  • @hserieshooligan1997
    @hserieshooligan1997 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Worth the investment 💪

  • @MAGA-Chad
    @MAGA-Chad Před 8 měsíci +2

    I had bought a "forged" piston for my motorbike a while back and tried to install it with the end of my hammer (plastic handle) but covered it up with a thin cloth rag so I didn't scuff anything.
    7 taps in and the center ringland shattered and compression ring bent...then my heart shattered after I realized what happened. (R.I.P. cheap eBay 196cc piston)

    • @gawdzalien2811
      @gawdzalien2811 Před 8 měsíci +1

      What happened

    • @MAGA-Chad
      @MAGA-Chad Před 8 měsíci

      @gawdzalien2811 Defective piston I guess. Forged pistons don't normally break that easily.

  • @ervankurniawan4932
    @ervankurniawan4932 Před rokem +1

    nice test

  • @jesusberlanga4346
    @jesusberlanga4346 Před 7 měsíci

    Love the science behind this

  • @Mrkittinsgaming
    @Mrkittinsgaming Před 5 měsíci +1

    Thank you god bless you

  • @clancy4freeswag562
    @clancy4freeswag562 Před 10 měsíci +1

    "Oh bummer"... bummer indeed Mike

  • @billiebleach7889
    @billiebleach7889 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Me: running out to check the air intake for hammers