What Exactly is a Primarch? | Warhammer 40k Lore
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- Primarchs are some of the most interesting, powerful characters in all of Warhammer 40k - but what are they exactly?
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Conquering a galaxy by using Gods and then telling everyone Gods don't exist is exactly the kind of based thing I'd expect the Emperor to do
S U B S C R I B E
Big E: "I'm not God!"
Also Big E: *wears golden armor with flaming sword and has phenomenal psychic powers*
One question might be unrelated to the video. Is there any Blank Space Marine?
Video idea what if the emperor of mankind wanted to be worshipped as a God and had created the esslarcy the imperial cult in order to defeat the chaos gods
Hello Majorkill,
Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.
I thought that the elder Gods were in charge of the warp up till slanessh birth...so wouldent the E have met them? Nit the chaos gods?....which makes their claim of theft valid...( from their point of view .. whatever he took the chais gods would have had ..)
"Big E may be your Father but he ain't your Daddy." - Konor Guilliman, best adoptive dad to Roboute Guilliman
He is not my father,' Guilliman said. 'He created me, but I can assure you, priest, that He was no father. King Konor of Macragge was my father.'
I see what you did here ❤
Guilliman's mom was pretty awesome too, imagine this tiny woman calling this 12ft tall beast of a man 'Robu'.
@@Timasionthis is why the blueberry boy is the goat
I really wasn't expecting him to say that.
There's nothing I want more than for Clone Fulgrim to cut down his corrupted counterpart. The Emperor's Children used to be so cool, I want absolute units like Rylanor back.
Rylanor the most chadiest of Chads miss the big man
I was just looking at the history of Chemos and the way Fulcrum turned it around before the Great Crusade reached them. I'm not sure any of the other primarchs did quite as much for their adopted home worlds. Sure, Barbaras, Prospero, and Caliban had problems, but they were in something of an equilibrium. Chemos was straight up dying.
@@alexharvey5122His balls so heavy he needed an Dreadnought Armor
@@undercovertakodachi4301 His scrote is the only natural part of him enshrined in the eternal armor
Could it be that the Emperor and Malcador knew the Heresy would happen because they knew the nature of each warp god put into a Primarch? They had a good idea which Primarch would do what based on their nature? Maybe the reason the Emperor seems to not feel fatherly affection for the Primarchs and looks at them as tools is because they are warp gods. Why would he feel affection for them?
Corax can't come fast enough to expand on this, a loyalist warp demon supercharging the ravenguard
Hell yeah!
Victorus Aut Mortis!
*Corvus explaining to Guilliman how they are both warp deities in special vessels*
*Guilliman wide eyed and taking a draw on a cigarette*
Corvus could take Sanguinius at this point
Corvus explaing the same thing to Rogal Dorn.
Dorn: No. I am still me.
Corvus facepalming
Dorn: My daily five-minute mirror-gazing reinforces this.
RAVENGUARD HUARRRAHHHH
A video on the relationships between the first founding chapters and there most prominent successors would be cool
I also find it ironic how to break down of chapters is some what becoming reversed with the Space Wolves and Dark Angels never rly giving a shit, the Blood Angels being united over Baal, and who knows if the Nid threat gets too close to Terra the Imperial Fists will probably do the same thing
@@jeambeam3173 It was always like that.
Dark Angels only 'split up' for show, really. They regularly gather together (the whole Legion, I mean) to discuss...matters. They are all pretty much the same (as in, all the Dark Angel chapters are...well, Dark Angels). Whenever there are multiple chapters in the warzone and one of them is a DA chapter, there's a 90%+ chance the other ones are also DA chapters. Imperial Guard officers in the books just refer to all the DA successor chapters as 'Dark Angels'. Nobody in the Imperium really knows where they are and what they're doing (even though Astartes are supposed to send reports about their whereabouts and activities), finding out about DA deeds through the reports of other officials (other Chapters, planet governors, Imperial Guard officers, etc.). Imperium administration is quite unhappy about this way of things (and has been since forever), but nobody is insane enough to challenge/confront DA about it, since everybody knows that means pissing off the whole Legion.
When Guilliman arrived at the Rock with his Primaris reinforcements, DA were havving another one of those meetings about...important stuff (Fallen, of course). There were like 30k Dark Angels on The Rock and they were still missing quite a few Chapters. So it's safe to say that Dark Angels have at least 40k+ Astartes among them who can be reformed into a full Legion within a matter of weeks/months (however long it takes to gather them all up).
Space Wolves pretty much told the Big Blonde Blueberry to fuck off with his Codex and kept whatever was remaining after the Horus Heresy. That's roughly 10-15k Space Wolves (may very depending on the year, but it's around 1200 Astartes per Great Company [since they don't follow the Codex command structure], with 12 Great Companies usually present, which gives us around 14k Space Wolves). That is their MAXIMUM number, as in full capacity, after having been fully reinforced by some number of Primaris (unless they create another Great Company or fill the 'empty' 13th Great Company) given in the Avenging Son book. Before being reinforced though, they were down to around 2/3 of that, so around 8-9k Space Wolves.
Blood Angels cannot really reform back into a fully functional Legion because quite a few of them are properly insane, their split was real. Different BA chapters really are...different.
Ultramarines are...well, Ultramarines. They'l reform into a Legion as soon as Bobby G gives command.
Imperial Fists will reform into a single Legion under certain circumstances, they have a protocol and everything (imminent threat to Terra or Sol system iirc).
White Scars...I am not sure, actually. Not too much focus on them.
Salamanders are too few, they'l barely have like 10k even with all the successors. Same story with Iron Hands and Raven Guard, since, you know, Istvaan V.
Where most prominent chapters?
@@cantfindawayout I feel like the Black Templars wouldn't be part of the great rejoining...
@@stepheneaton4978 Yeah, Black Templars probably wouldn't be a part of that.
To go with your theory, when malcador said if they had enough time they. Could resurrect a primarch through cloning because their warp souls are anchored to the genetic code, hence why the fulgrim clone took so many attempts until his warp soul finally. Found his body.
It may or may not be that easy. Ya the fulgrim clone had the primarch essense, but flugrim is still alive technically as a demon. Maybe his soul had more of an anchor to the material realm as a result of not being fully gone whereas if they die died, theyd have to go through the full process of grabbing stuff out of the warp to remake them. Or maybe the fulgrim clone was just a one off fluke of good fortune. Either way its probably worth a shot to clone the demon primarchs and see if they retain their essence.
@@Lickicker Not sure if this has been retconned since I read it, but isn't the Daemon Primarch Fulgrim possessed by the Daemon in the Laer Blade? If that's still true, then Fulgrim's essence could have effectively considered the whole existence a wash and jumped ship to the Clone after however long. The time it took and the attempts could be chalked up to the difficulty of what amounts to a soul escaping a body that's being held down and controlled by a Daemon. Eventually it worked when it shouldn't have, because down to their very essence each Primarch is absurdly powerful and naturally attuned to business involving the warp.
@@Xman42635major said it in the clonegrim video, once the demon inhabited fulgrims body, his essence most likely said “fuck this” and peaced out. It makes sense given that his essence was about nobility, devotion and loyalty, and felt great pride in being the emperors embodiment of perfection. Slaanesh probably knew who the warp deity was and preyed on those attributes. Once heshe got the hooks in, it probably decided to fully take over the body. It seems like the primarchs are capable of hosting divine essence, as evidenced by GMan being possessed by the emperor and not really having any negative side effects, whereas mortals lose their minds afterwards. So it seems slaanesh wanted to fully supplant the warp essence and twist the physical body into the perfect host of a powerful demon into the material realm.
@@Xman42635 oh so none of the other demon primarchs would be eligible since they all more or less accepted chaos of their own will whereas fulgrim was posessed. You could argue mortarion wasnt given a choice but he could have died instead of joining chaos. The rules are whatever the writers are feeling that day. Even if they could bring him back, i feel mortarion would be a poor fit in the current imperium.
@TheSickjits I liked to think the souls of the demon primarchs were basically held in the warp by the chaos gods and replaced with demons. Logar being different seeing as Word Bearers actually sometimes share their bodies with demons. It would follow that Fullgrim's true soul would find a way to escape once the clone was made as it had a stronger claim on the soul then. Magnus's soul was split into many shards but he was still a demon prince. I wonder if he would still be a demon if his good shard was returned by the grey knights.
Would be cool if the emperor accessed a section of a warp that functioned essentially as a prison for deity level warp entities run by the main chaos gods to prevent challengers. Then made a deal to bind 20 of them (the amount he could personally absorb before exploding) to his primarch children. Then absorbed them, giving him an aura of increased power before taking them to Terra and implanting each one into a primarch.
Thats what im theorizing about it. What if Big E took the strongest one for himself? He was "just" a perpetual Psycher but when he came back he was the Emperor.
Could have been a Part of the Dark King he took his Power from. The Warp is timeless after all, so he was already there when big E went into the Portal.
I really like this idea
@@fuchsmichael93 If the Emperor is a perpetual then why hasnt he already healed from his wounds. Sry I dont know the lore that deeply.
@@EiyuuOumonobecause the Golden Throne constantly drains him. He is in a constant state of dying and reviving.
@@NueThunderKing So couldnt they like take him off the throne temporarily, wait for him to heal to full then put him back on the throne? Sure the Astronomicon would be down for a couple of hours, but the emporer would be back.
Yeah warp gods, they needed special vessels because there is a 99% chance their spirit breaks down their human body and usually die
That and stuff of the warp has a hard time staying in reality so lock them in till it goes through whatever process it needed to. It getting screwed with early is probably why primarchs like Magnus and Sanguinius who are more powerful psyckers have more flawed geneseed.
That image of warp Corax beating the brakes of deamon Lorgar is awesome!
Any picture of Lorgar or Erebus getting piss-pounded is immediately a masterpiece in my eyes
Giant babies - they're just giant babies
Father issue collectors bundle
Rowboat, Corvus and Khan are exceptions
Was this a reference to Teenager mutant ninja turtles 2: Secret of the ooze???
The warp god theory is the best 40k fan theory out there, I hope it’s officially made cannon some day.
Darkness in the blood comes really close to confirming it. Mephiston gets a dark rage angel who's a powerful entity in the warp anchored inside of him. It's really likely the great blood angel he talks to that takes the form of sanguinius was at least part of Sanguinius.
I find the irony of lorgar looking for God's to worship while unknowingly being a God to be hilarious. Headcannon accepted
(Edit. Why tf is this my most liked comment)
Do you think that would put his mind at peace or give him an existential crisis? I feel like he wouldnt take that news in stride.
I like to think of the primarchs as a Tolkien s Maia( minor divinity) to a Valar as in true major divinity aka Chaos gods. The Maia were naturally attracted to a Valar with similar abilities serving and learning from them so... some of
the Maia/Primarchs due to their human/Big E part truly wanted to worship the Big E as their Valar/God and when that doesn't happen they turn to the other available Valar/Gods due to their warp/Maia part. Sounds seriously convoluted 😊? Sure it is but that's the Warhammer 40k effect on me.
@@HgHg-yp6ft All chaos gods are warp gods, but not all warp gods are chaos gods, Enthroned Emperor and Star Child are definitely "gods of order" which counter if not growing even more powerful than each of individual chaos gods, similar to auxiliary t'au god and possibly also Ynnead, meanwhile Gork and Mork are separate categories
And speaking of comparison to Tolkien's hierarchy of beings, then who exactly are Eru Iluvatar then? As all of the 14 Valar and even Morgoth were created and pretty much subservient to the grand plans of Eru Iluvatar, the old ones are byproduct of evolution as much as c'tan race and possibly tyranids too, so they can't even be Eru Iluvatar, or is Eru Iluvatar being none other than Games Workshop?
So, lorgar just had to have a tad more of self-esteem and he could have avoided everything???
@@notthatgerry isn't that the most 40k thing ever?
May Corvus Corax return with a vengeance!
Lorgar is still alive and slaughtering Imperials present day
If Abaddon fully accepts his Chaos Powers he would butcher Corax, Lion and Guilliman in seconds!
@@christiandauz3742 Sounds like cope to me.
@@christiandauz3742 Forget about it, Abaddon couldn't even beat Calgar without being roughed up and resorting to cheat with Drach'nyen's powers.
More like ababitch
@@christiandauz3742 and if Yvraine had wheels, she'd be a wagon.
wrap gods (kebab)
Kebab 🤤
you wrap a shwarma, not kebeb.
What kind of heretic savage psychopath wraps a kebab?!
Kebab 🤤
Kebab 🤤
Shawarma
Interesting point: Majorkill, i am not so sure Emps made the primarchs because the Perpetuals abandoned him. The Perpetuals(excluding Emps, Malcador and possibly Erda) do not seem to have the same destinybending turbosauce the Primarchs have. I suspect he was always planning to make some warppowered demigods as part of His plan. The Perpetuals might have been more of a 'hand in the shadows' kinda deal (a club of Malcadors, keeping the machinery of the Imperium on track) rather then immortal(but human) warlords.
Wonder if Emps wanted the perpetuals to be assigned to each primarch in an advisor/equal/friend role like he had with malcador? Emps knew having someone close to his level to talk to was what superor beings needed from time to time.
My pet theory is that they are not just any gods, but old gods worshiped on earth. That is how he got them to cooperate.
Some even remembered their old names instinctively - Vulkan and Horus. For others it is less clear
Sanginius might be archangel Michael. He is the one who cast Satan out of heaven so maybe that moment is captured in part of his essence.
This woudl be sick if its true.
Bruh if we ever get a Warhammer show, Horus should just be played by Drake.
Nigga fits the vibe perfectly. Even got the same owl logo thing
Will you make a video on each legion's best accomplishment/battle/victory? Counting unification wars, crusade and heresy
He might make a series on that, but not one long form video. That's just not his thing, semi-sarcastic and relatively short are just how he does his videos. I'm hoping he does something like that too, though
@@Davernn Well I hope so. It would be nice to shine some light on legions that got shafted in the lore. Maybe know something about what Iron Hands, White Scars, Salamanders or Raven Guard did before the heresy so that Ultramarines, Sons of Horus and Imperial Fists don't always have the spotlight on themselves. Make the less notorious legions shine
Day 35: What if Omegon returned to the setting. What would happen?, how would Guilliman and The Lion react?. Would be a pretty cool video idea.
With the assassins heads that popped up in a fridge in the imperial palace he's gotta be hanging out close by somewhere.
You forgot to mention that Leman Russ true form was similar to a Kaiju werewolf when he fought Magnus' true form being of similar Kaiju/Kaijin structure but as big red Oni/cyclops
They pretty much have original warp gods' forms and empowered to each of their conquered worlds that can project their beliefs through them, whenever any of the loyalist or any non-Chaos Primarch got comeback into 40th Millennium's Milky Way galaxy
In which Novel was that Fight?
In Echoes of Eternety Magnus fought against Vulcan, who was a giant Black Dragon that breathed Lava.
Video idea: Arkhan Land explained
Another video idea: what is education like in the imperium?
I consider any primarch like corvus that has reached their full warp potential without chaos corruption as having achieved their "Ascendant" form. I think that corvus has probably achieved his full warp ability and maybe even the Lion since he can now teleport, but maybe we'll end up seeing more from him. M
The funniest part of this is still Rogal Dorn of all people having a warp connection.
The emporer alao lost part of his humanity going through the door. Before, he would laugh and show more human emotional traits. After, he never even smiled again if I'm not mistaken. Maybe that was part of the "deal" he made or just a byproduct of seeing the true horror of what the warp was holding.
My head cannon is the chaos gods hired big E as a hitman to take out some minor gods that were causing problems but instead of straight killing them he either recruited or kidnapped the little gods and stuffed them in his son's and when the chaos gods found out they threw the baby primarchs into hell via their mom
What if the Primarchs are not really Warp-Gods but the souls of former heroes/gods from Terra? For example: Angron is Spartacus, Fulgrim is Alcibiades, Lion is Lancelot or King Arthur, Russ is Odyn/Thor or Ragnar Lodbrok, Vulcan is Hephaestus and so on?
Thats pretty cool
Fulgrim going full Alcibiades would have ended up with many remembrancers and probably Slaanesh itself pregnant.
No, the angels of Baal existed long before mankind. So, while they are definitely Warp Entities, i highly doubt they're exclusively man made.
At this point, I can't really imagine humanity's lore making any other sense than just the emperor purposefuly and calculatedly fucking around to sell more minis.
Jagahtai is the true Fulgrim, each has a codename, and I blame the first two fish frog aliens that crawled from Baal's ocean and had a slap fight with each other for making the 2 Angels.
Day 543 of requesting a Commissar Yarrick Major Mini pls and thank you
I bet those flippers could slap.
The military forces of the Mechanicum/Mechanicus/Dark Mechanicus would be a cool video
2:10 am, just clocked out. Now I've got me some lore. Shout out from us kiwis
Everyone knows the primarchs are the friends we made along the way.
Xd, especially sanguinius tho😢
It makes you wonder, at what point does supremely powerful warp energy start to become indistinguishable from a minor warp god anyway? It seems like arguing over semantics at some point.
Direction/shape. Big rock or lump of clay or raw material, versus something shaped to have a more specific purpose or something in that vein I'd say
@tobster9567 which would be fine, except this is the immateriam we're talking about. It's all made with direction and shape to some degree, considering it's all emotion and belief anyway.
And even if it was truly "raw", okay, the moment it was fused with the physical bodies engineered by the Emperor was when they became minor warp gods I guess. But again, since the warp is timeless, it quickly devolves into semantics in my eyes.
Bobby G and a librarian have a convo about this with an eldari in the dark imperium books. In the end once a being is powerful enough it's basically indistinguishable.
The Next Video Should be.
What would Each Primarch Look like if they turn into they "Real" Warp Form. Like the way Corvus Corax did
Just can't see what Roboute Guilliman would look like xD An AI Or a Book haha xD
Love Roboute Guilliman Because he is the only one who is thinking right and his RAGE MODE!
Rowboat would absolutely turn into a giant glossy blue filing cabinet! Robuste Cabinetman XD
Rogal Dorn would just look like Rogal Dorn.
"I am still me. My daily five-minute mirror-gazing reinforces this."
Roboute would turn into Clippy from Microsoft Office.
Video idea -
With Thunder Warriors being a sort of "Proto Space Marine", what would a Thunder Warrior "Proto Primarch" be like?
It was called the first Angel irrc. Went Batshit insane and got locked down by the Custodes.
@@fuchsmichael93 Oh, cool.
That sounds like it'd make an interesting topic.
@@justinweber4977 Angel of Destruction was its Name. Major did a Short about him
Without context "we'll be going over their organs" is such a crazy quote.
A video on if magnus took the emperors replacement legion would be dope
The warp god theory does seem plausible.
I always figured the Primarchs' souls started out as fragments of the Emperor's soul.
When Big E. went into the warp and came back, he mustve been absorbing warp juice or whatever to become more powerful and by extension, because souls of sentient beings at their core is warp juice, literally making his soul bigger. Later, when the Emperor developed the Primarchs, he fragmented 20 parts of his soul and put them into his sons while they were growing in their pods. Those soul fragments grew into their own becoming more the literal spirit of the Primarch as apposed to just pieces of the Emperor.
a few years ago a version of what you are saying was spoken about a lot more. It seems like the lore, and fans, have shifted more towards what MajorKill is saying these days. I would not be surprised if E added a little of himself to each primarch as well but currently a version of minor warp entity seems to have the most backing.
It should be pointed out too that the twin angels of Baal didn't simply return home after Sanguinius' death - they actually found new hosts in the Sanguinor and Mephiston. While the Sanguinor manifests the Angel of Light, Mephiston's job is to actively suppress the Angel of Darkness.
I've got a feeling they're going to warp fuckery it so that Dantes vision of being on Terra in Golden armor is when he becomes the sanguinor and mephiston eventually becomes the black angels. The dark imperium when G-man talks to the Aedlari about gods there's a whole bit about how when a god is created it can be as if it always was and the amount of time warp shenanigans in darkness in the blood and the warp in general makes it seem like the fate of the blood angels is basically a time loop. The great blood angel saying there's always a choice but fate is what it is back that a bit too.
the custodes are the best depiction of pure transhumanism that i have ever seen. its not simple cybernetics which is the most basic of transhumanism, they are genetic demi gods. the primarchs are the best depiction of transhumanism at all ive ever seen. its not pure genetics, but thats okay. i wish there were games where you could roleplay as something a kin to a primarch. sadly all of the warhammer 40k role playing games are for things that are lesser than astartes. and the war game doesnt have much role play. and every other game that even touches upon transhumanism like cyberpunk, its the most basic form of transhumanism. its simple cybernetics. not even particularly advanced cyber either. really wish i could role play as a primarch or something a kin to one.
A video about, what if there were no loyalist elements in the traitor legions ,this would also count for omegon and magnus. So there would be no need for the culling at isthvaan and weakening of the traitor forces.. this would be very intresting to see what all the effects would be on the succes of the heresy.
It's not 'a theory' but 'a hypothesis'..
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Majorkill should be a streamer ngl. I feel like daily or at least twice a week stream would great.
Gorillaman is Literally Ursan's Soul bound to a humansoul
Here's some to consider:
What if all of the Primarchs (save Alpharius because he landed on Terra) somehow died before the Imperium discovered them? (Assume that Vulkan was never found by the Imperium, maybe he was lost in the Warp, maybe the DE got a hold of him, maybe he’s in Trazyn’s galleries, etc). The important thing is, what if no Primarchs?
If any one Loyalist and Traitor Primarch switched sides for the Horus Heresy, who would you choose for the best outcome for either the Loyalists, or the Traitors?
What if the Silent King never got rid of his Command Protocols and took (almost) all the Necrons with him out of the galaxy to perhaps find a new and better one and come across the Tyranids?
What if the Great Crusade had all the Primarchs and none turned Traitor, but there were no Astartes?
What if the Beast Orks succeeded in defeating the Imperium?
What if the Raptor Project succeeded/was never sabotaged?
How would each Heresy/Crusade-era Primarch and Legion fare against the modern Tau Empire?
My theory for the emperor's deal with the chaos gods on molech was:
The Emperor agreed to use 20 minor warp gods to create the primarchs, but half of them would be given to the chaos gods/chaos.
This would explain why some primarchs seem to fit the chaos gods eerily well. When the Emperor left the warp he then decided not to commit half of his sons to chaos and wanted to try to cheat them keeping all of his sons. The chaos gods sent the primarchs to different worlds to try to still claim their share of primarchs and yet again the emperor tried to prevent the chaos gods from claiming them. At some point towards or during the great crusade the Emperor realized that he would not be able to keep all of the primarchs and started pushing some of them away and trying to secure the loyalty of others.
Keep in mind there is a middleground region of the chaos realms, Vashtorr and his soul forges can create remarkable designs of magic and flesh and metal all with the signing of a contract.
The primarchs getting thrown in the warp is another example of "the wife screwed up my garage project."
I have the theory that the primarch souls are basically gods from Ancient Terra religions like Zeus, Odin, Huitzilopochtl etc.
I'm so glad that I got to watch this when I was drunk as can be. Now I can watch this again as if I were watching for the very first time.
There's a few issues with the warp god theory:
-The power the Emperor stole is clearly shown as personal power in TEaTD. It's what makes him anathema to chaos.
-Saturnine established that the Emperor was trying to create artificial perpetuals with the primarchs. Stealing the Gods power to make daemons and doing something related would make sense, especially since we've seen him create saints who weren't designed from scratch.
-The two angels of Baal thing doesn't mean a whole lot because of the retcon to how time works in the warp. As soon as Sanguinius existed, his soul always existed. Previous cultures knowing about them doesn't establish that they exist independently of Sanguinius.
-If they had all been tied to warp gods tied to specific places in reality and that's why they landed where they did, which would be super strange because that's not how the warp works, the Emperor would have known exactly where to find them. Also, Cegorach swapping Fulgrim and the Khan shows that the Khan wasn't always destined to land amongst the Mongolian-coded people.
I assumed that since the emperor mentioned he saw „all the paths humanity must take“ multiple times and we know he is a very calculating guy that wasn‘t unable to care but knew when to keep himself from caring of the odds were against that care going over well, that his lack of anger or sadness over the scattering was simply him looking at the chess board and saying „ah so that‘s the move they took at this junction“ then moving to his plans he layed out for this way of the futures playing out.
we know that him and malcador saw the heresy and likely things before it as a sort of game set aside from the great game. Kinda like a chess match against the 4 chaos gods. We also know that the future in 40K is working much like in Dune which was a huge inspiration, so you could see billions of different versions and still none would have to come true 100%
Now knowing what we know of the emperor‘s approach to things and his tendency to try and force nature were it didn‘t go fast enough or humanizies way already (which is why the perpetuals fell out with him as erda says) I could very very well picture him spending an absurd amount of time only going through the different paths of the future over and over again, looking for which events came up most often and in which order the most likely. How likely whomever he made the warmaster was to fall to chaos no matter who is one we know he checked and selected Horus cause he was not to great a military threat should he fall but should he not fall he would still be a very good pick as benevolent peacemaker.
So himmhaving seen a metric fuck-ton of futures both with the scattering and without would be no big stretch imo. He would have had a reaction ready either way. Likely one for each of the most likely ways it happens too.
The big question then is how much he actually saw before it all and if he knew current lore would play out or have a chance to play out thus having plans for it. Basicly the big question would be if we are in the doctor strange endgame 1 chance scenario still or not.
My theory is that the primarchs bodies are not that special, just a chassis powerful enough for a special kind of soul.
I think the primarchs souls are not warp gods per se. I think they were platonic ideals or archetypes. The thing you think of when someone says ‘X is a this’. They would be what you get before you have a god.
As a collection of examples:
Lion is ‘the hunter’ the one who ventures into the wilds to slay monsters.
Fulgrim is ‘the paragon’ one who is a perfect example that people should follow.
Perterabo is ‘the engineer’ one who builds and invents.
Jaghatai is ‘the nomad’ one who chooses to be apart from society and prone to wanderlust.
Leman is ‘the adventurer’ one who will go out to seek excitement in the wild.
Dorn is ‘the guardian’ one who protects others against threats.
Konrad is ‘the Lawman’ one who judges your actions and hands out punishment.
Sanguinius I think is ‘the savage’ one who is passionate and exuberant, unrestrained by rules and pursues their goals.
Ferrus is ‘the champion’ one who struggles to be the best to win.
Angron I think was ‘the empath’ one who can listen and talk to others and understand them.
Guilliman is ‘the Auditor’ one who calculates and keeps track of everything, who keeps everything organised.
Mortarion is ‘the Stoic’ one who withstands and perseveres without complaint in the hardest times.
Magnus is ‘the Scholar’ one who seeks knowledge and has a desire to learn and understand all things.
Horus is ‘the Lover’ one who will be by your side and who cares about you, a companion and friend.
Lorgar is ‘the thinker’ one who ponders on the nature of reality and people, a philosopher and theologian.
Vulkan is ‘the Smith’ a creator one makes tools, distinct from the engineer in terms of scale one builds structures one builds the tools to make it possible.
Corvus is ‘the revolutionary’ one who will fight against tyrants for the betterment of the people.
Alpharius is ‘the trickster’ one who is cunning and deceitful, not inherently evil but uses smarts to overcome problems.
Feel free to argue or offer alternative suggestions.
Goated idea
Old Ones remnants warp entities. And humanity is the love-child pinnochio of an Old One and a Necrontyr who sought another path.
I always figured that the primarchs were created as vessels nascent warp gods, like the gods weren't fully formed so BigE took them and bound them to the physical bodies. Kind of like a really fancy daemon host
could always be that instead of them being captured warp gods, the Emperor learned how to create warp gods
It can be easy to forget that not all warp entities are tied with the 4 Chaos gods. There are beings like Vashtor and Tau'va. So this theory of the primarchs being hosts to other minor gods makes sense.
I'm about to start the last book of the Caiphas Cain series. They're the first Warhammer books I've read and love them. What should I read next. A video about your top favorite Warhammer books/series should be awesome
I read Krieg not too long ago. Pretty good read.
I wonder which Warp Entities were in which, and which the Emperor preferred. After all, even despite what happened in the Heresy, he still was attached to Horus, but did not seem all that concerned about just about every other traitor Primarch. Nor was he THAT beaten up that the Khan was possibly a goner.
Perhaps the Fulgrim & Khan switch could tie into this theory. If Fulgrim is really tied to Chogoris, that could have somehow tied into his warp bits finding a new host in the materium. Also, perhaps the 'deal' the Emperor made may have been to clear out potential competition. Instead of the warp gods being shattered or something- and their power remaining in the warp, the emperor coaxed/beat/negotiated them into the materium to become a part of the Primarchs. Thus 'stealing' potential power from the Chaos gods.
Superb video as always @majorkill.
Could you make a video dedicated to the Navigators, the major houses, their politics, relation to the overall Imperium and factions
After watching this I firmly believe that the minor warp gods or what ever was used to forge the primarchs souls were from the planets each primarch landed on. These “gods” were made by the thoughts and emotions of the people living on the primarchs home planets and that’s why each of the primarchs pods were draw to their respective planet. This video connected the dots for me
Awesome video as always thank you
Warp Primarchs really do fill in a lot of blanks.
Edit: fan theories really help carry GW through all of the batshit lore they've written. Can't imagine how the creators of 40k, especially the lore, feel about what it's become now. Must be crazy to see.
Maybe you can do a video speculating what each of the primarchs warp deities could be.
A video of the top ten community made wholesome moments would be great
at 3:18 the picture of big E has some words on a circle behind him the words are imperator salvator just a fun fact (the script is glagolitic)
Cawl also says there is unique gland in Primarch's brains called Immortis Gland. The Gland appears responsible for the Primarchs' gigantic size and superhuman strength. The organ also appears to regulated each Primarch's rapid growth to maturity and his overall metabolism, granting him a lifespan measured in Terran centuries, if not functional immortality. He could only replicate half of it (the Dextrophic Lobe) in the Primaris, because he lacked the skill and knowledge (it seems either the EoM or Astartes deleted all info on the Sintarius Lobe after Primarchs were scattered) of the EoM/Astartes, so could not recreate it. Some fluff suggests its this deleted Sintarius Lobe that gives the Primarchs functional immortality (though we see the Lion has aged during his 10,000 year nap, though that might be pyskic effect meaning he feels older so appears it even its all in his head) and maybe where the warp god/demi-god essence resides. If true, then even Bile's clone of Fulgrim may not be so perfect after all. So if the Fulgrim clone was allowed to live for time longer outside the stasis field, its Immortis gland may fail causing it to die.
Seems like if there was some other way to obtain power from the warp or there was some kind of 'container' to carry power from the warp than you could say big E got some of this warp juice and made his sons. Maybe not minor gods, but maybe it was like how big E was made, 1000 strong psykers combining their power to create him, big E himself just gathered lots of powerful souls or entities from the warp and used these to infuse his sons. Different souls containing different wants needs and problems create the differences in the primarchs.
Now do a video about what each primarch warp god is all about. What was the moment in history that spawned it, and what were their powers and domain?
Your the best at this, don't listen as much anymore bc the ads are to long
Video idea: which gods are the primarchs are?
Like Perturabo/Hefesto, Magnus/Odim or Osiris etc
My favorite Primarch doesn't run from his problems, he runs them over very fast.
If the reason for corvus being a raven demon of vengeance is their warp god in human form, what could the other form look like?
Vulcan was described as a giant Black Dragon that breathes Lava in Echoes of Eternety, when he fought against Magnus.
That would be OP af. Consider how fast a Primarch is and that Vulcan is a Perpetual that just heals every Injurie.
Demi god sons? He already knew how to make custodians . I would say they were good enough.
The Exodite got me interest in the Tau Navy, please make a video about them and their battles.
I've been watching your videos for several years now, and I just realized I wasn't subbed; now I am.
Video idea: Could Big E have organized the Great Crusade without the primarchs?
Where they essential or would the custodes/thunder warriors/astartes/perpetuals be enough?
With how it's believed the Primarchs inherited Big E's different traits -- his humanity, his compassion, his rage, his thirst for knowledge, etc. -- I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out they actually are showing off the aspects they prior held as minor war deities; made compatible with a mortal shell due to Emp's and Erda's special human sauce.
If enough human beings across the galaxy during the Age of Strife believed enough in certain human elements within themselves to collectively forge such sapient (though not truly sentient) beings until they manifest in the Warp, I'd suspect Big E became aware of them, and so entered the portal on Moloch with intent to collect them before the Chaos Gods could destroy and devour them, as they do any other Warp entity not affiliated with themselves personally when able.
Agree mostly. Little addendum though. Suspect the Emperor knew these aspects\deities were always there, as they have been throughout human history, the hunter, the general, the knight etc. Minor warp God's if you will.
Akward moment when the Dark Angels meet the Dark Angel of Sanguinius making them question who their real father is
Day 81 of asking for a dedicated series of videos detailing in depth the Lion El'Heresy
I think a video showing off occurrences of non-Astartes power armor could be a good 1. Apparently the Arkan Confederates are an IG regiment that do field power armor
I've always felt like the thousand sons were doomed because the flesh change is not something they could fix, it's not a genetic error it's a warp corruption coming back through time from the rubric. The ONLY way the thousand sons could have avoided the flesh change was to not use the warp and their sorcery powers. You would think that the sensible thing to do would be to shun the warp because of this but addicts be addicts.
@majorkill I kinda figure that the bodies of the primarchs are as close as the Emperor could get to replicating a perpetual without making an artificial one. I see the body of a primarch as a combination of a Custodian and a Space Marine. The overall efficiency, power, beauty, and durability of a Custodian with the numerous redundant organs, abilities, and boosts of a Space Marine. So a Primarch is a just a custodian if they had the same enhancements as a space marine, but the enhancements boost them at the same rate that an ordinary human is boosted by astartes geneseed.
A video on the imperial palace would be groovy
I have a burning question and I was wondering if you would be able to answer it maybe in a short what if video: But what do you think would happen if the Marker from dead space entered the 40K universe??
Great video btw!!!
So if this warp god theory is true then how come the Emperor and Malcador didn't do anything to Angron? Surely they could have killed him, then reforged a new body minus the Butcher's Nails and forced/Bargained the warp god back into him. Like was said at the end of the video, the Emperor could have done the same to Ferrus as they did the Khan. Wouldn't the Emperor wanted one less deranged son? Especially since the World Eater were meant to be the doctors/medics of the legion due to the high number of apothecaries and Angron's Empathy/telepathy abilities.
I like, for GW's sake, the theory that the Molech gate counts as a save point. Which means the retcons are just the Emperor "trying" again.
There either warp gods he found or the big E was able to find a way to create the warp gods from aspects of himself to use for the Primarks
Could you imagine if the Emperor came back and used The Greater Good to make a new primarch?
Yep. This is exactly my headcanon and if GW wants to change it, they can eat my entier ass. Unless they come up with something better, of course.
One small addition - I am sure that all these warp entities were created by humanity. No need to explain why.
I think they were the Gods of old Earth. F.E. Thoth is the Egypt God of Magic and Learning. First Pic on Google shows him with red Skin.
Makes sense for the Lion. He just goes back to the wild and savage Caliban he was raised into as a warp illusion
I do say that the Emperor used his own genetics to create perfect vessels for this minor gods. Because the Emperor is the most powerful mortal Psyker to ever existen, meaning he is a vessel of the warp that is extremely powerful, thus why his genetic material is the only one suited to create this host for the minor gods.
I do belive this minor gods are as primitive or even more so than the Chaos gods, and why they havent been able to consume them unlike the Eldar gods, who were quicly devoured by a newborn Slaneesh.
Also the theory of the minor gods chosing the planet to land on when they were sucked into the warp makes sense. Specially with Primarchs such as Lemon Russ whos geneseed can only withstanded by Fenrisian born, indicating that warp god inside Lemon Russ is perhaps the god of Fenris.
I feel like they can be somewhat equated to an incarnate Maiar from lord of the rings, like Gandalf or Saurmon but with less objective of limiting them
I think the Big E got his girthy chaos god abilities here, and the primarchs were in some way his greater demons, kind of like the Saints
I think he took a Part of the Dark Kings Power when he got into the Portal. The Warp is timeless, so he was already there.
Yeet? Warp god? Primarch? Perfection.
Once we meet the emperor he tell us that we were the 40,000 Warhammers all along
Did we ever get confirmation on whether it was Alpharius or Omegon who was left on Terra, and why they weren’t spirited away?
Drunk streams!!! Bring em back, figuratively and literally!
So the Big E wants to reconquer the galaxy but he wants 20 warlords to do it so he breaks into Moloch, steals or bargains for the power to do so, pissing off Chaos, guaranteeing that they'll come knocking sooner rather than later, putting his great crusade on a massive time crunch, because he has to consolidate the galaxy *before* Chaos comes to collect, which he was ultimately unable to do. So all of the misery of the present time is his fault? Really punches a hole in the 'Everything is going as planned' idea.
Especially when you realize he never considered if his sons connection to these warp entities might be the reason they were all degenerating into psychopaths. Lego Monkie Kid and Shazam show that giving godlike power to children and not properly training them is an incredibly bad idea!!!!
No, it's Horus' fault.
@@AxolotlInMC it's actually Erebus fault but Big E is second to blame before Horus
There is plenty of blame to go around. Erebus, Urda, Horus, Magnus, Malcador and Emps. They all fucked up hard.
Also, my personal head canon is that Malcador telling his aide or whatever that everything was going to plan was just his attempts to ease the fears of a dying companion meanwhile knowing that the only thing going according to plan was that a Primarch civil war was intended to happen. The timing, the numbers of loyal versus non-loyal being completely out to lunch and them scrambling to try and stop the collapse that was now all but inevitable.
The whole Big E making a deal with the very entities he was born to oppose smells like demon propaganda to me. And I'm an Alpha Legion fan...
Video idea: what if the emperor had a text to speech device