Not only that, but i feel those seat will take away some form of driver feel / disconnect with the offroad experience...seats going to be gucci but will never be able to tell when your suspensions are shot...i wonder...!
That’s why I love Overland Outfitters videos. They straight up point out the concerns when you actually start modifying. I’m pretty much the same when I go to autoshows. I’m that weird dude that crawls under the vehicle before I check out the interior 🤣
You are correct sir! They don't want you to truly off road these new trucks. To me it looks like they designed them to look super cool and off roadish to drive around town. Cause they know 99% of the people who buy em will never drive on anything more then a gravel road.
Yeah even the current Pro model owners don’t actually use them to off-road, most off-road people I know get the lower end models and upgrade as needed, I myself have a 2015 Pre Runner (2wd) and prob off road it more than some pro model owners 🤣
I thought this was a pure clickbait video title, but pleasantly surprised by the well thought out reasoning and content. Hopefully others aren't offput by the title and give this video a chance. That said I'm still getting a Trail Hunter when I can, but I feel like there won't be any surprises. Thanks!
Hope you enjoy your trail hunter! It is out of my price range, so I'm getting a TRD off-road. By the end of next year, I will have my very first truck---a solar octane manual TRD off-road! Of course if I can get it at the end of 2023, would be ideal!
@@chrisx5127 Fight the good fight and save the manuals! I currently have a 3rd gen TRD Offroad and it's taken me everywhere I've wanted to go. They're no slouch, I just am interested in the hybrid capabilities potentially so we'll see how that does.
Forced air engines work harder as they use higher compression and run hotter combustion chambers. Turbochargers are also lubricated and cooled by the same oil as the engine, leading it to break down at a quicker rate. This means more frequent oil changes. A Tacoma with no six cylinder engine but an overstressed and overworked four cylinder turbo means an engine that will burn out way too soon. Remember when Tacoma owners joked that we were breaking in an engine at 400K miles? Yeah... I think that's over.
These engines have a great track record. They been around for awhile in the Lexus NX and I believe the Camry 4 door sedan. It's a Toyota engine it's built to last...so much tech into these engines now they are lasting well over 100k miles.
Dave I’m with you, if they don’t offer a six naturally aspirated I’ll keep my 3gen, then look maybe at a Nissan for a six cylinder when the time comes.
Most Americans who shell out $40-$50,000 for a new truck isnt going to take it out and Send it sailing through the Air, Slide drifting it up a 40 foot sand dune or climb it up over 3 foot boulders and trees. Most will lock it into 4wheel drive and play in some mud or snow OR to just to have extra traction on thise snowy / icy mirning commutes to work. So $10,000 in custom lifting kits, tires and suspension systems isnt needed. Plus theres not much money left over for most Americans after the initial purchase
rear discs, rear coils, sway bar disconnect, and 327ftlbs of torque at 1400RPMs! and 1700lbs payload are IMO enough to call it a huge upgrade over 3rd gen TRD OR (which i have). dont even need the extra power/complexity/cost of the hybrid.
I got a 22 trail I use for renovations towing a trailer and offroad camping and wheeling. Only thing is better gas mileage with the new engines? which isn't even that bad at the end of the day in ours.
All the things I had been waiting to hear from all the chamnels that got to go to the launch. Can't say anything negative when they flew you to Hawaii. Keep up the great work!!
100% true. I got flown out to Germany for a media phone launch event, I made my video on it, mentioned some negatives...never heard from them again. I reached out to their media rep whom I had a good relationship with, he said to me "we align our marketing budget with influencers who have a similar thought process" in short, I said something bad, so fuck me.
I agree, like Kai mentioned in his video @tinkerer’s adventures, the LCA is the same on all models which means the trd pro doesn’t have a lot of wheel travel. They should’ve made it wider because there’s more wheel travel but it’s just an appearance package not performance
Old vehicles- Design an engine that can operate for 300,000 miles if used as directed, and 200,000 if modified to squeeze more power from said motor. New vehicles - Strangle a tiny 4 cyl for all it's worth knowing major expenses will be incurred after the warranty @ ~100,000 miles (those turbo's don't change themselves) exaggerate the power numbers, underdeliver, and overcharge. This was supposed to be the year of the midsize truck and instead it's the era of wishing somebody knew how to build a truck. Most SUV's are experiencing the same issues. Car/truck manufacturers have lost their way, and we as consumers need to show our discontent with their greed by not buying their junk. Honda is still churning out tens if not hundreds of thousands of cars with 1.5L 4 cyl that STILL have oil dilution issues. GM and Ford are rife with recalls and reliability issues and they have the same issues with their horse-whipped 4cyl that's slow to build power (and 14 mpg is pretty standard for mixed driving...wtf). Stellantis only exists because their buyers struggle to read. Toyota cars SUV"s and trucks are starting to feel like go-karts with their cheap materials, and now this pathetic excuse of a ..trucklette? TFL pulled a 3,000 lb medium profile trailer and the mileage dropped from 22 mpg to 12, and it was hunting for gears constantly. Toyota, this isn't a truck, it's an oversiezed trucklette. I usually swap new cars/trucks every 18 moths or so, but the current market of vehicles is depressing. The worst part is, Toyota will keep this trash trucklette for 7 more disappointing years. I owned 2 brand new third gen taco's off-road. They just needed a little more power and a transmission that wasn't garbage. Instead we get less power, fake numbers, and an equally bad trans. If you want bigger tires and wheel offsets with shocks you have to crawl around on the ground to adjust, that vehicle costs $65,000 before tax and dealer mark ups. Fake numbers= there's no way 326hp+460 ft lbs of torque produce these acceleration numbers. hahah, 7 seconds, and it can't pull a trailer. Before these numbers were released there was a Toyota "engineer" that was talking about those hp and torque numbers and said something along the lines of "and numbers like that only add up to one thing = speed." Wrong again. The Ranger Raptor has two more cylinders, lower hp, lower torque (reportedly) and is heavier, has real suspension, real tires, and it's full second faster for the on-ramp for $8,000 less? No, a truck is not designed to be a drag car. But this wasn't designed to be a truck (can't pull a trailer without crapping itself), a car (can't comfortably haul four passengers, is slow, terrible mileage), or an SUV (can't haul 4 passengers, slow, terrible mileage). Toyota just committed seppuku to their brand name for the sake of short sighted greed. There will be firiings at Toyota, but none of them will be high up in the C-suite where the problems really begin.
no access cab killed it for me. I dont want 4 doors and 5 ft bed. This is soooo stupid and backwards. I was looking forward to upgarde my 2008 but they have offered me nothing i want.
What the hell happened to Toyota making good common sense vehicles?? Yes, there were always a few things us Tundra and Tacoma owners would like that the competitors have. But the new Tundra and Tacoma are, I can't even bring myself to say it. I just say I don't even feel like these newer models are even part of the Toyota off-roading family of vehicles of past generations. It's like they just showed up from out of nowhere claiming to be related!
THE F'N SUSPENSION SEATS in the TRD Pro is such a silly decision. Spend that money on better suspension...sheeesshhh.. Happy you got to check them out underneath. I appreciate the mechanic/fabricator's perspective. As a Toyota Fanboy, I do feel Toyota dropped the ball on this...need that front locker & better suspension. Chevy & Ford have some real nice trucks today....
Vid proves that If your already balls deep in your current taco just keep going with it instead of lusting after the ipad dash, turbos. Hit that buy button w Magnussen and get that blower for your 3.5, regear the truck deeper and start cutting/welding more on it guilt free. And while your at it unbolt your front sway and throw it away, then save up for Marlin Crawler IFS
I've been planning on getting a 24 tacoma off road but I've been researching others also, considering the Colorado. WHICH TRUCK WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FOR OVERLANDING that would need the least mods straight from the factory? Thanks
None of these vehicles are really meant for off road. They are meant for consumer sales. None. NONE are meant for off road. Everyone seems to get this, including the manufacturers. Only people that dont get it are the ones seeing the decals and buying them. Then putting thousands $ into upgrades and it STILL isn't meant for offroad. Because it isn't about changing out a few parts. It's the entire vehicle. I'd go with a zr2, full size Bronco, jeep rubicon. But even them, NOT made for off road. Made for the consumer with money to spend that THINKS they are going off road by navigating down a little tote road somewhere. Or yeah. A gravel road. ✌. You can't even totally blame manufacturers. Government regulations, electronics, consumer whims. Forget off road you wont find it on a dealer lot.
A Prerunner is originally just a vehicle that drives around a track/course and make sure the track is safe. That is where the Tacoma Prerunner model name originated from, back in 1998 to 2015. Toyota's use of the name has nothing to do with trophy truck racing lol, which we all relate to prerunners now, because Trophy truck drivers build up their Prerunners to be as close to the Trophy truck as possible, to practice courses without worrying about breaking their main sponsored rig before an event Just a fun fact 😁
The current generation is about to up in value. Just wait until the offroaders begin to comprehend what that frame in the 2024 means to them. They haven't caught on yet obviously no one brings it up. They'd be really upset if they understood the trucks engineering dynamics. Give it time. People are a bit slow if they don't know much about this (not their fault).
The only thing that makes sense to me is some type of aftermarket partnership with Toyota and large Offroad companies. Whether there is some truth or not to that, there’s a ton of opportunities for those that want to back engineer parts that Toyota should’ve done in the first place
What do I want to see on your site,30% towing, 45% off-road, 25% upgrades. Great site,just subscribed,why? Love the truthful facts,good & Bad ! Keep it coming!❤
I am 75 years old and not an off-roader but I have had two Tacos and two Tundra’s and I really like Toyota vehicles but I don’t like the idea of a 4 banger with a turbo because I like the V-8 or the V-6 for a truck.
I'm just waiting to see how many of the new models ended up with cracked frames. Popcorn out. Nissan did the same thing. Lack of frame articulation. Little suspension travel. Things break. But toyota is even more interesting because they've never really been able to make a frame correctly. This is a serious endeavor for them. 😂😂
Overall I'm just disappointed with Toyota and I don't see myself ever wanting a 4th gen Tacoma. I'll stick with my 2nd gen. I look forward to getting the new Tundra though!
Great video. The doors disappearing on the access cab, making it an xtra cab is perplexing. First, that xtra cab config is not available on any upper level trim. Second, there was talk about "why" this was done -- "crash worthiness" -- but if you pull the seats out, making it storage only, don't the crash test dummies go away? "No occupants, no injuries"? In no hurry to replace my 2021 TRD OR AC with the 2024. I hope they rethink many of the design decisions you brought up.
They probably can't raise the rear shock mounts because the tires would hit the shock mounts during full articulation of the rear axle, straight axle issues.
Try driving a loaded jeep diesel. I have been in and out of 4runners for years and had big aspirations on driving the jeep diesel wow what a let down. I knew the first 5mins of my test drive that there was nothing special about driving it. Oh well. As for the Tacoma looks waaay better than the previous generation. Some People that seen and sat in the new Tacoma are saying it's better than the Tundra and sequoia. That's impressive
Really enjoyed your critique. Thank you for presenting a reasoned and unbiased review of the Tacoma. Full disclosure I do intend to get one. I’ve been wanting a Tacoma for some years but wanted better fuel economy and the hybrid is the ticket. While I’m not an off-roader I like to be practical so your comments regarding the travel and welded hitch are very good to know. Thanks again
Keep the 3rd Gen!! It will be 2025 before we see the hybrid and with steeler-ship mark-ups or Port add-ons who could afford one! I think it's ugly as hell just get a Tundra with a 5' bed and it's the same length as the TrailHunter. With that you get leg room in the rear.
The jury is still out for me. Glad they kept the 3 pedals. The axis cab seems like an odd decision to me. Wish they had better factory travel numbers and spent more of the money on the suspension setup instead of the seats and interior
Oooo this new fancy off road pavement princess wil take curbs nicely. They will become the next line of rentals and loaners when you drop off your 22’ or 23’ Tacoma for recall work.
Glad you put this out, heard similar from another channel…Tinker’s Adventure or something…anyway, the disconnect sway bar is a big deal, new engine, new frame, etc. then probably engineering deadlines + limited resources + testing time kick in. The 4th Gen seems like they ran out of time and just threw on what was already proven & tested. I mean they put on under springs from…the 80’s(?), yeah just slap on something they already have years of testing & data.
Just bc it’s Toyota it don’t mean it won’t come with faults. All reviews I’ve seen have praised the new Taco but it’s refreshing to see someone be critical about. I own a 1st gen and love that thing to death but seeing stuff that a new 2024 Taco doesn’t have from factory that I’ve upgraded on my 1st gen is a bit of a let down. You’d think they’d get the hint from all the aftermarket parts available to include certain stuff but idk. Maybe the leave it out to leave some fun for the owner? Still however a visually nice truck can’t deny that!
If you're going to be apart of the "cult" following that is Toyota? You don't ask questions. You just continue to drink the Kool-aid and tell everyone you come in contact with that "Toyota makes the most reliable and best 4x4 on planet earth." 😂
None of these vehicles are meant for high water crossings anyway. That stuff left when they put more and more electronics in them. Even if you made it out (you likely wont) your dash be lit up like a christmas tree
Stop being a baby bro. Being a outlander you cant expect Toyota to do everything for us. Its a great looking medium size truck. Bettrr then 2023 model. Rear seats could have more features but its nice.
seating position is a huge plus also. I would rather have a prop rod than hood struts that will fail eventually. no access cab door will make the prerunner a total failure. that was a huge mistake. it will probably be out for 1 year like the 2 door 2nd gen 4runner. what will the 2wd basic pickups look like? will they all only be offered in the unaccessible access cab? big improvement over the 3rd gen overall. if you think about it, besides trucks that came with the 3.0, the 3rd gen tacoma is arguably the least desirable toyota pickup sold in the states thus far. that mini van drivetrain (well, engine specifically)should have never been repurposed for a truck.
@@chrisx5127 Yeah but at least it's going to pull a trailer... I've owned two Nissan frontiers and 2 Toyota Tacoma's and both did the job. Tacoma in my opinion are better. But getting rid of the V6 is just stupid... You can't pull shit with a lawn mower engine with a turbo... The truck is bigger with a small baby 🍼🍼 engine... Sorry but that sucks sausage......
I agree Toyota missed, and if these new hybrids have disappointing mpgs were screwed 😂🙈🇨🇦 you should do an update like 6 months from now or every Toyota release of 4x4s
Well I’ve got a feeling that this may be the last generation where you can get a gas burner engine, as crazy as that sounds. I love Toyota but the federal government has caused them to be way over engineered.
the seats are such a gimmick. I'm sure they work, but it's something no one asked for or wanted. In the marketing video, the voiceover mentions something along the line of "tacoma still has the customizability l the Tacoma community loves" which means they know about the community, so you'd think they'd ask customers or do some reading to see what people are and aren't complaining about. Nothings perfect, but I think Toyota could've done better, much better.
Ok, finished watching the video, good points you brought up. I want to see the new crawl control attack perform to see how it pairs with the FR locked bois in the market, and yeah commodities are nice but I’m not Doug demouro so idgaf. Keep up the good work homies!
I think they really took a step backwards. So much so I am replacing my gen 3 with a brand new gen 3. My current truck I was going to keep for another 2to 5 years. But I want to reset the clock on a new gen 3 access cab and then hopefully wait till they swing back around and get a little more realistic again on the gen 4. Lots of mistakes in my opinion on the gen 4.
It's about time someone finally brought all this up. They hit a home run when it comes to asthetics, but totally dropped the ball on almost everything for actuall off road functions.
My 2nd gen sr5 with a spacer level and 33's has taken me far further than the internet told me was possible and hasn't gotten stuck anywhere that 4 low and some throttle control couldn't get me out. I haven't hit the hitch on anything yet and I definitely tried to. My shitbox Izuzu broke down and the taco pulled it on a car trailer, about 6400lbs up a 10% grade gravel road without breaking a sweat. Not adding any travel and that rear shock position on this new one is wack but I'm still going to buy it and go just as far off road as I am already if not further yet maybe see more than 12 mpg on the highway so im okay with it. I can see how someone who off roads most of the time with their truck would be upset, but that guy isn't as likely to buy a brand new 60k truck and full send it. Mine will be use 90% for home depot runs and helping people move 😂 but when I want to go camping in some remote place I know it will be ready to go at a moments notice.
My guess is you haven't been really anywhere off road then. Which. Honestly i don't blame you because your truck is really made for home depot runs. Actually no. You can't lay a full sheet in the bed. Your truck is made for Wal-Mart runs. There is no shame in that though. You won't find a true off road vehicle on a dealer lot
Right there with you on the extra cab not opening. That's why the old ones sucked (I owned 2) and this one will suck too. Had they built the extra cab model with suicide doors and a 7 foot box I'd be stoked about it's utility. I am glad to see a higher seat, roof and heated steering wheel.
toyota is moving towards making cheaper not better or more rugged mexican tacos to improve their bottom line PROFITS! they've been doing it for years and not just their tacos. iv'e owned toyota p/u trucks before they started calling them Tacomas. still own one. it will be the last. quality and dependability is gone due to the inclusion of cheap chinese parts they use from their suppliers. profits first!
I think the 2.4 is a decent engine but also I think it's a downgrade since they deleted the V6. I'm not from north america so we don't have Tacoma (we have Hilux) but we do have the all new ford ranger that will be released in north america in 2024. The thing is ranger or Tacoma competitors have V6. So 2.0 turbo diesel will give you 500nm torque and 207hp Or ranger raptor 3.0T V6 with 392hp and 583nm Yes both are lower in torque than the Tacoma but the raptor will give you more power and the 2.0 turbo diesel have decent numbers
@@wilyceyote Yes but this is the current Tacoma which I think is better than the new one. I'm just talking about the new Tacoma taking a new challenge and deleted V6 engine. I'm meant it could be a downgrade since the competitors still making V6 (ranger raptor and frontier)
I think just keep my 2019 until I see how the hybrid battery pack works in Sask winters. Seems like these engines are worse then a lot of garage mods…. Old tech, new tech all hooked together, like crappy aliens built them 👽 maybe wait for the hydrogen engine, or until they figure this out, keep the old gas running? ⛽️ 🤔
Dude I hear you. I had a 5th gen 4runner and now a 2nd gen Tacoma. I’m so sick of trimming to fit 35s. If this new model requires trimming I’m out. Going Jeep. Jeep actually listens to their customers. Jeeps don’t have the issues they used to anymore. I have to say the 4xe is rather appealing and the turbo diesel. I think toyota would solve a lot by bringing the Land Cruiser 70 series here to the states. I just don’t get it. It wouldn’t take much to update the safety of that vehicle to sell here.
Everybody is Hyped up so much that they don't see bad points! The biggest disappointment is the engine itself the non hybrid that most people can afford is less torque y than Colorado. Yes it's more reliable but it should be at least as strong as competition. Thanks for realistic points
They've done a great job on the '24 Tacoma and made it the best ever yet. Don't understand why people like to complain a lot over nice new vehicles like these for no reason.
The truck looks great but what's under the hood is NOT what your average Taco Fans want!!! Toyota may be in for a shock if they don't keep that good old trusty V6!
This is by far the best vid on the new tacomas. The whole track width issue is a real bummer. Like really? More offset and bigger fender flares wtf. And the shock location on the “pre runner” lmao
Rest assured that Toyota has done it's homework on how people actually drive their trucks. The fact of the matter is only tiny fraction of these trucks will driven on true off road trails. Vast majority of these trucks will only be driven on paved roads or if they do drive off road it will be on easy gravel roads. Why build a true hard core off road oriented truck when only a tiny little fraction of people will actually take their trucks on those mystical rugged trails ? Most of the people just want a rugged looking comfortable truck that has the capability to take them on a gravel road if needed all though for most that will never happen.
It seem like everyone complained about the new suspension seat, I don’t care for it but it will benefit if you ever race in Baja 1000 or any desert racing.
If you're racing, a suspension seat is the last thing you want! Most racers use a solid seat and are harnessed in so they can't move. If the seat can move around, you are more likely to get a spinal injury
@@OverlandOutfitters Im not sure why you would think that applies to all racing but suspension seats are nothing new, they are specifically meant to mitigate shock in things like boat or offroad racing. the new tacoma seats are just an evolution of that. whether they will work as intended remains to be seen... but you DEFINITELY want something to soften impacts in the cab else you will have spine or head injuries.
Looks like they allocated 90 percent of engineering to shocks in the seats instead of the suspension and drivetrain 🤣
Not only that, but i feel those seat will take away some form of driver feel / disconnect with the offroad experience...seats going to be gucci but will never be able to tell when your suspensions are shot...i wonder...!
I'm 6.2 and my 2021 Tacoma TRD seats feel awesome! No problems at all.
those seats are a goofy scam aimed at the superficial
When are you gonna start driving ford or Chevy?
That’s why I love Overland Outfitters videos. They straight up point out the concerns when you actually start modifying. I’m pretty much the same when I go to autoshows. I’m that weird dude that crawls under the vehicle before I check out the interior 🤣
You are correct sir! They don't want you to truly off road these new trucks. To me it looks like they designed them to look super cool and off roadish to drive around town. Cause they know 99% of the people who buy em will never drive on anything more then a gravel road.
Ya for how much they cost who the F has the money now adays to go and destroy it?🤷♂️
Yeah even the current Pro model owners don’t actually use them to off-road, most off-road people I know get the lower end models and upgrade as needed, I myself have a 2015 Pre Runner (2wd) and prob off road it more than some pro model owners 🤣
I thought this was a pure clickbait video title, but pleasantly surprised by the well thought out reasoning and content. Hopefully others aren't offput by the title and give this video a chance. That said I'm still getting a Trail Hunter when I can, but I feel like there won't be any surprises. Thanks!
Hope you enjoy your trail hunter! It is out of my price range, so I'm getting a TRD off-road. By the end of next year, I will have my very first truck---a solar octane manual TRD off-road! Of course if I can get it at the end of 2023, would be ideal!
@@chrisx5127 Fight the good fight and save the manuals! I currently have a 3rd gen TRD Offroad and it's taken me everywhere I've wanted to go. They're no slouch, I just am interested in the hybrid capabilities potentially so we'll see how that does.
Forced air engines work harder as they use higher compression and run hotter combustion chambers. Turbochargers are also lubricated and cooled by the same oil as the engine, leading it to break down at a quicker rate. This means more frequent oil changes. A Tacoma with no six cylinder engine but an overstressed and overworked four cylinder turbo means an engine that will burn out way too soon. Remember when Tacoma owners joked that we were breaking in an engine at 400K miles? Yeah... I think that's over.
Forced air also runs lower rpm that’s never factored in. That engine passed the same Standards as the outgoing engines.
These engines have a great track record. They been around for awhile in the Lexus NX and I believe the Camry 4 door sedan. It's a Toyota engine it's built to last...so much tech into these engines now they are lasting well over 100k miles.
Dave I’m with you, if they don’t offer a six naturally aspirated I’ll keep my 3gen, then look maybe at a Nissan for a six cylinder when the time comes.
Most Americans who shell out $40-$50,000 for a new truck isnt going to take it out and Send it sailing through the Air, Slide drifting it up a 40 foot sand dune or climb it up over 3 foot boulders and trees. Most will lock it into 4wheel drive and play in some mud or snow OR to just to have extra traction on thise snowy / icy mirning commutes to work. So $10,000 in custom lifting kits, tires and suspension systems isnt needed. Plus theres not much money left over for most Americans after the initial purchase
rear discs, rear coils, sway bar disconnect, and 327ftlbs of torque at 1400RPMs! and 1700lbs payload are IMO enough to call it a huge upgrade over 3rd gen TRD OR (which i have). dont even need the extra power/complexity/cost of the hybrid.
I got a 22 trail I use for renovations towing a trailer and offroad camping and wheeling. Only thing is better gas mileage with the new engines? which isn't even that bad at the end of the day in ours.
Buy nissan
All the things I had been waiting to hear from all the chamnels that got to go to the launch. Can't say anything negative when they flew you to Hawaii. Keep up the great work!!
100% true. I got flown out to Germany for a media phone launch event, I made my video on it, mentioned some negatives...never heard from them again. I reached out to their media rep whom I had a good relationship with, he said to me "we align our marketing budget with influencers who have a similar thought process" in short, I said something bad, so fuck me.
@@JaredBusch - they only taught you how real life business works. Don't bite the fingers that fed you. 😅
I agree, like Kai mentioned in his video @tinkerer’s adventures, the LCA is the same on all models which means the trd pro doesn’t have a lot of wheel travel. They should’ve made it wider because there’s more wheel travel but it’s just an appearance package not performance
That why I'm glad the OR doesn't come with that stupid hood that limit your visibility. Make it functional!
I am disappointed no front locker and that the 3 inch wider did not involve longer control arms and better travel.
Old vehicles- Design an engine that can operate for 300,000 miles if used as directed, and 200,000 if modified to squeeze more power from said motor. New vehicles - Strangle a tiny 4 cyl for all it's worth knowing major expenses will be incurred after the warranty @ ~100,000 miles (those turbo's don't change themselves) exaggerate the power numbers, underdeliver, and overcharge. This was supposed to be the year of the midsize truck and instead it's the era of wishing somebody knew how to build a truck. Most SUV's are experiencing the same issues. Car/truck manufacturers have lost their way, and we as consumers need to show our discontent with their greed by not buying their junk. Honda is still churning out tens if not hundreds of thousands of cars with 1.5L 4 cyl that STILL have oil dilution issues. GM and Ford are rife with recalls and reliability issues and they have the same issues with their horse-whipped 4cyl that's slow to build power (and 14 mpg is pretty standard for mixed driving...wtf). Stellantis only exists because their buyers struggle to read. Toyota cars SUV"s and trucks are starting to feel like go-karts with their cheap materials, and now this pathetic excuse of a ..trucklette? TFL pulled a 3,000 lb medium profile trailer and the mileage dropped from 22 mpg to 12, and it was hunting for gears constantly. Toyota, this isn't a truck, it's an oversiezed trucklette. I usually swap new cars/trucks every 18 moths or so, but the current market of vehicles is depressing. The worst part is, Toyota will keep this trash trucklette for 7 more disappointing years. I owned 2 brand new third gen taco's off-road. They just needed a little more power and a transmission that wasn't garbage. Instead we get less power, fake numbers, and an equally bad trans. If you want bigger tires and wheel offsets with shocks you have to crawl around on the ground to adjust, that vehicle costs $65,000 before tax and dealer mark ups. Fake numbers= there's no way 326hp+460 ft lbs of torque produce these acceleration numbers. hahah, 7 seconds, and it can't pull a trailer. Before these numbers were released there was a Toyota "engineer" that was talking about those hp and torque numbers and said something along the lines of "and numbers like that only add up to one thing = speed." Wrong again. The Ranger Raptor has two more cylinders, lower hp, lower torque (reportedly) and is heavier, has real suspension, real tires, and it's full second faster for the on-ramp for $8,000 less? No, a truck is not designed to be a drag car. But this wasn't designed to be a truck (can't pull a trailer without crapping itself), a car (can't comfortably haul four passengers, is slow, terrible mileage), or an SUV (can't haul 4 passengers, slow, terrible mileage). Toyota just committed seppuku to their brand name for the sake of short sighted greed. There will be firiings at Toyota, but none of them will be high up in the C-suite where the problems really begin.
I do like the old-school access cab.
no access cab killed it for me. I dont want 4 doors and 5 ft bed. This is soooo stupid and backwards. I was looking forward to upgarde my 2008 but they have offered me nothing i want.
The background music is distracting, I have problems with comprehension of what being discussed.
What the hell happened to Toyota making good common sense vehicles?? Yes, there were always a few things us Tundra and Tacoma owners would like that the competitors have. But the new Tundra and Tacoma are, I can't even bring myself to say it. I just say I don't even feel like these newer models are even part of the Toyota off-roading family of vehicles of past generations. It's like they just showed up from out of nowhere claiming to be related!
THE F'N SUSPENSION SEATS in the TRD Pro is such a silly decision. Spend that money on better suspension...sheeesshhh.. Happy you got to check them out underneath. I appreciate the mechanic/fabricator's perspective. As a Toyota Fanboy, I do feel Toyota dropped the ball on this...need that front locker & better suspension. Chevy & Ford have some real nice trucks today....
Terrible powertrain. It will break. Look how messy it is.
Vid proves that If your already balls deep in your current taco just keep going with it instead of lusting after the ipad dash, turbos. Hit that buy button w Magnussen and get that blower for your 3.5, regear the truck deeper and start cutting/welding more on it guilt free. And while your at it unbolt your front sway and throw it away, then save up for Marlin Crawler IFS
I feel dumber for having watched this video.
I've been planning on getting a 24 tacoma off road but I've been researching others also, considering the Colorado. WHICH TRUCK WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FOR OVERLANDING that would need the least mods straight from the factory? Thanks
None of these vehicles are really meant for off road. They are meant for consumer sales. None. NONE are meant for off road. Everyone seems to get this, including the manufacturers. Only people that dont get it are the ones seeing the decals and buying them. Then putting thousands $ into upgrades and it STILL isn't meant for offroad. Because it isn't about changing out a few parts. It's the entire vehicle.
I'd go with a zr2, full size Bronco, jeep rubicon. But even them, NOT made for off road. Made for the consumer with money to spend that THINKS they are going off road by navigating down a little tote road somewhere. Or yeah. A gravel road. ✌. You can't even totally blame manufacturers. Government regulations, electronics, consumer whims. Forget off road you wont find it on a dealer lot.
A Prerunner is originally just a vehicle that drives around a track/course and make sure the track is safe. That is where the Tacoma Prerunner model name originated from, back in 1998 to 2015. Toyota's use of the name has nothing to do with trophy truck racing lol, which we all relate to prerunners now, because Trophy truck drivers build up their Prerunners to be as close to the Trophy truck as possible, to practice courses without worrying about breaking their main sponsored rig before an event
Just a fun fact 😁
It's almost like they build trucks for the general market and not specifically overlanding. Why are overlanders so narcissistic
Well. Yeah. Vast majority don't overland.
The current generation is about to up in value.
Just wait until the offroaders begin to comprehend what that frame in the 2024 means to them. They haven't caught on yet obviously no one brings it up. They'd be really upset if they understood the trucks engineering dynamics. Give it time. People are a bit slow if they don't know much about this (not their fault).
The only thing that makes sense to me is some type of aftermarket partnership with Toyota and large Offroad companies. Whether there is some truth or not to that, there’s a ton of opportunities for those that want to back engineer parts that Toyota should’ve done in the first place
What do I want to see on your site,30% towing, 45% off-road, 25% upgrades. Great site,just subscribed,why? Love the truthful facts,good & Bad ! Keep it coming!❤
Love your channel. Came here from the shock test.
Hope you get a lot of subscribers and views
I am 75 years old and not an off-roader but I have had two Tacos and two Tundra’s and I really like Toyota vehicles but I don’t like the idea of a 4 banger with a turbo because I like the V-8 or the V-6 for a truck.
Right on with the Access Cab!, Does Toyota think no one owns a dog! What the heck!
I'm just waiting to see how many of the new models ended up with cracked frames. Popcorn out. Nissan did the same thing. Lack of frame articulation. Little suspension travel. Things break. But toyota is even more interesting because they've never really been able to make a frame correctly. This is a serious endeavor for them. 😂😂
Hey man, why was it rusting?
Overall I'm just disappointed with Toyota and I don't see myself ever wanting a 4th gen Tacoma. I'll stick with my 2nd gen. I look forward to getting the new Tundra though!
Great video. The doors disappearing on the access cab, making it an xtra cab is perplexing. First, that xtra cab config is not available on any upper level trim. Second, there was talk about "why" this was done -- "crash worthiness" -- but if you pull the seats out, making it storage only, don't the crash test dummies go away? "No occupants, no injuries"? In no hurry to replace my 2021 TRD OR AC with the 2024. I hope they rethink many of the design decisions you brought up.
No TRD offroad goodies on the xtra cab is disappointing. I dont need a double cab and want the 6 foot box on a shorter truck plus payload
If you think the truck is disappointing, then don't buy one and focus your attention on a truck that does not disappoint you.
They probably can't raise the rear shock mounts because the tires would hit the shock mounts during full articulation of the rear axle, straight axle issues.
Try driving a loaded jeep diesel. I have been in and out of 4runners for years and had big aspirations on driving the jeep diesel wow what a let down. I knew the first 5mins of my test drive that there was nothing special about driving it. Oh well.
As for the Tacoma looks waaay better than the previous generation. Some People that seen and sat in the new Tacoma are saying it's better than the Tundra and sequoia. That's impressive
I have a gladiator diesel and it’s a complete piece of shit. Constantly in the shop. I’ll never buy another Jeep again.
Really enjoyed your critique. Thank you for presenting a reasoned and unbiased review of the Tacoma. Full disclosure I do intend to get one. I’ve been wanting a Tacoma for some years but wanted better fuel economy and the hybrid is the ticket. While I’m not an off-roader I like to be practical so your comments regarding the travel and welded hitch are very good to know. Thanks again
I think the fender flares are too big and hideous, I mean the Tacoma is basically a mini Tundra and the ones on the Tundra are not that big.
Really appreciated this contrarian take, especially from someone who clearly knows what’s important for an off-road vehicle.
Keep the 3rd Gen!! It will be 2025 before we see the hybrid and with steeler-ship mark-ups or Port add-ons who could afford one! I think it's ugly as hell just get a Tundra with a 5' bed and it's the same length as the TrailHunter. With that you get leg room in the rear.
That’s gonna suck if you blow a seat shock and get oil all over inside😂
The jury is still out for me. Glad they kept the 3 pedals. The axis cab seems like an odd decision to me. Wish they had better factory travel numbers and spent more of the money on the suspension setup instead of the seats and interior
Great info...not the usual sales pitch. Its always the smart ones the non-thinkers are mistaken to believe that are misbehaving.
Oooo this new fancy off road pavement princess wil take curbs nicely. They will become the next line of rentals and loaners when you drop off your 22’ or 23’ Tacoma for recall work.
Glad you put this out, heard similar from another channel…Tinker’s Adventure or something…anyway, the disconnect sway bar is a big deal, new engine, new frame, etc. then probably engineering deadlines + limited resources + testing time kick in. The 4th Gen seems like they ran out of time and just threw on what was already proven & tested. I mean they put on under springs from…the 80’s(?), yeah just slap on something they already have years of testing & data.
I appreciate the honest take, the technical insight, and not just being a fan boy! Subscribed
Just bc it’s Toyota it don’t mean it won’t come with faults. All reviews I’ve seen have praised the new Taco but it’s refreshing to see someone be critical about. I own a 1st gen and love that thing to death but seeing stuff that a new 2024 Taco doesn’t have from factory that I’ve upgraded on my 1st gen is a bit of a let down. You’d think they’d get the hint from all the aftermarket parts available to include certain stuff but idk. Maybe the leave it out to leave some fun for the owner? Still however a visually nice truck can’t deny that!
The best Tacoma's had the 4.0 engine in it. Sorry not sorry.
Will the trd pro be available in the 6 ft bed as well ??
No
If you're going to be apart of the "cult" following that is Toyota? You don't ask questions. You just continue to drink the Kool-aid and tell everyone you come in contact with that "Toyota makes the most reliable and best 4x4 on planet earth." 😂
What are your thoughts on the new GX 550?
The halfbreed motor and battery in high water crossings will probably go PPPPPPFFFFFFFSSSSSSSZZZZZZZ BOOM and I don’t want to be driving it
None of these vehicles are meant for high water crossings anyway. That stuff left when they put more and more electronics in them. Even if you made it out (you likely wont) your dash be lit up like a christmas tree
Stop being a baby bro. Being a outlander you cant expect Toyota to do everything for us. Its a great looking medium size truck. Bettrr then 2023 model. Rear seats could have more features but its nice.
seating position is a huge plus also. I would rather have a prop rod than hood struts that will fail eventually. no access cab door will make the prerunner a total failure. that was a huge mistake. it will probably be out for 1 year like the 2 door 2nd gen 4runner. what will the 2wd basic pickups look like? will they all only be offered in the unaccessible access cab? big improvement over the 3rd gen overall. if you think about it, besides trucks that came with the 3.0, the 3rd gen tacoma is arguably the least desirable toyota pickup sold in the states thus far. that mini van drivetrain (well, engine specifically)should have never been repurposed for a truck.
You had hood struts on your Toyota fail ?
Nissan's 2024 frontier will have a 3.8 turbo V6..
Doesn't have manual.
@@chrisx5127 Yeah but at least it's going to pull a trailer... I've owned two Nissan frontiers and 2 Toyota Tacoma's and both did the job. Tacoma in my opinion are better. But getting rid of the V6 is just stupid... You can't pull shit with a lawn mower engine with a turbo... The truck is bigger with a small baby 🍼🍼 engine... Sorry but that sucks sausage......
I agree Toyota missed, and if these new hybrids have disappointing mpgs were screwed 😂🙈🇨🇦 you should do an update like 6 months from now or every Toyota release of 4x4s
Well I’ve got a feeling that this may be the last generation where you can get a gas burner engine, as crazy as that sounds. I love Toyota but the federal government has caused them to be way over engineered.
Those seats are a gimmick for sure.
the seats are such a gimmick. I'm sure they work, but it's something no one asked for or wanted. In the marketing video, the voiceover mentions something along the line of "tacoma still has the customizability l the Tacoma community loves" which means they know about the community, so you'd think they'd ask customers or do some reading to see what people are and aren't complaining about.
Nothings perfect, but I think Toyota could've done better, much better.
My zr2 diesel off roads alot better than my trd pro just because the front locker that I'm now going to have to install on my damn tacoma
i'm not paying anywhere near 40 to 60 grand for a 4 banger truck.......i see a nissan in my future!
Are the frames going to rust out like the last 3 gens?
WTH they welded the hitch 🤦🏻♂️ it’s like you said they purposely don’t want you off-roading these trucks.
They aren't meant to off road. No, they really dont. They want you to buy one. If you off road it they get warrantee claims
Ok, finished watching the video, good points you brought up. I want to see the new crawl control attack perform to see how it pairs with the FR locked bois in the market, and yeah commodities are nice but I’m not Doug demouro so idgaf. Keep up the good work homies!
It's' the worst of all worlds. Looks like my first gen will be in the fleet for quite some time, maybe even forever.
Great video. You should do the same style video for the new tundra vs old one.
I think they really took a step backwards. So much so I am replacing my gen 3 with a brand new gen 3. My current truck I was going to keep for another 2to 5 years. But I want to reset the clock on a new gen 3 access cab and then hopefully wait till they swing back around and get a little more realistic again on the gen 4. Lots of mistakes in my opinion on the gen 4.
They don't offer manual in Xtracab for Gen 4 and no AC for the current model (TRD OR).
It's about time someone finally brought all this up. They hit a home run when it comes to asthetics, but totally dropped the ball on almost everything for actuall off road functions.
Some cool features, but for sure nothing revolutionary. I'll be sticking with my 2nd gen TRD OR for another generation at least.
My 2nd gen sr5 with a spacer level and 33's has taken me far further than the internet told me was possible and hasn't gotten stuck anywhere that 4 low and some throttle control couldn't get me out. I haven't hit the hitch on anything yet and I definitely tried to. My shitbox Izuzu broke down and the taco pulled it on a car trailer, about 6400lbs up a 10% grade gravel road without breaking a sweat. Not adding any travel and that rear shock position on this new one is wack but I'm still going to buy it and go just as far off road as I am already if not further yet maybe see more than 12 mpg on the highway so im okay with it. I can see how someone who off roads most of the time with their truck would be upset, but that guy isn't as likely to buy a brand new 60k truck and full send it. Mine will be use 90% for home depot runs and helping people move 😂 but when I want to go camping in some remote place I know it will be ready to go at a moments notice.
My guess is you haven't been really anywhere off road then. Which. Honestly i don't blame you because your truck is really made for home depot runs. Actually no. You can't lay a full sheet in the bed. Your truck is made for Wal-Mart runs. There is no shame in that though. You won't find a true off road vehicle on a dealer lot
Right there with you on the extra cab not opening. That's why the old ones sucked (I owned 2) and this one will suck too. Had they built the extra cab model with suicide doors and a 7 foot box I'd be stoked about it's utility. I am glad to see a higher seat, roof and heated steering wheel.
No such thing as a 7 foot box
Looks like i'll have my 2015 forever
Enjoy your gear hunting
never experienced it
@@YVRPushbackGuy right I am keeping my 2021 for ever bud trd off road 4x4 6ft bed moon roof jbl speakers with hated seat that's all I need bud
Hitch is integrated into the frame
I don't think it's disappointing
Why don't you become an engineer and work for Toyota
toyota is moving towards making cheaper not better or more rugged mexican tacos to improve their bottom line PROFITS! they've been doing it for years and not just their tacos. iv'e owned toyota p/u trucks before they started calling them Tacomas. still own one. it will be the last. quality and dependability is gone due to the inclusion of cheap chinese parts they use from their suppliers.
profits first!
The Taco is supposed to be a off road capable truck, not a street queen. 😢
Cant compare a Toyota with a chevy or non of this others reliability wise my friend…
😂 adding that liberal lady to your video was hilarious
Good points...still want one 😆
Great info!!
They should’ve made a 2.8 L turbo diesel instead of that four-cylinder gas turbo just saying
I think the 2.4 is a decent engine but also I think it's a downgrade since they deleted the V6.
I'm not from north america so we don't have Tacoma (we have Hilux) but we do have the all new ford ranger that will be released in north america in 2024.
The thing is ranger or Tacoma competitors have V6.
So 2.0 turbo diesel will give you 500nm torque and 207hp
Or ranger raptor 3.0T V6 with 392hp and 583nm
Yes both are lower in torque than the Tacoma but the raptor will give you more power and the 2.0 turbo diesel have decent numbers
@@mohammeds5458 i’m not a fan of turbo vehicles higher upkeep maintaining them that’s why I have a V6 tacoma m/t
@@wilyceyote
Yes but this is the current Tacoma which I think is better than the new one. I'm just talking about the new Tacoma taking a new challenge and deleted V6 engine.
I'm meant it could be a downgrade since the competitors still making V6 (ranger raptor and frontier)
@@mohammeds5458 It’ll probably be a downgrade to Tacoma bottom line it’s all about fuel mileage higher fuel mileage in the future
I think just keep my 2019 until I see how the hybrid battery pack works in Sask winters. Seems like these engines are worse then a lot of garage mods…. Old tech, new tech all hooked together, like crappy aliens built them 👽 maybe wait for the hydrogen engine, or until they figure this out, keep the old gas running? ⛽️ 🤔
Here is the order of BEST TACO to TRASH TACO 1st GEN > 2nd GEN > 3rd GEN >>> 4th gen........ 🤣
You missed the frame recalls
Dude I hear you. I had a 5th gen 4runner and now a 2nd gen Tacoma. I’m so sick of trimming to fit 35s. If this new model requires trimming I’m out. Going Jeep. Jeep actually listens to their customers. Jeeps don’t have the issues they used to anymore. I have to say the 4xe is rather appealing and the turbo diesel. I think toyota would solve a lot by bringing the Land Cruiser 70 series here to the states. I just don’t get it. It wouldn’t take much to update the safety of that vehicle to sell here.
best intelligent review on the internet. thank you. i'm buying a ford.
Everybody is Hyped up so much that they don't see bad points! The biggest disappointment is the engine itself the non hybrid that most people can afford is less torque y than Colorado.
Yes it's more reliable but it should be at least as strong as competition. Thanks for realistic points
Colorado look like a toy. The front of the colorado doesn't even look like a truck.
@@chrisx5127 I am not a f an of Colorado, that's why I am not so happy with what new Taco offers.
@@mahdavimail I don't disagree with you. The new Tacoma is not perfect, but it's the best we got now.
@@chrisx5127 nissan. Or zr2.
Run from the 2024. Run fast
😂 dude talking shit! Still #1 again and again!
They've done a great job on the '24 Tacoma and made it the best ever yet. Don't understand why people like to complain a lot over nice new vehicles like these for no reason.
The truck looks great but what's under the hood is NOT what your average Taco Fans want!!! Toyota may be in for a shock if they don't keep that good old trusty V6!
This or the Canyon?
When have you ever seen a Canyon go off-road? Other than sponsor testing?
Zr2
Admit bro, you're Seth Rogen's cousin
This is by far the best vid on the new tacomas. The whole track width issue is a real bummer. Like really? More offset and bigger fender flares wtf. And the shock location on the “pre runner” lmao
Rest assured that Toyota has done it's homework on how people actually drive their trucks. The fact of the matter is only tiny fraction of these trucks will driven on true off road trails. Vast majority of these trucks will only be driven on paved roads or if they do drive off road it will be on easy gravel roads.
Why build a true hard core off road oriented truck when only a tiny little fraction of people will actually take their trucks on those mystical rugged trails ?
Most of the people just want a rugged looking comfortable truck that has the capability to take them on a gravel road if needed all though for most that will never happen.
The current Tacoma gets its engine destroy if it parks at an incline because Tacoma don't have oil return.
Going to have a lot of overpriced 4 bangers rolling around next year.
Not just Toyota's either
It's like wtf moment.😂 don't give us customers we want so we don't buy companies lose like Apple canon nikon GM Ford Chrysler etc. While they greedy.😂
You should have been the engineer.
Im still gonna buy one
It seem like everyone complained about the new suspension seat, I don’t care for it but it will benefit if you ever race in Baja 1000 or any desert racing.
If you're racing, a suspension seat is the last thing you want! Most racers use a solid seat and are harnessed in so they can't move. If the seat can move around, you are more likely to get a spinal injury
@@OverlandOutfitters Im not sure why you would think that applies to all racing but suspension seats are nothing new, they are specifically meant to mitigate shock in things like boat or offroad racing. the new tacoma seats are just an evolution of that. whether they will work as intended remains to be seen... but you DEFINITELY want something to soften impacts in the cab else you will have spine or head injuries.