Add 2 extra monitors to your M/XR12,16,18 mixer for Free
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- čas přidán 25. 10. 2023
- How to add more monitors to behringer x air mixers (xr12, xr16, xr18)
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Brilliant idea, fab video Daniel. Thanks so much. For those who are curious, the 2 o'clock position on the headphone volume knob will get you just about equal with the levels coming from the AUX outputs, with everything on the AUX busses set to the exact same values. Or at least that is how it turned out on the XR16 (v1 / original version) that I have access to. Mixer is running FW 1.20, and controlled by X-Air Edit 1.8. This assumes your mixer has "Min" at about 7 o'clock, and "Max" at about 5 o'clock, with little white dots ranging from 8 to 4 o'clock. Also, this is not perfect on the o'scope, but very, very close. Perfect is a tiny bit back from 2 o'clock, and could vary mixer to mixer depending on the volume pot, and the factory paint job on the dots.
Regarding another comment, the AUX outs on most pro mixers are pretty hot, they will often drive headphones at a moderate volume. Unscrupulous vendors in my country sell PASSIVE in-ears boxes (that are slightly smaller than a Behringer P2, but literally have nothing but 3 wires inside), and tell musicians to use them directly on the AUX of the PA system. This sort of works on some PA systems, but you end up turning up the channel gains way too high, then setting all the faders on the AUX busses way too high. It's awful, but if you know psychology, people often refuse to admit a mistake once they have become invested in something. So the musicians choose to believe the vendor of the worthless passive in-ears box, rather than the sound engineer (who also happens to be an electronics engineer) telling them that "this is not it's intended use". Point being, you can sort of drive headphones from some AUXes, and you definitely can drive amps, monitors and active in-ears boxes from a headphone out, within reason.... we are talking about a free solution on a relatively inexpensive mixer here, I don't recommend any of this if you own a DiGiCo, Avid, etc. Forget you even heard it.
Ive been doing this for years, works great!
Thank you very much for this information is very valuable, thank you for taking the time to think about it and especially for taking the time to share it. Blessings
Genius , this completes the hack to be available for 18 channel mixers and be available to be using it 4 way stereo iems , or in my case a 5 piece band with 3 wedges and 2 iems. Brilliant!
You should also pan the busses hard left and hard right so that one bus comes out of the left side of the headphones output and the other bus comes out of the other side. If you don't pan them they will come out the left and right at the same time which defeats the purpose of having 2 different monitors. I didn't mention this in the video but then i realized that it might not be obvious to everyone so here's a comment :)
This video was very helpful, thank you. But I had few questions. There’s no pan option in the effect buses. And I also realized that you cannot hear the reverbs, delays or any other fx in these (fx bus changed to monitor), can you? Please lemme know.
@Sushan48 yes there's no pan for the fx busses that's why i said in the video to send them out of the normal xlr outputs and send bus 5 amd 6 out of the headphones output
Also time based effects like reverb and delay require send and return so if you're using the fx bus for a monitor mix of course you'll have to sacrifice that effect but you can use other effects as an insert like GEQ, combinator, deesser...
IIRC a couple of channels means just two. Afaik you can‘t use an effect on more than two channels, because those effects use their respective left and right in and outs for that channels.
couldnt you do this with the stereo xlr aux sends as well?
I have a network for the equipment and another network for the users. Between the networks there is a firewall.
I need to know which TCP/IP ports should be allowed on the firewall between the Mixer and the mobile application.
Question. My church is using all the Aux ports already for speakers. In this case, does what you explained of swapping Bus 5-6 with FX 3-4 affect anything? I'm new to this, and I'm just trying to get the drummer and myself some wired personal IEM.
There's no eq and compression on the fx busses so you cannot eq the speaker to fight feedback
Other than that it's just a normal bus
I can assign the headphones output to the FX 3 and 4 as well, right? Cool
@@IagoVital no
IIRC the headphone output is gonna be an amplified signal, not the same as line level. So I expect there’s gonna be a noisy signal when plugging headphone out into a line level speaker/monitor? I assume not a problem for a behringer p1 or p2 if you opt to keep it turned off and don’t have too long of a cable run? Just speculating here. Did you have to compensate for the headphone jack with trim reduction?
Yes it's an unbalanced signal but this mixer is meant to be on stage so you'll not run a long enough cable to pickup interference anyway
And the headphone amp is very clean and it's plenty loud
I don't see why it would be noisy other than running a very long unbalanced cable
And if you want to run long cables i suppose you can use a DI box to balance the signal if you really wanna do that but it's overkill
Well, if you turn the volume knob to the right position, you will end up line level (not mic level).
In theory, the higher your level is, the less sensitive it's gonna be to electromagnetic interference. But ofc you need to make sure, not to use a level that is too high, so it will get clipped by your monitors preamp.
Anyway, we are overthinking here. Just power on your monitors, set them to a reasonable gain / volume and while feeding a test signal, turn up the headphone volume knob until your monitors are loud enough.
I use mixing station on an XR18 and this trick is great! But now I found out that my reverb/delays FX are mono. How do I make it stereo?
The fx busses are mono
The return channels are stereo
Hello there
I have noise issue that I wànt to ask for the solution
I'm using M32 on FOH, DL32 on stage and HA8000 for distributing monitor on IEM, the diatance FOH to Stage about 32 m.
When I connect HA8000 inupt from XLR Output from DL32, than the noise on IEM raise.
As known that DL32 doenst have Aux Out unbalance.
How to solve those problem with the setting using that setup.
Thx
I'm also using the HA8000 at church the solution is first to have good amount of level coming into your inputs
Around -18 would be ideal (where tge green meets the yellow lights on the input meter)
Then mix the monitors very loud
Send as much level as possible into the bus without clipping
You can even use the compressor on the buss to get more level
And have the volume knobs on the ha8000 low
I found that 2 or 2.5 on the knob is good
Anything above that i would start to hear the hiss
So mix your monitor busses super loud and have the volume knob low on the ha8000
@danielkharrat
you are genious
Very cool! Does this make the two new monitor outputs unbalanced?
Yes the headphones output is unbalanced
If i assign 5 & 6 to headphone output, how i am gonna use aux 5 $ 6? Well basically this video is for me because i need 2 more aux output on my xr18. Can you please help? Thanks a lot
You use the effects busses and assign them to the xlr out 5 and 6 i explained it in the video
how can i get more outputs for the behringer xr16 what do you recomend for me? to buy ? if we buy. extra gear u showed on the begging of the video, can we use them on the app too?
Midas dn4816-O
You cannot use it with the xr16 or xr12 because they don't have an ultranet port
You can use it with the xr18 because it has an ultranet port and you would assign the outputs in the ultranet page
But for the xr16, aside from the headphones output, there's no way to get more outputs from it
@@danielkharrat :(
And if you swap the headphones out with the main LR in main output, you have 8 XLR AUX out...!
How can i do this? Is there any video about it?
Oh please, how exactly can you do it? There is no way to assign FX3/FX4 to LR 😞
The fx mixes are POST!!!! Why did you not cover that?
The fx mixed are post by default but you can change them to any tap point just like the other mixbusses