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Kino just said many saints wasn’t that bad. He can’t be in our social club anymore, that I do know.
My estimation of Kino as a man just fuckin plummeted.
he's gotta GOOOO
When Kino said he was greasing chase who knew that’s what he meant.
Borko did 20 years in the can, he never compromised
It wasn’t a bad movie at all, it’s just no where near the level of quality that was expected from a sopranos universe film, and so fans are much harsher on the film because of it
David Chase didn't even bother rewatching the Sopranos before making Many Saints of Newark
he did admit that was a mistake
He knows the show without watching. the inconsistencies are due to Tony's version of events.
He watched 6 episodes of season 1.......explains alot
@@josephgana5746 wasn't that Michael? David Chase didn't watch even the Pilot from what i heard
@@orangewarm1 lol no he doesnt
I like to think that all the holes in Many Saints is because it’s narrated and from the perspective of renown filmmaker Christopher Moltisanti
More creative than Spielberg
It all makes sense now...madonn
I must be loyale to my capo
That's the guy. Pure Kino. The guy we're goin to hell for.
Can you imagine that? You watch Pure Kino and one week later you're in hell.
@@HOTD108_can you imagine that? You watch pure kino and one week later you’re in hell.
@@ajtg3807 Eff you eff 'in parakeets.
@@ajtg3807 "Can you imagine that? You watch Pure Kino and one week later you're in hell?"
Can you imagine that? You watch pure kino and one week later you're in hell@@HOTD108_
David Chase never had the makings of a varisty filmmaker
Those guys from Hollywood were 7 ft tall some of em!!
To think the sopranos was originally meant to be a movie
Small hands, that was his problem.
😂😂😂
Want to like this but it’s at 69. So here’s a sandwich
The harold subplot was not fundamentally a waste of time, but devoting 45 minutes of your 2 hour prequel film movie to a new character who ultimately doesn’t matter to the overall narrative was a terrible move.
It was cringe BLM appeasement propaganda. Totally shameless and obvious too. They even put a "muh dik" line in the movie
His name was Harold? What a terribly written, forgettable character
@@jackxiao9702He was poorly written, Harold?
It was. The thing is, I think it is actually the movie that Chase wanted to make. My theory is he threw in a Sopranos prequel to get Hollywood behind it....
@@jordanl1911He wanted to make a movie on the Newark race riots. They told him it had to be a sopranos movie.
Kino goes about in pity for himself all while a great wind carries him across the sky
- ojibwe saying
@seanryan7729 I know Kino's outta line but still, You kinda have to admire the guy.. It's not all talk with him.....
Like a woman with a virginia ham under her arm, crying the blues because she’s got no bread
Something something... Virginia ham
Can you imagine that? Going about in pity for yourself all while a great wind carries you across the sky?
I'll tell you one thing, and I'm not ashamed to say it, my estimation of Pure Kino as a content creator just fucking plummeted.
😅😅😂😂😂😂
His coach turned into a pumpkin
You watched it again? Good Grief, I can only give you livia's condolences: ' Oh Poor YOU '
The storyline should of focused on Dicky taking on the Philly Mob like they discussed before in the series and then should of formed into a trilogy with Dicky mentoring Tony until his death in the last movie
That honestly would've been really good
should HAVE
@@ArthurVerhulst SORRY about that mistake
Dicky was like Tony's mentor. He was the WHOLE REASON for Tony becoming the leader be became. And they have a total of WHAT? 10 mins screen time together?
Should have*
My estimation of David Chase as a man just fuckin plummeted.
Harold - Starts a war with the mafia.
Also Harold - Gets mad that his friends are dying in the war that he started.
Well he is black so the entitlement is very authentic.
@@cicolasnage5684You say that like Tony Soprano, famous white guy, is any better.
@@HOTD108_ So, you admit that he's right.
@@HOTD108_ no but he didn’t start any wars and then bitch about it. Just like how blacks bitch and moan about reparations and cry racism when any bit of adversity comes their way.
Truth hurts.
@@cicolasnage5684you do know the show is making fun of you right?
Worst movie I’ve ever seen. I dont know even know where to start but having 2 Ray Liottas was the funniest/worst thing in cinematic history.
You clearly haven't seen many movies
What watching nothing but the MCU does to a mf:
@@jamessalmon5109 your clearly a retard, this was an embarrassment to The Sopranos.
When I think about my sheer joy and excitement driving to the theater and my disappointment and confusion driving home I can’t help but shake my head.
Not only that but my hope for more seasons spin offs prequels etc dropped to zero
The tragedy of Chase: he wanted so bad to make a full lenght movie, tried so hard in The Sopranos beggining. When he got the chance, it seems that he only could think like a tv showrunner. Many saints would so much better if it was a limited show.
never understood why a one hour 10 episode series would wanna make a movie? it makes zero sense…trying to cram all that into a 2 hour movie…it was doom to fail.
I was in line to get into an nyc club. I saw a limo pull up and David chase came out with two hoowas. As he was escorted into the club I yelled “davey! Many saints! I liked it!”.
I was there too. "Davey get back in your f in hole!" I yelled.
@@AffectedArea Awww. Davey.... you're doing a good job!
no you didn't
Im convince this was chase's "fuck you" to the fans. They really had nicky barnes in this
It was Frank Lucas.
@@fredontiveros1037what’s the difference, who cares
@@Nathan-jt8zt Massive difference. Nicky Barnes was a punk who sold out his entire crew because he got mad one of them was banging his side piece. You wouldn't have had a Nicky Barns without Frank Lucas, even though he ratted out when he got busted and was facing eternity in prison.
This movie severely lacks the dialogue that was most likely refined to a diamond over time by Terrence Winter. The most quotable show of all time has zero quotes from the movie!?!?
The movie sucks but I remember one quote
Just another reason why NONE of the characters were likeable.
That's because David Chase didn't want to write a Sopranos movie. He wanted to make some progressive woke horse shit but the studio didn't allow it. Thus we got this.
@@angryanakinwhat one
@@grapeapeductape2489 Don't bother asking. It doesn't have the makings of a varsity quote
It makes me more greatful towards Better call Saul on being a great example of being. A prequel without being disrespectful to its source material.
Many Saints is fan fiction not canon.
💯
Hurts to have to comment that, eh?
@@Nathan-jt8ztYeah, feels like I've been stabbed in the heart! How much more betrayal can I take?
Gigi: How was Many Saints of Newark?
Philly Parese: It was Pooty Tang..with Italians.
Don't know how they could fuck it up that badly
That movie, pure fugazi right there. Wonder if Chase got hit over the head with a golf club like Vito's brother after the series ended or something.
They could have replaced all of Silvio's scenes with Paulie instead and not used Silvio or Pussy in the movie at all. Pussy shows up for no reason despite being more of a childhood friend of Tony's and young Silvio feels like a guy doing a caricature of Silvio + both these characters being older than Tony messes with the timeline. Paulie being a prominent member of Johnny's crew is pre established and Tony even notes he used to wish he was his father when he was young. This would make way more sense for the story if he was regularly around Johnny and Dickie like another wise-cracking uncle who likes to tell funny stories, which a teenage Tony would find entertaining rather than annoying like he did as an adult. This would also make way more sense for him to be the one to tell Dickie to continue speaking to Tony, as we know Paulie loves Tony and was a respected member of the crew.
Silvio was always older than Tony, the actor playing him was older than James Gandolfini
Yeah it's just conflicting quotes from the original series made it seem like he was at most 10 years older than Tony, but Many Saints shows he was already in his mid 20's and a member of Johnny's crew while Tony was just a boy. In Sopranos, Paulie arguing with Sil made it seem like Paulie was a member of Johnny's crew and Sil didn't become an established member of the DiMeo family til he was in Tony's crew when he references his seniority. Made more sense Sil became Consigliere to Tony if he was more of an older brother to Tony instead of almost an Uncle like Paulie who was only Capo despite earning for the family longer. Tony even talks about how Paulie was close to his Dad and Paulie mentions Dickie, while Sil seems to mostly just be aware of them. I still think that role in Many Saints would have worked better with Paulie instead of Sil and maybe we would have gotten a more subtle performance but I am willing to admit Silvio was always intended to be older than Tony. Also actor ages isn't much of a factor considering Tony is supposed to be like 15 years Chrissy's senior but Gandolfini was only like 5 years older than Imperoli. @@randompersononthenet8548
"alan taylor is a good director" shows him sitting in front of the terminator genisys poster xd
Many Saints of Newmark is NOT Sopranos prequel. Its a film about race riots and cuckoldry. Sopranos characters are only in background.
And THAT is the problem with it.
As Tony said, "'Remember when' is the lowest form of conversation." The film was absolutely poisoned with call-backs, and the burden of them denied this movie from becoming its own thing. You want to do the Newark riots through the eyes of Jersey mafiosos? That's a great film full of over the top characters. You want to do a story about a psychopath who insinuates himself into a family and grooms their son into becoming his own personal golem? You got a nice little thriller. But if you do both you end up with a beef wellington that turned into a burrito.
The sacred and the propane
very allegorical
Pass the gabagool….
Phil Leotardo: If they can get Kino to watch many saints of Newark again, what else can they make him do?
MANY SAINTS WAS A SERIOUS LET DOWN BRO.
Serious money in this sht though!
I think it was just David Chase's excuse to explore his woke fantasies. Like for real a gang war between the blacks and Italians? Never happened.
Coming from the guy who made the Sopranos, it's a shocker he could put out something so bad.
@@bigbubba7753filming movies where u gotta condense stuff and then long drawn out show is different
Straight facts
The Many Saints Of Newark ending version of "Woke Up This Morning" was amazing. Much better than the original In my opinion. Stay golden fam.
You watched it again? How much more betrayal can I take.
Paulie walnuts had a goomah played by Judy Reyes, she played Carla in Scrubs
I wonder if Turk knows
My friend played Artie in this film. He had nothing but nice things to say about filming. Even if the film isn’t the best there’s parts that I like
that's a nice story.
I can't have this conversation again.
Fr, I'm never going to watch that again. I HATED IT
I had 2 main issues with the film:
1) Random continuity errors, especially characters ages changing, notably Sil and Pus being 10-15 years older than Tony when it was clear in the show that they were all meant to be around the same age. I didn't have an issue with scenes referenced in the show being different in the film, that makes sense with the characters being unreliable narrators and human memory being imperfect anyway.
2) The plot was convoluted and it seemed like they were trying to squeeze a miniseries' worth of story into a single 2.5 hour film.
The main strands were:
a) Dickie's relationship with his immediate family (father and uncle)
b) Dickie's relationship with his extended family (esp. Tony)
c) Dickie's relationship with the mafia
d) Dickie's other criminal activities, i.e the Harold plot line
e) Young Tony's story and decision to follow his family into the mafia.
All of these plot lines were promising but none of them were given enough time to develop and engage the audience.
It seems that the team behind the film consisted of people who were very good at writing and directing TV series, but struggled to adapt that to a film with its limitations in screen time. Alan Taylor especially - if you look at his work, he has directed excellent episodes for some of the best pieces of TV, but his film work has been less than stellar (Thor: The Dark World, Terminator Genesis, TMSON...)
HBO: Did you like The Many Saints Of Newark?
Me: I DIDENT!
😂😂😂
I see what you did there 😂
Everyone: Did this virgin seriously say ‘Me:’ in his own comment?
As decisive as Pure Kino is I would have been proud to call him a brother in law but now I don’t know… what were we talking about again?
The “inaccuracies” were deliberate choices.
Everything with the carnival and later shows you several things:
- How Tony viewed his father vs. how he actually was
- Tony’s narcissistic nature affects how he viewed himself as a child
Like that entire story, Melfi reacts in a way in that she can’t believe what she’s hearing. Which we know now makes sense because it was all made up.
Hell, Tony even projects his relationship with his daughter onto his father and Janice.
I think the stuff about whether or not Dickie is an addict is supposed to show that Christopher was looking for an out for dealing/not dealing with his drug problem. It was a narrative he was told and believed.
My biggest problem with this movie was that it didn’t do anything new.
1. We don’t get an exact answer on who killed Dickie Moltisanti (only that Uncle Junior ordered it).
2. We’ve seen the main character fall for his mistress, only for her to get jealous and lash out for him going back to his wife.
3. We’ve seen the main character lash out in jealousy over his goomar also being unfaithful.
4. The sets were pretty much the same. A lot of it still takes place in Satriale’s and the church they’d go to for every funeral (probably the most minor critique).
Plus the few things they did change didn’t really matter they even re-filmed some old flashbacks from the show.
1. Young Tony being taken away by the police when his father was arrested has zero bearing on the plot.
2. Johnny firing the gun into Livia’s beehive hairdoo could just be chalked up as something he did more than once.
3. Silvio.
4. They did a good job building up Harold as a villain (the only new character), but him lashing out at Dickie seemed to come out of nowhere. And there was no resolution for that plot point.
5. When I first watched it, I thought Giuseppina was supposed to be Chris’s real mother, but that wasn’t the case? Idk.
Besides Silvio, the film was well acted and looked authentic for a period piece. But it just felt like they threw a bunch of familiar things in for fan service that did nothing for the plot.
Nah the affirmative action scenes were definitely out of nowhere 😂 they had to do it so they couldn't be called "racist"
I got called racist because I said Harold’s character was an utter waste and should not have been there. Has nothing to do with race but I did not want to see a character that was not part of the show when the shows lore had so many great stories we never saw but were told of.
I thought the Harold story would lead to Tony’s first body(murder). Remember when him and Paulie went on the lam because the feds found Willie Overall’s body. If I remember right Harold was beefing someone named Overall before he went to the army. I think it was the guy he shot.
you know who had an arc? Noah!
Yeah. After a rewatch honestly it doesn’t really get any better unfortunately
That intro killed me😂😂 that disappointment at the end is so real
Junior :"They stole my car."
Janice: "Who's they?"
Junior: "You know who."
if the sHoE FiTs
They should remake it but make it better…..
The Purekino Cut
Saints is basically a film that proves the statement "fixing it until it's broke" correct.
I'd never give this film a second chance
I agree with you so much bro, David Chase needed to be there and the movie was almost the Sopranos. I wanna see more Tony and Livia + gangster life with Michael Gandolfini so I hope we get a prequel series.
You can be a alcoholic without being a coke/drug addict.
My biggest issue with Many Saints of Newark is that it doesn't accomplish anything. They went to all this effort getting a decent cast and recreating the time and setting, and then they're unable tell any kind of worthwhile story.
The plot is unfocused and all over the place too...
*You have Dickie Moltisanti as the protagonist, and it's about his personal struggles and his relationship with Giuseppina.
*You have what I guess is a conflict with this black gang led by Harold McBrayer. One that they didn't explain very well and wasn't even resolved.
*And then you also have this weird stuff with Tony: Where he does shit like steal an ice cream truck with his friends and try to get his mother on an antidepressant. (This is what you do with teenaged Tony Soprano?)
These are all things you could flesh out and make sense of over a television season, but they didn't have a season. They had a two-hour movie and it's almost like they just filled it with undeveloped ideas until it was time for the credits.
Great analysis!
That movie was a straight bait and switch. A product of its time.
Should of been a series instead a film.
Should HAVE been
@@ArthurVerhulstErr... you missed a period at the end of your sentence there Arthur. Grammar Nazi really isn't a good look, why not just let people be?
@@PK_Mega_Awesome You're right. But I just don't understand why one would write a word that's totally not what is meant, esp. when there is a simple alternative that's two letters longer. I just don't get it.
I do get: should've been 😉
@@ArthurVerhulstThey got it wrong. It was a mistake. You are very clever. Give yourself a pat on the back for needlessly putting someone down to make yourself feel big. Or maybe don't do that I dunno, maybe you are just a nasty mean individual, who really knows?
Did you notice that Chris claims that he won’t show his imaginary black lover to his “friends,” because he doesn’t want to listen to Paulie’s racist remarks? The same Paulie who was shown to have a black girlfriend early on!
Wasn't she a dark skinned latino?
She was latino.apples and bowling balls my friend
@@mikefloyd3152Aka. black. Their dark skin comes from being the descendants of African slaves who spoke Spanish.
Descendants of African slaves AND Spaniards!
@@mikefloyd3152She was.
Regardless of everything, you've done the greatest job regarding the recapping of one of the greatest, top 3 TV shows of all time. I agree with you as far as the film goes....but the TV show? I've watched nearly ALL of your recaps!! Thanks for those! As to the series itself? The Sopranos is the best TV show ever, along with Star Trek: The Next Generation, and The Simpsons....again, thanks for all the work you've done with the recaps, Pure Kino!! I've loved reviewing such an amazing show!
Best part of this review was all the cuts to The Sopranos 😅
This is the "He's still here dancing" of videos. Kino doesn't have to do this to himself.
I reckon the muddled narrative w Dickie not being a drug addict, but still showing him swigging vodka is not a mixed message, but simply a demonstration that the truth gets distorted and nothing is ever clearly one thing or another
Man what a cop out. Anything to make it fit your view huh?
Agreed. The past was confused, due to him having those pills in his pocket.
The many saints of Newark is the lowest form of conversation.
Would have been better as a mini series to try to fit all that in a two hour movie just didn't work
That means we would’ve had more of this crap? No thanks
Kino watched this again so we didn't have to. A true hero 👏 👏 👏
One trick they missed that I would have loved to see would be to have Tony Sirico playing Paulie Walnuts, like how in Back To The Future the principal is exactly the same no matter the time period. I would have loved that.
You don’t ever admit the existence of The Many Saints of Newark!
Plot twist: this is the script Jon Favreau stole from Christopher Moltisanti. Nah, even he would try harder.
Happy New Year Kino, the Chinese Son Zoo 🐉
There’s good and there’s not good. This is not good.
Many Saints has to be one of the biggest missed opportunities in cinema history.
I saw a video that had the theory you mentioned on how the events in the movie actually happened and the details in the series was due to bad memory. The video compared the funfair bust scenes from season 1 and the movie. I think that theory adds a fun detail to the series, stories getting passed down, details changing over time. Goes with the mob life too as the loyal members wouldn't squeal or tell the full story to people unless they were rats and members would exaggerate details if they wanted attention or to boast.
HBO always said The many saints of newark was never a mob movie, its a glorified indie film!
I felt like I was watching one of Little Carmines flicks
My estimation of you just went down the drain
I know Kinos bottom was impacted, that's for sure.
It wasn’t a bad movie just could have been so much better.
no it was a bad movie.
It was straight up, woke crap.
Reality = woke@@readmore4178
it was garbage@@readmore4178
@@supersaiyanzero386 Movies are not reality
The true ending of the show was Noah Tannenbaum punching Tony's lights out.
Love the idea. But this should have been a mini series. Spread out into 5 episodes.
That's it. It was just too much in 2 hours. Spread it out, or cut stuff.
The ad after Vito's story was crazy!
I think the biggest gripe of the movie for me was the fact that they never explain things that they would bring up in the show, it just doesn’t make sense to market the movie as a prequel then just forget to mention anything that could warrant an entire movie
"Glad you caught that Kino, very observant, the sacred and the propane".
The prison scenes were some of the best and most thought provoking scenes in the movie
I believe the Harold sub plot ties into HUD story line! Remember when they in the steam bath talking! The black guy tells story about moving into a Italian neighborhood! That’s why the end credits was Harold moving next door to the Italian family
it should have been all about tony or all about the newark riot, especially at the length they decided to go with. maybe it would have turned it from a christopher tier movie to a little carmine tier movie
Madonna mia, Kino. Damn good retrospective again though, mio amico.
My estimations of Kino as a man, just fucking skyrocketed for watching this movie twice
You subverted my expectations with that comment.
Kino I remember you
You played christopher when he was doing a stock broker exam
Honestly Kino, if you did a rewatch and had longer videos about the episodes like your initial watch-through but obviously much slower, so you don't burn out.
I'd watch the hell out of that
Sometimes I go about in pity for my grilled cheese on the radiator, when all the while a great shine box carries me across the sky, whatever happened there. I did 20 fuckin years!
People Expected The Story to be that of The Sopranos, but it was about Tony's Childhood, and what led him to the "Life of Theirs"
Kino, video idea none of the other Sopranos fan channels have done before as you're the ONLY one who can make this work: I've long contended that David Chase has some sort of weird vomit fetish given all the times characters on The Sopranos have visibly vomited on screen (particularly Tony). Without the visuals (we didn't need to see it then; we certainly don't now), can you explore if Chase frequently used vomiting as some sort of weird plot device, or did he just enjoy grossing his audience out? Thanks!
>>David Chase has some sort of weird vomit fetish
As a black man and a Sopranos fan I feel like I must comment for the first time I’ve been watching you for a long time. This is a great take on midway through what you said about the black community in New Jersey being a black man but I’m not from New Jersey is actually factual because I watched it for the second time and came to the same conclusion.
Keep talking like that and we’ll send you to slip and fall school
i agree i mostly like this take on the movie however re: sally
he is meant to portray the devil
-dickie makes a deal with him to have Christopher by bringing him jazz
- jazz used to be called devils music
- when christopher is born that is when we see dickie drinking, perhaps he gave a piece of his soul manifested thru addiction
- sally is a Buddhist, which in Christian faith is a false prophet
Should of been 3hrs or mini series💯
It should've been a short series. Then it would have time to explore both the riots and the romanticized mob life. And just fix its nconsistencies like Silvio's age and many characters not being there at all like Paulie, Feech or Tony B or Puss heck even a young Johnny Sack or maybe Carmine would've been great to see in a scene or two. The film didn't shy away from Easter eggs but sure did when it came to showing fan favorite characters in their prime.
I don’t know how the hell I missed the blind jr league part I actually thought you where gaslighting me for a moment
It definitely could have been a lot better at some key parts I can think of, but it also had some good scenes. Plus Im fond of the guy that portrayed Dickie, I think he and Junior’s actors played the parts perfectly.
I wish they showed that dickies mother in law was Christopher mom. That girl looks so much like Chris
The Harold subplot wasn't a bad idea, it just doesn't end up anywhere interesting. It honestly feels like he has the scuffle with the Italians and then his plot just kind of stops.
Na, it was not needed. Especially with the show having g told us all these great stories of the past, that would have made for a great film to see ll those great stories and conflicts brought to the screen. But nope had to make a movie with a black dude or the peanut gallery would have cried about lack of diversity.
I think Chase wanted to make it a much more profound piece about racism and life in late 60s North Jersey.. having grown up here and hearing stories from my parents I was excited to hear it was primarily about the mafia in the backdrop of the Newark riots.. it’s a story that needs to be told.. about working class people and the dynamics of corruption and violence.. this could have been an excellent movie.
I surmise Chase wanted the fact that it was in the Sopranos universe a minor detail but Warner Bros. insisted he add more elements with Tony, etc. It ruined the film.
Please go to the doctor and get checked for cancer now
the intro was fantastic lmao.