The Shocking Collapse and Exit of OpTic Gaming from Apex
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- OpTic Gaming was not long ago at the top of the Apex Legends competitive scene. Heading into Year 4 the expectation was that they were the best chance at dethroning the TSM and DZ dynasties but instead things go wrong and eventually they not only miss out on LAN but the org drops the team and leaves the scene altogether.
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CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro
0:57 Problem #1
5:40 Problem #2
15:20 Problem #3
18:09 OpTic leaves Apex
20:26 Outro
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Just wanna say out of all the orgs that have ever left Apex this is probably the one that hurts the most. Partially because of how good they've been historically with 3 top 10 finishes on LAN but also because OpTic has definitely been a big inspiration to me and my channel. Definitely had dreams of one day doing content similar to that of their "Vision" or "Process" documentaries and had hopped that maybe one day they would bring that level of content to the Apex scene surrounding their team. Been a fan of them since I was a kid playing COD. Still rooting for the org and all the content they push but sucks they left Apex... Hope the boys can find a new home :(
Maybe faze?
have they fully left apex or do you think they sign another team next split?
@@Doorbell_11 as of right now they are fully gone. Will they come back one day? Who knows but highly doubtful for next split
The main issue/reason was probably they added zero value to the org - they didn't stream scrims or PL. Those are the two major viewership areas in apex . Gotta be some benefits to the org in these deals. Probably why zero started streaming on a regular basis. DZ weren't "really" getting much out of of that deal outside of Lan coverage.
Nah I think NRG hurts the most. I know sweet has gone to another org but nrg leaving was definitely bigger than this in my opinion.
Watching the clips of them driving directly by evo caches hurts
Because dropped is an idiot
The team has been my favorite since the days of ESA and that 4 in a row win match day. Said to see that this roster may disperse
ESA has had some incredible players over the years. Would a video on that org
2:55 Knoqd blocks every shot that Dropped takes I can't🤣
That is INSANE how bad they did on Storm Point. Not a single top 3 is wild
Yet they used to be really good at it 😭😭😭
Bro, not backing up your team when they needed a coach, specially a team that was top 2 at Champs, is so frustrating…
Look at them driving past all those evo caches😅
get this man a contractttttt - for real bro the effort you put into these is insane
I wanna him be able to put even more effort into them about current and even old topics too. These videos are great
he said in his discord that being signed would pretty much only limit his options, plus he wouldn't be able to cast at lan. i think he's happy as is!
@@kittyratrawr well if I was signed to do content that would be awesome. I could go full time doing content if that was the case
@@AyeJHawk ooh that makes sense. i must've misread. hopefully you can get an offer :D
Can we get a tripods episode, their story from start to finish, the ups and downs! Nick leaving, Onmuu joing and then finally making pro league again. Please 😁
I feel like we need to see a bit more of their current run before that vid is worth making. They're still in the kitchen rn.
Yup let's see a top 10 LAN finished I'd be juiced for that video
@@torsteinminer4929 facts tripods just got in the kitchen tbh. the insanely huge mountain they have to climb to make the match point finals lan
@@torsteinminer4929 agree but its already a good story to tell, can't wait to see what happens
nick shining the lights on these new pros with the MFAM Gauntlet
Currently pausing the video midway through appreciating the quality of this video. Thanks for explaining the intricacies of comp to casual like myself
It’s so sad especially the way they ended, so sudden, didn’t feel like they got a proper send off I would’ve loved for them to go out with dignity
Let’s goooo another JHawk video 🔥🔥🔥
Wow that’s crazy. I remember this team almost won the last LAN in record time, losing a 3v3 to LG after being the first on match point.
Damn, great video my guy!
I never knew that Optic didn't even have a coach, and the org denying the team a coach all together? That's insanity
I cannot believe how you do not get more hype, your videos are top tier and your voice is so nice to listen to. I hope one day you get the recognition you deserve with the high quality videos you produce! Thank you so much for bringing us such amazing content
Jhawk videos always make my day better fr
Thanks jhawk needed some content
WAS WAITING FOR THIS
Great video!
wooooo another Jhawk banger
Such a great team, like you said itd be a shame to see them split, hopefully we get a crazy comeback story split 2.
Absolute W video! Good job
Please never stop making these short films.
Great video
JHawk = injecting passion into the apex scene that is much needed!
I haven't play apex since cryo(I think is his name the drone guy) but I love watching your vids you definitely understand the scene and its great content
Hands down the best at breaking it down please never stop!
Let’s go jhawk upload
I just hate how the org handled their leaving of apex. They had the apex team in texas at their offices 2-3 weeks before letting them go and they couldn’t have had a small conversation about it then. One of my favorite teams for sure, hope they stick together and prove they’re a top team.
Insta clicked on this. Love your content man ❤
Banger video
Right on time for my break at work👀
Where u work at ? Just curious ?
Ayooooo same.
@@williammatias9380 at a Cheeto factory 🏭
Saddest moments in esports for me. Especially as an optic fan, I've seen that org go through hard times like the denial of the val team and the cod dynasty in bo3 but this hurts the most. I think because this team was so good and they got done so dirty by the org, it's painful to see
Optic gaming dropping their Apex roster because the money is terrible is more sad than Optic losing at Cod champs? Absolute outrageous take😅
I love the Optic boys. Hope they still stick together and keep grinding, and find a new org
I was about to mess with you for worrying about this getting out before LAN…before remembering LAN is next week 😂
Babe wake up j hawk dropped another banger🗣️🗣️
BANGER
JHawk doing what he Do
So this is the video you were working on after Thursday scrims and the Luka vs Harden debate🤣
Luka Doncic is the white James Harden and nobody can convince me otherwise
@@AyeJHawk he’s way better and wayyyy classier
we are all actually waiting on an in-depth analysis of aurora just dominating everyone
biggest highlight in this video is right after dying at 4:43, catalyst has a straight up sad face on knoqd's screen🤣🤣
I really really hope Optic does a uturn 😭
Dude just noticed when he says subscribe if you aren’t full screened the sub button dose an animation
those vids are so fuckin banger, i love it
Lets goooo birthday gift
@AyeJHawk when video about Reject Winnity ?
I can’t believe it they are the coolest org and were my favorite team I genuinely can’t believe they lost😭😭😭 Banger video jhawk ur the goat and I hope u get 100k subs!!!❤❤❤🐐🐐🐐🔥🔥🔥
W Hawk upload
Waiting for that tripods video
Bro do you by any chance know where to find the vods of each teams individual pov for finals? Normally i would go to elben gate but looks like they are out of commision
bottom of the description of every video
Per usual your an absolute legend! @@AyeJHawk
As an Optic fan for a very long time, the coach thing makes no sense because the COD team and Halo team both have head coaches that review gameplay and make sure they are doing the right things in and out of the game. Feel bad for these guys whatsoever because Optic dropped out as an org
Peak dropped again W 💯
I watched dropped’s video of needing a coach but from a different perspective, it seems they let little mistakes get in the way
That a coach might’ve helped but skipping evo caches and communication issues seems like a personal issue
People still have trouble understanding the importance of caches and roles/classes.
Never forget that insane LAN clutch by Skittlecakes. Showed the full potential of mnk in an upclose fight
Skittle needs a better team or optic needs a better igl
didnt even realise they left wtf
I'm surprised hecz hasn't talked about this at all. Kinda crazy. I love optic as an org. Never really liked the apex squad, but when furia was out of contention, i was optic all the way.
sort of par for the course with the org tbh. If they dropped their Halo team I could see it but the core people arent as deeply involved in the other esports teams. Hitch did seem pretty sad about it so at least there is that
Scump’s little apex watch party phase, when he was waking up early to watch champs was literally what got me into comp apex, and honestly apex in general. So to see them leave truly hurts the scene, because apex is still young and I know they truly could have helped grow this scene like they’ve done with Cod and also other esports.
During that time I had wondered if that could elevate even further. Scump was playing apex all the time, even ranking with Hal, Verhulst and others. Shotzyy, Pred, and other guys were playing it too. Wondered if we could maybe one day see the full blown scump watch party start watching ALGS match days or at the very least LANs with the whole crew (maybe even bring on apex creators like Daltoosh they have now, similar to how Maniac helps out more with Halo watch parties). Shame it never happened
R u going to cover why TSM struggle on LAN final ?
jhawk goat
I hate that we left Apex Legends it was the one team outside of COD I kept up with I loved every thing the highs and the lows.
Can you do a recap/road to lan video? I just couldn't enjoy watching or playing apex during this Bangalore smoke meta so majorly out of the loop with this upcoming Lan
Teams deciding nit to stream for their SUPPORTERS is an interesting move to say the least
watching optic this split has been extremely painful. as much as optic leaving blows, i feel like there have to be managerial issues that helped to cause this falling off
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Optic Gaming has rarely ever promoted their other teams. If a team isnt COD or Halo, its almost as if they aren't a part of the Greenwall. Which is an absolute shame considering they've had so many talented players with great personalities, yet as a casual fan you'd never know who they even were. Most didnt even realize they had a Rocket League and a Counterstrike roster until Optic announced they got rid of them. It just sucks because Dropped, Skittlecakes, and Knoqd deserved so much better from their org. Optic didn't believe in the esport enough to get them a coach, spouting no budget, but then signed Daltoosh immediately after. I can only imagine he was not cheap. Not to mention, Optic also had this same roster for almost two whole years, yet they only did a couple videos together with them. When they all did that in-person tournament against other Optic players, pretty much everyone there couldn't even be bothered to learn these guy's names. Everyone commentating on the couch kept asking who they were and wondered if they were any good at Apex. Just shows that they truly were the outlier and forgotten team.
This whole sitaution just really makes mad as an old Optic fan. They clearly don't want to be an esport org anymore. They want to be a "content" org now. I guess all you have to do to be a content org is make filler episodes of podcasts with the same four retired pros talking about COD from 2012.
Its bc the apex team don’t live any where near dallas where OpTic does all if there content
Please god pet these boys get signed🙏 this old optic roster was just too good
Sad to see the greenwall leave apex. Their content would go crazy
6:20 isn’t this a spectator mode issue? that all evo caches stay on the map even after they’ve been collected? I don’t recall seeing it ever work in spectator. even when you watch the team pick it up it still stays on our map
Nah bro this isn’t spectator mode, these clips are pulled straight from their streams. They drive right past them
@@AyeJHawk the clip at 6:14 shows player names in the kill feed so it’s the observer view. each team has an observer in the lobby to make the team POV streams. you can see this evo cache map issue still happening today on the FACEIT streams and main broadcast
Feel free to go find these clips for yourself. They all occur on day 6. They do not grab a single EVO cache shown. I zoomed in on the map, the gameplay is literally them driving right past it. They had never been in that area prior to the clip being shown. At no point did they collect them
@@AyeJHawk I'm not doubting the analysis that they skip EVO caches, I'm pointing out that these clips alone don't show that because of the bug. At the 6:25 example, that EVO harvester was already picked up by E8 at Round 1 00:14 (Game 4 Day 7). Optic drives by ~ 50 seconds later at Round 1 Closing 3:52. So there is no cache for them to collect, but the map/observer bug still makes it seem like there is.
Every team can collect the same EVO cache. It is not one use per lobby, it’s one use per team. E8 did grab it and Optic could’ve grabbed it immediately after. Whatever bug you are referring to is not occurring in these clips. Dropped himself on the Wide Swing podcast said driving right by EVO caches was a major issue for them. That EVO cache shown on the map was FULLY PRESENT and able to be grabbed in every single clip shown.
JHAWK upload Im in
Now I know this might be difficult because you talk to a lot of these guys but how about an Apex pros tier list?
I was a fan of optic as an org too. It sucks that they left apex because I dont really care about CoD or halo.
Knoqd going to LG. Sweets dropping slayr.
Coaches in Cod and Halo are definitely important multiple examples of the being the case and for OpTic being in games like CS, Valorant and League in the past they know how important coaches are i think personally from following OpTic for like over 10 years the Org is in a weird place they have been slowly leaving all esports bar Cod and Halo over the last few years with no real explanation to why and not entering any new Esports, This decision to leave Apex is definitely all about the pointless inadequate partner program they obviously feel its not worth the money for what hey get in return which is sad.
this is one of the most depressing videos ive ever seen 😂😭
Wonder if skittle go back to controller will fix some issues.
seems like he is gonna do it so we shall see. I do think his really aggressive playstyle will benefit from it
@JHawk make a video TSM comeback in Final day after struggling in whole pro league days to get a win.
I miss dooplex :/ dropped is a hell of a player but og optic trio cooked hard
I think something you should've touched on in this video and the XSET one should be about the inputs. Dropped mentioned it on his stream already, but how many teams that are going to LAN have 2-3 MNK players? You can count the number of double or triple MNK teams on one hand. Controller is just too strong and these teams like XSET and Optic that have more MNK players just can't keep up with the controller AA- regardless of how good the individual player is
Well I highly disagree with the idea that this was the issue. Furia is double mnk and a completely new roster and they made it pretty easily. Optic has been double mnk for years including when placing 2nd at champs. Same goes for XSET. It’s not like suddenly aim assist got more powerful this split compared to previous ones. If anything this meta caters more to mnk with you having to constantly fight through smoke
I feel sorry for skittles and knoqd. But I think it’s karma for dropped. His arrogance and big headedness is finally destroyed his career. Calling out other players when he was doing terribly. Just a sore loser
Tbf - re: the coach thing. Optic value coaches in cod/halo. I think optic clearly weren't getting anything at all out of this deal, so didnt want to invest more money. All they had to do was turn the dam streams on lol
It seems like optic as an org is focusing/streamlining their focus away from smaller properties. A lot of these issues sound similar to issues that their Rocket League team was facing before their exit from the sport - I know they’re always big into COD/Halo but am interested if this is felt in other communities they used to be a part of.
OpTic fans been telling me the same thing happened to their rocket league and valorant teams
@AyeJHawk that makes a lot of sense. Especially given that it feels (mostly) unattached from performance (recent league play excluded), it does seem like more a money/management issue, which is the worst. I hope this squad gets picked up, they’re solid gold together
WE IN EARLY MOTHER FRICKERS
The issue with the team is they never played together. opposite schedules, and I don't think they've ever ranked together. You have to play together, daily in order to compete in this née generation of apex
I thought problem number 2 was gonna be worlds edge lmao
Hitch had quite a few comments on reddit explaining why they left. Its all in non committal business speak but he was upset with the decision too
I read them, maybe didnt see all of them, but from the ones I read I came away with zero new knowledge as to the reasoning. I get he is probably upset though, he and a few others definitely supported the team while they had them
All three of them are among the most talented players. They just had no synergy at all.
Bro both Optic Halo and Cod have coaches and analyst lol
Karma the goat in cod and LunchBox in Halo. So weird there was a “disconnect” when BOTH team have coaches.
I think Dropped's point is that Apex is the esport the org is the least invested in, both financially and emotionally. COD and Halo are their core esports teams. And in those core esports they have seen that coaches are not that important so naturally if you carry that mindset then in the other esports you have where you are investing even less financial resources, a coach is a pretty easy thing to completely overlook and not give your team. When in reality of the three games Apex is probably the one where a coach is the most important. Thats the disconnect
It feels ironic that every team who almost killed of TSM left the game within a year(ACEND, NRG, now Optic)
Can you leave the team audio on after deaths? You always cut it when they are about to discuss what happen
feel free to go watch the full vods brother, if there is something important to hear then I keep it going like after that Furia fight but otherwise the vods cut off when teams die pretty quick and I can let it go too long, gotta keep the video moving
Damn didn’t know they were denied a coach, that is fucked
not really... they had a coach they kicked him. and tried to get a different coach
@@b3to653 no they didn’t, the coach was on trial and was never signed.
@@2robjenkins yes they did LMAOOO they literally signed coach Loopy after Split 2 Playoffs. and after Champs they dropped him for whatever reason and tried to sign someone else
@@b3to653 he was never signed, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@2robjenkins ok i guess the ceo of optic doesn't know what he's talking about.. he literally said that bozo
With OpTic they all have coaches in both CoD and Halo and only Halo is allowed to have a Coach with them during the match and that's staple Halo Esports. I don't understand why they were denied a coach unless they were already planning to back out of ALGS because the Apex/EA isn't like CoD or Halo has it where their team skins goes directly to the Orgs.
Could only guess something is changing within the OpTic org or profits within the org is dwindling with how the economy is.
There’s absolutely no money in Apex which is the issue. So many big orgs have left so I don’t blame Optic at all tbh
Now we just need the analysis of why TSM was so bad during the recent algs
#signjhawk let’s get this man on an org already!
So odd to me. If you were doing well before with a different comp and now you’re doing AWFUL with a new comp… just use what works. People get too caught up in META and it ruins them.
well the comp they ran at champs isnt as good as it used to be, the game nerfs and buffs characters, thats how it goes
I think Optic as an org really dropped the ball with this one... hope the boys get another org
not really. optic asked the apex teams to move to dallas to be more involved and make content but they never did. and this is also the second time they don't make LAN 😂😂
lets go
I hope optic gaming owner see this video and sign them again.
No one but OpTic know whats going on with their business, and cuts may have been needed and the Apex roster isn’t what they are known for so they were let go.