STANDARD HAMMER DRILL vs SDS PLUS ROTARY HAMMER DRILL - Watch Before You Buy!
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- Standard Hammer Drill VS SDS Plus Rotary Hammer Drill - Watch Before You Buy!!
Do you really need an SDS Plus Rotary Hammer Drill? Today we test the Milwaukee M18 Hammer Drill against the Milwaukee M18 Fuel SDS Plus Rotary Hammer Drill to see how big the difference is when drilling holes in concrete for fasteners. - Jak na to + styl
If you only have a few large holes, a simple cheat for using the hammer drill is to start with a smaller bit (gives more psi at the drill tip) then go again with the larger bit. It works because the concrete on the edge of the hole no longer has support all the way round, so it crumbles into the hole
SDS+ is essential for any electrician. I once had to prove it to my boss on a residential job mounting switch gear on a raised concrete slab. His 1/2” hammer drill smoked 2 new bits on 2 holes. My SDS+ did the other 20 on a seasoned bit. He bought 2 corded and 1 cordless SDS+ drills the next day.
i just spent 8 minutes of my life watching a guy drill holes in a concrete bucket! where is my life going? lol #juskidding great vid very informative
🤣🤣🤣 was that an 8 min video? They go by so quick, we should have made it 16 mins long!!
It was a bucket of concrete, not a concrete bucket.
I could literally watch this for 8 hours to see the ability (or lack of ability) of each drill to complete every size fastener.
mike roten use real chipping drill bosch
Me too! But.. Great though innit?
Rule of thumb for me: If the hole is smaller than 1/2" and less than 12" deep - my hammer drill can usually handle the job without too much issue... usually. Anything close to 12" deep and 1/2" or bigger, you NEED a rotary hammer. It is amazing how much easier smashing holes into concrete can become when using one.
I need 1/4 and 3/8 anchors but I need round straight holes. Not sure i wanna take my chances with a hammer drill 🤔
Love the video! Had to drill 28 holes in cement and cinder block walls and it took me 15 min two holes with my mighty corded dewalt hammer drill. Tried my makita cordless even worst! Got me a cheap Bauer rotary hammer from Harbor Freight and did all 26 remaining holes in less than 10 seconds each!! This tool is my new best friend!!😁
yeah, I bought a HF rotary tool (before they were "Bauer" .. Chicago Electric? it was like $60, which is what Home Depot was charging for a one day rental of their Hilti rotary hammer. However, I knew I'd only be working sporadically over multiple weekends, so it was worth having my own unit for multiple days. It worked like a dream and I figure that if it broke, HF would just swap it for me.
Good video once again for people that want info on drillers and such. That drill was sure heating up quick and Vince it sure seems like you enjoy what you do hands on everything.
Great video Vince. I had no idea that impact smaller wouldn't sink that anchor! I'm usually doing small 3/16 tapcons into brick and stone so I haven't had that problem. Good to know!
This is a great comparison. Love that you tried different sized bits as well as the impact wrench test. THanks
Thank you ramit!
I like the new intro music! Great job! Im always notifed to yalls videos
This video was perfect. Straight to the chase and easy comparisons with simple “well, what kind of work do you need to finish??” Results
Exactly for this kind of demonstration i was looking for it. Tnx for the vid.
Thank You! Exactly what I was looking for!
Great video guys! Helped me on my project :)
The m18 brushed drill does real well for what it is. I have the same drill on my truck. For a couple of anchors here and there it does fine. When it's time to go to work I just stretch a drop cord and grab the electric sds drill.
I was actually shocked the 1/4" impact couldn't sink the 3/8 tapcon.
I was a little shocked myself!!
one of my fav tool videos . i'm just a DIY'er these days , a few small to mediumish side jobs here and there . my lightly/rarely used dewalt i ended up getting the bosch SDS plus 18v 7/8 with battery and charger for $129 @ lowes and it does me just fine . i've never had to drill masonary larger than 3/4 inch . thanks and take care dude , jeff .
Never seen someone so excited about drilling holes... well maybe when I was in college haha. Thanks for the review
Great video. Really informative and easy to understand. Keep the good work up.
Thank you Jack!
I appreciate the video! Was contemplating purchasing a SDS, but the opportunity definitely hasn't presented itself.
Is this "The boy that made Milwaukee Famous?" :) I thought it was a commercial, he even has a Milwaukee hoover, but he has DeWalt tools in shot. So just a great presenter.. PASSIONATE, fun and informative! Great stuff!
Thank you!!
This video made me sick inside. I am trying to drill 4 9/16 holes in granite with a 1/2" non rotary Dewalt battery operated hammer drill so I can get wedges and feathers in. I am 73 and may not live long enough to complete the job. When I saw the SDS plus at work, I got sick to my stomach. Where I live there aren't even rental places. It was a very enlightening comparison.I think I am doomed.
Excellent informative demonstration!
Thank you for this! I'm off to the store to get us an SDS drill 🏃
Very good point , I’ve heard a lot of people miss using tools and are complaining after that are not good , is so frustrating that this days you have so much FREE information yet is happening so often, you should do a video that classifies what’s what and what is should be use for.
Cool
Excellent review Vince as always. What is that bigger impact 18V you using?
Very good content. Thank you sir
Awesome video btw....shows the difference I was looking for between m18 fuel hammer drill vs rotary hammer and impact driver vs impact wrench
This is a great demo. I want more
I was really confused for this video. I'm almost positive the sds hammer drill is actually called a rotary hammer. It's a different more powerful tool than a hammer drill. And only comes with the sds type chucks.
thanks a lot, this helped
Great vídeo thanks for the information 👏👏👏
Thank you for the support!
The little Hammer drill is fine for concrete condensor pads or a few holes in cinderblock walls, but that big SDS drill is the way to go if you're having to go into concrete - wish I could justify buying one - was drooling over it in Home Depot today.
It does come in handy!!
I would have liked to see this with the M18 fuel hammer drill since the SDS plus was M18 fuel. Either way, you did a good job making your point with the video!
I don't mind using my combi drill for one or two small holes (eg for a small wall anchor or two occasionally), but I find the SDS makes cleaner holes because the bit isn't bouncing around in the hole as much, while also being faster. Plus, I find that the chuck tends to end up a bit battered if you use the hammer action too often.
I have the fuel Gen 2 drill and impact, and high performance sds plus fuel and was using all 3 now I've just gone down to using the combi drill for everything and just keeping the accessories I need in my tool belt. But all I'm doing is 5.5mm holes with 1.5" screws so I don't need lug my sds around. (daft that we use two different measurements for the same fixing) another great video Vince V.C.G.C FOR LIFE.
Thanks ray!!
Intro got me excited
Again. More like this. Good info
Like the Mc Hammer intro Vince! Clever! Good topic!
I’m new to tools. What was the difference between the two drivers? Was it just the size? Great video btw.
Best channel in youtube no question
I know this video is 5 years old, but if you ever do this again(I really wish you would more often)
Do this test with a gen4 hammer drill/driver and a 5/8” SDS-plus.
In the manual for the hammer drill it shows their maximum recommended bit size of 5/8” for masonry/concrete bits. Which in my mind makes its closest competitor in the SDS realm: the 5/8” Fuel rotary hammer.
You can even get an m12 version of that SDS hammerdrill. If your doing mostly smaller diameter holes in concrete the m12 is great. There is a couple versions, I have the one that is rated up to 5/8" capacity, model 2416-20.
That’s the same unit my alarm installer uses!!
good demo!
Thanks Jeff!
Joey from Friends is a construction worker now?
Thanks for watching!! We'll be there for you!
VCG Construction Haha dude you guys are the shit
ass2mouthallday 🤣🤣🤣 I was just thinking he looks and sounds like Joey
Thanks mate , ripper video .
Thanks Glenn we appreciate it!!
I tried a standard M18 hammerdrill on precast concrete with a 1/4" and 1/2" bits for anchors... It bounced right off. A Milwaukee rotary hammerdrill worked better. For cereal drilling, all day/every day, we use a Hilti rotary hammer drill. Eats the crete
Cereal or serial? Is that how they get those holes in my cheerios?
@@DaveM2 Beat me to it! Just read Woot's comment tonight.
The more colorful application for the SDS rotary is Froot Loops!
awesome video...im getting an sds cordless drill soon cause i need to drill 1/2" hole in concrete 12"deep and worst of all 20ft in the air in a lift. seems like my cordless hammer drill wont get it done.
Good video brother , I cannot tell you how many people that I’ve seen killing themselves with a regular hammer drill. Some do it cuz they’re cheap , some do cuz they just don’t know any better. I am still using my Hilti te72 that I bought in 1991.....it gets it done. And like he said....time is $$$$$
Very good demonstration of using the right tool for the job. That being said I'm very disappointed that there was no baby bird imitation or ballet dance at the end. Vince, you are SHLACKING!!!
If you make a small pilot hole first it's much faster to just step up the bit size til you get to the size you need. Of course get an sds if you got a lot of holes like he said though
I completely agree with what you're saying the right tool for the right job but you didnt clear the hole of dust durring drilling with the standard hammer drill but you did durring the test with sds also with my ryobi standard hammer drill drilled alot of dark diameter holes by oiling my bit or dripping some oil on the bit before and durring use sometimes knowing how to make do is as valuable having more expensive tools
Good stuff...you might have saved me some cash. I have four 5/8 x 5" holes to drill and I think I might be able to get away with my regular hammer drill. Thanks!
I mostly do wood working but want want to use other harder material like bricks and concrete. Trying to figure out if I should get a standard hammer or sds or both. Right now I don't have either.
Wasn’t sure if I needed an SDS plus drill, now I do.
Thanks for the video!
wonder how the m12 will do
Darn you for giving me a excuss to buy another tool. I only install cabinets and occasionally deal with block walls and it's nice to drill into the concrete for the island. Well when you beat the flooring guys. I'm gonna get the m12 or the DeWalt. Lol maybe both lol
Hey vince have you tried out the 5/8 m12 fuel rotary hammer?
I use this for the applications that you've shown and it kicks a lot of ass
I have had 6 different gen 2 Fuels in the last 2 years to replace a gen 1 i had since they came out. They cant handle mode at all. I only use it for 1/4 in holes. Usually 6 at a time once every few days. Did not last ever. I miss my Gen 1.
What was the model of the impact driver used for the large anchor
Thanks for the perspective. But hey do one with that same 18 vs the m12 gen 2 hammer drill
Do us a favor, let Milwaukee know you want us to do that test send a message to them on Twitter, Instagram, and facebook! Send something like this!
@MilwaukeeTool @vcgconstruction published this video czcams.com/video/KXty2kRTQ0s/video.html we're are asking to see M18 1/2 in. Hammer Drill VS M12 fuel Gen2 Hammer Drill! Any thoughts on results?
A more interesting comparison would be a M18 fuel hammer drill vs an M12 fuel rotary hammer.
I only have a few holes to drill but my concern is the tolerance of the hole for the anchor. Does an sds drill produce higher quality holes?
7:25 I've been getting it done with a smaller unit for years.
gangster, love the video, the brooklyn way all day.
Is there an adapter to use an sds+ bit with a desalt hammer drill? Can the chuck be changed?
What's the difference between those two impact drivers? Models wise?
well now i need a video on that big daddy impact driver :)
How about can the m12 fuel rotary hammer run a 1" sds plus bit
thanks
No problem, than you a jwn!!
That SDS plus is a beast!!!
Yea it is Kevin!!
I have the 1 inch plus, great tool!!
Efficiently rated tool.
Get the 1 1/8th sds plus
Much better drill then the one shown here(1 inch plus)
With hardscaping, I drill through dense wet pressure treated timbers (as much as 10 1/2” with 5/16”, 3/8”, and 7/8” bits). What would be the best drill to use?
Milwaukee Hole Hog
I hope you're going to answer a question for me. If you have a rotary hammer drill, a impact driver and a hammer drill and a just plain normal drill, when would you not be able to use the rotary hammer drill but could use one of the others? I really enjoy your videos and I'm glad I subscribe to them. Keep up the great work and thank you.
When you have to get in an extremely tight spot? I’d like to hear your answer, honestly!
@@VCGConstruction actually that's the only answer I could give. The rotary is always bigger so I use my smaller ones only when I get into a small tight area or when my arm gets tired of using the rotary. 😃
I need to install 8 sets of shutters in brick wall, 96 holes on the ladder. What about m12 rotary hammer vs m18 hammer drill?
What about the m12 fuel 5/8" rotary hammer
To be a fair test, use the same drill bit. SDS plus drii is still better, less stress for tool and operator.
Thanks for watching Pete!!!
go to 6:08 and watch his hands on the tool and the way the camera zooms in and out. Sure seems like the clock was sped up in post!!! Looks a bit fraudulent to me!
Same result if it wasn't sped up. Nothing fraudulent about that.
This would be a good video for modern gens
Which can be used to chisel out brick mortar?
Drilling the hole: Combi Hammer: ~18s, SDS ~14s.... so it's about 25% faster. If you're drilling concrete all day long then that might be worth it... but it would have to be basically your entire job before it's worthwhile
Of course, if you need to use the larger 3/4" bits you need SDS: the combi drills are usually only rated up to about 1/2" - but if you're doing anything up to 1/2" and spend less than a couple of hours a day drilling concrete, the combi is plenty good enough for most people
The combi-drill is a great jack-of-all-trades .. but as you point out, like everything else, they have their limits
Hey brother, out of all the SDS hammer drills, which is the best bang for the buck? I was looking at the 1" and would like to have the 3 selections; chipping etc..and figured you would be the 1 to ask!
It depends on which platform you're in, I wouldn't switch platforms just for an sds gun! If you're in both DeWalt & Milwaukee of the 2 we tested the DeWalt won! check the tool war to see! czcams.com/video/My7XnvHdSxw/video.html
VCG Construction I'm a Milwaukee guy! Team red till the end Lol . I work with dewalt and makita users. I'm the only Milwaukee guy Lol. I'm check out video. Thanx brother
VCG Construction dewalt was def impressive!
Bulldog exstream is the best for making holes. But you are trapped by a cord with it.
great vid; easy quck and effective :)
Glad you liked it!
I don't own either. Is there anything you can or want to do with a hammer drill that you can't do with a rotary hammer?
In other words should I just buy the rotary hammer and totally skip the hammer drill?
Can you use the sds plus with way thinner bits? Just to take advantage of the better drilling capability?
You have to be very careful. Here's what happened to me this weekend.
I was installing an exterior stair railing for some family members on their front porch. The bottom was going to be attached to their concrete walk and the top to their brick steps.
The fasteners were 3/8" diameter Tapcons. This was my first time using a corded Bosch rotary hammer drill on brick and I didn't want to take a chance of cracking the brick so I started with a 5/32" SDS+ Bosch bit to drill a full-length pilot hole first.
That worked well; no problems and then enlarging the hole with the 3/8" SDS+ bit was a piece of cake.
I then tried the same strategy using the 5/32" bit on the concrete and I shouldn't have stopped when I saw the bit wavering with the 10-lb weight of the Bosch rotary hammer bearing down.
The bit snapped off at the shank, buried in the hole. I used my 3/8" bit to drill down to it but it'll be too much work to try to get that broken bit out. So I will just cut off a 3" long Tapcon to fit the hole and be done with it. That should be fine because the stair railing post is more than secure with 3" Tapcons in the other 3 mounting holes.
This is all to say that I learned my lesson on trying to use thin bits on concrete -- and to see any bit flexing and wavering as s danger sign to stop. (For the rest of the holes I needed in the concrete, I skipped the "pilot hole" strategy since I didn't need to worry about the concrete "splitting" so I just drilled the holes using the 3/8" bit. Lesson learned for this DIYer.
I drill a ton of Tapcons into Tilt-Ups and my 18v Hammer drill (Not Milwaukee and that may be why) can't even compete with my M12 sds rotary hammer. The difference is night and day. I can even take a burned bit that wont drive in any further with the hammer drill and make it through like butter with the SDS.
That's because the rotary hammer uses a different and more efficient way of hammering.
Putting up a handrail, I just did 8 3/8th x 3 1/2 holes for sleeve anchors with my gen 1 m12 hammer drill. Took all morning and a few batteries but job got done and saved a few bucks on the rotary hammer rental.
Awesome Chris!
The M12 hammer drill is a beast. Drilling 3/8" holes is at the top or beyond its true capacity. Depending the PSI of the concrete that can take a toll on a hammer drill. Im glad you got it done. I sold rotary hammer drills and hammer drills for 2 major tool companies to contractors for over 6 years. I personally own 6 rotary hammer drills. 2 Hiltis, 2 Milwaukees M18 and M12, 1 Metabo, and a 1 Kango. I drill in reinforced concrete constantly. Many years I ruined a 3 speed hammer drill attempting to drill 1/2 " holes in reinforced concrete. I learned from that experience. If a drill is used within its nominal capacity it was last a long time. I make it a habit of never over taxing my drills. All of my drills still work great. Including the Kango which was my fathers. Its over 30 years old. Just sharing. Be safe, be well.
When you put your palm in the back of the drill it's stopping some of the air flow which causes it to heat up faster and when you drill you should go in and out to ream out some of the particles in your hole
Which M18 fuel sds plus rotary hammer is better? The 1" or the 1-1/8" the price difference is only around $40. I value you opinion and I am looking forward to your reply. Thanks
How often will you be drilling holes near maximum capacity? What is the majority of work that you’ll be doing with the rotary hammer?
@@VCGConstruction I do a variety of of work from commercial and residential demo/construction as well as commercial grain silo installation. I sometimes have to drill thru 18" thick footings to run electrical and some mechanical parts. I have burnt out a few hammer drills as well as some lower quality 1" rotary hammers. I recently stepped up to the M18 fuel platform and with the player VCG discount you hooked up at acme I can afford a Fuel SDS plus rotary hammer.
It varies but some days i can drill 60 plus 1" or better holes
@@michaelruiz644 for that many holes that big, you may want to look at the big one. The 1-7/8" SDS max
@@muddybadgers5205 thanks bro. I appreciate your comment.
Haha Great sensation video man thank you
Can I able to use a normal hammer drill bit (the round one) in an SDS plus drill?
No. Rotary hammer drils require SDS bits to allow the drill bit to move.
As I grow in my trade I will eventually own every Milwaukee tool available.
What trade are you in?
finally....vince was able to beat the concrete! he got beat up by it the last time 🤣🤣
No match for the sds plus and the magic of editing!! 🤣🤣🤣
Trying to buy one but now I'm stuck at a fork in the road. Which one do I buy the Plus or the D handle SDS drill from Milwaukee?
The D handle is not as good a unit as the drop motor design from Milwaukee. My buddy has the D handle. I have to drop motor one. In some cases its better to have a corded rotary hammer. You never have to look for a replacement battery 10 years down the line.
Can't believe you wasted all that good silica dust LOL:). Would love to see you review some OHSA aproved drilling methods. It's too late for me but maybe we can save the younger generation. going to need them to build us some nice hospitals LOL
I feel this person should have had his first concrete drill set to '1' instead of '2'. Lower speed = more power. Really good videos though. I just upgraded to the 2717-20 SDS Max Rotary Hammer.
Dam the bit was bending, try letting off not pushing on ass so hard and lift up and down a couple times removing dust while drilling hole. It works wonders especially on deep small holes. Plus honestly the concrete it's really soft it's not from a truck sat in a specific slump curing agents added to it it's like drilling through the butter compared to real concrete. No rebar no wire mesh to deal with still good example man!!
If im drilling through 2 feet of brick do i NEED the sds plus or can i get a long bit for my milwaukee m18 hammer drill?
I’d recommend sds
@@VCGConstruction Thank you!!!!
I would say you need corded power drills for maximum performance.
Now do a comparison between sds plus and sds max.
Wow 7:51 the light in the hall / Room turns off, Behind Vince! 😨😨👻👻
That’s scary stuff bro!!
now do a test with mains powered sds