XC Wheels On A Trail Bike | The One Bike Solution!
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- Doddy has been searching for his "do it all" bike since the late 90’s - He's gone through a whole heap of them including a Giant ATX 990s; Kona Stinkys; Santa Cruz Blur 4X; Commencal Meta 4 and 5s and in recent times his beloved Nukeproof Reactor, but his latest Canyon MTB might just tick all the boxes he's been looking for, but will changing the wheels & tyres to an XC wheelset finally seal the deal for him and prove the Canyon Spectral 125 really is his dream "do it all bike"?
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Try DH wheels on XC bikes and see how it handles? I'm curious if more traction is more significant than less rolling resistance especially on a punchy climbs.
Stumpy Evo. Done much better capability than your Soectral 125 at less weight. Spec R&D is tough to beat. 150/160 with no sacrifice in efficiency to the Spectral 125
How about a timed test? Curious on the timings if it does make a difference
Doddy, I think you just discovered the long-travel Downcountry bike. I've got a 130/130mm travel Trailbike with progressive geo. I hadn't unlocked it's full potential until I put on 2.4 rear and 2.6 front Maxxis Rekons. The combination of light fast-rolling tires, progressive geo, and slightly longer than XC travel provides for a bike that is still fairly capable on the descents but also fast on the climbs and flats. Some other bikes that might do this well would be the Specialized Stumpjumper and Rocky Mountain Element (120-130mm rear and 130-140mm front travel bikes).
Yet to find the perfect do-it-all bike....isn't that part of the fun? Always looking for the next bike to shred, never settle.
Tire choice is such a good way to change a bike's intended purpose. I often put faster tires on my long travel bikes just so I can make them more enjoyable on tamer trails.
Whenever I watch this channel, I feel like a 35 year old kid who just learned to ride, listening to advice far out of my field of relevance. I'm sure this is helpful to many and I appreciate the effort. That said, I prefer to optimize my riding style to the terrain I'm flying over rather than modifying my bike. After all, the rider is the most high tech and most adaptable piece of machinery in the equation.
but when you get your bike and riding style in sync with your terrain, it is heaven!!!!
Great video! A slightly different variation for those in the xc/light trail is to go with heavier grippier tires and a light wheel set. I recently dropped 500g in wheel weight from the stock wheels and increased tire weight by 250g, getting a lighter overall setup but with more grip. I put the new tires on the old wheels first and could notice a massive difference in grip but also noticed the extra weight. Then got the lighter wheels set up and the bike is back to being a rocket ship but now with more grip!
I once did an XC race with a Ripmo and WON! XC wheels, tires, and cockpit. I even PRd a techy climb despite being 4lbs heavier. My Epic broke right before the race so I had to run what I had.
Exactly what i did…custom build wheels with a South Ind. XC rim (28mm id) on TrailMech XC hubs. Vittorias downcountry tire with a xc insert in the rear…lost 1200g. Great solution to me…but now in the wet i changed the tire to Onza Porcupines. Much better grip only 50g difference 👍
Doddy in his wheel house, no clickbait question sequence to mess up, just real world testing. good video.
Specialized Stumpjumper 140mm x 130mm with Elite Wheels pro 36.
Ground Control grid t7 front and fast trak t5 in the back.
Bike is 13kg and can handle 95% what Switzerland has to offer in this setup😁
Great experiment.
How about the XC wheels with a little more aggressive tire?
Personally would just take the trail setup and ride that everywhere. The added grip of more aggressive tyres wins any weight savings in my books.
I concur. I use either the WTB Trail Boss or Maxxis Ardent partnered with a rim with 30 mm inner width on my Ht XC MTB. Both are 27.5" x 2.25". I switch those two from time to time. Esp. now that it's monsoon season here at my end, I'd prefer all the more than any XC tyres.
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i use a dhf on front and some faster tyre on the back.
I have dissector fr 2.6 and recon 2.6 on rear ok so far
Agreed minion dhf up front, aggressor rear… never lets me down
It’s not just the weight savings. The XC tires have lower rolling resistance.
I switched to a “Minion SS” on the back of my trail bike a few weeks before a multi day bike packing trip, and it made a HUGE difference… With the DHRII I would definitely feel more tired.
Got myself same bike (Spectral 125) with lighter Pancho wheels and Vittoria Mezcal/Barzo combo. Now I can take this bike for longer rides (using it more like gravel etc) and just swap the wheels for DT Swiss 1900 with DHR tyres and hit the bike park next day with the same bike. Perfect combo for me, one bike , two wheel sets, lot of fun on different levels.
2.35 Meszcal-Barzo XC-Trail combo on carbon wheels, DREAM
Back when I was a young fella, I used to put big, heavy wheels and tires on to train with, then swap them for the the super light wheels and tires for comp day. It wasn't a perfect setup, but it did have a remarkable psychological difference on the day of the race.
Side note - You still had to train with the light tires to get used to them. A straight swap on race day was not ideal.
This may not work for a lot of folk, but it worked well for me.
I've got a very similar setup going on with two wheel sets for my Transition Smuggler (120mm of travel in the back with a 150mm fork). One wheelset is heavier duty DT-swiss wheels with enduro ready tires, while the other set is Mavic XC wheels with nice and light low rolling resistance tires. It has been a great way have one bike for a wide variety of activities from bike park laps to bikepacking journeys, while not spending a fortune.
Thanks for this, I'm planning on doing this with my aggressive hardtail to use for all day epic rides and bikepacking. It currently has spank vibrocore 359s and Vittoria Mazza trail casings.
Loved watching you shred it down that technical trail Doddy!
Doddy certainly has some moves! Tech trails are the best!
I had a go at this on my old 07 Giant Reign X0, xc wheels and racing Ralphs: super quick on the trail, but got very sketchy. Ended up with a semi slick specialized slaughter on the back and butcher on the front, worked a treat!
I just changed from dissector/minion II to rekon/rekon race setup on my spectral 125. Cant wait to test them out on the climbs and usual trails in my area. Great video as usual!
I have a Trance 29 with two wheel sets. One Maxxis trail setup, one Mezcal commute/gravel setup. Cheaper and more space efficient than having two bikes...
Great Video and love the idea of trying different things out to try and increase the versatility of a bike. Good one!
Thanks so much for the support, Walter! Changing your wheelset can often be a great way of saving money while feeling like you're on a completely different bike.
Been running carbon wheels that help offset the weight of double down casings and works great. Same set up for bike park laps or big trail days. Recently linked up two trail systems in my city on a 40 mile ride with about a 50/50 mix or road and trail and the set up was perfectly fine.
I recently had a hub body break on my rear tire during a ride. As a temporary fix, I put an XC wheel on and rode another hour and a half. I didn't notice enough to remember, so now I'm curious to try it again with both wheels.
My dream "do it all" bike would be the Kona Process Blake rode at Sea Otter. 👍
I love my 125 spectral! I also have a big enduro bike that’s great to smash stuff, but I’d rather cumbersome and only really fun on the most aggressive trails. It’s great to have the 125 to get rowdy on more regular trails. I also love it as a back country bike to do but 30 mile days out in the alpine on trails that are still pretty rough and techy. It’s a great bike to take into the alpine in the Rocky Mountains or cascades.
I'm surprised you didn't talk about rolling resistance, which there is a considerable difference in the two tires that you were running. There's a good chance that if you just switched the tires rather than the whole wheel system, you would have seen very similar results. Not in every way but probably in most.
I get where your coming from for sure and that would of been interesting as well however he wasn't trying to do just a tire test but rather a do it all bike , so one wheelset being aluminum and one set being carbon . Was more so about finding out if he felt as comfortable on the same bike with xc wheels as he did trail wheels as the goal was to find a quiver killer. And really that all comes down to personal preference. I find my quiver killer to be 140 front and rear with trail/ Enduro tires and adjustable frame flip chip !
He did when he mentioned early that they get up to speed very fast.
I first did this a couple of years ago but just didn’t have confidence in the XC tyres. I found a compromise to be best. I now run the XC wheels with fast running trail tyres (Hans Dampf front and Nobby Nic rear - both Speed Grip compound). They are over 2lb lighter than my trail/enduro wheels and feel like I’m cheating when I use them.
I thought about trying this after watching Doddy, but I looked up the specs on my tires and the Pirelli Scorpion trail tire I run on the rear recommends only running on a wider rim wheel. You haven't noticed any issues with that?
@@Gabe73C I’m running 2.35” Schwalbes on Hunt XC Race (24mm ID) and they seem fine.
Very interesting video Dody...I'll be looking at getting different tyres for when I go on long trail days to Dorset & Wiltshire but here in the Surrey hills sticking to more knobbles especially for winter.
This is extremely well timed because I've been looking to lighten my Cotic Rocket for a few longer rides this summer. Swapping the current tyres for the less aggressive ones that came on my girlfriend's Orange that are in the shed would drop 350g for no cost.
I’ve done this to my cross country bike, trek xcaliber. Put some wider bars on with a shorter stem, 1x sram nx and some schwalbe magic mary in the front and for now a conti mountain king in the back that I had laying arround. Result, more agile handling with a lot of grip
I hope you get to keep this one!!!
Been running Kenda Booster Pro SCT front/rear all spring and summer in eastern US and have been very pleased. Huge weight savings to the heavier casing Maxxis and Vittoria I had previously ran. Grip has been similar but I'm not riding in wet conditions all the time or pushing the bike in enduro or park atmospheres
Having now ridden mtn bikes since the 90’s I agree you are on to something. My daily rider is a perfect mix. It’s 12.4-12.8 kg all mtn 130 mm travel with XC wheels but not super aggressive tires. Comfort for all day riding but light as well. Oh and it’s an XL. It’s not as agile or spritely as my XC bike but a lot more fun!
"According to the hype, every new mountain bike is going to be lighter and stronger"
Sponsored by Canyon, who made the shorter travel Spectral heavier than the full travel one
Well spotted!
@Andrew Dodd except Canyon bikes is literally listed as a channel sponsor mate 😂
Except it's not heavier.
Doddy is 6 4. That bike is MASSIVE 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
I run Continental Cross King ProTection BlackChili 29x2.3 on my trail Marin Rift Zone 2 and I love it so far.
I have been swapping out my knobbies for a gravel bike tire on my hard tail for years if you want to grind pavement and mellow trails. Don't have enough space for multiple bikes, with a second set of tires I can dual purpose my one bike.
I’ve done exactly this for a few years now. Run XC wheels and tyres for my local fairly tame trails on my Giant Trance 29, and change to the trail wheel and tyre set up for when I ride away on more challenging terrain. The trail wheel set up does get another use though - I also have an eMTB which is set up with gravity based wheels and tyres, but if I want to do a more XC loop on it, I’ll pop the trail wheels from my Trance onto it, which makes it a much more lively ride.
How much would an extra pair of decent wheels set cost anyway?
Ebay here I come!!
I just put trail/enduro tires on my XC bike, actually has been alright. The main problem I was having was traction, the geo and travel work well for Southern California, pivot mach4 sl with onza ibex. Would like to see your interpretation of this sometime.
More of a Spork than a Swiss Army knife..? Great video!
I'm very overbiked for the american midwest (64 head angle, 140mm rear travel) so when I'm riding more mellow trails I use a fast rolling Rekon rear and put the DHR2 that's usually in the rear, up on the front. Assegai is just too slow unless you truly need the grip.
Sweet, I have to try only xc tires option. I am going for bike team building at job, 70 km on Nukeproof mega alloy😂 I am often doing 40 km on High grip WTBs, so I pray for distance boooost 🤓
Have done the same recently on my Ripley, ups are fast as hell, downs are a riot. You definitely feel less in control on the XC set up, but it has its merits. I did this for a XC race, and took 3rd. I managed to have the top times for just about all the downhill segments that day, and fairly quick times for the uphill segments as well. The more aggressive geo still allows you to push the limit, the tires just aren’t going to save you when you make a critical mistake. Going to use. Less aggressive trail tire now and see if I can split the difference.
Love my Ripmo as an all day trail bike , probably wouldn't want to race xc on it though
Love this idea! I'm custom building a "downcountry" style bike this winter to see if I can come up with a "do-it-all" kind of bike. I want a very light and capable climbing bike that can also descend 80-90% of my local trails without issue. The bike will be a size XL Santa Cruz Tallboy CC MY22 (140mm/120mm travel) that'll come in at 28.3lbs. It'll have carbon 30mm internal width wheels with Maxxis Forekaster 29x2.4WT 3C Maxx Terra tires. For better grip and puncture resistance on rougher terrain I can swap the tires to something heavier like Minion DHR II's at a 180 gram penalty (both F&R). This could be a "do it all" kind of bike. We shall see. At least it will be great for climbing at that weight. I also have an enduro bike with 160/150 travel that weighs in at 33lbs (fully loaded with tools/CO2/spare tube) but its a slog when climbing. Excited to see how this new build works out.
I swear you know what I'm thinking with these videos.
I run an Ibis Ripley AF with Maxxis Rekon/Rekon Race and found it quite entertaining. I still ride all the gnarly trails here in SoCal, just a bit more terrifying with the lack of traction. But once they wear out I'm going back to my DHR2/Aggressor
I bought a scott spark XC RC and fitted a riser bar, dropper post, and 2.35 tires. perfect combo for the Netherlands.
I believe the highest point in the Netherlands is like what, 300 meters (1000 feet)? If you ride with one piston break here in Switzerland from 3200 (10498 feet) to 600 meters (2000 feet) down it is like a space shuttle falling to earth and burning up :D
But the Scott Spark 2022 are *amazing* I myself have a older Genius, Ransom from 2020 and the new 2022 SCOTT SPARK 910 BIKE and those bikes are unbelievable.
I have a Fezzari Delano Peak, and it is THE quiver killer
This is a super interesting comparison. Thanks for making this video. We see parts and bikes grouped together all the time in comparos, but rarely things mixed up in this way.
I ride an XC bike and I’ve wondered whether I should get a trail bike for the additional travel. This suggests I would actually enjoy a trail bike with XC wheels and tires.
Or just put burlier tires on your XC bike.
@@MillerMedeiros it's positively worth trying, yes. But I don't think it's likely to feel the same as a longer-travel bike on fast-rolling tires.
We need Doddy to flip the script and put the trail wheels on the XC bike. :)
I have a Marin Rift zone, That I put a 140mm fox 34 on and Maxxis icon tyres. So much the same bike 125mm back 140mm front and xc tyres. Works great! I even use it on enduro trails 👍
Been there, done that.. Until it got muddy, and my Maxxis Ikon went "slick".. 😆
On dry conditions, on the other hand, it's really fun but still a compromise..
@@giorgoszamanis6654 exactly my experience. I swap to michelin wild enduro when it gets muddy. And if I was only using a lift. I would use the enduro tyres also
Fill the tires with helium ? LoL but actually curious too. Thanks for sharing. Enjoy the ride
Been thinking about that for a long time,
Zerode Katipo 140mm rear 150 front. The do it all bike here in Rotorua NZ 👌👌
We run Maxxis Agressor and DHR with exo casing and hit all kinds of sharp jagged rocks every ride. Never had an issue though we always make sure pressure is on point. (There was a minor puncture on some sharp lava rock one time but the sealant patched it. Our friends tire non Maxxis got slashed badly.)
I've gone the other way, got a 2018 Rocky Mountain Element, put on some Hunt Trail Wide V2 wheels and Nobby Nics 2.35 in Addix SpeedGrip compound. The total weight of the bike is around 13.7 kg. It's great for everything in Northern Croatia, tried it out on an Enduro trail and also run some XC Marathon races.
Mate can you wirte some review on hunt trail v2? I intend to buy them but i can not decide between dt swiss xm1700 and hunt trail wide v2. Any sugestions?i ride trail hardtail orbea laufey 2021 h30
14,5kg weights my Ibis Ripmo carbon enduro bike with 160mm/147mm on Fox X2 and Fox36 with 2,6 Magic Marry and 2,5 Assegai on alloy rims :D
Why not try the lighter wheels with a lightweight rear tyre, and more of a trail front tyre? More front end grip, less overall mass and middle for diddle slightly better rolling? The back might skitter more but the front would be better at staying on course. Not better necessarily but perhaps a Jack of slightly more trades?
That's a brilliant shout! That may look interesting with a rear XC tyre. 😅
I found with softer long travel I could run lighter wheels and tires in XC as it was easier on the equipment.
Ended up riding like a Baja truck, just super fast and smooth over the bumps
Have a hard tail bike with fast rolling conti Xc tyres which I go long rides on but a short technical section with climbs, roots and bumps in only in a few spots is it a handful. Tried a bike similar to the one you used with maxxis trail tyres on it had great grip but apart from a bumpy downhill sectio was not faster amazed at extra grip but most of time don’t need it just slugging against the extra inertia and rolling resistance.
Comparing a full DH or enduro wheel and tyre set up on the same bike would be interesting.
Interested to see you you would notice a difference with the CC wheels using trail tires, vs just your trail wheels.
I have a light weight light trail/XC set of carbon wheels for general trail riding with faster lighter tires on my 140/150 trail bike then a set of AM wheels and tires for when I ride it DH, rougher stuff, or muddy days. Made it more do it all, but still have a 120 130bike with a bit steeper head angle which is far more fun of the 80% of the trails around me being flatter trails in Ohio.
Nobody seems to remember the Kona Coiler, probably my favourite bike ever. Not the Coil Air, the Coiler. Tough, great handling and not a bad climber
Never had any problems with that. Riding my Canyon Strive with XM1501 rims. No Problems even at the bikepark. And climbes much better than the e1900.Trail tires on XC rims 👍
would love to know where this was filmed, looks good
love the ideas could you do some more dh content please 😁
Thanks, Darcy! We'd love to do some DH content like this!
I'd split the difference and use the lighter wheels but get somewhat grippier tires like knobby nics or maxxis Forekasters.
After experimenting with a gravel bike for a couple of years i've decided that my Full-Suss Trail bike with an XC wheel set would be the best gravel bike, just trying to decide on which tyres (2.1 - 2.2 ish) would roll well on tarmac and still have enough tread to get me through some singletrack in the woods!
Continental race kings are the fastest XC tires on tarmac. If you're looking for a file tread tire, you have the speed king.
I have a 100/100mm travel XC bike with 700x43 Gravel tires. Very fast on pavement and gravel while still being capable on singletrack and so comfortable.
@@diviscadilek1764 make sure you get the " protection" carcas
I'm wondering how a Marin Team hard tail would handle that? I'd like it with a 27.5 wheel.
My soon to be Atherton AM. 130 will have Fox factory 140 forks paired with 130 rear suspension. A Lightweight wheel set with Vittoriia 2.4 Down Country tyres. I'm hoping that it will be good at the traditional xc and trail 'light' type riding that I enjoy. At a later date I may try a set of lighter tyres, say the Continental Cross King 2.3 protect....All in an attempt to enjoy a really nice riding do it all off road bike.
Great video! What's the frame size of the Spectral you are riding?
I also ride my trail bike with xc tires, but with more grip. Rocket Ron Speedgrip. Greetings from The Netherlands!
I ride around a Commencal Meta 21 AM. For our Dutch Singletracks I have progressively grotten lighter faster tyres. I was smashing my own best times from my earlier hardtail. I find it to really be the one bike solution. Yess, the first few rides you think you are going to die, however you get used to the lack of grip and adjust your riding style likewise.
One bike solution for Dutch trails maybe, not so much everywhere else.
@@dalelakusta8143 it is, it's an Enduro bike, so if you can rock the cross country trails with the bike and switch wheels when you need ample grip or tougher tyres, you can. That's kind of the point of the video isnt it.
Your Mazza are the tires I want, 29x2.4, out of stock everywhere it seems!
So, will the other half of this experiment be an all day-er with Rich Payn?!?! I’d love to see it because I can only afford one bike and probably a second set of rims and tires to use different scenarios. If I bought two bikes I’d be sleeping on the couch for a long time. Lol thanks Doddy!❤
I think its just how your riding. But im not there and i dont have the equipment readily at my dispo ......this is the best i can get i cant wait for the first foot of snow here in newyork i like to do donuts with the bike. I suggest everyone find snow and just go in a circle and experiment giving it all you got while turning in can be scary bit but thats where the snow helps
I ride carbon wheels with Maxxis Icon tires on my trail bike with no issues. Get over the bars and push the tires into the corners. You were skidding and putting on a show for the camera. Still an GMBN Tech fan.
Trail bikes are station wagons of mtb.
Hey Doddy, why don't you try front trail wheel and XC rear wheel? I think it will be great idea.
I'm thinking of doing the same thing with my Whyte S120 C RS 29er, with 120 mm travel front and back..
I've had enough changing back and forth from XC to trail tires.. XC tires make me "lightning fast" on certain segments, but when I hit gnarly trails.. along with traction, there goes my confidence!
How much would an extra pair of decent wheels set cost anyway?
For when a review of the spectral 125?
As a 6'5" rider, I'd love to see this too - particularly the aluminium version!
I'm riding the new RM Element with narrow(ish) e13 carbon trail wheels, with the new 2.3 Ground Controls. Might switch to burlier tires for winter but for summer, perfect for 90% of what I ride.
Ground Controls are underrated
@@JoshTaylor The newest GC are so good!
Would the normal spectral with 160/150 travel be considered a mix between trail and enduro?
I would love to see DH wheels on a trail bike, also I know they're not partially big brand name but would the show consider doing a review on the voodoo bizango pro, only 950 and seems a decent bit of kit for the price. More weight than normal but it's a budget friendly bike for.most wanting to get into trail bikes
DH wheels on a trail bike sounds like a cool idea! Thanks for the suggestion! 🙌
Running a S-Work Stumpjumper LT (2020) with
- Fox 36 150mm
- Fox DPX2 140mm
- Maxxis Ikon 2.20 back
- Maxxis Ardent 2.25 front
for total at 13,1kg and it's the best versatile setup I have. No need for multiple bikes.
XC tyres
And the Neuron CF. What do you think of it?
"pretty heavy like me, 92-93kg"... Me: whimpers in 108-110kg range
I have a 2021 epic evo with trail tyres. Same idea, just the other way around.
Thats a neat idea, why not a worn down set of off road light weight knobby tires.
Less chsnces of a puncture, deflate for good traction, there light weight since alot of tread is missing, you can air them up too roll the hard pack, doesn't matter if you burn the knobbs off since there worn out tires, and they will offer better traction then gravel tires even though there worn out. You roll just as fast with worn out knobby tires at max pressure as new gravel tires and retain alot more traction on wet terrain with worn out knobby tires/ aired down when off roading. A pile of weight savings with wron out light weight knobby tires as well. Still moderately good traction too. Just throwing out ideas. Ain't no way id run gravel/ cross country tires on my bike. To slick in our area. Don from Western Canada 🇨🇦
I keep trying to find a good value down country bike, but now I am leaning towards some lighter wheels/tires for the enduro rig. I figured out that I need that geo to ride the way I want to ride, and I need my dh brakes.
Stop thinking. Just ride.
You said, that there’s something special and unique about the Spectral 125. Funny you should say that, as the Spectral 125 is basically just a carbon copy of the Norco Optic that has been out since 2019.
You soooo should get Cal to hit you up with a Following..., with piggy back upgrade. Less than 30lb too
Add some Turbine R wheels (enduro rated but about 1750g the pair, 29er...lighter than many carbon & xc wheels)
I know what you mean, i, find that they are not totally ungrippy more skiddish if that makes any sense ? however i wouldn't ride of road in the winter with xc tyres
What about putting the trail tires on carbon wheels?
What if the slick XC wheels were used with some medium-weight tires? I am seriously considering getting a 29" DT Swiss 350 carbon rear wheel for my 140/130 carbon Stumpjumper.
I got DT Swiss EX471 on my Norco Fluid with the Barzo trail tyres, I would rather have stronger wheels with lighter tyres (around 750 grams) because your wheels take a beating on mountain bikes.
I run a trail/enduro bike which is my 2018 Norco Sight with 160mm upfront and 140mm out back then I run 2.25 tyres for XC and 2.4 front and 2.3 rear for enduro. Going from a 2012 Silverback full carbon xc hardtail to my Norco I did a 35km XC race where I smashed my time by 15 mins from the time I did the previous year on the Silverback XC bike.
How do you find this? I'm thinking of doing the same, I have a magic Mary and DHR on my trail bike at the minute, but some 2.25 nobby nics I could throw on for xc
@@williambrazil3760 I found the 2.25 for xc were great, they had less weight to push around but had plenty of grip for xc courses and single tracks.
@@kimondavis2922 great, thank you 👍
What about lighter rims, heavier tires?
A lot of peope run a xc tire in the back and a trail tire in the front. That should make it a compromise between both of these. Right?
SB130. Just changing the tyres on it to suit what you’re riding gets me riding pretty much anything
I actually had a sneaky test ride on a Spectral 125 a month or so back and I found it to be way too hooking. I'd probably kill myself riding way faster than my abilities and old man reflexes allow. I was riding it almost at PR speeds with suspension settings and cockpit not set to me. I am sure with a lighter wheelset it would rip.