Well I did it on my 64 falcon, I made the change to dual bowl, I did replace all of the hoses and steel lines along with the wheel cylinders ,brake shoes and all of the adjusters and springs! Lines were breeze, just had to modify them slightly. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for information and video Ten-Nine-Four! I have a 1959 Galaxie that has power brakes but uses a four bolt single manual master cly. Have been looking to upgrade for years. Ordered the dual drum master and after compairing it to the old single one, I am now confident that it will be a simple and inexpensive safety upgrade.
Getting ready to do this on my 63 Ford Fairlane, just concerned about the length of rod matching depth of new MC and 😂 will be looking to make adjustment on it.
Robert, all I had t do was swap the new MC brake push rod and use the original (and shorter) in its place. have had zero problems since I put the dual bowl MC in my car. good luck!
Thank you for this informative & thorough video. Do you know if the Ford Falcon & Ford Thunderbird are comparable? I have a 1963 Ford Thunderbird & I want to upgrade from a single to a dual brake master cylinder set up but am having a hard time finding a dual brake master cylinder for a 63 T Bird. I have drum brakes btw. All information is appreciated. Thanks!
Just lost brakes in my 63 Falcon yesterday getting off the highway. Single circuit meant I lost all brakes. I had been thinking of upgrading to a dual pot master recently... all of the parts should be here tomorrow. Could have ended much worse than getting towed home.
Same thing happened to me w/ the Mrs in the car and a busy intersection in front of us. Needless the say,I was freaked out and my wife said she wouldn’t ride in the car again until I fixed it. I fixed in shortly thereafter.
if your talking about using a proportioning valve, it was not required for this job. If you have disk brakes on the front then that may be a different story.
Fantastic video. Question though. I plan on converting the front drums on my 63 to disc as well. You mentioned that the master cylinder is from a 67 mustang non disc. Will it still work or do I just buy the 67 with front disc master cylinder? Thanks
Thanks for watching and I hope the video was able to help you. From my research on this project, the disc brake and non-disk brake MCs are different and are not interchangeable. I would suggest you stick with a MC that is designed for disk brakes if that is what you'll eventually be installing in your ride. good luck and keep us posted!
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I have 63 Comet and want to do the same. Im on the fence about doing a complete front disk conversion and knowing that I would need a different MC for that. Is there any reason why you did not do a front disc conversion instead because if you change your mind you would need to start all over again with a different MC? Thank you.
@@galaxyflyer1 although it is much more safe, I didn’t do the conversion because I wanted to keep the car as stock as possible. I convinced myself converting just the MC was far less intrusive to the car than changing most of the front suspension. That said, if I ever have the car to my kids/grand kids I would probably do the conversion like you.
Totally agree. The parts were inexpensive… more importantly the peace of mind with regard to safety is the most important benefit. …..plus the wife will ride in the car again!!
Both reducer fittings are brass and no sealant is required......at least I've never used any. I just tighten them till very snug.....if it drips, tighten it another 1/6th turn.
I can't honestly say that I noticed any improvement in the drum brakes' ability to slow / stop the car......Its a 170 six so it can't go all that fast. The reason I changed to a dual bowl MC is because I had a rear brake malfunction and subsequently lost all brake ability.......on a downward hill and approaching a major intersection. I was fortunate I was able to glide through the intersection w/o injure/damage. My wife was in the car and said she will never ride with me again until I upgrade the brake system to a dual bowl set up.
I was surprised to hear that the front brake lines are routed into the rear port on the new master cylinder. I would have thought it would have been the front port. Is this because the front brakes need to apply first?
That's a great question and to be honest, I don't know the answer. it may be because one reservoir is larger than the other or as you said, the rear reservoir pushes fluid first.......however, with the fluid's incompressibility, I don't know if that would matter. Maybe someone smarter than I can elaborate. thanks for the comment.
@@10947792 I have a 64 falcon in the shop right now & another shop installed a dual master with the front brakes off the front port and rear brakes off the rear port as "saffron" mentioned. we are having issues with it holding the front brakes on tho. I am going to swap the lines and see if it changes. how did you decide to run the lines (rear port to front) (front port to rear ) ? any info would help to understand this better. Is there possibly a check valve to hold some residual pressure on?
@@runitmj I used an article from the September 2006 Falcon National News letter. I use their reference library as one of my go to sources for info and repair data. it clearly links the front brakes and the rear MC brake line port. if you're comfortable with this, send me your contact info and I'll forward a copy of the article to you.
Anyone have a part number for a the master cylinder? Looking on rock auto and local auto parts stores and having a hard time ensuring the masters I’m looking at are manual drum brakes
Just saw your question. I don't recall the part number however you should be able to call Auto Zone (where I got it from) and tell them you want a dual master cylinder for a '67 Mustang. MC must be for a non-Power steering, non power brakes Mustang. you could probably look that up on Rock Auto too.
O'reilly auto parts BrakeBest NMC11390 was about $60. You probably already got one but maybe someone else looking at the comments might need it. @@10947792
Hi I’m about to put a dual master cylinder on my 64 falcon but I am having a problem getting the tee fitting that you install the brake switch too, can you please tell me where you got it because napa in Canada does not carry it thank you.
On the '64 Falcon, isn't the brake light switch on the brake pedal itself?? the reason i ask is that my friend as a '63 Falcon but when he installed the dual bowl master cylinder he changed his brake light switch and moved off the master cylinder to the brake pedal which he told me was used on the '64 Falcon.
The part is manufactured by Gates. Google search on part number G60696-0303...... brass female inverted branch tee to female pipe. $7.30 US from toolsid.com
ChickenLegMan......great handle!! I bought the MC at Advance Auto. try one of these two numbers...... 101378 or E 5350433. those are the numbers reflected on the receipt. Price was $22.99 plus the core charge. Good luck!!
I don't recall off the top of my head, however I'm sure you can google the part numbers to get the size of each reducers. the part numbers are: G49503-0303 (this is the one closer to the radiator) and the other part number is G 49505-0503 (closer to the firewall)
NM, unfortunately I do not have a list of the part numbers readily available. You should be able to re-watch the video and pause it so you can write down the individual parts numbers. Its been a while since I made this video, but I believe i included the part number for every part I added or included in this project. good luck and let us know how it turned out for you!
After watching several times, have gotten all part numbers, as soon as my new lines come in the project will be done. My falcon is a 1964 , it was parked outside on grass, the moisture wasn't kind and rear lines suffered so replacing front to back and all 4 wheel cylinders. Thanks for the video , I will document the parts numbers for future reference.
thanks for the comment. I was following the steps a member of the Falcon Club of America published and didn't want to vary them. I would say the it was probably done as a bench bleed vice on the car because the space is limited and the potential to splash brake fluid on the paint is great. Otherwise your idea would certainly work as well. cheers and ROCK on!!
Well I did it on my 64 falcon, I made the change to dual bowl, I did replace all of the hoses and steel lines along with the wheel cylinders ,brake shoes and all of the adjusters and springs! Lines were breeze, just had to modify them slightly. Thanks for the video.
Glad to have helped. the dual bowl
MC will give you more piece of mind.
Fantastic Video ! easy to understand steps and showing all the part numbers is an added bonus
@@chriskrull-tl7mc glad to have helped. Good luck on your project!!
Thanks for information and video Ten-Nine-Four! I have a 1959 Galaxie that has power brakes but uses a four bolt single manual master cly. Have been looking to upgrade for years. Ordered the dual drum master and after compairing it to the old single one, I am now confident that it will be a simple and inexpensive safety upgrade.
Excellent video and explanation. Good prep for my single to dual conversion on a 1960 full size Ford. Thank you!
Glad it helped!
Exactly what I wanna do to my wife’s ‘62 falcon. Gotta make it safe and easy for her to drive. Just waiting on my Holley sniper 1100!
Getting ready to do this on my 63 Ford Fairlane, just concerned about the length of rod matching depth of new MC and 😂 will be looking to make adjustment on it.
Robert, all I had t do was swap the new MC brake push rod and use the original (and shorter) in its place. have had zero problems since I put the dual bowl MC in my car. good luck!
Nice video and well explained, thanks
Thanks ScrapplePig. BTW, great go-by name!!
Thank you for this informative & thorough video. Do you know if the Ford Falcon & Ford Thunderbird are comparable? I have a 1963 Ford Thunderbird & I want to upgrade from a single to a dual brake master cylinder set up but am having a hard time finding a dual brake master cylinder for a 63 T Bird. I have drum brakes btw. All information is appreciated. Thanks!
Just lost brakes in my 63 Falcon yesterday getting off the highway. Single circuit meant I lost all brakes. I had been thinking of upgrading to a dual pot master recently... all of the parts should be here tomorrow. Could have ended much worse than getting towed home.
Same thing happened to me w/ the Mrs in the car and a busy intersection in front of us. Needless the say,I was freaked out and my wife said she wouldn’t ride in the car again until I fixed it. I fixed in shortly thereafter.
I am wanting to do this swap on my 63 Galaxie 500. Are there any special adjustments that need to be made to keep the front and rear brakes in sync?
if your talking about using a proportioning valve, it was not required for this job. If you have disk brakes on the front then that may be a different story.
Fantastic video. Question though. I plan on converting the front drums on my 63 to disc as well. You mentioned that the master cylinder is from a 67 mustang non disc. Will it still work or do I just buy the 67 with front disc master cylinder? Thanks
Thanks for watching and I hope the video was able to help you. From my research on this project, the disc brake and non-disk brake MCs are different and are not interchangeable. I would suggest you stick with a MC that is designed for disk brakes if that is what you'll eventually be installing in your ride. good luck and keep us posted!
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I have 63 Comet and want to do the same. Im on the fence about doing a complete front disk conversion and knowing that I would need a different MC for that. Is there any reason why you did not do a front disc conversion instead because if you change your mind you would need to start all over again with a different MC?
Thank you.
@@galaxyflyer1 although it is much more safe, I didn’t do the conversion because I wanted to keep the car as stock as possible. I convinced myself converting just the MC was far less intrusive to the car than changing most of the front suspension. That said, if I ever have the car to my kids/grand kids I would probably do the conversion like you.
I'm doing the same mod on a 49 F1. I popped a rear brake hose and lost all brakes last month. Dual circuit master cylinders are cheap insurance.
Totally agree. The parts were inexpensive… more importantly the peace of mind with regard to safety is the most important benefit. …..plus the wife will ride in the car again!!
how did you seal the pipe thread on the brake switch?
Both reducer fittings are brass and no sealant is required......at least I've never used any. I just tighten them till very snug.....if it drips, tighten it another 1/6th turn.
How much improvement in brake performance was gained with the 4 wheel drums in comparison to the original MC?
I can't honestly say that I noticed any improvement in the drum brakes' ability to slow / stop the car......Its a 170 six so it can't go all that fast. The reason I changed to a dual bowl MC is because I had a rear brake malfunction and subsequently lost all brake ability.......on a downward hill and approaching a major intersection. I was fortunate I was able to glide through the intersection w/o injure/damage. My wife was in the car and said she will never ride with me again until I upgrade the brake system to a dual bowl set up.
@@10947792 so glad you both made it safe through that! 👍💯
I was surprised to hear that the front brake lines are routed into the rear port on the new master cylinder. I would have thought it would have been the front port. Is this because the front brakes need to apply first?
That's a great question and to be honest, I don't know the answer. it may be because one reservoir is larger than the other or as you said, the rear reservoir pushes fluid first.......however, with the fluid's incompressibility, I don't know if that would matter. Maybe someone smarter than I can elaborate. thanks for the comment.
@@10947792 I have a 64 falcon in the shop right now & another shop installed a dual master with the front brakes off the front port and rear brakes off the rear port as "saffron" mentioned. we are having issues with it holding the front brakes on tho. I am going to swap the lines and see if it changes.
how did you decide to run the lines (rear port to front) (front port to rear ) ? any info would help to understand this better. Is there possibly a check valve to hold some residual pressure on?
@@runitmj I used an article from the September 2006 Falcon National News letter. I use their reference library as one of my go to sources for info and repair data. it clearly links the front brakes and the rear MC brake line port. if you're comfortable with this, send me your contact info and I'll forward a copy of the article to you.
Anyone have a part number for a the master cylinder? Looking on rock auto and local auto parts stores and having a hard time ensuring the masters I’m looking at are manual drum brakes
Just saw your question. I don't recall the part number however you should be able to call Auto Zone (where I got it from) and tell them you want a dual master cylinder for a '67 Mustang. MC must be for a non-Power steering, non power brakes Mustang. you could probably look that up on Rock Auto too.
O'reilly auto parts BrakeBest NMC11390 was about $60. You probably already got one but maybe someone else looking at the comments might need it. @@10947792
Hi I’m about to put a dual master cylinder on my 64 falcon but I am having a problem getting the tee fitting that you install the brake switch too, can you please tell me where you got it because napa in Canada does not carry it thank you.
On the '64 Falcon, isn't the brake light switch on the brake pedal itself?? the reason i ask is that my friend as a '63 Falcon but when he installed the dual bowl master cylinder he changed his brake light switch and moved off the master cylinder to the brake pedal which he told me was used on the '64 Falcon.
No mine is in the master cylinder
@@deedeedeedee5829 Got it. I will look for the part number and send it to you. You should be able to look it up on line.
@@10947792 thank you
The part is manufactured by Gates. Google search on part number G60696-0303...... brass female inverted branch tee to female pipe. $7.30 US from toolsid.com
Do you have a part number for that master cylinder?
ChickenLegMan......great handle!! I bought the MC at Advance Auto. try one of these two numbers...... 101378 or E 5350433. those are the numbers reflected on the receipt. Price was $22.99 plus the core charge. Good luck!!
@@10947792 thank you!
Do you happen to have the size of the reducers?
I don't recall off the top of my head, however I'm sure you can google the part numbers to get the size of each reducers. the part numbers are: G49503-0303 (this is the one closer to the radiator) and the other part number is G 49505-0503 (closer to the firewall)
#503-0303 -- 9/16" - 18 pitch
# 505-0503 1/2" - 20 pitch
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@@10947792 thank you I appreciate the info 🙏🏽
Watches video,but see a couple of part numbers ,do you have a list you can send me.
NM, unfortunately I do not have a list of the part numbers readily available. You should be able to re-watch the video and pause it so you can write down the individual parts numbers. Its been a while since I made this video, but I believe i included the part number for every part I added or included in this project. good luck and let us know how it turned out for you!
After watching several times, have gotten all part numbers, as soon as my new lines come in the project will be done. My falcon is a 1964 , it was parked outside on grass, the moisture wasn't kind and rear lines suffered so replacing front to back and all 4 wheel cylinders. Thanks for the video , I will document the parts numbers for future reference.
I think I would have piped it in first and then bled to master cylinder but I know I'd be listening to the same Floyd stones Black Sabbath
thanks for the comment. I was following the steps a member of the Falcon Club of America published and didn't want to vary them. I would say the it was probably done as a bench bleed vice on the car because the space is limited and the potential to splash brake fluid on the paint is great. Otherwise your idea would certainly work as well. cheers and ROCK on!!
get rid of the music...geeezzz