Catalan independence effort: What will happen next?
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- čas přidán 26. 10. 2017
- Huge crowds have been celebrating on the streets of Barcelona, as the Catalan parliament voted to establish an "independent and sovereign state" - a declaration met with an immediate response from Spain: direct rule. And as for Europe, a big no too, as the head of the EU parliament declared no-one in the bloc would recognise Catalan independence.
How did the crisis reach the point where Catalan leaders declared they had "no other option" but to push ahead with independence. Catalonia is one of the richest regions in Spain and already has plenty of autonomy.
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So "Downing Street will not recognise Catalonia Independence"!! no surprise there eh? just like they refuse to honour a democratically elected BREXIT!!
Look, Catalonia is not my argument (not my fight), but what I did witness was abhorrent Police brutality at those polling stations followed by a Statement by the Spanish PM saying what a great job they did! - now that is very worrying.
JustBanter "..democratically elected BREXIT"?? The entire electorate were not registered to vote. Of those who were registered, only 75% voted. Of those voted, it was pretty much half and half with 52% voting to leave (regardless of those that regretted it the next day) and 48% voted to stay. So basically, just over a third of registered voters or significantly less than a third of eligible voters voted to leave. Which is why the UK is leaving our biggest trading partner. And why this unprepared government is preparing to crash out of the EU before negotiations have even started putting small and large businesses at risk, millions of jobs at risk and tearing families and marriages apart. A 'No Deal' that wasn't an option on the ballot paper. But we, meaning about a third or significantly less than a third of the eligible population, "democratically" "elected" for the entire country to exit the EU?
Riots maybe if Spain acts in the wrong way........ Maybe other places will declare independence.
Spain already is acting in the wrong way during the referendum the police beat up the catalonian people
Yes Venice is next.
Would it be ok for London to seek independence from the rest of the UK or Northern Italy to break away from the South of Italy? Difficult economic questions?
@O G Other places for example Scotland have been granted a legal vote on independence, the same with the last newest country South Sudan. Scotland voted no, South Sudan voted yes. The Spanish should have done everything they could to give Catalonia a legal right to vote on the matter.
True
I hope catalan gets its freedom
Arnolf Hilter it's not going to happen cuz of FC Barcelona wants to play in Spain it's it dose get their freedom that means no El Clasico and Fc Barcalona will likely kick out of la liga for sure and messi will probably want to leave fc Barcalona
long live catalania ! you will be a great nation on your own !
Interesting that the old woman at 1:34 on the question about being ready to be arrested, responds with "WE ARE" instead of "I AM".
Nice observation
Clearly she is speaking for herself and her group of 'rebel mayors'.
Because we all catalans are more than ready to get arrested or beat up by the police, to defend our freedom... republic of catalunya ||*||
Mireia Salinas
All catalans? Do you asked to the 65% of the catalans that haven't voted in the fakerendum if they agreed with this statement or it's just your assumption they will?
Stefano Leso I'm from catalunya my friend and I can tell u the vast majority of Catalans do want the independence.. And the referendum for us Catalans was legal and we spoke and the yes won soooo.... we are free of the corruption of Spain..
I'm American. So if we can break away from Britain then I'm pretty sure Catalonia can break away from Spain
America broken away from Britain though a bloody war, if that’s what you want for the Catalonians...
Oh appears channel 4 has mentioned it , good stuff channel 4!
Long Live the Catalan Republic.UK Must Support. We voted for independence from EU overlords. Must support the Catalan Nation. Recognise and ally. Self determination and democracy. Now or never.
Spain is a democratic country. If it wasn't wouldn't the other autonomies be wanting their independence too? Catalonia is a state of Spain just like Florida is a state of the United States. It just has a different name in Spain it's called an autonomous region because it has it's own autonomous government just like the states do.
Love from Tamil Nadu - India!
I recognise Catalonia as an independent Nation!
Congratulations Catalonia!
11:33 - Julia Strubell 'Catalan activist'. Yeah, of course, she's Michael Strubell's (Michael Strubell was interviewed by C4 on 27th October for their evening news) daughter, co-founder of ANC (Catalan National Assembly), who organised the demonstrations at the end of September, the same ANC that sponsors the Diada marches. Presumably Channel4 knew who they were bringing into the studio? And then the other woman says that pro-independence movement continually gather around 2 million people in the streets, but the pro-union can't get above 200,000; somebody teach this compulsive liar how to count.
Congratulations from Scotland to Catalonia we also shall be Independent in a few short years. God bless Catalonia and God bless Caledonia (Scotland)
I'm just here wondering why is he shaking so much
He has been reporting all day, perhaps he's tired, has been running around, etc... all sorts of possibilities. He does have a nice clear voice and thats important. A.,
lol
Cold turkey?
His microphone isn't a microphone. And he isn't shaking. He's holding a small furry animal and trying very hard not to let it get away.
He is against independence but he sees there is no step back?
their peace comes as passive aggressive
The Basque country is next ? I wonder .
please stop wondering or I am going to have to send in the police.
If the Zionist have there way. Entire Spain is fucked like Syria. They can make 50x more profit in a war in Spain than Syria
I think if people really want to be independent they should have that right, but it would be a shame to have a big country like Spain break up and split into many small and rather insignificant states. The word for that is balkanisation (no offense meant). In my opinion you would lose more than you'd win.
Basque country? fuck no and if they are i guess we will need to straighten them out Basque do have royalty and if the people get out of line they'll need to be put back in their place fuck Democracy Royalty was the only way
Perhaps Spaniards need to learn from Canadian referendums for Quebec independence.
Go ahead catalonians. We are with you. Chowdhury Ahshanul Haider Dhaka-Bangladesh
Spain is not a nation but an artificial empire created in the 17th. And now, it's the beginning of the end of that Castillian empire in the Peninsula. We the Portuguese have often made the experience of that that reckless imperial attitude.
Like a lot other countries that were created in 10th-19th century(especially european) ? and a lot of them are united today without any problem! and there are more artificially created states that still function today like belgium or united italy germany etc.
Quim Torra is the new Catalan independentist leader and new President of the Autonomic Region of Catalonia, elected not by the people, but by Carles Puigdemont, who is in Germany, pending to be extradited to Spain for orchestrating a coup d'etat whereby he, Puigdemont, unilaterally, decided to declare the region of Catalonia an independent republic, even when he was not backed by a majority. Independentists are not a majority within Catalonia itself. They are 47%, opposed by 53% that want to stay as a part of Spain. The last election was won by Ciudadanos, a unitarian party, but an electoral law that gives the rural votes more validity than those cast in cities, gave independentists a parliamentary majority, so they are now barely governing in coalition with simple majority of one vote. And yet when they speak internationally they claim to do so on behalf of all Catalans. This is far from true. Independentists are a minority within Catalonia.
There is a big controversy and as many opinions as Spanish citizens, but I have taken the time to translate some of Quim Torra's tweets and press articles so that everyone can see the kind of person he is and what he stands for. You can check these tweets and articles in the Spanish press and Media. They are public:
"The non independentist Catalans are beasts, scavengers, hyenas, animals with the shape of humans that absorb hatred. A perturbed pestilent hatred that stinks like a moldy denture, for the Catalan language. There is something Freudian in these beasts, like a glitch in their ADN chain. They walk among us, impermeable to any event that represents Catalanism".
"The Spanish and the French share the eagerness to annihilate the nations that barely survive in their territories"
"All what Spanish people are capable of is ravaging".
"We Catalans vote and the Spanish come to check us out. Get away from here! Leave us alone!"
"The fascism of the Catalans that are not independentist is revolting and pestilent"
"Us Catalans travel in private cars and pay for our expenses, unlike Spaniards".
"There has never been a non-inedpendentist Catalan whose life or career has been meaningful for the evolution of Humankind"
There are more, many more, but may these be a sample of what Catalan Independentists are and what they stand for.
I have also translated below excerpts from speeches by Adolf Hitler, because the similarity with Torra's speech is horrifying:
"When the question is still put to us why National Socialism fights with such fanaticism against the Jewish element in Germany, why it pressed and still presses for its removal then the answer can only be: Because National Socialism desires to establish a true community of the people…. Because we are National Socialists we can never suffer an alien race which has nothing to do with us to claim the leadership of our working people."
"The greatest achievements in intellectual life can never be produced by those of alien race but only by those who are inspired by the Aryan or German spirit."
We all know where Hitler's speech led Humanity. Please, don't let it happen again. See Nationalism eye to eye for what it is.
fuck corruption nobody owns countries goverments are just big organised crime gangs, they will not allow this, unless theres something we dont know about
5:30 that guy is drunk as an irish sailor
Surely there are some people in Cataluña that speak English...
The reporter looks like he's going to faint and his left eye was twitching alot. ^^
Is Spain a Yugoslavia replay?
Some people are weak and cowardly. Others are willing to fight for their freedom until they draw their last breath. Can you tell who is who in this youtube video ?
I am not so sure about the ability of the central government to forcefully regain control. On the referendum day they managed to get only a small percentage of the ballot stations.. and anyway the publicity on the papers was just about the crimes they committed against the citizen. I tend to believe Catalonia will go through and maintain its independence
Wish you luck Dear Catalans folks, love from Panjab.. we will join the same boat soon
2:39. "70 in favor 10 against." sounds like you are saying seventeen, but in reality it was SEVENTY.
During Brexit, leave voters were told that leaving the EU would be a mistake because the EU is a guarantor of human rights. What human rights is the EU guaranteeing in Catalonia? People are being battered and arrested and the EU is silent.
hello. do not be naïve Catalans . you dealing with over 2000 years of ruling experience by Spain and you always have been part of it. do not mess with Philip VI or the Spanish government. God Bless the Spaniards and all of Iberians of this Earth saludos
Seems to be a good journalist there. Long Live Catalonia! :)
Catalonia, por qué se está haciendo esto?
If Puigdemont doesn't go to jail for this he should go for that haircut
Minute 11:15.....Marina Petrus Coll. Check my name. I was born in Uruguay, South America but my paternal great grand father was from Catalonia. Heck, maybe she and I are relatives. The last name Coll is very rare. We probably ARE RELATIVES.
Did he say "regional" - I couldn't be sure - he only said it 20 times. 1 sided propaganda from Channel 4 News
dont talk about illeagle when george bush and tony blair arent in jail for iraq let alone 9/11 fuck these evil cunts
If Catalonia is divided, it is at least in part because Franco moved thousands of Spaniards there as part of a policy to dilute the culture.
Freedom and love
Freedom and love my creed!
These are the two I need.
For love I'll freely sacrifice
My earthly spell,
For freedom, I will sacrifice
My love as well.
Viva Catalunya!!!
When Theresa's spokesman says the UK does not recognise the Catalonian Independence, she's lying. I'm British I recognise the independence like many others! In fact how can the UK say this whilst currently going through BREXIT independence?! Speaking figures in 2014 Catalonia had some sort of mock election where 80% voted for independence. If 43% recently voted for independence and if Spain hadn't got in the way; following statistical patterns at least 70% of the other 57% would have thought for independence. If there was a majority against independence we WOULD see them on the streets. The fact is after Spain got involved there isn't a majority against. So as a British person I absolutely recognise the independence and the UK parliament has contradicted itself. And the fact Spain, a separate country has the ability to take control over another country should be illegal. Imagine if England said we want independence, then Scotland butts in and says well clearly England is unable to govern..with this bit of old paper we can now control you and beat up your elderly mwohahaha - Us English would go absolutely bezerk many of us would happily go to the borders and start a few fights. When you hear it in a different sense what Spain is doing sounds more illegal than a country holding a vote; casually voicing their opinions.
why would you even care about their independence?
anyway, Catalonia is not a country, it's a part of Spain. Spain's constitution says Spain is indivisible. Catalonia carried out an illegal referendum and they knew very well that it would be dismissed, but they just wanted to get attention from people like you who may see them as victims. Catalans here are just being arrogant and looking down on other Spanish people as they feel they are better just because they are doing better financially. And no, Spain is not doing anything illegal here, catalonia is.
Mara Ram I don't care much about their independence I care about god damn human rights you idiot! You saying Catalonia is part of Spain or the same as Spain is like saying France, Germany and Switzerland are the same because they are Geologically connected.... It's not like they have a different accent to spain..NO..they have a completely different language and a different fucking CULTURE! Illegal my ass. what's legal and illegal should not be chosen by the few people whom seem to doing a greeaaaat job governing the EU (or not) but should be chosen by the masses. You tell me; since when was expressing an opinion illegal? Since when was having a choice illegal...? You moron, they're are not Victims..like Britain, they are Victors!! You'll see when our economy's are booming and the Euro's going to shit because you can't manage without us; when you realise they were only in it for themselves not the people and run away, leaving you to pick up their foul government mess...you'll see ;) well if Catalan is doing better financially then you, don't sulk and say it's not fair up your god damn game, become better, hell, maybe if you ask nicely they'll give you some tips. How about you stop taking what's not yours, fuck off and leave Catalonia to it.
Be strong Catalunya. ❤️ 🙏🏻
Now there is 22 Spanish speaking countries
It's the EU ripping!
The EU has nothing to do with this.
sort of does when they won't even help their left wing mates out, because if Catalunya goes independent, the EU loses their money until they get re-intergrated.
That's why they are on Spain side.
Ironic, because they were in bed with Scotland about independence, because they obviously realized Scotland meant nothing to the EU financially.
Catalan independence movement isn't against the EU; it just wishes to be independent from Spain and recognised as a separate nation. Scotland means nothing? You sound like a Sun reader who knows nothing about economics. EU loses their money? What are you talking about? ECB can deal with a region becoming a nation, especially a nation which is using the Euro currently.
The independence movement wish to stay in the EU. Blurting out narratives to back Brexit agenda doesn't make you correct, it just makes you person of misinformation.
Flammen Official, you spelt Catalonia wrong so you obviously don't know shit about what is going on. The EU, UN and other organisations like them cannot have get involved with countries internal affairs and the EU was not in bed with Scotland about independence and has not taken Spain's side in this.
What next? Well if the cowardly reactions by the UK and the other EU Governments in not recognising the legitimate (if illegal separation under Spanish Law) then it will likely fail. At least we in Scotland have had the courage to supporting the Catalans in their just and rightful fight for freedom and self determination. I salute their courage and tenacity in the face of Spanish brutality we have not seen since Franco.
get all the police news yet you need my apartment
There's no Madrid, there's only Brussels anyways.
If Spain tries to impose martial law Russia could begin arming Catalans and that could quickly snowball into a NATO- Russian war. The right thing and the smart thing to do is simply recognize Catalan independence and encourage their speedy entrance into the EU
nice prelude for the WW2 was spain, hope the react in a decent manner.
Serves Spain right for meddeling with other countries' territorial integrity.
Up the Catalonians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So sad, whatever the world map remain same
For the Spanish right it is a double intolerable situation: CATALONIA and adding to it a REPUBLIC.
rajoy will be the WORST LOSER here. Madrid, sadly, could only "stop" the Catalunya Republic by force.
Madrid cannot stop the People anymore.
Hope South Tyrol is next, reunification with Austria. Südtirol ist nicht Italien!
dermatlmann : Like Rheinhold Meissner.
Nice to see the EU doing fuck all to stop this, because as far as they are concerned it's ok to let a member state send it's police force to attack EU citizens and not have one debate about it or put pressure on Spain to negotiate rather than end up with another 30yrs of terrorism like the Basque country.
I guess freedom is only allowed when it is the EU's say so. sorry I mean when the new Soviet Union says it is ok.
Most EU countries are strangers to democracy and have no tradition of it. The EU is the same. The most democratic country in Europe is Switzerland and is not a member of the EU, this speaks volumes about democracy and rights in the EU.
Or maybe it's because their rules don't allow it, in the same way that they didn't criticise the UK when we shot dead innocent Catholics on Bloody Sunday
Well, it's not like they had any issue with UK sending their army to kill Northern Irish civilians back in the day.
john hansberry And yet the UK was allowed to be a member even with that blood bath just a year before their entry.
Catalonia doesn’t have any army...
Sorry. What does direct rule mean? I’m new to this
Essentially the Spanish government will assume full control over Catalonia rather than the local catalonian parliament
Well i hope they are not allowed to become independent. They already knew that this referendum would be dismissed because the Spanish Constitution law of
1978 claims that Spain is indivisible. They are playing the victim role way too much and feeling special and superior way too much.
why is this guys hand shaking so much
The United States recognizes the Catalan Republic.
Catalan becoming a new Nation automatically means that it has left the EU.
i used to live in spain, its almost as corrupt as england fair play to them, they are catalonian heroes. spains constitution doesnt apply to mayors or their friends and associates.
I didn't vote in the referendum and I DO NOT want to stay in Spain. This reporter is BIASED.
I smell a *Civil War* .
Why are you shivering?
ArmageddonAfterparty It's night time in October, not the middle of the afternoon in July.
I really do hope Catalan is ready,, I mean Timor Leste did the same and they're basically destroyed now,, I hope Catalan won't have the same fate
The Mexican Americans have more claim for independence on the whole western part of the United States than the Catalans will ever have in Spain. If you would argue that cultural, ethnic and historic dwelling governs the right for independence, then the Mexican Americans have a much stronger claim for claiming the entire western United States as an independent country from the United States of America, the United States of Mexico and the Kingdom of Spain, for that "historic" matter! So, if you think Catalonia deserves independence, then just give all the western United States to "La Raza" Chicano Power - Mexican American, and recognize it as the Aztlan Nation.
The Catalan argument fomenting this independence movement is based on corrupt politicians wanting to break the law in hopes of keeping fraudulently obtained funds.
Mexico is just a colonial entity they have no claim unless Maya people are claiming territory historical belonging to them
Let me guess - it's the affluent part of Spain.........................
the eu is a bit quiet over this,but i bet if theres eu money to be lost they will suddenly have an interest
Catalan Assembly has 135 members. They got 72 votes.
Not exactly a landslide.
A poll taken last week showed that 46% were against snap elections, and 53% in favor. As usual, the corrupt government cares only for the minority. The people that truly have no rights are the rest of the Catalans and the rest of Spain, who are consistently labeled as Fascists by those who either intend harm or, just as bad, leap on, knowing nothing. To understand why something happens, ask who and what it serves.
Oh, even the Catalan Constitution, just like Spain's, requires a 2/3 majority to amend it. The 'independentistas' act outside the law because they don't have the popular or governmental support to work within it.
That guys voice lol
Is he having a seizure?
Cingratulaciones. Viva Catalunya
Solidarity from the occupied north of Ireland tiocfaidh ar la
why is he shaking so much i shake less during a seizure what the fk
Yep. Those poor guys dare to face jail penalties... But not their leader Puigdemont, now seeking asylum in the land of the smurfs xDDDD
Veneto next!!!
I'm Venetian and I can surely say this: Venetians are not so indoctrinated as the Catalans, they will never self-destroy themself just because someone says that going out of everything is a good idea because he "feels" it is.
Never have I seen such celebration to regional suicide
VIVA Catalonia!!
Watch and learn Brexiteers!
Visca Catalunya lliure! Vaig llegir tota la historia de Catalunya. És fort! Puc entendre perquè els catalanes volen ser independent.
Un petò de Alemanya.
Un petó per tú també, però jo sóc català i no vull la independència 🤔 no confonguem, que hi ha molts catalans que no som indepes
be careful what you wish for .... yikes there goes my investments .... wait do I hear the rumbling of tanks? ohhh too late
8 minutes in: So let me guess, Channel 4 is the pro-Torie or at least centrist, pro-status quo channel. How'd I do?
democracy at work...
So... the want a state without coercive force... bullscheisssssse.
What about the US? Did anybody from Cataluña or España ask for advice to Trump?
Alex Torres That fucking moron probably thinks a Catalan is a type of boat or something.
Wish Chiapas was Independent from Mexico. It only has given us misery
Don't they have guns in Catalonia
VIVA ESPAGNA !!!!!
As a Mexican I am glad Spain become much weaker lol
Peace Catalonia -
¡Viva España!
Saludos desde El Caribe Hispano.
Argenis Gutierrez : Too much rhum.
we need this in england asap, oh wait we cant because they took our guns the same way theyre tryin to take usa guns fuck right off you bunch of cunts
Bodies will hit the floor! They should not have tested them. hahahaha
Of course Beyonce first and then we gonna carry on...
This might last 8 somthing
Viva Cataluña
These two Catalan chicks are good :-) haha, of course we support Catalonia independence, every normal person should, Madrid sending thugs to beat normal people trying to write something on a peace of paper (the vote on 1.oct) proved that Catalans are right to be fighting for independence. You can argue how legal or illegal, legitimate etc the referendum was, but YOU CANNOT send police to beat people, this is not middle ages (that's *when* today's Spanish government obviously lives). Independence for Catalonia!
The lack of action by the EU will accelerate the defragmentation of the EU , because people will see that the EU is undemocratic as they are demonstrating it in this case.
Free Catalan!
You must see the non Independence march today , one million catalán people agaist independe.Only 32% catalans wants independece, and the referéndum was ilegal because catalán parlament no suport the referéndum only the indepent which are a minority.