How GOOD was Aggron ACTUALLY - History of Aggron in Competitive Pokemon (Gens 3-7)
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- Aggron is this week’s Pokemon for our competitive history series! Join False Swipe Gaming in this brief overview of Aggron in competitive Pokemon!
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6:53 - Gen 6 VGC
8:07 - SM/Gen 7
9:38 - Outro
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Notice I said POPULAR formats, meaning a format where there is a significant amount of people who compete in it for tournaments and so on and so forth. Now Popular does not mean official even though two of the formats I will be covering were official formats being Japan Nintendo Cup and VGC, but it is an indicator of what a good portion of competitive players thought was “optimal” at the time. Also sometimes the Pokemon Battle Historia doesn't provide enough information to talk about certain Pokemon so I add Smogon analysis to make sense of it. This is pretty rare though.
To the people asking why I don't cover Smogon Singles for Gens 1 and 2: It wouldn't really be a history video if I covered those because online Smogon gen 1 meta to my knowledge wasn't actually played until late 2000s. I wanted to cover tournaments/competitive battling that was actually played during the early years of Pokemon (late 90s).
To the people asking why I cover Smogon at all for singles: To my knowledge, Smogon was the most popular format for Gens 3-5 and held a number of tournaments throughout the years. As for Gen 6, I am not covering Battle Spot Singles because there is more information and explanations about sets being used relative to their own meta on Smogon. In other words, there are few written analyses about Battle Spot Pokemon besides the Top tiers and I would like to avoid theorycrafting because it may have a hint of bias (though I theorycraft if I REALLY couldn't find information on a certain Pokemon). The keyword here is explanations. Though I did find statistics of most Pokemon used and most moves used, there wasn't really any explanations on why. Also the few Pokemon I did find analysis of for Top Tier Battle Spot Singles had very similar move sets to the Smogon OU sets anyway.
For the record, I do not care what rules or formats people play their battles by nor am I saying these formats are the only formats that should be played. The way you play Pokemon is between you and your opponent and I will not fault you for using evasion or whatever, I just like examining popular tournament formats.
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How GOOD was mawile?
I will never give up on my favorite Pokémon
How GOOD was Regice ACTUALLY?
Ferrothorn, Ferrothorn Ferrothorn. We NEED to talk about this thing xD
How GOOD was Miltank ACTUALLY?
How GOOD was Golem and alolan Golem actually?
He is the only one left of the OG trade-evolutions and Rhydon's former rival
2:51 Aggron used Head Smash! *punches*
6:18 Aggron used Fire Punch! *headbutts*
Something seems backward here...
I like Aggron
it headbutts for dragon tail.
Big sword shield energy
@Magnus Von Braun ooh goo go gaa gaa nobody cares
@Magnus Von Braun ah yes i do not care if i sound like one them i do i can do nothing against it
Why did you do this
Imagine if they just made Aggron pure Steel or Steel/Ground from the start...it's amazing what one little change could have done for him.
But then it couldn't use head smash as well as it does :(
@@philippegarnon6080 well then just give aggron another move like meteor mash or something
@@Hmmm777 Or just give it a signature steel-type version of HS or something i guess
Yeah
@@philippegarnon6080 isn't there one already? Like 140 damage but recoil? I forgot what it was called, but it's brand new and can be found in Sw/Sh
The Aron line seems to be more intended to be a nigh-unstoppable tank for much of the _single player_ journey rather than competitive. The loads of Normal type moves you'll face makes its Steel/Rock typing, along with its extreme Defense stat, absolutely ideal for that purpose.
True , I’ve been doing a wonderlocke of swsh and my aggron that I got as an Aron was just unstoppable, shrugging off tackles and rock blasts like nothing
Exactly, it’s supposed to be a hard counter to normal types, flying, and anything not super effective. Pokémon like this are why fighting and ground coverage are vital in competitive. Not a versatile typing but extremely strong in some situations
Probably why you can obtain it so early in gen 3, unlike pseudos like salamance and tyranitar.
Too bad it was introduced in a generation where there's a ton of waters
i just beat emerald and tbh was left a bit disappointed by aggron. its only notable moves it learned were iron tail, iron defense and (drumroll) headbutt. no rock slide, no rock tomb no nothing. definitely a tm sink and probably not the best one at that
Now the real question is
How cute was aron actually
Absolute baby
Very
How cute was pichu actually?
Muddposs *n o*
Very
Aggron was fun to Rock with in Black 2.
But it needs to steel itself
But real talk who else loves Aggron's design.
Me! Although, sometimes I forget it exists. I shall apologize to it, and leave this steel triceratops be to take care of its environment.
Is my absolute favourite pokémon
Me
Aggron'a is by far one of the best designed Steel types imo.
me
Every time we get to gen 5 it’s just weather, fighting types and ferrothorn
Edit: Rhanks got the likes really appreciated
Well those are just more or less what's prominent.
Weather is omnipresent.
Fighting types run amuck.
and Ferrothorn is simply one of the best defensive Pokemon.
Power creep is one hell of a drug. Gen 7 comes close second to Gen 5 power creep insanity.
power creep can get so bad that METAGROSS goes to ru this gen
Yes worst gen by far
pkfire i'm not aware of stats and stuff, did the next gens just increase stat totals? i know they powercreeped like madmen but i'm not sure how
“Defense rolls to titanic heights”
Watch out for those ice types guys.
Nice joke
ARTEM DORDZHIEV boo hoo
@ARTEM DORDZHIEV and the fact that the joke contradicts itself makes it a better and smarter joke.
Avalugg: Ho, so you are approching me?
Steel typing: Oh i don't think so
To a 13 year old me playing sapphire, aggron was a demon I sought to tame. Every team. Every game. Always with an Aaron in that sableye cave
yea
Granite cave
Iron Tail Aggron in R/S/E was so spammable and strong, I loved using it in my playtroughs
Lol, I'd do the same with Garchomp every game. I'd even trade a gible to games where he wasn't obtainable, just to make sure I had him. Monstrous Pokemon.
Same here, played through gen 3 like 5-6 times, every single play through there's an aron. (For some reason they have rock head as an ability every single time)
I feel like a moron, but I literally just noticed that Aggron’s head is a samurai helmet. It took seeing it from behind in the ORAS footage for me to notice.
Ron How did you notice that? I just thought the metal was like a large head scale.
Hory shet
it's just layered plates, if it was a samurai style one it'd come round the sides a lot more
this is based more on like, fantasy scale male or just the way plate armour has to be to cover joints
It got a trike head. Kinda
Its not supposed to be. Its based on the creature Bulgasari
Looking at it, I would expect Aggron to have base 600 total.
Slap on 40 SP.Def 15 HP and 15 (Either) ATK
Yhh it would have been awesome to have him be a psudeo ,make it even more of a tyranitar rival.
*Prays for a gen 8 buff*
@@philippegarnon6080
In gen 2 when the special split, some Pokémon special stat changed.
In gen 6, Pikachu got the single largest Base Stat Total boost adding 10 to both defensive stats.
A number of other Pokémon gained +10 BST to 1 stat
It'd be nice, but there's not a chance in hell they're going to increase its stats
@@nerddwarf Yea i know, just wishful thinking, especially since they gave it a mega, they pretty much shelved any upgrades it could get.
Many pokemon got a buff through their new movepool this gen, so even though aggron has a very good movepool to start with, maybe they'll introduce new tutor moves in the next dlc.
Last dlc we got a lot of really good utility moves, and I think it would benefit greatly from a rock-type recovery move, or something.
@@philippegarnon6080
Give it a steel-type cosmic power/defend order
And/or amnesia for sp.def
And it doesn't make sense but for fun give it strength sap
Mega Beedrill: **tries to sting Aggron**
Aggron: **goes Mega** SIT
DOWN
CHILD
NOW
CAN'T OUTSTALL THE WALL
@@haka-katyt7439 THE WALL
Imagine if Gen 8 Aggron could still Mega Evolve. Body Press off of a 230 Base Physical Defense. Holy Arceus, is that scary.
trick room relaxed nature aggron, trick room setter being able to deal with fighting and ghost types, definitely top ubers because you would have to bring a counter for it, like what aegislash
@@unbound2424its RU in nat dex rn. This was not true lmao
I once thought Aggron and Haxorus were Pseudo-legendaries, and probably should have been.
Me too. Since in Sapphire, my Aggron rip through almost every thing. And I think it's really underrated
Yah that's really odd especially with how much it takes to get to aggron he really should of had that 600 bst
HAX ISNT A PSEUDO????
I also thought this. I think its the Godzilla like designs
@Jacob Choi What other Pokemon? The other pokemon that could have been Pseudo-legendaries are Flygon and Slaking
At least Aggron is still the best Steel/Rock type. The other two went to Untiered as soon as they could.
But Aggron has not been there yet.
To be frank, being doubly weak to two of the most powerful offensive types will get you nowhere in Smogon.
Stakataka is NU/RU
@@angeldust23457 its probably refering to probopass
2:50
I hope I'm not the only one that's really annoyed with Aggron's "head smash" animation being a punch.
Nope.
*Bruh.*
Still better than Sword/Shield animations.
@@beta511ee4 It's a lame consolation
Aggron: *Balls fist* "This is my brain."
Rock Resistant Pokémon, like Gliscor...
Gliscor: Guess i'll just stop flying now.
if you pack Roost then yes
I'm pretty sure that roost didn't always remove the flying type for one turn. I think the added it in gen 5 or 6.
@@fajanisch Nope Roost always did that since it's introduction in Gen 4. I remember fighting Falkner in HeartGold and SoulSilver, his Pidgeotto carried Roost
@@Smart1529 You know what makes Falkner too difficult *THAT* early in?
If you don't get a Mareep or take the Onix Trade, you just about can't beat him without playing tip toe with heavy stat drops between not getting shredded from Gust.
@@stetsonherrick8090 Lowkey just used a combo of my starter and a geodude I picked up
I'm not a competitive player ( Actually *WAY* far from it ) but I really enjoy watching these videos and I look forward to your videos each Sunday morning, they're great with a cup of coffee
Or a Saturday evening for other people
Or Monday morning for some
@@thinkingoffaclevernickname1928 Where are from, m8?
PST
Me to
Damn, you uploaded early today
Damn, you uploaded early or Damn you, uploaded early?
@@ZeroZeke- actually damn, you uploaded early but whatevs
Emanuel QUETEJODAN ikr
Filter+Lose TONS of weaknesses+30ATK+50DEF+20SPDEF
On almost any Pokemon this would make it absolutely broken
I'll take losing rock STAB
Edit: Throwin' it on a Mix&Mega sand team right now
I remember catching a shiny aron and his eyes were red asf lmao idk what he be smoking
Smoking that aggron pack
1:16 "Everyone and their mother had Focus Punch & Brick Break..."
The way pokémon genetics work, I have no doubts about the truthfulness behind this statement.
_It was never a top tier pokémon, but at least in the lower tiers it was SOLID._
Getting better at delivering *PUNishment* I see.
Best looking design, too bad it had to suck. If it became a Steel/Dragon, then maybe it'd pull put better.
I want a Regional Form with better typing. :3
I don't know what Dragon would've given it - it wouldn't be harmed by Fairies or Ice types that badly due to the Steel typing, but it would still have to deal with the issues of being Steel.
@@KahunaLagoona But look at Dialga. Granted, different stats, but Dialga's typing is what makes it super good.
@@emblemwarrior11 True, but if you're asking for a good type to pair with Dragon, Steel just isn't it - unless you're going for poison immunity.
Just run him on a trick room team, he can be a pretty surprising sweeper since he doesn't have to risk recoil from rock head whereas rampardos does
This is one of the only "how good was actually" video I've watched because Aggron is my favorite Pokemon.
Same
You have great taste.
Hail yeah
Cool. Now watch them all /j
I still remember hatching Aron eggs a couple years ago while playing Y, was half asleep at the time, suddenly being met with green tinted plating, that blood red eye and the terminator theme going off in my head.
Not bad stats on it either, Adamant, 31/31/31/X/31/0, named this beast Shunt. After the bulldozer looking house robot from Robot Wars.
Can never forget your legit shiny pokémon~
fr, I only have 2 full odd legit shiny pokemon, everyone else is with charm and most of them are in scarlet violet, my 2 legit full odd shinies are horde wingull and a random miltank from pokemon X
i always find lower tier pokemon are always interesting. A lot of OU pokemon tend to have something broken or OP about them but UU and RU meta is always fun.
Well it's just the very fortunate typing, stats or moveset they might have to make them OP.
Pokemon normally in the UU and RU (and rarely PU) could have something that might be a niche to boost them up to OU or even Ubers, doesn't make them OP just give their time in the sun.
@@spectral5939 well I didn't really mean all OU pokemon are op I just meant the broken ones like talonflame or mega kanga etc. A lot of pokemon get to OU just for their sheer power like garchomp which is always cool
@@AnarchyJunction mega kanhaskhan is ubers?
pete lee parental bond catapulted it from NU to Uber for a while, i'm pretty sure it's not ultra broken anymore
Kinda agree with this, personally bcz my fav pokemon is in lower tier (which is the horrible one), and i can get creative team without dealing powercreep (yea, its ridiculous)
Did anyone else thing Aggron was a Pesoudo legendary or was that just me?
just you
same, also thought that with Haxorus.
Same here and i always think it steel/dragon type
You guys are morons then
I thought so in Gen 3.
When you think about it, Aggron is one of the healthiest Pokemons in terms of game design :
He's an educative pokémon, as a concept (reminds me of HunterXhunter's Greed Island)
Not only does he have this typical huge gap between Def and SpeDef that makes you realize about physical and special moves when you're a noob, but his weaknesses are doubled so that you basically have to hit a weak spot in order to beat him, which forces you to search for the weak spots and thus get smarter about the game !
We need more things like that to encourage casual players towards competitive play.
Smart design. Too bad Aggron is the one suffering for this.
What a shame that my favorite Pokemon is being used for such a purpose
Not really. That’s kinda the point of the rock type and Brock as the first gym with his pokemon being very weak.
Not to mention, held items and natures since that’s a big part of the competitive nature.
This makes me sad, but it is certainly true. I love Aggron as a pokemon, and I've always been a big fan of steel types in general. But having quad weaknesses to multiple common attacking move types as well as a severely low SpD stat definitely sets it back.
Gen 5 Ferrothorn: That'll hold em' alright hehehhehehe
Gen 6 Mega Aggron: That'll hold em' alright ehehhehehe
BIG AGGRUS confirmed :)
TheGrayShadow XD
“Try to kill me. I dare you.”
"Big aggrus" was the cringiest thing I every read
@@wesleybandy17170 *still uses the word cringe in 2019*
@@wendigo2536 that's the most retarded reply I've ever gotten
It’s a real shame that the comments are still just filled with people suggestions pokémon. I’m going to assume most of them just commented right away and where too lazy to delete it later or they left once the focus of the video was done and didn’t hear about keeping the comment section clear. Maybe next time put it in the middle or start of the video so people hear it. Cause there’s still just tons of people commenting video ideas.
yep :/
Mabye he could make the place where everyone puts reccomendations in a community post?
@@boldknock7436 Um... Yes. That is what he is doing. Did you also not watch the end of the video? He said it's going to be done in the community section now.
That's been the reason why I rarely comment on any of his videos, but will people actually follow it? There's still a good amount of people that either commented early or commented on his own post explaining to leave suggestion in the community tab.
@@Eira_99 i was reading the comment section before hand i didnt watch it fuply mb lol
Due to the 5 extra HP Mega-Steelix is physically bulkier
It also has 15 extra Sp.Def
But Aggron also has Filter
I just realized how many similarities there are between aggron and garchomp. Two powerful Pokémon used by the champion who’s first forms were found hidden in cave basement levels and were supposed to be early game investment Pokémon who both grew up for great power late game, but then they put their NFEs in victory road or close by so you just caught it there and didn’t have to bother with the other cave. I’m a little salty they gutted the gimmick but I’m also not complaining about free garchomp/aggron for the elite 4.
Aggron: mecha godzilla in pokemon form
I thought that was Tyranitar lol after all he is green.
@@TheRibottoStudios And in the black and white games exist a mecha Tyranitar
Actually it's based on a North-Korean Godzilla ripoff.
It’s Pulgasari.
lol ripping my idea off but its okay. It's mega shining mode is our Pokémon Dragonzord.
It sucks that normal Aggron has lost its relevancy over the years, because I think it looks way better than Mega Aggron. Yeah, it was never top tier in its earlier generations, but it wasn't horrible or anything. It's stats and movepool were enough to offset its bad typing, but with power creep those stats just aren't good enough anymore. Maybe if it was pure Steel, or Steel/Dragon it would be better.
Its a rock type for a reason
@yung muney Instead of spamming that reply to about seven different people like an offended child, how about you actually engage us in discussion for once. What is this "reason" you're parroting on ahout?
Let's not forget that this Pokémon is the only one to outright drop one of its types by Mega Evolving, so I personally doubt the Rock typing is as important as you make it out to be.
@@gengarzilla1685 Its because it eats iron and rocks to form a rockier bottom and its metal outer shell, as you can see it isn't made entirely made out of steel before it mega evolves. It makes sense and it fits. Being an "offended child" is one thing, being a spoild brat and advocating a type change ignoring it's core design and concept is another
Then why isn't Glalie, an Ice type with a rock body, an Ice/Rock type? Try answering that.
@@yungmuney5903 Yeah so?
"Steel plated Barney"
I would take Aggron over that singing purple and green menance any day!
Thanks so much for making this! Love the video. Aggron is my favorite pokemon of all time. Despite its weaknesses, despite anything, I love to use him! His looks are amazing, I personally like the typing. (just that it as set is very weak) but either way, enjoyed watching this. Maybe one day he'll get something that'll make him stronger somehow. His mega is already pretty solid, the only flaw in that mega is that he can't hold an item basically. But who knows...
How BAD at listening are your viewers ACTUALLY?
Very bad. Most of them can't see the pinned comment..
@@CuriousNeon Or wait to the end of the video..?
How ACCURATE is this comment ACTUALLY?
Remember the unused ability Cacophony? Yeah, not so unused after all.
@@gengarzilla1685 Actually, the Cacophony is understood as a combination of horrid sounds, but yes, that's a neat comment
70% of the comments : Still voting
25% of the comments : Telling the other 70% to go vote where they have to or just saying it generally
5% of the comments : Actual discussion
Did you know that 73% of people make up staistics?
Why I don't really like the comments section of FSG's videos. I mean I want to look at some discussion on these pokemon!
I mean, progress is still progress though! At least we're getting some scattered discussions here and there. Give it time :)
And which of the top 2 do you fit into? Because this isn't actual discussion. Good job being part of the problem!
1% of comments this comment
Tyranitar's younger, weaker cousin.
I more saw Aggron as a Gen III Rhydon myself. Maybe because of their similar bipedal postures and a quadruped pre-evolved form in Lairon and Rhyhorn.
actually stronger with headsmash
Maybe it the one sense, Salamander Bandit, but Tyranitar is more like the experienced soldier who can find a solution, as opposed to Aggron's fresh recruit "Charge in and get shot" approach.
I always thought was more like rhydon's cousin. It goes from quadrupedal to bipedal like it, and has horns.
@@HunterHerne
I believe Tyranitaur is the violent one. Aggron is much more peaceful.
The community tab was a much needed improvement. Thank you!
To this day, mega aggron is still one of my favorites. I'm probably in the minority, but I prefer beefing up his physical defense up to 252 ev's, along with his HP. He can tank just about any hit well, regardless if it's super effective or not. I like to combo him with sylveon, building the sylveon up for special defense to allow swaps between the two, using wish/heal bell, and allowing both to cover one another's weaknesses. It also allowed me to cause opponents to second guess using poison moves on sylveon, as swapping back to aggron would result in no damage, making them overall a decent pair together.
How good was comment voting ACTUALLY?
TLDW: BAD. PU tier every generation is indefensible.
Worst that PU Tier; they're ZU Tier; literally unplayable.
@@troykv96 nah they were FU. (I know its the same thing)
Nah they are undefined like Pidgeot
@@necro5363 undefined/untiered is ZU/FU
PU is the lowest official
(Not counting NFE and LC)
Smogon tiers talk about only usage and popularity (except for the uber ones), some PUs can be strong and powerful with good sets and find well niches in OU. For example Wailord, Seviper, Hariyama, Shiftry, Mudsdale, Golurk, Alolan Persian and much other are gen 7 PU but they can be really useful in OU.
Btw instead the lowest ever tier mons (as utility and not popularity) should be mons like Luvdisc, Spinda, Farfetch'd, Ledian, Purugly, not-mega Beedrill, not-mega Pidgeot, Fearow, Beautifly and things like this... they're literally unplayable and worst fully evolved or basics without evolution ever. It would be funny to make a tier of only totally useless mons, imagine the battles XD
Cool info, and real happy we're finally talking gen 7. Keep up the great work!
Mega Aggron was what Aggron always should have been, period.
YEESSSSS THANK YOUUUU IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
Aggron has always been one of my favorite pokemon of all time, his design is just one of my favorites.
Are we not going to appreciate how well it took that earthquake from a freaking mega garchomp?Mega aggron is amazing!!
After setting up a few Iron defenses you cannot outstall, nor even touch this thing without getting body pressed into nothingness
a single ember be like:
That’s Filter for you.
Pfffft Stall teams, True man use mega Aggron as a bulky physical sweeper in OU!
As you're the only one sane enough to use it that way. I use Mega Aggron as a physical wall on my Pokemon Omega Ruby team.
Based
I use water pulse + thunder aggron, water pulse always confuses first hit.
I’m actually surprised that Aggron was actually pretty bad in general
Steel and rock is a terrible combination, that screw up Aggron
Juan Yea it really did but it’s still kinda surprising, I never saw Agron as a mediocre mon
Only competitively, he was a beast playing through the main games in most generations since npcs don't carry earthquake & close combat on every other Pokemon. There's a lot of mons that are like that.
Mega aggron is a great check to alot of ubs and the tapus in gen 7 other then that though it's pretty mediocre but I still love it.
Aggron is my favorite pokemon, so i tried to make him work in 5th gen. 4x weak to ground and fighting, 'nuff said
> "Go to community tab to vote"
> People still votes in the comments
Huh
On another note, will you make updates for some old videos?
You didn't tell us how they were in gen 7 (because the meta wasn't fully developed), and maybe it's time to learn how good they were actually.
I wouldn't mind the Riachu video to be updated to show Alolan Raichu in both the beginning and the thumbnail. All the other Alolans have it.
Yeah, I hope FSG does start doing that eventually. A lot of the pokemon from his early vids are really cool, and I want to see how they did in Gen 7 competitive.
he has commented that he will eventually make 1 big video for all the pokemon he hasnt done gen 7 for
@@justinarney3050 Ooooh, I guess i missed that when he posted it. That's sweet.
Man I love that you did this video, he's my favorite pokemon, and even if he's not the best, I'll always have him in my team, he's such a badass pokemon still
Aggro is hands down in my top 10, maybe evem 5, fave Hoenn pokemon. I love its design and have fond memories using it.
I am really amazed on how the people can't read or listen to the end of the video, and just ignore the comment of the community tab, it's not that hard, come on!
Oof
Still waiting on Agumon.
LOL
Go home your drunk
Rock n Pika
*you’re
He should stay in the digital world if he doesn't want his line to become dinner.
@Joel Chin-Sue don't kid yourself. Pokemon have so many options that few would actually be threatened by a gaint energy ball. Wargreymon isn't that threatening to a great majority of pokemon. Omnimon however would be more dangerous due to his power but once again his lack of options just ruins him. A cannon and a sword, great power in them, but they aren't going to do much against pokemon who can dance around those for days or aren't threatened.
I’ve been waiting for you to cover Aggron for 3 years... thank you.
Been waiting for this
FINALLY. Favourite pokemon next to Flygon.
HOW GOOD WAS INFER....Wait crap.... Not only he said this video is being made also we do not vote here.... See ya'll in the community tab
iron man bless your soul
Aggron is my favorite pokemon. I was very happy to open this video up just now
I'm so happy, finally my favorite Pokémon was analyzed!
Wow this is prolly the most discussion I've seen in a "How good was ___ actually" video! I'm glad it finally happened!
Poor aggron, being a rock steel type really hurts, and if you aren't named Stakataka you are in NU or PU. Having only above average atk and high HP can't distract you from the fact that he is weak to almost every Mon in the OU metagame. (Greninja, LANDO, Keldeo, etc.) But it still was decent in the lower tiers being an offensive rocker or a choice band abuser. Its mega did save it with a great ability AND removing the terrible rock type it had... I wish they did that in the beginning tbh.
P.S FSG try to tell the viewers about the community tab in the beginning because it seems like only a few people listened..
I think the reason why Staka is in RU is because it has a strong niche in trick room teams. Even when it was in UU, it has a very strong base attack and defense which let's it hold a lot of common threats in early USUM. However due to him not being able to break waters/ground types which is common is balanced teams, he dropped in usage and is in RU. And there he is a havoc. I think that aagron can work in some trick room teams but then why not just use staka
Exactly. Stakataka is able to abuse trick room amazingly with its low speed and has strong stab moves. (gryo ball and stone edge) beast boost can either make it bulkier or make it stronger (with proper IVs and natures) and its defense actually makes it takes hits (iirc it can survive two EQs from offensive lando T) its really the only rock/steel type worth using
It has a rock typing for a reason
@@yungmuney5903 I know that lore wise but from a competitive out look I wish it wasn't part rock. It would be so much better and would prolly be RU in this gen.
Jzjxx Xjzjzj I see it as a Steel/Dragon like Dialga. It looks like a prehistoric dinosaur (I’m not sure what it’s based off of, but probably a Dino), and I don’t see why it was made rock in the first place.
Aggron is rather awesome and one of favorites. I'm rather surprised there was no mention about the change to Sturdy mechanics or Custap Berry. Then again, Rock Head is where it's at!
Looking back, why no mention of the IMMENSE manipulation opportunity for Heavy Slam with Heavy Metal as an ability? You could easily make it as strong as Head Smash.
@@stetsonherrick8090 Heavy slam (along with every other weight based move) caps at 120 power, so it would never be as powerful as head smash.
Thanks fsg, quality as usual!
I'm gonna be calling Aggron "Steel Plated Barney" forever now because of this video.
I'm seeing more people complaining about people voting in the comments, than people voting in the comments
Yeah because people finally realized how annoying it was to see "OmG I waNT Th1$ M0n NeXT" and finally let FSG notice.
Nani
And it's even more annoying saying "Omg sTop sSuuGeSTIn FSG eVRy fUCkin tIMe"
@@kazoorion7993 well we *had* to say it multiple time so it could get through people and FSG that we want to be able to discuss about the Mon of the week and not be plagued with suggestions that a discussion can't even formulate.
Which ironically you ended up being somehow more annoying to the people who are consantly asking, even if it wasn't your intention. kek.
Mega Aggron is one of my favorite megas because of my memories using it in gen 7 UU. That team was one of my favorites. Not the most viable, but the most fun. It featured heavy slam-EQ- rest talk M Aggron, special defense Togekiss with both wish to heal in a pinch, and heal bell to wake up Aggron after a sleep talk. Another wacky set was a Zoroark pretending to be Chanderlure and spamming specs flamethrowers and trick, and since my Chandelure was scarfed and also had trick, it made for some serious mind games.
What a nice birthday gift. One of my fave Pokemon!
Aggron is actually my favorite rock type pokemon
Probably because its the only one
@@eonshade6297 srry let me rephrase that, what I meant to say was Aggron is my favorite rock or steel type pokemon but mostly rock
Aggron's always been one of my faves. If only it had a better typing or special bulk.
Aggron is one of my 10 favorite steel types
This is definitely my favorite Pokémon. It can be difficult to deal with if you know what your doing. not competitively or anything but in a more casual setting its really fun to use.
watching all of these, and aggron is my favorite pokemon, so im super excited for this.
My favorite memory of this thing is of one of the past missions in the third Pokémon Ranger game where you have to avoid some really OP Aggron for that point in the game.
Thanks heaps for the video!
Man I love agaron he is my favorite Pokémon so glad you guys covered him
*How good was* the community tab actually?
AG
Aggron has always been one of my favourites imagine my hype when he got a mega 🙂
I am very hungover with a huge headache. This video helped me get through my struggle 👍🏽
Generation 8 Update.
Aggron's Mega is gone and it dropped all the way down to PU where its one of the best in the tier. Despite a new tool in Body Press, it doesn't use it all that much. It just Choice Bands and bashes everything to death with Head Smash. Common targets are Charizard, Ribombee, and Galarian Articuno.
For the first time however, Aggron became specially defensive. By beefing up its Special Defense, it can sponge hit from the special attackers and scare them away. Aggron is actually pretty good in PU.
Mega Aggron was my go-to Mega in Gen 6. Pure Steel with Filter was so good! Loved tanking hits with a 252 SpDef 252 HP and then retaliating with attacks that were still plenty powerful.
YEAAHHH FINALLY OF MY FAVOURITE POKÉMON AGGRON
I remember when I caught one to start using in-game because it was so cool and was gonna defend attacks so well and hit really hard
and then it kept getting 1-shot by everything
I will always have an attachment to Aggron even if it isn't great competitively bc Aron was my first-ever Shiny
Aggron was always one of my favorites, but embarrassingly I thought for most of my life you needed to trade Lairon to evolve him... I could’ve used him so much...
I never realized until I saw this, but Aggron’s armor, and especially Mega Aggron’s armor, are heavily based on samurai armor. Pretty cool
We need a paradox Aggron that's Steel/Dragon
Been waiting for my favorite Steel Dino definitely one of my top favorite mon designs by far. Yeah while he was never top tier I always liked using him just for that crazy Head Smash set and his mega still ain't too bad either just unfortunate that he never got any good recovery. Gonna hope for gen 8 though, but I doubt it.
The rock type should get a recovery move, it's by far the worst type right now and it would really help some of the rock types. But it is realistic that it doesn't. I mean look at real life rocks, when a piece breaks of you'll have to melt the entire rock to get it on again...
@Lloyd Johannessen Stone Edge is already a solid move. It just needs more than 8 PP.
In terms of something that makes sense, maybe Rocks could get something like Aqua Ring. The user is smashing/tilling the ground beneath themselves and covering themselves in dirt like a protective coat.
Not really, the Ice type is the worst
@@kazoorion7993 Opinions differ, but the ice type is only horrible defensively, it's offense and attacks are actually quite good.
The rock type has bad weaknesses and a couple of resistances that don't matter much, it's moves (except for stealth rocks, but other types can use that as well) are bad with the ones with good or even just okay power having low accuracy. The amount of types it's good against is actually okay, but that doesn't matter when none of your moves can hit the target in the first place.
Really sherlock? I already know that. That was why I was disagreeing with you.
Back to the topic, the reason why I consider the Ice type to be the worst It is because it is one of the most fragile types, it is only resistant to attacks of its own type, if a Pokemon has the Ice type as their secondary type, then it can have a lot of weaknesses, including 4x. It is needless to say that the majority of pokemons of this type tends to be quite slow, they lack moves that raise their stats, added to the fact they have low or decent offensive states, and too many weaknesses making it a really weak type, and those who are quick, still have low attack and can't raise their low offensive stats. The only Ice Pokemon that are actually strong are Kyurem, Weavile, Cloyster and Mamoswine, since Kyurem can be used in the Overused category as it's black form, just in Ubers with it's white form, Weavile is a fast attacking mon that can increase it's attack with Sword Dance, Cloyster has Shell Smash, Skill Link and can be a mix fast attacker and Mamoswine has a decent resistence and one of the most powerful Ice Shard. It also has some underrated decent mons like Lapras, Mega Abomasnow and even Mega Glalie, not even their inmunity to being frozen save them because there aren't any attack that will just freeze the opponent and those who already exist has low chances.
Another bad thing is it's weather Hail, meaning that if you use a Pokemon like Abomasnow or any Ice mon that triggers hail, you're forced to just use Ice mons or having a non-ice mon that holds Leftovers to overcome the damage, because no other type are inmune to hail other than the Ice mons themselves since at least the Sandstorm prevents damage to Rock, Ground and Steel types as well as boosting the Sp. defense of Rock mons by a 50%, but Hail doesn't boost any stat to the ice mons and just two attacks are boosted with the Hail and they are Blizzard with it's accuracy being boosted and Weather Ball becomes Ice type but Wheather ball isn't seen in the current competitive, they don't even have good abilities that could benefit them with Hail, because Ice Body just doesn't heal you enough HP and Snow Cloak doesn't boost your evasion compared to Minimise, they should made Hail to boost the Sp defense or Attack AND Sp. Attack by 50% to make up for all the cons the Ice type has, or make them resistent to Fire moves. The ONLY actual useful the ice type is, is for offensive, because it's the most used to beat Dragon mons with Ice beam, but most of the Pokemon can learn this attack without being as weak as the Ice type mons, like most of the Water type mons.
Aron is one of my favourite pre evolution Pokemon and Aggron was and absolute unit on my team's growing up. You guys can keep your flying fire lizards because Aggron is my Charizard
Aggron is one of my all times favourite pokemon, As soon as a mega form was announced it took me ages to breed a Shiny Aron but I did, I still used him on my team now!
I used Mega Aggron in Gen 7 UU. It made for a pretty solid defensive core with Florges.
So one of the things I would do to the rock type is remove its ground weakness and add a resistance to rock which would certainly make Aggron a bit more viable
God, Aggron is one of my favorite moms and if he could just have been a pure Steel or Steel Dragon, he could have been much better. Even now, give him an HP buff and he’d be up a tier
Steel dragon? There's only one Mon that is that and its a cover legendary, dialga
Steel dragon is reserved for super ubers at this point
I don't believe a small hp buff would make it NU or PUBL Regular Agrons typing just hurts it
Its a rock type for a reason
@3:29 "Our steel plated Barney" LOL I love it!
When you come to it and you can't break through it and you can't knock it down, you know that you've found
*THE WALL*
Ah, HERE we go.. I am now content.
Aggron's always been niche, I'll definitely agree on that, but there's really no arguing with that head smash.. by which I mean *don't* argue with that head smash because unless you're rolling a tank to hell, you will regret. Add in the rock polish and type coverage it has (seriously, go look at the moveset on this monster, it's nuts. He glossed over Ice Beam, why does it even learn Ice Beam? And that's just barely scratching the surface.) and sure, it's probably not winning VGC, but you'll dominate the games in general pretty well when you run it. It's practically a staple by endgame when I'm running it, and far from a slouch in that department, too.
Though I don't actually like the Mega's design much.
Why would one use ice beam though? Ice punch would be more effective seeing as its attacking stats favor physical.
Ice Beam was mentioned because it is stronger than Ice Punch, and prior to Gen 4, all Ice moves were Special.
Aggron used to be my favorite pokemon when I was little. If only it was a pure steel type.
For my first EVER competitive team I decided to use Aggron as one of the special attackers along side Sceptile so this video might really help me out for competitive team building.
But why use a special set for aggron a pokemon with 60 special attack or you’re using it as a bulky physical attacker?
Aggron is my number one favorite pokemon. My first pokemon I owned was an Aron that my older sister caught with me teaching me how to catch pokemon. I held on to that Aggron for years and years, got it transferred to Soul Silver then.... lost that game at a hotel. I had every contest ribbon, every obtainable 4th gen ribbon for it, all of the elite 4's completed with it, and was a monster at defeating Red atop mt. Silver. When I get my urge to go back into competitive play the first mon I think of using is Aggron even though it is rough to build for.
I'll always miss you, Dino Dude.