Are you setting up your dado stack wrong? (Some clever tips)
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- čas přidán 24. 04. 2020
- Even old pros will learn something from these tips!
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The "add a drop of oil to the shims" tip alone made it worth watching!!
One tip to add on (if others upvote it as true, since I'm relatively new to this) - high quality dado stacks are expensive but poor quality ones are a bummer. You can find a balance by buying a high quality set in a smaller size. I have a great 6" dado set. It still allows plenty of depth of cut for me and cuts very clean but was only about as much as a lower-end, larger-size set.
As usual you provide good ideas. Even for someone who has owned a dado set 40 years.
You think to everything and present it slow and calm. You were born to teach
Thanks so much, James. I've had this very problem with my shims so I ordered a set of magnetic ones just now. I have a nice dado stack that I seldom use because of my fear of boogering up my arbor threads with the tight fitting, slipping shims. I switched to a Ridge Carbide blade last month and love it. I also located a very good sharpener within driving distance and had them sharpen my original SawStop blade as a back up. I'll be making perfect dados by the weekend. :)
Thank You. I noticed the link after I posted the question. I have already put in my order.
Your web site is very good. I learn something every time I watch one of your videos.
Great tip I don’t know why I had not heard of doing the stack before putting it on the saw. Also making a stack jig of various dado widths. Thank you for the help.
Great info. Right to the point, and packed with information. Also picked up the mag shims! Thank you
Thanks. Didn't know about the magnetic shims. Very cool
Thanks much, Stumpy. Informative as usual. I always learn something new that is helpful. Worth my time, friend.
Man, your tips are always top notch, most reliable!
Excellent pointers ! You always come through with great info.
Wow, great information. I don't have a dado set yet, but this inspired me to get a good set. With this info I now know what features to look for.
It is worth saving up and getting a really good set. Some cheap sets do OK, but once you use a really nice one you'll understand what I mean :)
Stumpy. This is my first time trying a Dado Stack and this was SO helpful. THANK YOU!!!
Going to use mine for the first time tomorrow. Now I am not so scared to do so. Thanks James
I thought I knew all I needed to know about setting up my dado stack. Boy was I wrong. Thanks again James!
Clear, concise and I love the idea of using shims in the too wide groove to figure out what you need - that was slick. I did make the "master gauge" board one day long ago and that has been slick to just drop on the test piece, find the perfect fit and then I just read the setup and install. Takes a bit to make one, but better joinery in the end.
Thank you! I’ve always had a hard time getting my dados set up
Good video, I agree with always doing a test cut. Already have an 8" Freud Safety dado & an Irwin wobble dado I use on lumber only. What a difference between the two.
Thank you for the tips. I've been avoiding using my dado stack because it's such a pain in the ass, and now I know I have a crappy dado set. So I will use your link and get a good stack and use your advice for set up. I feel more optimistic now. Thank you.👍
What was your crappy set and what problem did you have? Uneven bottoms?
Did you find a quality set fixed your hassles?
Watched this years ago, kept struggling through to get my metal shims on and off the arbor, saw them deform, and the last straw was when that deformity cut me (minor but oh so annoying). Ordered the magnetic ones today. I recalled this video and knew then as I know now - you are right. Thanks.
This vid will certainly make dados easier. Thanks
You’re the best, Stumpy! Thank you for your excellent videos.
Welcome to "shelter in place" education! Let's welcome Dr. James Hamilton! Professor emeritus, department chair, Dean and since he's alone in the shop, head custodian.
Excellent class, sir!
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Some excellent tips! Thanks James.
Great information! I absolutely agree with always doing a test cut.
Your videos are extremely helpful! Thank you!
Great tip on the magnetic shims, I also like the larger diameter than the stock ones. My method ( I stole it, I'm not that smart): I eyeball the thickness plus a bit, making sure a have a few shims in the stack. I then cut a loose test dado. Then I do a test fit, and add shims from the stack, until I have the desired tightness. I then leave out the shims I used for the fit, reassemble the dado stack, and go. That way, I also don't need to worry if I have a little runout on the saw, or seasonal humidity changes.
You give so much useful info. Thanks.
Great video. Thanks for the link on the shims
Nice video and thanks for the discount code. Just ordered those magnetic shims.
I just cut a dado for the first time. I went though the measurements just like in the video. The cut was okay, but testing is really required to get a good cut for both depth and width - i.e. for a T-Track. My shims are not magnetic with oversize centre holes. When I took the stack apart, there was a tiny wicker sticking out of the centre rim, which meant it had been crimped during make up. I thought I felt it - and yes it was. I really do like your videos. And this particular one is built on numbers and that is something I like.
Very helpful, thank you. (I just bought my first table saw yesterday)
Thanks so much for this video. It was very informative.
This video was very informative, thanks for answering my questions
Great tip about the magnetic shims.
Always look forward to you videos. Thanks for the great tips.
Thanks love your channel, all the way from South Africa.
Good tips, thank you for sharing.
Thanks for the great tips! Between WWMM and you I am becoming a woodworker!
Good info James, thanks for sharing with us. Fred.
AH the tip I saw in the last one ........AND MORE! Always new things to learn.
Right off the top Thank you, Thank you for your video, incredible detail, very informative, Excellent CLOSE-UPS in regards to what it is you're explaining. That pointer is EXTREMELY HELPFUL in showing precisely what it is and looks like. I'm very new to your CZcams Channel and haven't gone through all of your., again helpful videos. Question for you; If you haven't already done so, I'm having difficulty trying to attach my Incra Miter Slider, Glide Lock Steel runner special edition, many, many types and styles to make them from. Screw and or glue what to do. Time permitting for yourself love to see it actually done right. Thank you. Cheers!
The thickness chart that came with my Freud set is "short" across the entire recommended range. It seems to be gauged off of plywood's undersized settings, so when the chart says 3/4" it actually means '3/4" plywood'. Unfortunately, this means all of the sizes in between are under-sized, which is annoying when you're working with something like 12mm baltic birch ply, or hardwood planed down manually to a specific thickness.
Great lesson. Thank you
I bought my set second-hand and it didn't come with a chart. This tutorial is invaluable. Thanks again for teaching me how to use the tools that I have better.
Great video, thanks for the tips!
FYI looks like your using a Sawstop in this video. On my Freud dado stack I had that problem with the arbor not being long enough. I called Sawstop Technical and the engineer told me it’s fine to leave the arbor washer off when using a stack. He said that the arbor washer is only for stability when using a saw blade and really isn’t needed using a dado stack. Yeah I have issues with the shim washer fallen between the threds, good tip and I’ll check out magnetic shims, thanks
Great information, thanks!
Great tutorial, thanks. WWMM recommended your video.
Great info; Thanks! Just when I thought I've mastered dado set up ....
Good informative video. Thank you. I can hardly stop myself from getting a dado set but I must buy a table saw first don't I. Or, build the table saw myself because that I can do without owning a table saw.
Great tip on the oil!
Glad you liked it!!
Thanks for this James, I've been looking for a dado stack that actually cuts a flat bottom dado without the grooves. Yes, I'm suffering from a crappy dado set. The board with the dados cut to use as a chart is a great idea.
I have the Ridge Carbide Super Dado Master (the one with the solid chippers and can't be used on Sawstops) and get a beautiful cut, though there are still batwings from the edges the groove itself is quite good.
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Very helpful! Thank you.
Great video
Another great video! Thanks. I subscribed and hit the bell.
You don’t really need any other woodworking videos than these. But I do like to watch them all, even though I’ve been at it 60 years. In the bad old days self taught meant buying books.
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A lot of good info, great video!
good tips thanks
Wow such cool tips!
Super helpful!
Thank you Sir!
Man, you're amazing !
Thank You Bud👍
Thanks!
good video thanks
Thanks for the tips. I already own a Freud dado set, but I’m going to buy those magnetic shims. You may be interested to know that Ridge Carbide is the only store I could find that sells magnetic shims for dados.
great tips
I saw someone wearing a tool vest, could you show more about that and other ways to carry tools around.
I learned alot from this video
Great video and also nice denim jacket ;)
I had a weird mishap with my dado set. I had made a cut and when my saw was spinning down, the arbor nut came loose and the dado blade dropped off inside the saw. What the heck? So I put them back on, tightened the nut really tight. And it happened again! I figured out that one of the shims must have nested in valley of the arbor thread as you mentioned. This prevented the assembly from being snugly nested together. Dumb, but hopefully I won't make that mistake again.
Could you do a video giving your opinions on which table saw you would recommend for a beginning woodworker that can grow with them as they advance in skill?
Thank You ! Finally , useful and extremely helpful info on dado blades.
I have been using my cheap dado set for years,,Never had a problem setting them up,,All i do is count the blades,,,each blade is 1/8th inch thick. I built all my kitchen cabinets using my dado set
Unfortunately, I live in the UK and because of EU 'Elf and Safety, Dado stacks are not allowed. But I always watch videos like this because you usually cover other things that are not included in the title, and I don't want to miss those.
Check out the router vs table saw dado video linked below this one.
I live in England use one as and when I need to stuff the eu not in it anymore
Hey Stumpy great tutorial. Have you ever done a video on calculating and cutting compound angles? I’m hoping to build some planters that are trapezoidal in shape need compound cuts is there a simple way?
thank you
I picked up a of vintage Vermont American dado setin pretty good condition for 10$ I hope they work good
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magnet spacers! awesome! how is Your hand? just did a number on my ring finger and thought of You, buy the bye Yours was very bad
mine is just plain bad(crushed)! watch those big rocks owch.....broken with 6 stiches.
Getting 10% not 25.00?
@@katherinemorris6480 - The line above that says you save $25 is for the dado set. The dado set is $250. 10% of 250 is $25.
excellent one more time
Always love your videos. I do have to say though, that I'm not a big fan of Ridge Carbide. Based on your recommendation I went a little nuts several years ago. I bought a dado set, a 12" miter blade, a rip blade and general purpose tablesaw blade, as well as a specialty dovetail blade. I've been quite disappointed with the performance of all of these blades. They dull much faster than the Forrest or Freud blades I've used in the past and even when brand new the cuts weren't as smooth and often burned. After a few years of use I can honestly say that they were one of the most disappointing purchases I've ever made.
LOVE YOUR VIDS Stumpy,, question,, what would be causing tear out when I'm making a box joint jig with brand new Freud dado stack? No one has addressed this on CZcams
Kinda late in the day I guess ... but ...!!!
Great video ... but does not address an issue I've run into ... and have learned others have same problem. IF your table saw arbor has only a 'limited' straight shank before threaded area, you will easily end up being forced to install dado stacks over or into the treaded portion of the shaft. I struggled with this as a major problem in executing box joints. Since the misalignment is only slight, it typically causes little problem for large dados .... but can royally screw up smaller scale dados. Due to the slightly misaligned blades in the dado stack, You will end up with a slight offset or irregular surface at the bottom of the dado which causes the box joint to not seat fully, and leaves an unsightly gap in the joint. This is not a perfect fix, but I've begun using a 5/8th high-grade, hardened steel, quality machine bolt with an inch or more straight shank. I insert that into the dado set, then (I know, big potential for problems ... so has to be done carefully!) clamp the set, near the edge. Then pull the bolt out, and properly install the clamped set onto the saw arbor. This holds the dado set in near perfect alignment, until you can run the saw shaft nut down on the set. Remove the clamp .... and done. Works for me. Box joints all coming out perfect now.
Thank you for the great info! Can you please do a video explaining the five speeds on my router? I have a Porter router and an incra lift/table.
Router speed settings are mostly used to adjust for larger bits, which can not be spun as fast as smaller ones. You can find charts about bit speeds online. While speed does affect the cut itself (too fast can lead to scorching) that factor is usually compensated for by how quickly or slowly you feed your stock. We may do a tip video on it...
Stumpy Nubs thank you!
I like the video and I like the deal witch stumpy(sorry James) has going on with them but Ridge carbide is 20 minutes down the road from me good people the price is reasonable but comparing the dado price you can get the Olshlun stack for half the price with the same quality ....and flat bottom grooves you make the rocking world go on
Olshlun isn't even close to the same quality. I own two Olshlun sets. I wouldn't even put them on the same level as my Diablo set! One of them literally had several teeth fall off!
Oslhlun or oldham and this is my thing forest and ridge carbide are not far apart
Thanks James I'm kinda new to this type of woodworking and I have a question, can I use a outer blade and just one chipper blade to get the right cut. I'm working with 3/16" Luan. Thanks
Hi! I found your video looking for solutions to my uneven dado cuts. I have a Dewalt set that does not seem to make a smooth bottom.
Could this just be the quality of my dado or is there something I am doing wrong?
I thought I’d ask a pro before buying another $200+ Dado set. Such a valuable tool, certainly worth the cash for a quality set.
Great tips, thanks. $249.95 for this dado set is little too steep for me.
I finally picked up w used dado set that seemed to be in good shape. I have one chipper that seems to be hitting a little higher than the other blades. Any ideas on why this could be? Bad chipper? Could a spacer cause this?
Hi Stumpy Nubs,
Were you purposefully posing in front of that background - to have Batman ears?
Good video!
Norman Carnahan Batman ears , your right!
James, You do an amazing job in all your videos. The safety tips are always appreciated. Question. I have an old delta table saw. Should I but wood or melamine throat plates and cut through them with different width dato stacks to create a tight fit around my most commonly used dato stacks? Thanks, Al
I don't think you need a tight, zero-clearance fit for a dado stack, but it nice to eliminate any large gap so nothing slips down inside. I have one for narrow stacks (1/4-1/2) and another for larger stacks (5/8+)
Ok, I am taking the plunge. My elder Wabble bkade is a lot of work trial and error and not all that tidy.
Great video, as usual, I'm also glad to see from this video, and some past ones, your hand seems to be getting better. Your mobility looks more fluid even. Hopefully the pain has subsided. Keep up the good work and avoid angle-grinder-chain-saw discs!
Which size dado set 6" or 8' would be best for a Skil jobsite table saw with 8 1/4 blade
Commenting to help the algorithm. :)
Help! I want to upgrade my miter fence for my table saw. But it has T slots, with the bottom 1/4" but the top is a hair smaller. I wanted to use Incra MITERV27 Miter V27 Miter Gauge but the top of the slots prevents that. Is their a workaround? P.S. I have a Ryobi 10" contractors saw
You can probably figure out how many times I've dwelled on this video. Research continues but, I'm an angel's whisper away from Ridge.
I got the Ridge 8" Super. This thing means business. Thanks for the coupon code (or, whatever it's called) it worked!