@@Jackkef technically you're not wrong, from what I've heard one of the people high up in the association that controls Olympics is financially interested in some or all of these games
Hey. Just dance is a legit competitive esport with athletes, casters, rules and international competitions. Just because it's not the kind of games that you play doesn't mean they're not hard, electronic or sports.
@@terry_the_terrible Maybe it is, but we aren't talking about "e-sports" but "esports" which means games like CS:GO, Dota 2, League of Ledgends, Valorant, Rainbow Six (Siege most of the time), heck even Call of Duty, games that have large mediatised competitions and with a very competitive nature, *on a computer*
@@attilavs2 none of that matter they wouldn't be in it who the f in their mind will put a game with guns with the olympics? Dota and league nobody will understand, the only thing that would be good was Sports and fighting game and they choose the worst one. Anyway we all know they do this because of money, people who thought eSports would taken seriously in olympics are delusional
@@xNemesis_ they want to implement electonic sports, and say " Yeah but now esports is on the olympics, watch that" when it has nothing close to esports, and profit
The cycling e-sport Zwift is going to literally just be top-level professional cyclists winning. It measures your direct cycling power output, so the fittest cyclist should win. I don't really understand the point, honestly. There's already the cycling competition in the actual olympics.
I know right. Luke clearly doesn't know Matthew Hayman's Paris- Roubaix win last 2016. Zwift greatly helped him after an accident 5 weeks before that classic.
Sure. Everybody knows one 270 km-6 hour (road racing) effort suits the exact kind of athlete as 3 short time-high intensity efforts (esports worlds from a month ago). Of course the same rider will win both.
Yes, whoever wins would be capable of racing both, but not winning both as it does favor a rather different cyclist. Zwift has far less tactics involved, so it will largely be the strongest person will win. In road cycling racing, bike handling matters far more as well as reading the field to know when to push hard vs recover. I honestly think Zwift or chess is the least bad of the choices here, at least both already have a competitive scene around them.
@Carlos Bermúdez doesn't mean it'll be the same cyclist, but it'll very likely be a top level pro cyclist who also does pro level criterium racing or indoor track racing, which is similar to what you described.
Well Linus and Luke kinda missed the point that this is just some random event held by the IOC. Also for cycling you qualify via the Zwift Grand Prix and the UCI Cycling Esports World Championships. The people participating there aren't exactly top-level professional cyclists.
@@resyntax Im sorry to bust your bubble. But thats realistically how it works out here in SEA. Personal relationships and connections are half the battle.
@@jewelplate Just wanted to give a heads-up: high probability that the person you responded to already knows that. They are using the language of sarcasm
Honestly it seems like the games they chose are all just the companies that paid them the most, these are such bizarre choices, but that at least makes more sense. You bring up a good point about the companies having close relationships to governing bodies. I wonder if that also could be it
Surely, League of frikkin Legends big daddy Tencent could have easily outbid any of these joke companies. Same could be said for Blizzard especially with the upcoming acquisition by Microsoft. Even Epic Games should have more budget than any of the companies behind the selected games. It's pretty blatantly obvious that the IOC did this to protect the monopoly of its member federations by making the selected titles fall under the umbrella of existing sports categories. We won't see any real e-sports until IOC recognizes the International Esports Federation (IESF) as a member.
Excactly this, like the Tic Tak Bow game will be downloaded by millions and will get a lot of money in revenue just because of a lot of peolpe have the dream to become an olympian. At the same time this will be a completly new level of cheating because people will figure out how to get an aimbot etc
gran turismo actually veers on the side of realism and.. logic in the direction of motorsports though. they would be better with iRacing but gran turismo isn't the worst
IOC: "We're doing eSports!" Us: "Oh cool, what competitive games do you have?" IOC: "...there are competitive games?" Us: "...what...what do you think sports ARE?"
That alone is such a red flag, the Council that chooses sports can't follow their own instructions and requirements for what a sport is. Bring a dictionary and a detective cuz money definitely changed hands
I think they missed a massive opportunity not having VR games in the Olympics, its the perfect crossover between gaminess and physicality. Games like Beat Saber, Echo VR (RIP), Gorilla Tag and any of the sim shooter combat games would have been an amazing fit.
One of the people in the committee works for the company that makes most of those pay to win games (and that karate game that uses a console you could only get from a kickstarter a year ago)
Zwift racing is already recognized by the world cycling federation, UCI. There are official world championships e-sport racing and the winners and their avatars get to wear the official UCI world championship rainbow jersey. Zwift also is a big sponsor of actual road cycling, being the headline sponsor of the Tour de France Femmes. There is a lot of overlap with road racing (though not with track racing), but it is slightly different, like there is a lot of overlap between the different swimming and running events.
Yeah sure, but if the objective was to broaden horizons and include different types of sports, Zwift doesn't tick any of those boxes. The equivalent would be including a marginally different type of stroke in swimming, it's not increasing the inclusivity of the games, nor widening opportunities for upcoming athletes. It's a proper garbage decision. Especially for the forms of biking that remain unrepresented in the olympics, whilst this is....
This is beyond insane. But really, the dance category should be expanded to include more rhythm games and measure an "e-athlete's" prowess across all of them. There's plenty to choose from that can accurately score players.
I love how you can tell that only the most out of touch, dinosaur-brained codgers picked these games. You know multiple people in a meeting stood up and said, "But we don't have that as an event at the regular Olympics!" whenever someone tried to bring up something people actually play. I can almost excuse the corruption as just an extension of this incompetence, where one of these dinosaurs decided they'd make a game about an Olympic sport to fill a "gap". I know in years previous the committee had expressed apprehension about including any games that involve direct competition between entrants as well, but this is absurd.
Virtual taekwondo is literally people fighting against someone via a computer. It's very similar to the cycling one. It's literally just fighting with out hitting
Just Dance is a great game series! And it's something physical closer to real dance sports. That said, I don't believe it should be Olympic. I agree that DDR would be so much better!
Or the upgrade, DanceRush... or honestly Beat Saber, another physically active rhythm action game that is globally known just not accessible without VR
Just Dance already has a competitive scene where it was showcased on the Paris ESW. It's typically judged with 3 judges and participants have to reproduce the choreography on the screen as close as possible. Using judges also removes the issue of different body types and height not syncing to the sensors.
My favorite ddr performance is still Monty Oum. He would legitimately just full on dance, arms and all. And still be hitting the arrows perfectly somehow. Always looked more impressive than someone just holding onto the railings and moving their feet
I didn't realise he was so good, but it makes sense with how great an animator he was. He clearly understood how people move and how to make it appealing *really* well.
I think they did a bunch of weird games no one's heard of before (with a few notable ones just so they seem like they know what they're doing) to try and make eSports look dumb...like a bunch of 60+ year olds who scoffed at the idea of "Competitive Video Games" were like "Oh, lets show the world how stupid they are and pick mobile games no one's ever heard of!'
There’s 0% chance it’s not a corruption situation, it’s the IOC after all. I mean, how would dumb boomers who scoff at the idea of eSports know to pick TicTacBow which was a recent release?
@@isingra Fair enough...and let's say my situation is "what's actually happening"...if you get asked to pick some of the worst games for a specific sport/genre (so someone comes up to you and says "We need video games in these categories that just suck/would be stupid to have a competitive nature to them.") for thousands of dollars...would you not do it?
@@blindfire3167 Sure if I got asked to pick some of the worst games of a specific sport/genre I would do so, but the odds that I'd go to a game that literally came out the day before I was asked to are pretty slim. I'd probably look at older Wii titles for that since they had just about everything on the Wii.
Right like 2 of the games are produced by one of the guys on the board who selected the games. And the taekwondo one you are only able to play it on a specific kickstarter console that the board member made?
Imagine if it was ddr and these professionals athletes who are in the finals can choose their own song “custom songs” that can be dlc after the olympics like the specific Olympic chosen songs sounds like a big win for olympics and for ddr
Yes, such a missed opportunity. All for a short-term gain. I mean, if they go that route, everybody wins. DDR (or its clones) already have a legit competitive scene, and they're a very well-known brand, so the viewers get to see the players' skill on display, just like an actual sport. As a matter of fact, it IS a sport, with all the hallmarks of a sport - skill, physical exertion, and ruleset. The only thing different is that it's not an organized sport. The IOC also wins, because of merchandizing opportunity. Only this time, merchandizing would be much simpler because half of it is just the songs/tracks they use (the other might be customized pads, sneakers etc.). Absolutely moronic move by the IOC here.
Don't forget that this is the 5th or 6th official Just Dance World Cup and the first to be in the Olympics. So there is history of official competitive Just Dance.
If the IOC were smart they would hire developers to make consistent, olympic themed clones of popular esports games (or work with the companies to create forks that are controlled by the IOC.)
- Too expensive for the IOC. - Publishers won't be that kind to allow a fork, even for the IOC. It's too generous to share that kind of profit. At most they would like sponsor and have some partnership in-game stuffs like Capcom's Olympic skins for SFV. - I argue popularity is a really shitty metric for what kind of game you should be including. There is no guarantee that even if a "popular" esports is included in the Olympics, that it will actually bring that audience in anyway. Spectatorship is not the same as popularity, because you need to remember that a lot of games are popular to play, but not necessarily to watch. - You're right about IOC wanting control, that's kinda why they chose these companies who are willing to be controlled by them in terms of presentation and ruleset.
+1 for Olympic DDR/beatmania. Could have a subcategory for sight-reading, where it's based on the competitor's ability to read a completely new step pattern on the fly.
If you think about it, Zwift and outdoor cycling are about as similar as iRacing and IRL racing. They both try to provide a simulation of the real thing. So I'm not sure why one would sound like a good idea and the other wouldn't.
Availability is a big factor, most people can buy a bike and ride it around town or on a road, but very few can buy a racecar and drive it around track. Proper sim car setups do cost a bit, but a cheap wheel/pedals and a ps4 will get you far. With cycling you could buy a bike for less than the zwift machine and get a better experience.
Am i missing something or how is iraceing even nearly as strenuous as real racing? Mabe if you have the 10k+ actuated racing setup, but else it mostly focuse on skill alone. Depending on the rules you could even compete with a joystick so nearly everyone could compete. Zwift it looks like you need the physical abilities like on a real bike as you have to paddle and it responds how fast you go with how fast you peddle.
@@OmegaF77 that's my whole point? Every game on a high level is mentaly strenuous, even something like tetris or super Mario. Irl racing physical - iracing skill/concentration Irl cycling physical - Zwift physical If Zwift needs the same skillset irl vs virtual why even bother?
I really wish that instead of Just dance, that maybe they went with ddr or even Beat Saber. Beat saber maps can get to be very complex and very skill based. I feel like the Just Dance competition will literally just be luck of the draw with whoever's joycon seems to be working the best that day.
Virtual regatta is amazing for a sailing game. Sailing is like a chess match but they already have sailing, actual sailing... Not even sure virtual regatta models taking wind from opponents
They probably went for grand Turismo because of money. But a little bit of me hopes it because it's a stable game as opposed to a lot of these "true" simracers are
I think people who hold up Project Cars and the F1 franchise as cutting edge driving simulators should probably reserve their judgement on Gran Turismo as a competitive game.
eBaseball Powerful Pros isn't a MTX filled mobile game like the others he listed, it's a major console game made by Konami, but it's Japanese only and follows the Nippon Professional Baseball league. It should be compared to Gran Turismo and Just Dance imo. They made two games for the MLB called MLB Power Pros and MLB Power Pros 2008 that were really good. I haven't played the new Japanese-only games, and I definitely haven't heard of this latest release being shown at the Olympics (apparently it's a very limited version of the full 2022 release sold for cheap for this Olympics push) but as far as I can tell there's traditionally been 0 MTX in these games (which is rare for a console sports game). People have been calling for English localizations for a while even if it doesn't follow the MLB, because it's considered to be that good of a game.
Nah look the game up that’s a whole mobile game it be 1 dollar and it don’t got anyone streaming it anywhere it don’t even show up anywhere but twitch and only 200 ppl even follow it 😭😭
@@taystoner7144 As I said, the version in the Olympics (WBSC eBaseball: Power Pros) is a very cut down version of the full game that they're selling for $1 to make it accessible. And it's not on mobile. The full game, eBaseball Powerful Pro Yakyuu 2022, is a full priced Japan-only game, part of a series that dates back to 1994 on the SNES, and released yearly or biyearly ever since. The franchise has its own Wikipedia article, it's not hard to look up. You probably should have done that before bothering to reply.
@@Falcon4224 why you still defendin a whole game where they ain’t even got legs I guarantee you no one would even wanna play dat if they had the bread for mlb the show not my fault they broke
@@Falcon4224 and that game only got 5k followers on twitch 😂😂mlb the show got 65k and they come out wit a whole new game every single year 🤦🏾♂️there ain’t no comp
@@Falcon4224 that game only got 5k followers on twitch 😂😂mlb the show got 65k and they come out wit a whole new game every single year 🤦🏾♂️there ain’t no comp nd you can tell you lost the argument when you try to bring up how it’s betta than 2k 😭ain’t no one played 2k since 2k20
Fre video idea spawned from this episode. "1v1 me bro!" Machine, which is an arcade style machine with two controllers and some eSports type games pre loaded. You can challenge members of the crew to settle debates!
That would actually make good content. Linus' team has the capability to engineer their own arcade machine, so it's very doable. For the core, it can be a gaming PC, or something like a RaspPi 4. Get two arcade controllers attached, and do a side-by-side camera view for the audience. The game doesn't even have to be something serious, as long as it's entertaining enough for a couch co-op. Everyone UPVOTE THIS GUY NOW!!!!!
Glad you caught the iRacing v Project Cars swap. Project cars is miserable for simulation quality. The only sim racing games you see racing drivers playing regularly are iRacing, Asseto Corsa (mostly because of the mod capabilities, and occasionally the F1 games. But iRacing is so far ahead of everything else, it's just hard to compare.
This is what I felt. GT7 isn’t a bad sim for the amount of vehicles and car collecting nature of the game. But we already know the sim that the FIA and other racing organizations would pick, the only real option for realism is iRacing.
That said, GT7 isnt bad in terms of physics. Not the best choice but its no travesty. It was probably chosen because its a more recognizable name, and because of the pre-existing E-sport series being well integrated into the same making execution very easy. ACC would have been a better choice imo. Better BoP and probably the best GT car physics of any simulator. The biggest problem with E-sports sim racing is that anti-cheat doesn't really exist. So maybe in that respect a console title is better.
Zwift is already used for a e sport world championship and the winners are not the pro level cyclists because they don't care and the tactics and strength requirements are a bit different
I would have actually loved if Farming Simulator made it into the Olympics it’s just the kind of bonkers and far from reality type of Esport that would be great to grab attention. And the Farm SIM E Sport Community is already pretty big so you would have a great base.
Tic Tac Bow doesn't even shoot the same type of bow in the Olympics. Olympics uses Olympic style recurve but tic Tac Bow uses compound bows which the IOC refuse to add as a legitimate Archery style even though target compound bow archery is by far more popular with a bigger commercial manufacturer industry behind it.
i still remember having watched Linus's Mouse review of a Corsair mmo gaming mouse that had ergonomic thumb buttons. he was a kid really. but his enthusiasm was quite convincing. i subbed that day and bought the mouse, which i used for years until it fell apart. still miss this mouse.
This unfortunately just feels like them trying to avoid having to actually take it seriously in the future. "Well hey we tried it that one year, remember? And nobody signed up or even cared in the slightest, which means that people just don't like watching e-sports."
They could have used Wii Sport and Wii Sport resort for legit everything, for dancing Beat Saber would have been fun and for maximal fun, chess should have been the 5d chess with time travel game from steam or how ever it is called
About Just Dance - I think we all imagine people dancing before their kinect devices. However it will be like 6 years by the time of the olimpics, since Kinect was discontinued. I seriously doubt Microsoft will create just a few dozens of new kinect devices only for the olympics. This means that Just Dance will also be played using mobile phones which is just plainly stupid
It has to be a spectator sport that everyone can just understand. DDR is just dancing, with direction. That's good. A fighting game too. Easy concept to understand.
The virtual taekwondo is made by Refract Technologies. They had a showcase of it at the commonwealth esports games but that was about it. Its most likely a modded dev branch of the kickstarter game FreeStrikers.
The arms behind on the bar is a crutch for ddr. Its a sign of a ddr player that is at the cusp of truely understanding the game. The game is a language you speak with your body. Learning the game means learning the language, which is teaching your body to fluidly execute common move sets automatically while just barely keeping your eye on the screen, then as you increase the difficulty you learn how to deal with variations to those basic move sets and how to slowly increase the speed and complexity of each set. The hardest difficulties require that you know the basic and variations of the move sets perfectly then subtley edits them and cancels at odd times turning both requiring your fluency and then turning it against you as you struggle to switch gears from a move set you have tone thousands of times.
I used to be an e-sports admin like way back in the day. I still cannot grasp the "need" to take the virtual version of an actual existing sport and make that an e-sport (fifa, cycling, ...) That's like the most boring shit ever. You have the imagination of thousands of game companies at your fingertips and you choose the most boring option....
At 9:30 when they’re talking about how the Olympics were already pay to win they forgot to mention which country pays to dope the best! 😂 Every country is guilty of that one!
My question is: who are the pros that are qualified to play these games? Like, is there a tic-tac-bow pro scene? Are they just going to have actual archery Olympians playing that game?
Honestly I've been hopping for eSports Olympic for some time now, because in CSGO, France could have a really good team. And now that it's here I'm completely disappointed and I think almost nobody will watch or go to the eSports Olympic. You would've thought that they would include competitive games but no. How hard would it have been to ask people who know competitive eSports and just take the games that they give you. Anybody knowing gaming could give a pretty good list of games that would be ok. Like just having CSGO, league of legends, sport games (fifa, NHL, MLB, NFL, NBA), beat saber, SSB, Pavlov, fall guys, speedrunners, trackmania. It didn't even take me 20 minutes and I already have a list of games that could make some good Olympics. And for some of these, I just opened my steam library and looked, they could have gone to the most popular games on steam and get some good games from there too. They will understand how stupid this move was once the first organized one will be passed, they will lose so much money on that.
e-sports should really be on par with Chess, not Sports... as a former air rifle competition participant, my sport was more mental than it was physical but it still required the marksman to be fit of body. its a sport someone fat can exell in as i've personally whitnessed it, although usually its larger women who do better than frail men.
if the point is the highest score, then the just dance competitive meta would be a static person just moving his phone to the necessary place so it assumes that you did the right thing and get you a perfect score
Sim games would be so could, like you could bring in games like DCS (Digital Combat Simulator) where people fly super realistic 1 to 1 jets and have them dogfight.
3 of the games are made by a company headed by 1 guy on the committee responsible for picking the games for this not sus at all in regards to swift, the same can be said for rowing but they have full on indoor erg world championships so it makes sense to have an indoor virtual cycling
If they are just gonna make anything a Olympic sport now, how about paintball/airsoft? You could make that interesting to watch, maybe even with live views from the players.
I dont remember where I heard it but something to do with tic-tac-bow and another of the games developed by the same company that were chosen where owned by some person related with the IOC?
Zwift will bring all the subgenres of cycling together at least. w/kg matters, but there is also a bit of strategy. So ya more than likely a professional cyclist will win, but will it be a velodrome rider, tri-athlete, road racer, mountain biker... etc. As someone whos on Zwift and a mountain biker, I'm actually excited to see what happens.
I think i could understand it if the IOC developed their own versions of games. Sports in general are quite regulated in terms of rules, but these games are, well not.
And here I thought we'll get one extra event of international League of Legends every four years. We always wished for one, having only a very limited MSI cup and Worlds is sad.
The technological development of sport driven by (rich countries in) the Olympics increases the precision of measuring techniques and human performance. Do any of the games and input methods on this list stand to develop technologically in the next fifteen years from the increased attention that being in the Olympics brings?
Rocket League would be perfect! It's easily understandable by non-gaming audience. Soccor + cars, easy. Want to make it more interesting to watch? Have them control the game using a driving wheel like a proper racing game.
I think the reason they ultimately didn't chose Rocket League because it's not a very close clone of an existing sports (which seems to be their goal with this?).
@@faradise3819 But they did chose clones of other existing sports... The virtual taekwondo, the archery thing, the sailing, they are all pretty close to regular sports.
Echo VR should have been an Olympic sport, instead Meta is deleting it from existence. It would be MILES better and more exciting to watch than a lot of existing Olympic sports.
Strange some of those games being recently listed and the ones releasing have developer connections with certain members of the Olympic council... Nah! Just sheer coincidence those were picked!
The (unfortunate) thing is, it actually kind of makes sense that they're so focused on mobile games, with a few exceptions. Sports are a common denominator between large groups of people - whether or not you're a professional athlete, you probably know and recognize most olympic sports. Across all people in general, PC/console gaming is far more niche than mobile gaming, even if the actual quality of the games is in general much higher. From a pure business standpoint, it makes sense to go with the games that have the largest potential audience. It's just a shame when we know there are actual interesting and engaging esports experiences out there.
Tic-Tac-Bow had 500 Downloads at the time of the announcement. Not 500mil, but just 500. The more sensible option would be Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games.
Honestly everyone is missing the biggest benefit here becoming an Olympian for Esports.. you might be able to stay in the same dorms as the rest of the athletic Olympians. They throw away Con Domes as fast as they possibly can there, it’s the best looking best in shape people in the world all thrown into one area for an extended period of time, after they’ve been isolated from friends and family and SO’s for years and years. Its no kept secret that they basically have a big OJ of Olympian’s the entire time it happens, so get your fingers clicking for E-chess boys and girls! Edit: literally cannot even say the real word thanks to how censored CZcams comments are now, so just imagine what I’m trying to say, you get it. Thanks YT 1984/2023.
I think they misunderstood the term "esports." It isn't electronic versions of sports.
I think we misunderstood the term "esports" in Olymipics. It isn't electronic sport, but a new way to get money and corrupt.
its like they did absolutely 0 market research because there is no way you miss the mark this bad
@@Jackkef technically you're not wrong, from what I've heard one of the people high up in the association that controls Olympics is financially interested in some or all of these games
@@the_undead yeah, I could see that
@@the_undead its the same company ceo that makes that archery game and taekwando console.
The saddest thing for me is that millions of people will think that this really is esports
Hey. Just dance is a legit competitive esport with athletes, casters, rules and international competitions.
Just because it's not the kind of games that you play doesn't mean they're not hard, electronic or sports.
@@terry_the_terrible I can imagine the standing ovation when someone hits a shot in tiktacbow
@@terry_the_terrible Maybe it is, but we aren't talking about "e-sports" but "esports" which means games like CS:GO, Dota 2, League of Ledgends, Valorant, Rainbow Six (Siege most of the time), heck even Call of Duty, games that have large mediatised competitions and with a very competitive nature, *on a computer*
@@attilavs2 none of that matter they wouldn't be in it who the f in their mind will put a game with guns with the olympics? Dota and league nobody will understand, the only thing that would be good was Sports and fighting game and they choose the worst one.
Anyway we all know they do this because of money, people who thought eSports would taken seriously in olympics are delusional
@@xNemesis_ they want to implement electonic sports, and say " Yeah but now esports is on the olympics, watch that" when it has nothing close to esports, and profit
The cycling e-sport Zwift is going to literally just be top-level professional cyclists winning. It measures your direct cycling power output, so the fittest cyclist should win. I don't really understand the point, honestly. There's already the cycling competition in the actual olympics.
I know right. Luke clearly doesn't know Matthew Hayman's Paris- Roubaix win last 2016. Zwift greatly helped him after an accident 5 weeks before that classic.
Sure. Everybody knows one 270 km-6 hour (road racing) effort suits the exact kind of athlete as 3 short time-high intensity efforts (esports worlds from a month ago). Of course the same rider will win both.
Yes, whoever wins would be capable of racing both, but not winning both as it does favor a rather different cyclist. Zwift has far less tactics involved, so it will largely be the strongest person will win. In road cycling racing, bike handling matters far more as well as reading the field to know when to push hard vs recover. I honestly think Zwift or chess is the least bad of the choices here, at least both already have a competitive scene around them.
@Carlos Bermúdez doesn't mean it'll be the same cyclist, but it'll very likely be a top level pro cyclist who also does pro level criterium racing or indoor track racing, which is similar to what you described.
Well Linus and Luke kinda missed the point that this is just some random event held by the IOC. Also for cycling you qualify via the Zwift Grand Prix and the UCI Cycling Esports World Championships. The people participating there aren't exactly top-level professional cyclists.
And with that the Olympic Committee for eSports has demonstrated that they have no idea how to properly define what an eSport is.
2-3 of the games are directly tied to one of the committee memberz.
@@resyntax Im sorry to bust your bubble. But thats realistically how it works out here in SEA. Personal relationships and connections are half the battle.
@@jewelplate Just wanted to give a heads-up: high probability that the person you responded to already knows that.
They are using the language of sarcasm
@@jewelplate i know sarcasm can be hard to detect when it's written but cmon it's obvious..
I bet they can't define what a woman is either
Honestly it seems like the games they chose are all just the companies that paid them the most, these are such bizarre choices, but that at least makes more sense.
You bring up a good point about the companies having close relationships to governing bodies. I wonder if that also could be it
That’s how they pick which city hosts the games, so it makes sense
One of the higher ups in the comitee is financially invested in the indie console and the tic tak bow game company. =
Surely, League of frikkin Legends big daddy Tencent could have easily outbid any of these joke companies. Same could be said for Blizzard especially with the upcoming acquisition by Microsoft. Even Epic Games should have more budget than any of the companies behind the selected games.
It's pretty blatantly obvious that the IOC did this to protect the monopoly of its member federations by making the selected titles fall under the umbrella of existing sports categories. We won't see any real e-sports until IOC recognizes the International Esports Federation (IESF) as a member.
Excactly this, like the Tic Tak Bow game will be downloaded by millions and will get a lot of money in revenue just because of a lot of peolpe have the dream to become an olympian.
At the same time this will be a completly new level of cheating because people will figure out how to get an aimbot etc
@@DawidSikora aimbot in tte olympics
Would've been baller with Trackmania for the racing game, that franchise has such an ungodly high skill ceiling.
And it's just crazy fun to watch honestly.
it even recently got a competetive mode (that isn't just knockout)
i was really hoping it would be trackmania
the last thing CarlJr is missing is olympic gold
gran turismo actually veers on the side of realism and.. logic in the direction of motorsports though. they would be better with iRacing but gran turismo isn't the worst
IOC: "We're doing eSports!"
Us: "Oh cool, what competitive games do you have?"
IOC: "...there are competitive games?"
Us: "...what...what do you think sports ARE?"
That alone is such a red flag, the Council that chooses sports can't follow their own instructions and requirements for what a sport is.
Bring a dictionary and a detective cuz money definitely changed hands
@@Albertamere2 Us as in the group of people WE, not the nation
@@Albertamere2 US is what your looking for, as acronyms have all their letters capitalized. The first letter of a sentence is typically capitalized.
@@rya3190 yes I'm dumb I know :')
I think they missed a massive opportunity not having VR games in the Olympics, its the perfect crossover between gaminess and physicality. Games like Beat Saber, Echo VR (RIP), Gorilla Tag and any of the sim shooter combat games would have been an amazing fit.
Grand turismo could actually be done wiith VR
I mean if we want to choose a vr shooter, VAIL was literally designed to work as an esport
I would watch olympic beat saber
gorilla tag in the olympics would be fucking hilarious. the serious nature of everything and then you just have low poly monkeys jumping around
Yooo
One of the people in the committee works for the company that makes most of those pay to win games (and that karate game that uses a console you could only get from a kickstarter a year ago)
Wow what are the odds of that happening I’m sure that’s because he just knows good games when he sees them and not a whole but of corrupt Tom foolery.
Olympic pulled out a "we have e-sports at home" on this one.
Zwift racing is already recognized by the world cycling federation, UCI. There are official world championships e-sport racing and the winners and their avatars get to wear the official UCI world championship rainbow jersey. Zwift also is a big sponsor of actual road cycling, being the headline sponsor of the Tour de France Femmes. There is a lot of overlap with road racing (though not with track racing), but it is slightly different, like there is a lot of overlap between the different swimming and running events.
Yeah sure, but if the objective was to broaden horizons and include different types of sports, Zwift doesn't tick any of those boxes. The equivalent would be including a marginally different type of stroke in swimming, it's not increasing the inclusivity of the games, nor widening opportunities for upcoming athletes. It's a proper garbage decision. Especially for the forms of biking that remain unrepresented in the olympics, whilst this is....
I love how they put DDR competition in Google and the video that comes up is Pump it Up.
Let's go Pump it Up for the Olympics!
This is beyond insane.
But really, the dance category should be expanded to include more rhythm games and measure an "e-athlete's" prowess across all of them.
There's plenty to choose from that can accurately score players.
I love how you can tell that only the most out of touch, dinosaur-brained codgers picked these games. You know multiple people in a meeting stood up and said, "But we don't have that as an event at the regular Olympics!" whenever someone tried to bring up something people actually play. I can almost excuse the corruption as just an extension of this incompetence, where one of these dinosaurs decided they'd make a game about an Olympic sport to fill a "gap".
I know in years previous the committee had expressed apprehension about including any games that involve direct competition between entrants as well, but this is absurd.
It would be incredible to see Chess and Go and other boardgames all at a shared extremely high profile event.
Virtual taekwondo is literally people fighting against someone via a computer. It's very similar to the cycling one. It's literally just fighting with out hitting
There should be a board game Olympics and a video game Olympics. Each one could take an in-between year between the summer and winter games
Oh so monopoly, operation, and snakes and ladders? /S
Just Dance is a great game series! And it's something physical closer to real dance sports. That said, I don't believe it should be Olympic. I agree that DDR would be so much better!
DDR is Japan exclusive these days
Or the upgrade, DanceRush... or honestly Beat Saber, another physically active rhythm action game that is globally known just not accessible without VR
or AudioTrip, it has way better tracking than just dance (because vr) and your moves look somewhat like dance moves
It is closer but at the end of the day its just the tracking would be horrid and people will dispute the results.
Just Dance already has a competitive scene where it was showcased on the Paris ESW.
It's typically judged with 3 judges and participants have to reproduce the choreography on the screen as close as possible.
Using judges also removes the issue of different body types and height not syncing to the sensors.
The goal was to line the pockets of those who selected the games and their mates
You are 100% correct about Zwift. It's just gonna be another way for the top pros to win an Olympic medal
Cant belive they dont have real esports at the olympics
The only esports game on this list that makes sense is sim racing.
chess technically too even though it isn't an esport
I did a double take half way through to make sure it wasn't April fool's day. This is so absurd it feels like a joke.
My favorite ddr performance is still Monty Oum. He would legitimately just full on dance, arms and all. And still be hitting the arrows perfectly somehow. Always looked more impressive than someone just holding onto the railings and moving their feet
I didn't realise he was so good, but it makes sense with how great an animator he was. He clearly understood how people move and how to make it appealing *really* well.
RIP Monty Oum
well because its a whole different category.
hes dead
I think they did a bunch of weird games no one's heard of before (with a few notable ones just so they seem like they know what they're doing) to try and make eSports look dumb...like a bunch of 60+ year olds who scoffed at the idea of "Competitive Video Games" were like "Oh, lets show the world how stupid they are and pick mobile games no one's ever heard of!'
You overestimate OIC. Full of African nepotism just filling their bags.
There’s 0% chance it’s not a corruption situation, it’s the IOC after all. I mean, how would dumb boomers who scoff at the idea of eSports know to pick TicTacBow which was a recent release?
@@isingra Fair enough...and let's say my situation is "what's actually happening"...if you get asked to pick some of the worst games for a specific sport/genre (so someone comes up to you and says "We need video games in these categories that just suck/would be stupid to have a competitive nature to them.") for thousands of dollars...would you not do it?
@@blindfire3167 Sure if I got asked to pick some of the worst games of a specific sport/genre I would do so, but the odds that I'd go to a game that literally came out the day before I was asked to are pretty slim. I'd probably look at older Wii titles for that since they had just about everything on the Wii.
should have a real game category for e-sports... like Rythm game, fighting game, Shooter, etc
Right like 2 of the games are produced by one of the guys on the board who selected the games. And the taekwondo one you are only able to play it on a specific kickstarter console that the board member made?
Imagine if it was ddr and these professionals athletes who are in the finals can choose their own song “custom songs” that can be dlc after the olympics like the specific Olympic chosen songs sounds like a big win for olympics and for ddr
Yes, such a missed opportunity. All for a short-term gain.
I mean, if they go that route, everybody wins. DDR (or its clones) already have a legit competitive scene, and they're a very well-known brand, so the viewers get to see the players' skill on display, just like an actual sport. As a matter of fact, it IS a sport, with all the hallmarks of a sport - skill, physical exertion, and ruleset. The only thing different is that it's not an organized sport. The IOC also wins, because of merchandizing opportunity. Only this time, merchandizing would be much simpler because half of it is just the songs/tracks they use (the other might be customized pads, sneakers etc.).
Absolutely moronic move by the IOC here.
They didn't mention how these "games" come from companies which are owned/associated with people in the "Olympic" body which chose them.
Don't forget that this is the 5th or 6th official Just Dance World Cup and the first to be in the Olympics. So there is history of official competitive Just Dance.
Zwift is awesome. Resistance changes according to the grade of the roads in the game. It's a really good way to exercise in the winter.
If the IOC were smart they would hire developers to make consistent, olympic themed clones of popular esports games (or work with the companies to create forks that are controlled by the IOC.)
- Too expensive for the IOC.
- Publishers won't be that kind to allow a fork, even for the IOC. It's too generous to share that kind of profit. At most they would like sponsor and have some partnership in-game stuffs like Capcom's Olympic skins for SFV.
- I argue popularity is a really shitty metric for what kind of game you should be including. There is no guarantee that even if a "popular" esports is included in the Olympics, that it will actually bring that audience in anyway. Spectatorship is not the same as popularity, because you need to remember that a lot of games are popular to play, but not necessarily to watch.
- You're right about IOC wanting control, that's kinda why they chose these companies who are willing to be controlled by them in terms of presentation and ruleset.
if they were smart they would just use existing competitive games
Board game olympics yesssss! One step closer to my childhood dream of winning a gold medal in Hungry Hungry Hippos.
We already had this back in the day. It was called World Cyber Games.
BASED.
+1 for Olympic DDR/beatmania. Could have a subcategory for sight-reading, where it's based on the competitor's ability to read a completely new step pattern on the fly.
If they want chess why don’t they just do it over an actual chessboard why does it have to be an “e-sport”
If you think about it, Zwift and outdoor cycling are about as similar as iRacing and IRL racing. They both try to provide a simulation of the real thing. So I'm not sure why one would sound like a good idea and the other wouldn't.
Availability is a big factor, most people can buy a bike and ride it around town or on a road, but very few can buy a racecar and drive it around track. Proper sim car setups do cost a bit, but a cheap wheel/pedals and a ps4 will get you far. With cycling you could buy a bike for less than the zwift machine and get a better experience.
Am i missing something or how is iraceing even nearly as strenuous as real racing? Mabe if you have the 10k+ actuated racing setup, but else it mostly focuse on skill alone. Depending on the rules you could even compete with a joystick so nearly everyone could compete.
Zwift it looks like you need the physical abilities like on a real bike as you have to paddle and it responds how fast you go with how fast you peddle.
@@ized88 It's not physically strenuous, just mentally strenuous.
@@OmegaF77 that's my whole point? Every game on a high level is mentaly strenuous, even something like tetris or super Mario.
Irl racing physical - iracing skill/concentration
Irl cycling physical - Zwift physical
If Zwift needs the same skillset irl vs virtual why even bother?
DDR Olympics? Let's gooooo
I could watch Olympic Level Mario Kart. Imagine representing your country and then slipping on a banana peel at the last second.
I really wish that instead of Just dance, that maybe they went with ddr or even Beat Saber. Beat saber maps can get to be very complex and very skill based. I feel like the Just Dance competition will literally just be luck of the draw with whoever's joycon seems to be working the best that day.
Virtual regatta is amazing for a sailing game. Sailing is like a chess match but they already have sailing, actual sailing... Not even sure virtual regatta models taking wind from opponents
They probably went for grand Turismo because of money. But a little bit of me hopes it because it's a stable game as opposed to a lot of these "true" simracers are
I think people who hold up Project Cars and the F1 franchise as cutting edge driving simulators should probably reserve their judgement on Gran Turismo as a competitive game.
This one actually make sense, but Linus doesnt know what hes talking about when it coems to racing games. But yeah, they should have used iRacing
As someone who got **really** good at DDR I would pay a whole heap of cash to see that in the olympics 🤣🤣🤣
eBaseball Powerful Pros isn't a MTX filled mobile game like the others he listed, it's a major console game made by Konami, but it's Japanese only and follows the Nippon Professional Baseball league. It should be compared to Gran Turismo and Just Dance imo.
They made two games for the MLB called MLB Power Pros and MLB Power Pros 2008 that were really good. I haven't played the new Japanese-only games, and I definitely haven't heard of this latest release being shown at the Olympics (apparently it's a very limited version of the full 2022 release sold for cheap for this Olympics push) but as far as I can tell there's traditionally been 0 MTX in these games (which is rare for a console sports game). People have been calling for English localizations for a while even if it doesn't follow the MLB, because it's considered to be that good of a game.
Nah look the game up that’s a whole mobile game it be 1 dollar and it don’t got anyone streaming it anywhere it don’t even show up anywhere but twitch and only 200 ppl even follow it 😭😭
@@taystoner7144 As I said, the version in the Olympics (WBSC eBaseball: Power Pros) is a very cut down version of the full game that they're selling for $1 to make it accessible. And it's not on mobile. The full game, eBaseball Powerful Pro Yakyuu 2022, is a full priced Japan-only game, part of a series that dates back to 1994 on the SNES, and released yearly or biyearly ever since.
The franchise has its own Wikipedia article, it's not hard to look up. You probably should have done that before bothering to reply.
@@Falcon4224 why you still defendin a whole game where they ain’t even got legs I guarantee you no one would even wanna play dat if they had the bread for mlb the show not my fault they broke
@@Falcon4224 and that game only got 5k followers on twitch 😂😂mlb the show got 65k and they come out wit a whole new game every single year 🤦🏾♂️there ain’t no comp
@@Falcon4224 that game only got 5k followers on twitch 😂😂mlb the show got 65k and they come out wit a whole new game every single year 🤦🏾♂️there ain’t no comp nd you can tell you lost the argument when you try to bring up how it’s betta than 2k 😭ain’t no one played 2k since 2k20
Fre video idea spawned from this episode. "1v1 me bro!" Machine, which is an arcade style machine with two controllers and some eSports type games pre loaded. You can challenge members of the crew to settle debates!
That would actually make good content. Linus' team has the capability to engineer their own arcade machine, so it's very doable. For the core, it can be a gaming PC, or something like a RaspPi 4. Get two arcade controllers attached, and do a side-by-side camera view for the audience. The game doesn't even have to be something serious, as long as it's entertaining enough for a couch co-op.
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Glad you caught the iRacing v Project Cars swap. Project cars is miserable for simulation quality. The only sim racing games you see racing drivers playing regularly are iRacing, Asseto Corsa (mostly because of the mod capabilities, and occasionally the F1 games. But iRacing is so far ahead of everything else, it's just hard to compare.
This is what I felt. GT7 isn’t a bad sim for the amount of vehicles and car collecting nature of the game.
But we already know the sim that the FIA and other racing organizations would pick, the only real option for realism is iRacing.
That said, GT7 isnt bad in terms of physics. Not the best choice but its no travesty. It was probably chosen because its a more recognizable name, and because of the pre-existing E-sport series being well integrated into the same making execution very easy.
ACC would have been a better choice imo. Better BoP and probably the best GT car physics of any simulator.
The biggest problem with E-sports sim racing is that anti-cheat doesn't really exist. So maybe in that respect a console title is better.
Zwift is already used for a e sport world championship and the winners are not the pro level cyclists because they don't care and the tactics and strength requirements are a bit different
I would have actually loved if Farming Simulator made it into the Olympics it’s just the kind of bonkers and far from reality type of Esport that would be great to grab attention. And the Farm SIM E Sport Community is already pretty big so you would have a great base.
Beat saber seems like it would have been a great idea.
UT 2004. Done. Problem solved. I'm closer to being an Olympic athlete than ever before!
Tic Tac Bow doesn't even shoot the same type of bow in the Olympics.
Olympics uses Olympic style recurve but tic Tac Bow uses compound bows which the IOC refuse to add as a legitimate Archery style even though target compound bow archery is by far more popular with a bigger commercial manufacturer industry behind it.
The virtual taekwondo thing is basically SlimeVR. Since SlimeVR is open-source hardware, it might literally just be SlimeVR with a different name
The Olympics video games have always been known for rock-solid game play and being free of bugs
i still remember having watched Linus's Mouse review of a Corsair mmo gaming mouse that had ergonomic thumb buttons. he was a kid really. but his enthusiasm was quite convincing. i subbed that day and bought the mouse, which i used for years until it fell apart. still miss this mouse.
This unfortunately just feels like them trying to avoid having to actually take it seriously in the future. "Well hey we tried it that one year, remember? And nobody signed up or even cared in the slightest, which means that people just don't like watching e-sports."
12:33 when you say Gran Turismo I’m picturing the PS1 version from 1997😂😂😂😂
I'm joining the Virtual Ricotta team of Italy. See you lads at the ristorante
They could have used Wii Sport and Wii Sport resort for legit everything, for dancing Beat Saber would have been fun and for maximal fun, chess should have been the 5d chess with time travel game from steam or how ever it is called
Tic tak bow sound like something fun to play with a real bow
About Just Dance - I think we all imagine people dancing before their kinect devices. However it will be like 6 years by the time of the olimpics, since Kinect was discontinued. I seriously doubt Microsoft will create just a few dozens of new kinect devices only for the olympics. This means that Just Dance will also be played using mobile phones which is just plainly stupid
It has to be a spectator sport that everyone can just understand. DDR is just dancing, with direction. That's good. A fighting game too. Easy concept to understand.
The virtual taekwondo is made by Refract Technologies. They had a showcase of it at the commonwealth esports games but that was about it. Its most likely a modded dev branch of the kickstarter game FreeStrikers.
The arms behind on the bar is a crutch for ddr. Its a sign of a ddr player that is at the cusp of truely understanding the game. The game is a language you speak with your body. Learning the game means learning the language, which is teaching your body to fluidly execute common move sets automatically while just barely keeping your eye on the screen, then as you increase the difficulty you learn how to deal with variations to those basic move sets and how to slowly increase the speed and complexity of each set. The hardest difficulties require that you know the basic and variations of the move sets perfectly then subtley edits them and cancels at odd times turning both requiring your fluency and then turning it against you as you struggle to switch gears from a move set you have tone thousands of times.
I used to be an e-sports admin like way back in the day. I still cannot grasp the "need" to take the virtual version of an actual existing sport and make that an e-sport (fifa, cycling, ...)
That's like the most boring shit ever.
You have the imagination of thousands of game companies at your fingertips and you choose the most boring option....
At 9:30 when they’re talking about how the Olympics were already pay to win they forgot to mention which country pays to dope the best! 😂 Every country is guilty of that one!
My question is: who are the pros that are qualified to play these games? Like, is there a tic-tac-bow pro scene? Are they just going to have actual archery Olympians playing that game?
Linus is gonna be an e-lympian gold medalist in no time.
Honestly I've been hopping for eSports Olympic for some time now, because in CSGO, France could have a really good team.
And now that it's here I'm completely disappointed and I think almost nobody will watch or go to the eSports Olympic.
You would've thought that they would include competitive games but no.
How hard would it have been to ask people who know competitive eSports and just take the games that they give you.
Anybody knowing gaming could give a pretty good list of games that would be ok.
Like just having CSGO, league of legends, sport games (fifa, NHL, MLB, NFL, NBA), beat saber, SSB, Pavlov, fall guys, speedrunners, trackmania.
It didn't even take me 20 minutes and I already have a list of games that could make some good Olympics.
And for some of these, I just opened my steam library and looked, they could have gone to the most popular games on steam and get some good games from there too. They will understand how stupid this move was once the first organized one will be passed, they will lose so much money on that.
e-sports should really be on par with Chess, not Sports... as a former air rifle competition participant, my sport was more mental than it was physical but it still required the marksman to be fit of body. its a sport someone fat can exell in as i've personally whitnessed it, although usually its larger women who do better than frail men.
if the point is the highest score, then the just dance competitive meta would be a static person just moving his phone to the necessary place so it assumes that you did the right thing and get you a perfect score
Sim games would be so could, like you could bring in games like DCS (Digital Combat Simulator) where people fly super realistic 1 to 1 jets and have them dogfight.
3 of the games are made by a company headed by 1 guy on the committee responsible for picking the games for this
not sus at all
in regards to swift, the same can be said for rowing but they have full on indoor erg world championships so it makes sense to have an indoor virtual cycling
If they are just gonna make anything a Olympic sport now, how about paintball/airsoft? You could make that interesting to watch, maybe even with live views from the players.
but that would actually be interesting, and the Olympics clearly don't want that
@@MrUhlus then the crappy vr version of paintball then?
I dont remember where I heard it but something to do with tic-tac-bow and another of the games developed by the same company that were chosen where owned by some person related with the IOC?
Chess used to be in the Olympics. What were the arguments used in the debate that removed it the first time?
Zwift will bring all the subgenres of cycling together at least. w/kg matters, but there is also a bit of strategy. So ya more than likely a professional cyclist will win, but will it be a velodrome rider, tri-athlete, road racer, mountain biker... etc. As someone whos on Zwift and a mountain biker, I'm actually excited to see what happens.
I mean the reason these were chosen seems pretty clear to me, kickbacks from the publishers to the organizing officials.
when e-sport olympics is mentioned I go straight back to the game on the ZX Spectrum
so basically they managed to displease both traditional sports fans and gamers at the same time.
They literally heard esports and took that literally
I think i could understand it if the IOC developed their own versions of games. Sports in general are quite regulated in terms of rules, but these games are, well not.
Just Dance and Gran Turismo are the only legit esports here, Chess could literally just be a regular chess board.
Gran Turismo is connected to the FIA
My first thought was SC2? CSGO? DOTA?
no, just phone apps. Holy fuck lmfao
And here I thought we'll get one extra event of international League of Legends every four years. We always wished for one, having only a very limited MSI cup and Worlds is sad.
The technological development of sport driven by (rich countries in) the Olympics increases the precision of measuring techniques and human performance. Do any of the games and input methods on this list stand to develop technologically in the next fifteen years from the increased attention that being in the Olympics brings?
Rocket League would be perfect! It's easily understandable by non-gaming audience. Soccor + cars, easy.
Want to make it more interesting to watch? Have them control the game using a driving wheel like a proper racing game.
I think the reason they ultimately didn't chose Rocket League because it's not a very close clone of an existing sports (which seems to be their goal with this?).
@@faradise3819 But they did chose clones of other existing sports... The virtual taekwondo, the archery thing, the sailing, they are all pretty close to regular sports.
@@ArchOfWinter but Rocket League is not, at least at a glance.
Echo VR should have been an Olympic sport, instead Meta is deleting it from existence. It would be MILES better and more exciting to watch than a lot of existing Olympic sports.
Tic tack bow was made by one of the persons in the committee for choosing the games and sports. If I'm not wrong he actually made two
Someone on the Olympics committee face palmed hard when they made this announcement. I just know it
Virtual Taikwando is such a mysterious game.
they picked Just Dance instead of DDR? JUST DANCE instead of DDR??
Probably companies which paid the most, got their games in
20:50 Is absolutely painful to hear. I only recently realised how accepted nepotism and favouritism are in my country.
Strange some of those games being recently listed and the ones releasing have developer connections with certain members of the Olympic council... Nah! Just sheer coincidence those were picked!
The (unfortunate) thing is, it actually kind of makes sense that they're so focused on mobile games, with a few exceptions. Sports are a common denominator between large groups of people - whether or not you're a professional athlete, you probably know and recognize most olympic sports. Across all people in general, PC/console gaming is far more niche than mobile gaming, even if the actual quality of the games is in general much higher. From a pure business standpoint, it makes sense to go with the games that have the largest potential audience. It's just a shame when we know there are actual interesting and engaging esports experiences out there.
Sure, but that doesn’t explain them choosing games that no one has heard of because they hadn’t come out yet at time of selection
Tic-Tac-Bow had 500 Downloads at the time of the announcement. Not 500mil, but just 500. The more sensible option would be Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games.
4:29 brutal call out 😅🤣
I think they should do Age of Empires 2 as the ultimate Olympics esport
Normal chess was originally in the modern Olympics along with poetry I think? The oldest Olympian was an 80 year old poet
Honestly everyone is missing the biggest benefit here becoming an Olympian for Esports.. you might be able to stay in the same dorms as the rest of the athletic Olympians.
They throw away Con Domes as fast as they possibly can there, it’s the best looking best in shape people in the world all thrown into one area for an extended period of time, after they’ve been isolated from friends and family and SO’s for years and years.
Its no kept secret that they basically have a big OJ of Olympian’s the entire time it happens, so get your fingers clicking for E-chess boys and girls!
Edit: literally cannot even say the real word thanks to how censored CZcams comments are now, so just imagine what I’m trying to say, you get it. Thanks YT 1984/2023.
18:14 literally laughed out loud so hard i startled myself