The Problem With New Anime
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- čas přidán 19. 12. 2022
- This is a problem that I haven't seen a single other person ever talk about.
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Angel's Egg OST - Prelude
Do It Yourself!! Opening
Pokemon OST - The Enigma
Nichijou OST - Helvetica Standard ~Sono 3~
Re:Zero Season 2 OST - Petra
Lucky Star OST - Konata's Theme Futsuu Version
Di Gi Charat Opening
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Hi there, your choice of a silent voice clip was spot on. Had the Same reaction as the students. And yes you did infact ruin something for me I didn't even know was possible ... that being said it might be one of the reasons why I haven't been able to enjoy anime and started reading manga since I do enjoy older anime. Also y kick me out the manga was good I'm just saying that so u know its not just the trailers that are the good stuff TT
you hear emilia like that because she is just next to subaru
Japanese as a language suffers from poor verbal legibility across regions due to accents and a whole bunch of reasons. If you've ever watched any non-anime (specifically any daytime television) you'll notice two things; the announcers tend to speak a very specific way with specific pitch on specific words (Japanese is atonal, but it's tonal), and that everyone who's not the announcers has Japanese subtitles. NHK has a specific guide to speaking on television that the announcers use. The recording that you're hearing is for maximum audible clarity, as well as addressing the ageing population that still watches television in Japan.
You've opened a Pandora's Box, Keksi. The 「Anime CZcamsrs」 will seize on this now, and in exactly five months, they'll all release videos on this topic in quick succession. Our time remaining to Judgment Day is limited. It's been an honor.
The time is near
the month draws near
15 days left
I'm out of the loop...
soon
You might call it Uncanny perfection, where it takes you out of the experience because it's so perfect. There's no background noise and no ambient sound. As if they were in a soundproof room(which they are), yet we see them walking in the woods or something. Basically it's so perfect, it's immersion breaking.
Sometimes more polished isn't better, yeah. Reminds me of that video of Tom Scott about the holes in swiss cheese having been shrinking and they found out it was because the milking process got so good, it barely had any impurities and the holes need impurities to start forming around hah.
Or just suspend your disbelief. That's an option lol
@@cwcpants140 You're right, I CAN ignore bad sound design, and I often do! But since it's fun to engage in replies, I decided to further detail the topic in this video.
Unless if you're watching CZcams every day, then the sound quality will (probably) just sound natural to your ear... (speaking from experience)
It kind of reminds me of some certain liminal spaces. Places too perfect to be normal, grass too green to feel right and houses too symmetric to be comfortable.
I've definitely noticed this too. Characters will be in a crowded room full of people and be loudly yelling secret plot stuff to each other and I'm just sitting there like "shut the fuck up every's gonna hear you" but of course nobody ever does.
I think that might just be a writing/framing thing. This video is more about sound quality and ambience (or the lack of).
yeah you are not alone in this, the ambient sound in animes in general frustrates me.
kyoto animation stands out in this matter, specially Hibike euphonium, they put so much detail and care in the sound part. In hyouka, there's a school presentation that was a video, and you can hear the noise of the camera being hold by inexperienced hands.
kyoto has the best ambient sound
Even in the silent voice clip i used in the video i noticed the paper sound it was very detailed
@@Keksi That's because in that scene there was no dialogue. The point was not in the dialogue. This is why you could, from the sound pov, focus on the ambient sounds, like the rustling of paper. Now when you are doing dialogue, why the hell wouldn't you want it to be the focus and sound clear?
@@SquallTheBlade Focus does not mean ignore all the rest. You can have crisp dialog AND still have backgrounds sound to every scene to make it sound alive. Anime has a tendency to just not do it, and sometimes even when there is no dialog, they will just use background music while I take out my cellphone because I totally disengaged from the show because of it.
@@Puerco-Potter the example provided in the video DOES still have a background noise (the wind). So it's exactly what you said. You can have both and depending on the focus, some sounds will be clearer.
Also wtf you use your phone when watching stuff? ADHD much?
@@SquallTheBlade what does adhd much mean
Thank you Keksi for making me realize that I don’t watch anime enough to realize voice acting has gotten so crisp. Now I will go back to my closet underneath the stairs and play Genshin Impact all day until my dad comes back home ready for the good old belt session.
Your dad comes back?
Owh... Because you are putting it that way, now I realize that the reason I didn't notice it is probably because of how good the audio quality of most CZcamsrs these days... So it just sounds natural to me...
@@TheRibbonRed not for good reasons though
be happy yours isn't worse than his
Honestly, this was never a problem for me because I never really thought about it.
But now that you said it it makes perfect sense and I can absolutely see it.
... now I can't unhear it and have to suffer together with you
She opened the book and I almost shouted "HARD AGREE"
Wow I've been a fan of you for a super long time, might've used your style as a tad bit of inspiration for this teehee
The fuck
In contrast to western movies/shows where the voice is literally so muffled to the point where its unintelligible. Watching anything that is not a TV series or not having a filter that specifically amplifies human(like loudness equalization on windows) voices is nearly impossible without blowing your ears off. Japan went the other way and made sure the dialogue was actually being heard.
Regarding the ambiance, unless its a movie, I don't really expect it to be that good. Each anime episode takes so little time to produce that recording abiant noise for 1 scene is not worth the cost.
Ikrr when i watched harry Potter chamber of secrets, i only read the book after that. And i remember being annoyed at how they cut off certain scenes in the movie (idk ig i was just picky or sth as a kid). And later, i watched like idk one video about it, and i realized that scene actually DID EXIST but i had no clue bcz i could barely understand the dialogue.
This is why i must ALWAYS have my subtitles on. No. Matter. What.
Yesss, just a few days ago I watched a video about how we can't watch a western show without subtitles anymore, it's the exact opposite of this problem. A kind of middleground between these two ends would be nice. :))
@@luminamoon504 Thanks for reading my mind and writing this comment! 👍
anime directors should ask nolan for pointers about sound design imo
i loved tenet
Lmao wth, I thought it was a me problem just not being good enough with my listening skills,. 😅
Re:zero season 2 was recorded from home, I even think they apologized for it In the show, also I agree anime nowadays seems to ignore atmosphere way too much compared to how it was, makes the whole thing feel artificial.
Holy shit i did not know this
oh yeah i forgot about that, not only the voice acting but also animated in home
Considering it was recorded on home, honestly it turned out really well, you would expect someone to have a somewhat bad mic or some background noise at some point, clearly there were efforts to avoid that being the case
My guess is the lack of ambient noise is due to the sheer volume of shows they put out nowadays every year. It hasn’t always been like this. To be honest I thought this video might be about how tiresome it is that a hundred or more shows are released every year.
And most of the shows are basically garbage. The quality of every show is impacted because they basically crank out show after show.
But it doesn’t surprise me that the background noise is skimped on-because they basically run a fast and the furious on every show-they produce it extremely quickly and they produce a ton of shows.
I may not understand your videos but I love them ❤
What's not to understand
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@@ninoacuna4939 his opinions
bruh what
the Chainsaw Man anime did a great job by adding backround noise to its scenes. It´s something I appreciate about the anime because it made me feel like I was in the scene. Wish more anime would do that
The dub is even better with the sound direction.
This is actually great for getting input if you want to learn a language. I've been trying to watch some Chinese shows and sometimes you literally can't hear what the characters are saying over the ambient sound or even the background music.
Yeah. Anime is just not concerned with getting the smaller details right. Although this problem with dialogue being perfectly audible in loud environments would be considered an amateurish mistake in film, it's completely overlooked in anime.
It's a bit of a bother when you're the only one who cares about stuff like this, but it's one of those things you just have to live with otherwise you end up like that guy Keksi, autistically focusing on it in every anime.
As an audiophile and audio nerd, i have to agree. And it's not just for anime. Studio technology overall became so good, it's now too sterile, including music, movies, etc... My home country very much relies on dubs, and a lot of old movies are getting re-dubbet. I collect old dubs, sometimes only existing on VHS. This is the reason. Ever wondered why lo-fi hip-hop became so popular? Here you go. Even though older (especially analog) technology is techically inferior, it's more real, more natural.
It's kind of the same with background art for me. It's so clean and detailed sometimes that it ends up looking like wayy too real, kind of like how photorealistic art looks almost too real, because that's just not how people see things..
It also sometimes has the affect of looking kind of plasticy, with the colours kind of dull and scientific-y if that makes sense. When you watch old anime, the background art is realistic but the colours really jump out at you and even the most average 80s production will have the most beautiful colours even if the trees look a little wonky or whatever- it's like the pursuit of detail takes the modern artists further but not quite far enough to get to the level of rendering where it portrays colour as accurately. Its not a problem with every production, for example in chainsaw man the textures are smooth a lot of the time but the lighting and general cinematography makes it work a lot better. Also, the most recent anime I've watched, skip and loafer, has the normal background style, but it works really well because part of the anime is the mc moving to Tokyo and experiencing it, so the accurate backgrounds and places make it feel like you're actually there experiencing it with her. Though this whole thing might just be my bias for pretty cel backgrounds showing lol
You see, my headphones are so bad they make everything sound like I'm in a hurricane
Funnily enough, live series and movies actually have the opposite problem. Their mix these days intentionally makes it harder to hear things even when nothing is happening in the background as a result of mixing for large theatrical experiences and not home audiences.
True King , You tell 'em King . Didnt watch the video and i still know you spittin facts
This video reminded me of this 90s anime called Muzuiro Jidai. One impression I got from that anime was the amount of background sounds it had. There were people talking in the background, a trumpet in the music room, and plenty others. In one scene, the MC was brushing her teeth, and you could hear her brushing her teeth. I liked the attention to detail.
I started watching Mizuiro Jidai a few weeks back because of this comment. I'm enjoying it a lot so far
It’s not just ambient sounds, even when the characters are far away it still sounds like they are right in front of you. I’ve been rewatching a lot of older (like 2009 - 2014) anime recently and noticed the only times the character sounds extremely close to you is when they are speaking in their mind. Other than that it sounds like they are wherever the characters are in the show, like if they were at the beach and the waves were really strong you’d hear the waves in the background… and if they are near the waves the characters often sound quieter than the waves, or in a big room like a gym you would hear a slight echo. I completely forgot the point of the comment but yeah
This reminds me of an audio problem, that shows up in German productions a lot. Due to the German acting schools having been established science the time where there was only theater; the way actors learn to speak is based on the conditions of a stage play. This results in them never doing stuff like mumbling and makes them sound artificial.
I could very well imagine there havening developed a similar culture around voice acting for anime. This would also Explain why people think that that's good.
Many European countries suffer from this too. In my country, Portugal, many actos start in theater and stage plays so when they go on TV and movies, is super noticeable.
as a half deaf person i really DO NOT MIND this issue, this is the biggest non problem i've heard anyone complain about, the reason why no one is talking about this is because you're like a dork or something (a dork with good taste tbf i love bocchi the rock)
First thing I thought of was that it's an indirect stylistic creativity is being hampered by accessibility argument lmao.
Also light novel adaptations make bad examples because they have to do the animation from scratch...
As an anime fan I can confirm that I never noticed this, now I can't unhear it! Help me!
Dude no way 2 videos in a row???? Am I in heaven?
Part of the reason for this would be that for people that do understand japanese instead of reading the subtitles it would be a lot more difficult to hear and make sense of whatever the characters are saying if it always gets interrupted by background noises, like I get your point but like in music, there are a lot of layers of different sounds involved and some have a lot more priority than others, obviously the BG noises help with the ambience but most animes are very dialogue heavy so of course the center of focus would be that the seiyuus are audible and then the rest of layers.
It still feels very "unreal", especially if there's very little ambience at all. This would similarly be considered a problem in english productions.
Holy shit I've been thinking this myself!! Or rather, subtly bothered by it without knowing why. Modern anime voice acting sounds like narration for a movie trailer or documentary where the narrator is like an inch from the mic! The voice acting itself is great but the recording method is different because the room is so sound proofed. Like why do these characters who are outdoors sound like theyre in a radio broadcast room lol?
OMG you're so right! It drives me crazy how perfect they make everything sound!
You’re not the only one, it’s very nice when you’re able to feel background of a scene without looking at the screen. It can even save some running time because some visual exposition can be skipped.
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Do you feel like this started to happen more intensely after covid? I've noticed that some games that released post-covid have voice acting that feels super varied because it sounds like the VAs had to record at home with different equipment. I don't know if this is the case for JP VAs working in anime tho.
I heard re zero was recorded from home
I don't see the problem they just sound like the voices in my head
I prefer this to the alternative, which is live-action english shows that I need to watch with subtitles on, especially if I have to keep adjusting the volume if it changes abruptly between different volume levels.
Lmao even if you are born and raised English speaking it as your only language the audio in those TV shows is atrocious. "My idea of award winning acting is mumbling atmospherically!"
Two Keksi videos in two consecutive days? We are truely blessed
Voices are meant to be heard. I'm honestly so tired of american TV making the music or background noise so loud I can't hear what the characters are saying. I always have to turn on closed captioning or rewind a couple times until I can understand what they're saying. Clear, concise speech is a blessing imo
"bocchi the rock more like bocchi the sock #satoko4lyfe"
socsk are cool
WHo gave you the right to speak my exact fucking thoughts so accurately :')
THIS has been a problem I never heard anyone talk about, and I started to think I'm the only one who thinks this way. Thank you so much for this video. So, about voices in anime, not just do they lack good ambient sounds, my major problem lies with as you said, the characters sounding too close to the mic and sounding so crisp that every little sound they make is way too prominent. There is no dynamics, I feel. Every line sounds the same volume and intensity, and as a result, I don't feel like actual people are talking. Instead I feel like "anime characters are talking", that sounds wrong but I don't know how else to describe it. This feeling is intensified by characters with certain anime personality tropes having the same set voice styles EVERY FUCKING TIME.
I don’t get the actual people talking but Anime characters talking which I mean yeah it’s a Anime their not real so not sure how your wanting them to sound like lol but everything else I do agree with
"They sound too close to the mic."
Sir, that's called "Audio Gain" and you can turn it down on most TV/Monitors if it bothers you. It's what I do, when a channel wants to include ASMR without warning the viewer properly.
No, it's not.
i never noticed this but i see your point. also merry christmas brother.
Yeah, that's the Japanese pursuit of perfection. Remove any and all distractions, keep the essence absolutely pure. People love to forget that the "imperfections" are what gives the medium character and identity. They have absolute control over things with anime, so they make it as clean as humanly possible, but it ends up feeling sterile.
I'm with you on that one.
Two videos in two days. Yes please kind sir!
I was wondering what that feeling was! Finally got it thanks to you, you aren’t alone in feeling the way you do.
Keksi youre 100% right, ive had the same issues as well but never knew how to say them, you put it perfect imo, anime needs more atmephere
i'm pretty sure these christmas gift video sequence will boost the algorithm to making it easier for people to find your channel Keksi, hopefully
Well I can't unhear this now, great.
I was expecting everything but this. Well now I can’t unhear it, thanks a lot! x)
Omg Keksi uploaded consecutively W
They need to hire audio engineers to make 3D spatial audio. Character is miles away but his microphone is in your ear. Takes me out everytime.
Well, now I'm never gonna be able to unnotice this again, thanks mate
I understand your point but this is actually a good thing, not a bad thing. Speech intelligibility is far more important than background noise and special effects. This goes for all shows/movies, not just anime.
From a sound engineer's perspective, the #1 priority at all times is making sure that people can understand the words that the characters are saying no matter what they are listening to the show/movie with. It doesn't matter whether someone is using the speakers built into their $100 tv or a $1000 pair of headphones with a separate amp/dac. The speech needs to be crisp at all times.
I presume that you are using a high-end headphone setup so the crispness of the voices comes through with alarming clarity to you. However, imagine if you were watching anime with the speakers built into an old laptop. Do you see my point?
This issue that you have with modern mixing techniques is actually not a mistake at all. It is done on purpose to ensure that the show is intelligible to as many people as possible. They are probably also running a bit of EQ to boost the clarity of the vocals. This is a wonderful thing because it means that even people who are watching shows on their phone's speakers while sitting on a bench outside can clearly hear what is being said.
From a sound engineer's point of view, sound effects and background noises are just ear candy for people with high-end audio setups. Their paycheck depends on making sure the conversations can be heard. This is why all of the new shows sound like this. Not just anime but many western shows as well.
I havent noticed what youre talking about. From all the anime im watching recently the audio and ambience is perfect.
Yeah I never noticed this ever, and lowkey now that you mentioned it, I kinda like it lol
and dang you been uploading more recently.
This is the most interesting take about anime I heard in years. Subbed! I’ll have to watch your other videos, I’ll be sharing this video around and seeing what other people think about it.
If I had to take a guess, I think it comes down to sound direction and cost cutting. In the end, the main sound director has to think it's important enough to include this type of (basic, but often ignored) ambience in the planning for production. I don't always notice, but when I do, it's always glaring and painful like you said. Sometimes not even in the "too perfect" sense, just straight bad. See examples:
- Kumichou Musume to Sewa-gakari, a manga I'd been enjoying, was adapted into anime last year with a pretty low budget. It was cursed by mediocre sound direction to the point of becoming unwatchable.
- Goddamn Domestic na Kanojo had such bad sound direction that it wasn't even hate-watchable anymore.
I think the sound design has become a catch 22 the sound is so good it has no background noise but adding the background noise will make the voices sound weird
Do you know how people still listen to tape or vinyl recordings?
I happen to be one of those guys.
One day friends came over and I put some records on the turntable for ambience. Everyone was wow'd because who tf uses such an ancient technology. One friend asked what was on everyone's else mind.
- Why do you listen to analog, when there's Spotify? Those LPs have a lot of surface noise.
I've just answered that "life has a surface noise". And you've quantified that more elaborately. Imperfections give that degree of realism and connection, this is why people prefer to watch youtube over TV, this is why vlogs gain such popularityty, this is why amateur po-
Excuse me, I'll stop there. Good video.
double upload make happy :D
Beastars solved this by having the voice acters on stage together acting out both the voices and the scene at the same time. It really brought the voice acting to the next level.
Yeh because cgi anime it actually face cam
@Runa Jain referring to the motion capture? Yeah it's pretty awsome how since it's motion capped the audio matches the voice acting, you don't really get that often for 2d.
Oh god you're absolutely right.
Now I'll never not notice this.
I can't unhear it now..
God bless u for this
I think this is one of the reasons why even though new anime has all looked good, once i watch them i lose interest. Everything feels perfect. The animation average has reached a point where most “good” anime have pretty good animation, with nothing really bad about them, but they just don’t give the same feeling when you watch them, theres no attachment. And i wonder if a part of that is the fact that the characters don’t sound real, the world doesn’t sound real. And how can you be connected to a world like that? I think this is why despite being high quality, not many newer anime are very memorable, at least to me.
omg i will never be able to unhear this now wtf why would you hurt me like this
you just opened Pandora's Box for me, thanks so much :'^)
im writing a video on pandoras box right now
Great, now I can't unhear this
Is there a list of the shows used in the video? Some look really interesting.
I literally could barely stand to watch bloom into you because it kept sounding like they were whispering right into my ear at all times
I actually just finished the last 2 episodes of Do It Yourself! yesterday, and never really noticed the lack of background noise interference. But I will now!
I never noticed this but I dont think I'll be able to unhear it now so uh, thanks, I guess.
I've noticed it too when starting one piece about a year ago.. something about the imperfect voice acting just sounded.. better in a way. The way some words are clearly not picked up as well, the imperfections in the script and acting and the mic quality brought together what i called "lofi voice acting" at the time. I dont mind the new, high quality voice acting in most tv shows, but when its a kyoto animation-style or ghibli style show/movie with very immersive sound design i would prefer it if the voice acting stays "lofi". And as far as i know, miyazaki agrees on that. Thats why his VA's sound so unusual, because he casts people with less experience on purpose to get a more natural sound
As a sound engineer, the problem is not with the mics/recordings/voice actors being too "perfect", the biggest offender is the crappy TV speakers and dialogue having to be discernable on every TV set then it's bad mixing or complete lack of ambient noises.
Omg di gi charat at the end what a w
Back in my day 5 seconds was the longest you could watch without random cicada sounds or other bg sounds.
The one anime I really felt this in was the last season of AoT.
When ths rumbling starts you can imagine how defeaning it is to be around the colossal titans, so much so that Mikasa and Armin have to shout to hear each other. But there's no ambiance to convey just how *loud* it is around them, so they just sound like they're shouting for no reason.
Obviously, I know that its for the convenience of the watcher, but it would've been cool to have their voices be drowned out of a bit for the sake of artistic expression.
Never thought about it... But that's a really good point, it's kind of true. Wow.
I'm no expert, but its probably because with the numerous of anime coming out, they save time mixing audio. Plus Japan tv anime are mixed for 2 channel audio but if you want something more immersive you mix for 5 channel which takes longer and usually used for anime movies.
Not thinking about the ambient noises or pay attention to balancing audio out?
I’ve been in a media school for a few years now so I think it could also come down to not knowing to think about ambient noise being a playing an important part to a scene 🤔
I love you keksi
OMG YES I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THIS. There was a period where I lived in another country for 6 years where airing dubs of popular Asian TV live-action shows was very popular, and this made me identify the problem much more clearly because I could hear the difference between original dub and local language dub all the darn time.
If you watch something like a typical home video it might get pretty immersive because the voices of people there obviously sound the same distance as they appear, but this isn't gonna be wanted a lot of the time for professionally produced shows because they want to make sure the audience understands what the heck an actor is saying as much as possible. Pretty often I'd wonder just how much work it would take for the position of each character, or even the size of each room, to actually be recreated in relation to the POV and if it were possible would it be worth it? I get it I so get it.
what a new vid in less than 4 working months?
this reminds me of how some games display darkness by slapping a dark blue filter on it and go “see! night time”
then I play the forest and want to go back to that shitty I’m blue dabidee dabidu filter REAL QUICK
Now that you mention it...
Never thought about this, but it may just be a great point that I might consider in the future
Omg I'm blushing, those kisses caught me off guard 😂
First time watching your videos, loved it.
Im not gonna be able to unhear this now, i was fine before now im gonna notice this whenever i watch a show 💀
all i can say is i will try to forget what you said so i dont get overconscious when i watch my stuff
thanks
I'm never going to unsee this
bro you arent seeing anything
Do you remember when summer anime have some crickets sound in the background when the characters are talking? Or the sound of the rustling leaves when the setting are in the forest?
Is the current industry standard is to cut down budget for ambient sfx in return for better voice acting/animation? Or there are no budget in the first place?
But wait... how about cooking anime? How about the sizzling sounds of oil being cooked and so on....
Is the industry don't have that many talented people in regards to ambient sfx or is there any rule that prevent them to use the ambient sfx while also playing their ost bgm?
Alright. This could be a rabbit hole that worthy of an hour long video, but you need to know the history of anime sound effect (and it's definitely worth writing a thesis or two for)
I've missed this guys videos
I have no idea what he's talking about but I'm glad 🤣
Never realized it by myself but now that you mentioned it I can clearly see (hear) what you mean. Now I will always remember this and this will always annoy me, I won't be able to watch anime the way I did before, you doomed my entire viewing experience forever. Why
you can put on an earbud and listen to white noise on a very very low volume- or if your just watching alone just play white noise over it; it sounds dumb but it works for me
0:38 I LOVE those Chiyo-Chan slippers , are they comfy ?
PLEASE CREDIT THE ANIMES THAT ARE SHOWN AT THE START I CAN NOT BEG YOU ENOUGH
I would say probably a lack of editing. It's always easier to mess up some audio than clean it so it makes sense, but if you leave it clean I could see that being jarring. It would be interesting to compare to OVAs and movies to see if the problem exists there.
Well, this is a problem related to more of the technical/behind-the-scenes stuff. But one could argue this is the case because anime shows and films are being constantly pumped out by various studios left and right, front and center, that some aspects of the production might've needed to be rushed to complete a show scheduled to be aired/released.
Add that to some... Sometimes "questionable" work culture/environment factors that are now beginning to come to light even further than before, and I think I might've added at least one piece of the puzzle that could be the answer to this issue.
I've never had this problem, but after you mentioned it I can't unhear it anymore. Fuck.
I have never noticed this, but I certainly will now! However, I think it might actually be a stylistic decision and not a neglected feature. Animes are dramatic (as most video media is), and they are still being choreographed using techniques developed for live stage performances like plays. The characters are what is important so when they speak, all other noise is either muted mostly or completely out. Similarly, when the most important thing for the plot is that a character DIDN'T hear someone, the noise is loud and the other character only moves their mouth. For me, and I'm assuming most other people, the extreme difference between speech and bg noise fits naturally in a drama just like exaggerated facial expressions and movements do.
why
I can't unhear it now
There probably should be some ambient noise, but I don't think we should hear it as loud as the characters would hear it.
Thank you!