Beginners Guide to Hifi - Part 1 Budgeting
Vložit
- čas přidán 10. 06. 2024
- Want to put together a hifi system? What is a sensible budget to start off with? How do you allocate it between the different components? Do you go for an active or passive system? Questions answered!
As a complete beginner trying to dodge the rabbit hole of the Hifi equipment world, failing and finding myself getting lost....again, i finally found an English speaking (metaphorically as well) starting place to learn, thankyou.
Thank you Mono. That is very kind of you to say and greatly appreciated 😊👍👍
Glad to have a British perspective on audio, Harun - best of luck with this channel!
His Name is Tarun i think
Taryn, I really enjoy your videos. The information on speaker wire was excellent. Thanks Will
Thank you for watching Will. I appreciate your kind words of support 😁
Tarun, well presented and clear guidance on budget split between different components. For me 30-35%% on high quality amplifier, 30-35% on really good speakers, balance split on source(s) etc. Agree cant stress enough on good amp and speakers- they are the backbone of ones HIFi system.
Thank you. This was just a guide for people starting out 😊
This is the first video I've watched from you. Your content is really well structured. Looking forward watching your next one.👌👌👌
Thank you Oliver 😉
Yes, I was thinking the same thing (although I have watched a bunch of the videos). Tarun, if you don't mind me asking: Are you either an engineer or a medical doctor? In my family there are many of both, and all are extremely structured. :)
I started with a Sony rx70 3 CD mini hifi system back when I was at primary school in 1998, then when my dad started upgrading his equipment I then got the bug my dad gave me his old technics amp, nad turntable, bought me a denon tape deck. My late mum bought me a denon dcd 485 CD player and my late mum and my dad bought me my preowned b&w dm602s2s to get me started I then upgraded to naim amp and CD player which lasted me a good few years until one day me and my parents were out and when we came back I found both naim component's dead aparrently a massive lightning strike had hit a substation nearby a caused a massive power surge which seems the naims didn't like. So replaced both with onkyo CD player and yamaha ax396 amp which I got of ebay which I find both easy on the ear sound plus I bought a Sony minidisc player /recorder. I personally think active systems are a bit risky if the amp goes then you are up the creek
Thank you for watching and sharing your experiences Chris. Great to learn about them 😊👍
Great Channel Tarun. Really Helpful.
Thank you 👍
Weaving my way through your videos 🙂. Consider creating a playlist on YT for this series to allow a continuous play through the various videos.
Hi Off Handed, that is a fabulous idea! I am still working out how to do this vloging gig. It has put me out of my comfort zone (no bad thing) and I am learning new things with each video. Thank you for watching and supporting the channel. I really appreciate it.
Hello Tarun, I'm happy to be back to your channel, still thankful for the advice you provided maybe over a year ago now. And I'm back to comment on this video from my experience building not one but two mid-fi systems that I still think were influenced by some basic ideas you provided. This video is certainly old, but oh so alive today, and I hope you and your audience find my story useful and a complement to your advice here.
I first built a nearfield system based on a pair of active speakers (KRK Rokit 8 g4) that come each with their own class D amplifier. Paired them to an SMSL SU-9 DAC and an Allo DigiOne Signature, Raspberry Pi based streamer. Cables and all, maybe around US $1,500. I know it's not perfect, and I know a good part of issues are room/placement related, nevertheless it sounds fantastic! I mostly stream hi-res and CD quality music from Qobuz with occasional DSD files played in my computer and sent directly to the DAC, therefore, the streamer - DAC combination works very well as a source. The question for me was if these options were going to match the speakers well, and they did. Maybe I would prefer to add a bit of warmth to the system, so I'm adding a tube buffered preamp, will let you know the result. But see, this in essence is fine tuning, I could also go for a different DAC, but I'm searching for minor tweaks. The key here is that the speakers have been factory matched to the proper amplifier, had I had to do it by myself, I'm pretty sure it would have been a nightmare decision-making process with poor results. Consider me a noob with virtually no chance of auditioning the gear before buying. So, for beginners, an active speaker is a great alternative, left only with the task to find a good DAC and source, which people can work with afterwards making small adjustments.
Interestingly, my second system is also very pragmatic, for my medium sized living room, I went for the Wharfedale Denton 85th anniversary, paired to a PS Audio Sprout 100. The combination is very resolving with amazing image and soundstage, limited again by room issues. Not fully pleased as it mildly leans to the bright side, but here, if I want to fix this nuisance, I have no choice but to find another integrated that is as high performance as the sprout but warmer.... and of course within the price range, maybe not that easy.
In conclusion, for me, active speakers provided the solution for pairing the speakers with the right amplifier and left me with choices that I can fine tune without much spending. A separate amplifier is more difficult to pair to your speakers and may represent a longer journey, more fun maybe, but potentially more expensive!
As always your videos are simple, clear and very informative, many thanks!
Thank you Carlos. Much appreciated. Great to learn about your experiences 😊👍
Great videos. Im just getting started.
Thank you Austin 😉👍
This is just good basic information for the budget hi fi enthusiasts like me , , great information
Hi John, thank you for watching and I appreciate your support.
Love your content!!
Thank you Seth. I appreciate you watching 😊👍
I grew up in the days when Linn dominated hifi buying priorities and we used to spend a big chunk of the budget on the source. Now I appreciate the importance of the speakers for the enjoyment and experience.
Hi B Shah, I remember those days. I think cost effective sources have just got better and better. Heck, an Audioquest Dragonfly at the end of a computer sounds pretty good!
Great perspective on active speakers. I have my eyes set on then upcoming Klipsch Fives. Would be great to see a review from you.
Thank you for watching and the suggestion Jay 😉👍
Good impartial advice 👍
Thank you 👍
Hi Tarun , great intro video, yiy have balance view on hi fi , be upgrading soon so I have looking at your videos to help me in looking to obtain best system with budget I have . Regards mark
Thank you for watching Mark 😊
Great video. Just started with a decent entry setup. Project 1 SB turntable, Marantz PM6006 amp and Dali Oberon 1 speakers. Sounds awesome (to my untrained ear! 😀)
That is a nice system. I am not surprised you are enjoying it 😊
Sorry, does that turntable not have a pre-amp? Why do you need another amp? I'm a novice asking....
Unless you are a crazed audiophile there is no need to go down a rabbit hole on this stuff. If you simply want to upgrade from your little bluetooth speaker just close your eyes and buy any Onkyo amplifier with speakers b/w $100-200, and be done with it. Of course make sure that the amp has enough power for the speakers. All this audiophile stuff is something you grow into overtime. If you ever decide that you want to be super invested in this it will happen naturally, and you probably won't need youtube to lead in the right direction.
Great job man!
Nice ProAcs, first really good speakers I ever heard were a pair of Tablettes
Hi paul, the Tablettes are great, especially in a near field and midfield setup.
I went from a Series 21 Kenwood system as I thought it was ok for the price, then replaced with a Pioneer VSX 922 with Bowers and Wilkins 600 series speakers (wanted for more than just music)!! I now have gone old school with a Pionerr A400 and cd/dvd and cassette deck with my 685's. I will be getting my Monitor Audio Bronze and Tannoy Mercury M3's out of storage to see if they offer something different. I think as a budget setup for my style of music I will finally be satisfied?1?!?!
Thank you for sharing. I hope you get there 😉
I've spent 400 on a Yamaha subwoofer, 400 on a Marantz amp and 600 on the B&W speakers. I use my laptop for everything as source
Cool 😎
Nice to hear sane budget. Seems like today all reviewers just keep on pushing these numbers up
Hi Ran, you can get a great system for little money these days.
Great introductory video.
Would it not be more accurate to describe the so-called "active" speakers as "integrated" rather than "active" because aren't they just "passive" speakers with the amplifier in the same cabinet as the speaker?
I thought that "active" speakers were essentially when the power amplification came after the crossover and "passive" speakers were where the power amplification came before the crossover.
For example, I have a pair of Wharfedale Active Diamonds that I bought when I was at university and they are just the "passive" speakers with a small integrated amplifier in one speaker cabinet. In contrast, the converted Mordaunt Short MS-700s I inherited, which were based on the BBC LS5/8, can't be used without the custom QUAD 303 power amplifiers and associated external crossovers. I don't view the former as "active" despite the name.
Thank you my friend. Active and passive refer to the type of components in the crossover. You are right, active (electronic) crossovers are before the amp in the signal path. Passive (electrical) crossovers are after the amplifier 😊👍
I wish it was an unwanted ocean separating us I really like to meet you face to face you're talking about stereo systems but you have really good taste in music what I'm working or doing barbecue or having company over I like music like Metallica I Love jazz you play a lot of jazz I also like classical music and some International music United Kingdom and United States are totally different how we live well like you guys
Thank you Mark. Stay safe and enjoy the barbecue season 😉👍
From my experience as beginner start with the popular brands that are easy to sell away. This is because you will surely want to upgrade and your first system is a "case study" and to find out what you want.
Thank you Dave 😊
I had a couple general questions about proper set up. I have a intergrated amp and power amp, turntable, phone amp, cd player and DAC. I skimmed through something that read that one needs to seperate the analog components from the digital components. How do I do this? I'm using a 3(can add another shelf to make a 4)shelf audio rack. I figured turntable and phono amp on top, followed by both amps stacked, then the cd player and DAC on the third. Is that what is meant by seperate? Or should I buy a separate a whole new audio rack...one for analog and one for digital? Orrr...does it just mean I cant have my analog components plugged into the same power strip/ outlet as my digital components... or all the above. I will also have 2 subwoofers plugged in the power strip as well. I only have one outlet to use and will have to pull tricks to find an outlet on a seperate circuit but it can be done if need be. I have everything ready to go...just waiting on some power cables...and figuring out how to plug everything in lol. Great video..you definitely know your stuff.. Any advice would be great.
Ideally you want every component on a different shelf of a pack to minimise EMI from one component affecting another. There is no particular reason why digital components need special attention over analogue components though. Thank you for watching 😊👍
Additionally I would definitely put my turntable on the top shelf seperately. The magnetic cartridge provides a low output voltage 0.2 millivolts and is often suseptable to pickup and of course vibration.
The power amp needs adequate air flow to ensure proper cooling-so that shelf should have a larger height.
Two use for a set of £200 active hifi speakers.
The cheap 'ambient' stuff (TV, bedroom, kitchen, computer, garage), for convenience and decent sound quality (better than any Apple crap).
Then the subwoofers, where sound quality is trivial, but power, driver, cabinet design aren't.
For high end, and even budget audiophile, what would be the point? The people who are willing to spend 5 grand (or even budget beginner audiophile like me) just for stereo equipment want to be in control, tinker, replace, upgrade, explore. Doesn't matter to me that it 'outperforms' passive speakers at the same price point.
Male psychology, people. Whether it's audio, home cinema, cars, power tools, regular tools, garden sheds, computers. We're all nerds, deep down.
The market for casual buyers of a set of £2500 active speakers must be pretty small.
Yeah, but what can an audiophile system do with German Acid Techno?
Excellent video Tarun, just loved the simple explanation
I'm very new to audio and confused
My room is 10ft by 15ft
Should I go for a 2.0 setup or 2.1?
Primary use is music and movies (Netflix/Spotify)
Your opinion would be appreciated!
Hi Abhishek, if you want to get the most out of movies you definitely need a subwoofer or even better two subwoofers (i.e. 2.2 system). I have this in my bedroom system and if I could accommodate two subs downstairs, I would add another one in a heartbeat. It is not about more bass it is about clean bass. Having two subwoofers evens out the bass response in the room, it is like having active bass traps. They need careful set up though. Watch Audioholics video on how to set up a subwoofer to get the positioning and crossover frequency of the subwoofer right. Good luck and if you need any further advice just let me know. Thank you for watching.
@@abritishaudiophile7314 I'm the same edifier guy btw, after a full day of research I guess for what I'm looking for, I guess I need to up the budget quite a bit and go for a passive 2.1 setup that only would suffice by audio hunger 😅
2.2 on the other hand would be a little hard on the wallet, maybe down line will add one more.
Thank you for tremendous support
If possible please recommend a value for money 2.1 (its my first time don't want to go wrong😅🙈)
Speakers:-
Amplifier:-
Subwoofer:-
Hi Abhishek, no problem. Remember 2 small subwoofers are much better than one big one.
Hi Abhishek, the good news is that if you are looking at an entry level system there has never been a time where you can get more for your money. Depending on which country you live in different brands will be available. Stick to established brands and you won’t go wrong. Here are some of my favourites available in the uk...
Speakers
Wharfdale Diamond 220 (£120-£150)
Monitor Audio Bronze 2 (Often on sale below £200)
Amplifier
Cambridge Audio AXA25 (£199)
Amplifier - Onkyo A9010 (£229)
Don’t make the mistake of buying a cheap subwoofer, you will be better off without one until you can save up to get something like a BK Elec XLS200 £350, they used to make subwoofers for REL and are excellent for the money. However, they are factory direct and probably only available in the UK. An alternative would be the REL HT 1003 @ £499. Like I say, spend your money on the best speakers and amplifier and worry about the sub later. Good luck.
@@abritishaudiophile7314
Thank you so very much sir!
Appreciate this alot ❤️🙏
I'll buy the speakers + the amp now then mostly a Rel or svs sub heard alottt of good stuff about them
Nice video 👍🏻 B&0 🤝
Thank you 😊👍
On top of budget I think it's worth adding another 10-15% for inter connections and speaker cables.
Indeed. Thank you for watching and commenting Ted 😊
Have just 'found' your videos. Actually I have Proac and Exposure also.
I hope you are enjoying your Proac/Exposure combo. Thank you for watching and commenting.
👍
👍
When you talk about speaker prices is that for a pair or a single speaker.
Pair surely
what u guys think about wharfedale diamon 11.1 and Dynavoice CA802BT amp ?small room
I haven’t heard them Devilscore 😊
As a AudioNoob , is there a "basic" ratio you have found between how much you should spend on Source, Amplifier, Speakers, and Cable ?
Example, you have 3000 pound, how would you divide that amongst the above components??
Greatly appreciate You and your Time.
It changes as you spend more money but up to about £5k I would suggest the following. Please note that this is very general.
Speakers 40%
Amp 30%
Primary source 20%
Cables 10%
@@abritishaudiophile7314 : Thank you once again.
Hi Taryn, I am slowly getting progress on the component selection. Today I go back to a local shop that fortunately has renovation and thus good discounts on all their show components. I will have first a look at the speakers (they have for example Tannoy, Klipsch, Elac,...). Probably floor standing as the the space is big.
The budget for the whole thing is around 2000 Eur. I expect the speakers to be between 700 and 1000. So have around 1300 to 1000 left. But the rest, I don't know yet how to go with it. For sure an amp. But should it include a DAC or should that go separate? Should I have a streamer (with dac) or use that from my PC? Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Peter
Just an update. Got my speakers today. Tannoy Precision 6.2 for half the price as they were demo models. Now looking at amps. Maybe a strange thought but am looking at a Marantz pm7000n. any idea on that?
Thank you for the update Peter. Tannoy and Marantz have traditionally been a good pairing, I suspect the Precision 6.2s and Marantz 7000N may work well together. Of course, I can’t be sure as I haven’t heard the combination. My first system was a Marantz PM40SE (quickly upgraded to a PM52SE) with Tannoy DC2000 speakers. That system is still providing my parents with a great deal of listening pleasure some 30 years later.
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thanks for the reply. The Tannoys that I bought yesterday, I left in the box in the car. So today I will go to the next shop. They have various amps that could be of interest including the Marantz. So, another listening day. and hopefully will have a very nice listening evening at home.
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Back again. Didn't work, was talking more to the guy in a chat. Turns out he doesn't have it in stock. So now talking to another company. This one doesn't have the marantz but has the Quad Vena II. and has Audiolabs 6000a and M-One. I think that could be interesting to listen to. And he really has them in his showroom. So, will go there this afternoon. Update will follow.
Please let me know how you get on Peter 😉
Interesting, thank you for the enjoyable video. You mentioned expenditure - Speakers, amp and then source. I was always told the most should be spent source amp then speakers (although thats not what I ended up doing). Would you pls give further expertise?
Maybe too much to get into here George. The source first approach was pioneered by Ivor Tiefenbrun. He sold a whole bunch of Linn LP12s off the back of it. In fact, in the analogue only era it wasn’t bad advice. A turntable was a long term investment and could be continually upgraded with new arms and cartridges. Affordable DACs are really good but because technology moves relatively quickly compared to amps and speakers, I wouldn’t suggest spending any more than necessary on a DAC.
When you say smaller and bigger rooms, for the bookshelf vs floorstander. What sort of sizes are we talking about in general?
It is not an exact science but I would consider a small room below 15sq metres and a large room over 30 sq metres. Obviously middle sized in between. The distance between the speakers and their distance from you is also critical. Thank you for watching Dan.
@@abritishaudiophile7314 thank you for responding. I used to have a proper system but family and the lure of convenience turned me in to Mr. Sonos fanboy. The kids are getting older and I’m thinking about coming back in to the fold now I’m getting the odd hour to actually SIT and listen again instead of just having music on while I do stuff.
@@darkblueturbo that is great Dan. Nice to be able to start from scratch again 😉
@@abritishaudiophile7314 that is exactly NOT what my wife said when I said ‘turntable’ when she asked what I wanted for Christmas. 😂
@@darkblueturbo I would buy a couple of her favourite records and leave them somewhere visible. Crafty but effective 😉
I respect Taron's opinion's weather it be amps, Speaker cables, interconnects.. He can hear a difference between different sources/Cables.. Most people can't.. To correct in balances in audio most people like me use EQ.. This can made a harsh sounding speaker dull and a dull sounding speaker bright.. I have a pair of ATC SCM 100's highly regarded speakers but they need EQ to sound 'Real'...
Thanks cp, I appreciate your support. Thank you for sharing your experiences. Just out of interest, what amp are you using with the 100’s?
@@abritishaudiophile7314 It's a 2012 Pioneer AV receiver. SC LX85. It's a good amp class D. The ATC's i find are very dished in the upper lows and lower mids 300Hz-500Hz need a bit of a boost to get that vocal breath.. When they are EQ'd they sound superb. 👍 Thanks..
Thanks cp, if you ever feel like it you may want to get a power amp like an ATC P1. I think it may fill out the sound quite a bit. Thank you for sharing 😉
@@abritishaudiophile7314 No probs.. 👍
Just found your channel. Did I hear correctly at the beginning ? The " least important item " is the source eg the CD player. I was always told " put a poor signal in , get a poor signal out " . You could spend a fortune on speakers but it means nothing.
You suggested the total opposite. Linn owner . Confused.
Hi John, this video is aimed at people just getting started. The reality is that everything matters and needs to be at a similar level so that there is no obvious bottleneck. Ivor Tiefenbrun (Linn founder) was a great advocate of putting as much as you can into your source. He sold a whole bunch of turntables off the back of it. This was not bad advice, the LP12 could be endlessly upgraded with tonearms and cartridges so spending a lot of your budget on a turntable was a sensible long term investment. It could be accommodated in a system with future amp and speaker upgrades.
Things are very different with digital sources. Technology moves relatively quickly and the landscape changes every 5 to 10 years. Surface mount technology and advancement in IC fabrication processes means that you can get a very good digital source for not much money. This is why I can use a £400 Chord Mojo DAC on the front of what would be today £4-5k amplification and £2k speakers. Because the landscape changes so quickly, I would advise consumers to not put anymore into a digital source than necessary. I hope this makes sense. Thank you for watching 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thanks for reply. You've nailed it there. My TT is 20 odd years old now and looking to upgrade it/system in next year or so. I've watched all your advice for beginners vids this morning . Very informative.
Thank you John. I appreciate you watching 😊👍
Best budget high hi fi: Buy the best pair of active speakers you can afford, use your phone as the source.
Good advice Will 😉👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Audio snobs will look down on that advice, but modern phones act a passable DAC/pre amp alone, and or, until one has the $ to move up to something else.
which do you prefer in general sq psb,bnw or klipsch?
Hi myplaguesify, this is massive generalisation but B&W are generally a little bright sounding, Klipsch even more so and PSB about as neutral a speaker you could wish to own. Love Paul Barton (PSB), the man is a genius! 😉
@@abritishaudiophile7314 thanks man,ill be looking a psb for my next speaker,keep uploading videos
I love my PSB speakers. From time to time I obsessively consider a would be upgrade but without fail I find them so good that I let go of any such notion and just kick back and enjoy them.
Iam confused between Modi Magni stac and Ifi Zen Dac to start....and what shud I use for source other than laptop...no idea
Hi Prabhu, both good brands so I think it will be a matter of what you prefer the sound of. I haven’t auditioned them so can’t say much more. I would get the rest of your system sorted before worrying about replacing the laptop for a music streamer 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thankyou sir..appreciate apt reply..great work enlightening us...
Thank you Prabhu 😊👍
why dont you do this for iem or headphones ....i cannot find a proper guide ..........love your channel love from india
I am not much of a headphone listener but I appreciate the suggestion Arryan 😊👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 thanks brother really looking forward to some iem / h
eadphone content
I love big cone speakers but I live in efficiency in a flash flood zone mind you I still pay $ 700. Kipsch Cornwall Four I do love them you're perfect
Thank you Mark
I am going to make an extraordinary claim. I'm running Monitor Audio Bronze 6s from a grand old Yamaha RX-V2500 which on "Pure Direct" mode has a pretty good reputation.
For CD playback I've been using a Yamaha CDR-HD1300 which, back in the day, despite being a recorder, was noted as providing a solid performance.
Fairly recently I bought a budget (£80) Blue Ray player from Sony.
To cut a long story short, in back to back comparisons, in pure sound quality, stage definition and tightness... the £80 Sony out performed the (elderly but very well looked after) Yamaha that cost £500+.
I wonder, is it the case that with Blue-Ray requiring a lot faster data processing, when the same decoding hardware is presented with the relatively tiny amount of data, with bags of bit rate to spare, that is on a standard CD, it is able to really punch above it's weight, even against some more modern mid range CD specific players.
My test CD in this case was "Two Sides, The Very Best of Mike Oldfield", as his output has quite a crisp production.
Anybody else noticed Blue Ray's surprisingly good CD playback?
Thank you for sharing John
Denon has a whole complete system for $500 but getting A Separate Peace each one would be a lot better sounding right?
Hi Mark, I would like to think so but I haven’t done a straight comparison. One reason the Denon will be full featured and you could get individual components with more focus on sound quality rather than convenience.
Hi Tarun you say biggest influence on sound is your room acoustics. Your you tube recordings sound very reverberant. Your room has a lot of hard surfaces.I see no evidence of room treatment in your videos. What is the RT 60 of your room?
Hi John, this video was shot on my old iPad using its internal mic. The room has a lot of soft furnishings and isn’t too bad. I haven’t measured the RT60 time in quite a while but I would expect it to be below 1sec.
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thanks Tarun.I am thinking of treating my room.Have you any experience?
Yeh, I used to have a dedicated listening room with treatment before marriage and kids changed priorities. A RT60 time of 0.3s to 0.7s for a studio but I think 0.5s to 1.0s is perfectly acceptable in a domestic living space. If you need to get the RT60 time down, I would use diffusion or absorption at the first reflection points for the biggest bang for your buck. Just make sure that the panel is sufficiently thick to go down to the transition frequency of the room, normally around 250Hz. Otherwise, you are altering the off axis response. A 3 inch deep panel made from fibrous material should be sufficient. The good news is that most well furnished rooms should have an acceptable RT60 time without having to reduce to panels at first reflection points.
Dealing with bass issues is a much trickier proposition. You will need quite a lot of bass traps before you notice any difference. Speaker positioning is key. By adjusting the speaker location and/or listening position, you can move the nulls and peaks out of the listening position and where you get a more linear response. Multiple bass sources (I.e. main speakers and subs) help to even out the bass response in the room. Well placed subs can be considered a form of active bass management.
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thanks Tarun. My first reflection points are a gas fire and a radiator !! Interesting what you said about speakers .I read about a company that makes a speaker type device that corrects your room ,so no need for panels and traps. Also I have thought about DSP as an alternative. Mmmm more questions than answers. I suppose I could just use headphones!🙂
Yup John but that would spoil all the fun 😉
Awkward intro but fun
Sorry, it was my first video 😊
Please no ,TV,phone ,you know what I mean just hi-fi
Hi Pet Doe, not quite sure I understand. Thanks for watching though.
Think hes talking about not using phone for your music just a source ie cd player or so on.
@@abritishaudiophile7314 a great book shelf is Dali zensor 3 on custom design fs104 speaker stands sound great very detailed and sound stage is wide.
Hi Harpal, I have a heard the Dali Zenzor’s a few times. They are very good for the money and produce a natural and neutral sound. Thank you for watching and commenting.
👍