Why Real Artists Struggle On Social Media
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
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Thanks to Tyler, Lana, Bo, and all the other artists who made this video possible. Hope it helps some people navigate social media and posting their art with a little more ease and good mental health around it. Peace, and thanks as always for watching.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
02:32 I'm not a show off, I just want people to value my work
05:40 A vortex of endless content (and you)
10:44 Self-respect outside of the market validation model
17:26 How to stay sane in a land of toxic incentives
22:40 Dealing with negative feedback
24:51 The practitioner's mindset
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One of my favorite mentors told me “Artists are to create society, not be of it”
top 10 quotes
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This.....
It's just as common for society to influence/create artists who then influence society and the cycle continues.
Then explain the stranglehold people like Beyonce and Swift have always had on culture.
it feels great to disappear for few months while experiencing new things, writing or creating new things and then boom.. come back spam the entire month with art and memories
Yep this is what I’m legit doing right now 😂
Couldn't agree more lol. Like you have to live life to create great art and make art about your experiences
That’s what I’m bout to start doing
love this! I never feel like sharing what I'm doing immediately, kinda takes the magic away and gives me anxiety, once a few days or even month have passed, it is like I have creatively detached from my work and it makes it so much more fun to share without caring about the feedback you are getting.
This is what I am trying to do 😂😂😂😂
i feel like as creatives we sometimes just need a break from the world.
I hear that, thanks for dropping it.
"Get back to your restaurant job and make enough money to do your hobbies in your spare time, and say please thank you."
I feel ya on that. Shits too much rn
The market of creative work is so saturated and superficial these days that it’s often very unmotivating. What keeps me going is the elating feeling of simply creativity something I feel proud about
But never forget that you a part of the world & the one of the roles of an artist is to create novelty or the keep it funky with you - make that new shit!
I played a show last night and couldn't help but be so frustrated because I didn't promote it very well. Social media used to be a great tool for this, but it feels like you have to be a slave to it in order for your posts to be seen. In some ways I think people aren't motivated to experience art in the flesh because they see it online without any effort. But I feel that the experience is completely different.
Nothing like a live show but as you said something wrong with people and actually going out and yet many will say "theres nothing to do"
People are addicted to something they can't get in the real world.
The worst thing social media did was convince artists that mailing lists and websites were unnecessary. Time to rebuild those and start offloading followers.
as a fan but also somewhat artist (still a noob, but tried painting, try music etc.) I could not agree more. When you see live footage of concerts you been on, even if they may be good from a technical perspective like camera work, shots, resolution, lightning, sound, it still never EVER encompasses the vibe, the sounds, the smells at a show. when I compare a shitty recording of a underground show with sweat dripping from the ceiling, it will never be able to recreate that experience as for those who were actually there. where you FEEL the bass hammering in your stomach, where you feel the person next to you in the pit, where you smell the sweat, where you taste that beer at the bar afterwards running down your parched throat. I tis just an entirely different level. And even live crowds I feel have become less enthusiastic, they film everything with their smartphones, do little tiktoks, but that is everything besides being "in the moment". If I would see that from the stage, I would feel a little betrayed as an artist. people are not there for me, but to show of the experience for them, to increase their social media clout.
Unfortunately it's down to even as children they aren't taught to appreciate art look at how many schools are trying to get rid of their art programs in place of things like sports or other various programs like stem and such, it's sad unfortunately in the wake of everything else people forget that artists of all genres are the slow movers and shakers
Deleting social media accounts as a digital creative is a very lonely, but also liberating experience.
No pressure, no expectation. But ultimately limiting in terms of reaching out and connecting with other humans.
I'm struggling.
Learn to use it for specific purposes within reason and avoid doom scrolling.
There is value in it when used appropriately, just don't let it suck you into a pattern of consumption.
@spiritlevelstudios i feel like this is easier said than done. I don't believe if possible to do this while still trapped in the cycle of cheap dopamine seeking. Especially depending on your age, some kids that's all they know.
What you've just articulated is literally the place I find myself. After turning away from social media with my art, for reasons this video perfectly deconstructed!. I find It's exceedingly difficult to stay motivated, when what you create/share isn't what's trending at the moment. I love & value my art. But feeling like no one else really does is a heavy burden to bare. BIG Thanks to the creator of this video for speaking on this topic!.
Deleted my social media, forced myself to go out, had a great time that night, got the best pics in years and the urge to share them bc I wanted to be seen, not realizing the hundreds of people I crossed paths with that night. It's a paradox. Social media is now "the internet" and too many people view it as their lifeline, without which they cannot exist. 🤦♂️
Right but if nobody ever sees your art apart from You then whats the point of even making it?
I’ve been thinking about this sort of thing a lot lately. In the past artists tended to be the more outcasted or against the grain types. Now with social media being so accessible to everybody, it’s become the cool kids playground yet again. It’s now content creator first and art second. As a result the types with better people skills who were better at fitting in will now rise above the quieter more eccentric types who had trouble fitting in because of the thing that made them different.
yeah content creator first and art second is a really scary truth for a lot of the industry around artists in 2024 - that slide is easy no doubt. Thanks for adding your thoughts and for taking the time to comment.
Very true. I've noticed that increasingly the successful artists and designers are often better at marketing than at art making or design, in my opinion anyway. Talented artists and designers who don't know how to or refuse to market themselves and their work are often unemployed or required to work in other fields.
I just don't understand how we are linking eccentric and quiet as if all artists are introverts. It's so bizarre.
Wasn’t really trying to make it an introvert vs extrovert thing. Extrovert doesn’t necessarily mean the opposite of quiet, just that you energize by socializing. Extroverts seek excitement and social activity. Extroverts would be part of the group I described as the “types with better people skills who were better at fitting in”. But the video was about “real artists” so my comment was kind of generalized based on my experiences. Being a real artist is not an exclusive club for introverts haha, I just happen to be one so that’s my somewhat subjective opinion.
@@uui219not all artists are bizarre and introverted but a lot of them are.
thank you dude, i feel seen. i’m just tired. i’m a music artist myself, and i fucking hate the fact that on top of writing my own songs, making my beats, recording the vocals, producing the songs with the vocals, and then mixing the songs, i ALSO have to be a damn CONTENT CREATOR on tiktok. or else my songs wont get heard. basically i’m competing against and catering to folks constantly dwindling attention spans, and an ever changing algorithm, and when i think about this, i get very discouraged. appearing too self absorbed or cringe or someone i know see a piece of content i post, makes me very anxious. cause what if they don’t understand it? what if in my pursuit to carve a niche, i become a piece to the machine that is “content creation” and stop creating music entirely? anyway, thank you for this video bro. subbed 🗡
I'm just glad this video connected for you, 'cause you've basically outlined the exact experience and tensions for artists that I was trying to flesh out. Sounds like you're f*****ing trying man, so props to you, and thanks for leaving the comment, it matters my side to know it's making sense.
Brother !! Oh brother ! You’re going through the same crisis as I went through. Know that you’re part of the geniuses bc you do the work of a team. But now you must realize that you can’t do the rest alone you need help ! It’s not your job to promote your music. Ofc you could do it.. if you make a travesty of yourself. Hand it over to someone else, it’ll be easy for them and will create good results as you focus on the artistic AND engineering aspects
I’m right there with you my guy. I’m a songwriter/composer and it’s very exhausting that - on top of honing the artistic skills of music making - we also need to do this weird song and dance of marketing. Something that sometimes feels like engaging in black magic. Like, I just want to write songs.
Same. I write my own sketch comedy. Original, no short span TikTok vids. I put 1 week into a 6 min video sometimes. Very little support and video views
Well, you can do that yourself, or you can pay someone else to do it for you. It's not like there was ever a time where music didn't need promotion to get heard. And there are a zillion stories about band members arguing over money and credit for who did what on what song, so there's always going to be problems that are not directly about the music.
You hit the nail on the the head with something that has bothered me for a long time. art posted online has to compete for attention, and often loses, against low effort, mediocre content that no one really cared about when making it. Comparison is the thief of joy, but it does feel pretty unjust sometimes that there is very little correlation between artistic merit and viability of livelihood.
there has always been an inverse relationship there. the trope of the starving artist exists for a reason.
Before I got onto social media I would get so excited about creating. I felt so happy since i spent all this time developing skills but after I decided to start putting things on social media i lost that happiness. Its sad.
Watching ppl smilingly approach a celebrity for a selfie, take it, then walk away is so odd. It's like they're taking a little piece of you, bit by bit, until it's all gone.
Have You seen the people who show up to important events to simply take some photos to post on social media then they leave? They dont care about the story or the people they just care about how they look and nothing more.
In 2023, I walked away from the entire world to focus on my album. No Social Media. The gym and youtube were my only outlets to the world and channels like this because I wanted to stay connected to the process and know the feelings and emotions I've had during the process were shared. Promotion is so important but its a pain because it feels invasive and artists dont want to seem any more self-centered than we already appear. But I've been working damn hard on my album and I'm tremendously proud of what I've put together and any social media fears are displaced by the urge to express.
I'm so happy to be reading this comment. I have made the decision to do the same for myself in 2024. I recently started a CZcams channel and my intention is to focus on that and my art. I'm ready to be free from the tethering to the world in all its forms. I'm so excited for you and look forward to hearing your music. Love and strength on your way ❤
@@vuyissecretgarden Thank you. You made the right decision. Just stay focused and dedicated to the purpose. Nothing outside is so important that it takes you away from your craft. Prayers that your youtube channel does everything you've hoped it could do for you, in time. Hopefully my music will find you in that space. Love and strength to you as well!
your prayers are recieved with an open heart, camagu@@jonfieldsmusic - your music has found me... Maybe one day our sounds can play together. Be well and blessings brother 🍂
Now I want to hear it
I wanna listen to that album mate
Honey, if you’re an actual artist, you can’t stay sane on social media.
If you can stay sane on social media you were never really sane.
I try to balance my time on social media, I cut it to a certain time frame, I don't use it to socialize any longer, truth can't or it would drive me insane, been there. Hold tight
the biggest problem a real artist can have is being dependent on social media
I feel like I have the opposite problem and have to force myself to post stuff…that said, I’m sure the lack of self promotion has negatively affected my business/sales haha
I'm really happy I haven't put myself out on any social media so far, aside from my little youtube channel that also was only created a year ago.
When I create stuff, I do it mostly for myself to my own standards. Maybe, if these creations become good enough for me to make them 'something', I might use social media for promotion and such; but for now, I'm doing music because I want to do music.
Also whenever CZcams recommends me a video from a small channel and I like it, I'm sure to be one of the 5 people that leave a nice and encouraging comment under it; I know it means the world to them and I hope it makes them more confident about what they're doing. Even if it's just a simple 'absolute banger' or 'this is fire' or whatever, I know it won't be unseen and I know from my own experience that it really, really helps motivating oneself to continue doing it.
Yeh same, love the small channels.
Thats so sweet of you to leave encouraging words for people. I do that too 😊
Chase your dreams. No one knows you like you do. If you know you can be great then go be great. There’s no limit if you don’t want there to be
Following your dreams doesn't mean you're immune to illness or accidents or that you have endless funds for your dreams, or that you have more than 24 hours in a day. You're lying to yourself in a dangerous way if you pretend there are no limits.
I have millions of followers in Latin America, to the point of having to hide on plain sight. Success is a great thing but it's also a terrible burden. No one tells you that you have detach your inner self from your online persona. Until it's too late. I had several mental breakdowns during my career. Now I have very few real life friends, which are an improvement from all the sycophants, sociopaths and narcissists I met through the years. It's not easy. My sympathies for all the celebrities that end up in rehab. It's almost like a rite of passage.
True.
Separating yourself from your personal sounds paradoxically difficult to do when we live in a world where consumers increasingly demand 'authenticity' and access to artists/creators.
@@righteouslioncomedian1069 There will come a time when authenticity is being sold to the masses, and people will start to pretend to be "authentic" and we won't be able to distinguish authentic people from inauthentic people
@@kelechi_77
We're probably on our way there already.
That sounds rough man. I wish you all the best and hope you can continue your art in a way that works for you.
@kelechi_77 I think were already there
I’ve found that a good way to make content for social media is to not intent to actually do so to promote yourself because ofc you’ll be burned out if you force yourself to make content to grow. What has helped me is seeing it as just another creative project. If I take pics of myself I make sure I’m saying something I care about with them. I play with fashion and with poses for the artistry. And I look at myself as a character I would love to bring to life. If I make videos I also treat them as a cool project so I make sure the lighting and the angles are what I would like to see in a movie for example. Everything around that mindset helps me be consistent with creating. Once posted it is none of my business. If anything it’s a portafolio
This is me. Anti-social MEDIA
Gotta be a better way to get to the authentic people.
Feels like there's a lot of space getting ignored in the 'real' physical world at the moment - so I agree with you. Peace, thanks for taking the time to drop in and comment.
I completely agree. Perhaps there are those of us who, by stepping back from the medium, can re-imagine ways of doing things differently, more authentically and organically. I'm stepping back from social media this year to touch and live life differently.
@@vuyissecretgarden
Definitely, I deleted my Facebook on New Years Day ✊🏾
It's only getting worse bro. would you be willing to risk your art falling to the wayside to make this point? Is this the hill to die on?
@@kingraj333
I definitely WOULD NOT!
This is partly why my music career has not been the greatest lol
This was so helpful & heartbreaking at the same time. Hearing Tyler say people don't even wanna talk if he's not down for a pic makes me feel like we are living in that dystopian future. You making this video to show us a way to use the tool of social media - without losing our sanity or creativity - making me feel like...we gone be alright 🙌🏾 Thank you!
Glad I could bring that bit of hope through the discussion here - we are very very deep in this social media game now, in terms of the Tyler comment, not everyone buying it though. For me, the best experience of music has always been live, so some things can never go - thanks for taking the time to comment - it's appreciated.
I’ve been making music for something like six years. I put up everything I make, which can be downloaded for free. I don’t promote because I can’t stand having to beg for attention. It’s there if anybody finds it. That’s good enough for me. I think the biggest thing is making things because you enjoy it. So many people get caught up in making money or getting attention. That’s not the point. I have a regular job. I wish I had more time to do what I love. I actually got 137 plays in Finland the other day. That was nice
I want to find your music now :(
Links?
Times have really changed though...that's something I don't see people talking about. I was born in 70 and have been in music and art scenes since the 90s.
Fans used to love what you do and be first in line to BUY it. That led you to HAVE A WAY AND A REASON TO DO MORE.
Nowadays "Fans" expect you to be willing to do EVERYTHING at the highest levels of quality and then give it to them for FREE because they like it really hard. Back when I'd waste my time talking to people about this, EVERY TIME I reversed our situations and asked THEM what they would do at their OWN expense and then give to me for free all I ever got was an incredulous responses...like they were offended that I just asked them to do what they just asked ME to do...
It's total Bullshit. Whenever I talk to younger artist now I tell them the NUMER ONE RULE is that the ONLY kind of Fan you want is one who BOUGHT your work. Otherwise, don't waste time dealing with them. If you can afford a $5 Frappuccino and Jordans, you can afford a $1.29 song...
I love the channel and all the advice you give. Its more important now than ever. However I feel like I keep seeing faces like Billie Eilish, Tyler the creator, Lana Del Ray, and Rick Ruban etc always talking about how hard it is to be a creative. These people are literally superstars. At least some of them have teams of people that carefully control their public persona and social media identity. I wish I could hear more from the people, the artists, that have kept a creative practice going without much or any large scale recognition. The creatives that work at your local bar or coffee shop day in day out so they can go home and do what matters to them. Making things.
this is an interesting concept someone should def make a series outta this, profound things can definitely come from everyday peoples yk
Not too much on my sis Lana, she’s as self made as can be. She’s a poetic genius who lived in a trailer park before she wrote her way out herself !
That should be commended
I hear you on this, and this gets me thinking on these topics. I did one video where I interviewed some creatives who were pushing at an earlier stage in their career which I'll link. But you've got me thinking on this going forward too, cheers for dropping the thoughts. czcams.com/video/sQgf6c6h3G4/video.html
@@mccandless666 Lie again, if you were a real lana fan you would know she disowned her parents after they had sent her to boarding school, her dad and her have only reconnected within the past 6-8 years. She has songs about this (majority recently) and has spoken about it in interviews towards the beginning...
I want to leave social media but it’s how my art is promoted, im not at a level where I can make money without it but it’s soul crushing
THATS WHY U CANT CUZ LOOK AT WHAT U TELLING YOURSELF
Wow, great video. I've been feeling frustrated in recent years watching so many people produce 'content' -- quick, easy content with the core intention to get views and make money -- and with how all of the platforms work these days, that's exactly what works. Spending time and effort and passion making something you care about is becoming riskier if you want to succeed as an artist. Not impossible, thankfully, but it isn't easy.
For me the pressure I felt from social media and always needing to produce *something* for the algorithm caused me to go into a intense creative block and then a full-out burnout.
Thanks for sharing that piece of your own story. I hear you, especially around burnout chasing views on social media. Glad this video connected for your own creative practice, and thanks for taking the time to drop in and leave the comment.
When I post stuff, that Tyler the creator interview pops up in my head when he said "so what if people don't like it? You're building your resume..."
Truth
❤ where can I find the full interview
Hello. I'm an artist, author, photographer, music composer. I don't always have words to express about my creativity. I saw others that didn't either. Someone even called them stupid. I thought that was disrespectful. I learned by watching other artists, and I learn a lot from them. I learn about their success, and their tragic ends. I learned that a lot of things don't matter. I enjoy my creativity, but don't need approval, or validation.
I’m a graphic designer I also taking a break from social media. Mental Stress is hard to take. But times will passed by to refresh your mind. Creativity takes time so no hurry posting your art work.
I found myself struggling with my music and I wondered why creating it didn't make me happy anymore. I realized its because I was making music with social media already in mind. It wasnt for me, it was what other people would like and make viral online. It seems so simple but its a very deep and sinister creep. You don't even realize its the weight thats been dragging your creativity down until you break down your thoughts. I began writing journal entries on Word about my thought process, and it made everything very clear to me. Im seriously about to get a Light Phone and say F it to all of social media for a while. The internet used to be confined to a single place, a computer in a room in your house. But now its everywhere. Thanks for the video.
This hits home, , There was a moment in time where I liked feedback but felt cheated from non feedback critiques, Soon I came to realize that to be true to yourself you have to stop chasing .
I haven't used instagram for over a year... I'm tempted to get back on because I know it's helpful for promoting music, and I used to connect with some of my friends through that medium... but idk. It has also been really nice to not have that factor of wondering what people think of me, or *if* they are thinking about me. It used to drive me nuts.
There's an awesome community of music fans on Instagram who are extremely supportive and understanding and a lot of them could even share stories of getting sober. Stay strong!
THIS! Ive been off it pretty much for about 2 years? and I justgot back on and for the past week I am constantly thinking on what people think of me or if they are thinking of me. Like oh did they see this post? and then you see others post and youre energetically mingled but then no interaction or support from people which gets my mind thinking so they dont support me? It sounds cheesy cause I generally dont care what people think of me and know im awesome but insta triggers this thinking and hope I can just balance it out and not care
Ahh dude - just wanted to check in to say thank you for this. I’ve been struggling with this for a while - feeling the stress of being an artist who seems to be judged on online output. Really helpful stuff.
And a message for you. There’s a lot of waffle on CZcams - people preaching, but with quite an empty message. You’re the opposite of that man. Really incredibly structured, this vid.
Thanks again,
J
Appreciate the words of support and the love for the video. Really glad this one is connecting with what people are feeling about this topic. Thanks for taking the time to drop the comment and drop in - it's appreciated.
so many artists keep dropping off of spotify and youtube and we the fans suffer and lose the art we love.
I can agree with this. I took a step back from social media, and I gotta tell you, it's the best decision I've made. I have more time to reflect on my life and really focus on my art.
I am struggling with this same feeling and I’m so glad I found this video because it shows me at the very least someone out there understands to make ur art at ur own pace anyway
Thank you. This has been my biggest struggle as an artist. And how to play the game or if I even should has been on my mind heavy for a while.
It's a real balance to make these choices, I hear you. Thanks for sharing a piece of where you're at, and really glad this video resonated with your own creative work.
Social media is like a digital cancer . All content creators ruled by algorithms of big techs and pretty much enslaved by the money brings a lot of superficial content that just makes me bored and not inspired.. just you tube for me still productive cause it’s easy to discover and learn new things. Buts it’s kinda sad that screens prevent you from living the real thing outside, prevents you from get in touch with real art , the physical aspect of the art experience (play an instrument, singing, painting..) is what I need more, and not talkin to cameras for casual social content and miserable algorithm coins.
I feel it's great that you classify social media as a tool. People need to remember rule 1 about tools, respect the tool or it can hurt you social media can hurt you just as much as any physical tool can I myself only use social media as a showcase for my work I don't try to go out and get 100 or more likes if people like it they like it if not I move on with my day and keep creating I feel and this is just my opinion that a lot of artists would benefit from looking into philosophy particularly stoicism and how to use its mindset to separate themselves from the everyday grind on social media
we need a social platform that challenges the way and why we upload. an platform with a community who creates because they love too and want to support other creatives and entrepreneurs. we're working on that platform now and we'd definitely like to talk to the creative minds team to see if it's something you'd all be interested in. No ads will ever be ran on the platform, just genuine creativity, support, collaboration, and great vibes!
They already exist but they aren't popular.
That's how most platforms start, but at some point - understandably - they want to make money and then end up getting subsumed by a bigger platform. It's the usual process that I've observed.
I love the balance in this video! Acknowledging the necessity of social media yet not putting all our eggs in that basket, and keeping it real with the practice behind it before dipping into the shallower waters to promote it and hope it lands. Not overinvesting in that side of it but keeping the emphasis on creating the best possible work, then being conscious of the fact that social media promo is an entirely different ballgame and that the work can be shared and shown there to invite deeper interest. The demoralising thing now is the feeling that few people will get beyond the 15 second clip or quick like to really delve or connect more deeply, or that's how it feels
your videos have been very inspirational dawg I can’t even lie.
I think it’s always super hard in the beginning as an artist because we ourselves have an idea of the art we want to make but it just hasn’t been released yet that all people do is judge based off of what they see & are presented with right now
Glad this video connected with you, and thanks for dropping a piece of your experience and thoughts - it's appreciated.
@@creativemindsyoutube ✌🏽🔥🦅
I can't thank you enough for this amazing video. It speaks to a lot of what I'm experiencing at the moment.
I'm a painter. I've been evaluating the nature and purpose of Instagram for the past couple of days (though on/off for a few years now, as I've struggled to find my audience there). I realised yesterday that the type of art that I make, that feels important to me, is not well suited to Instagram's focus. Art, such as a painting, is enjoyed and consumed slowly, over years if it's up on someone's wall. How does this slow consumption relate to how we're told to grow on the platform - which is hook-driven, fast-paced, 10-second reels? What are those reels communicating to the people we're trying to appeal to?
To fit into the Instagram space, I must change myself to suit the platform. Artists are usually quiet, introspective, deep-thinking, sensitive people. Instagram is the opposite of those qualities. It demands the artist to become something they probably don't want to be: loud, attention-seeking, gimmicky, inauthentic, people-pleasing.
Add "I need to make money from this down the line" and you've got yourself a recipe for artists who feel depressed, anxious, confused and frustrated.
I'm trying to work my way through a maze of complex emotional responses to posting on social media - for me it isn't easy to post and forget about it. Your video has really helped, thank you.
even though theres so many issues with the modern artist, i am SO thankful we're finally having these discussions. something needs to change in the modern landscape of artistry and the first step is awareness that there IS a problem. thank you CM
This was brilliant and super well timed for me, loved the interview snippets as well. Thanks for reframing all this for the "non show-off" artists like me. I always feel like I have to prove something in order to get seen, but you're right - what I make isn't an ad, or marketing. It's real art and all online spaces need more of that. Cheers!
I can’t even tell you how helpful that was. I JUST started sharing and attempting to sell my art, yet I’ve been an artist (inconsistently and in different mediums, but still, an artist) for about 14 years. I feel so vulnerable and yet I want to share, want to bring people into my world so badly. But I’m struggling to know how, and how to avoid these toxic traps you’re talking about. So much good food for thought here. Thank you!!
I personally hate the artists whose approach to success on social media revolves around creating drama about other artists. No matter how good their art might be, they thrive on stepping over others and defaming the character of artists who very often are young and inexperienced, subjecting them to social media scrutiny and mobs of online bullies without regard for the risk this poses (suicide in the worst of cases), all the while virtue signaling and making a nice profit. Sometimes they screw up and find themselves on the other side, getting cancelled and whatnot, but the fact that there's an incentive for artists to do this in the first place is so horrible.
I think putting socials into a work folder is brilliant! Thanks! ❤
Thanks for making these videos, I really enjoy them!
I needed this man. Thank you
Companies you rely on to get listens, such as Spotify, make it worse as well - whenever you submit a song for their official playlists. They want to know what you're doing on Tik Tok etc to promote your songs, if you're not going hard on social media, they won't add you to your official playlists.
So you're not getting rated on the actual quality of your song anymore (if you ever where) but on how many eyeballs you can capture on social media and bring to their site. It's twisting your arm into doing stuff you don't want to do.
Your content is raw. Needed this. Thank you.
This is the most thoughtful take on this I’ve heard. Thank you
This was absolutely awesome. I took notes. Thank you.
Thank you soo much for making this! It really helps a lot.
Love your videos man. They are so needed in the times we are currently living. Thank you
Thank you so much ❤❤❤. Big hugs of gratitude for this video
really love these videos! thank you for sharing
Thank you, sir, thank you for making this.
We need more of precisely these kinds of videos.
all too relatable. thank you for putting this to words so carefully. i hope you realise that what you do is insanely meaningful and helpful!
you always seem to make the exact vid i need to see at the exact right time is actually spooky af haha great vid as always mate
Really really struggling, thank you for helpful video x
You’ve given words to feelings I struggle with. The difference between market-driven content and trying to make art IS different. And yet they share the same spaces on social media. Interesting issue.
Absolutely brilliant and incredibly helpful. I have felt my creative drive slip away as social media has grown up/blown up around me. Much of this has been mainly due to the points you raise here. This is a great analytical evaluation of an ever evolving machine and its impact on the artist. Thank you again, there is much to reflect on here.
Excellent video, thanks for making. Really helped me flesh out some things in my mind.
I really enjoyed hearing your thoughts on this, it's often a touchy subject. But you really put it genuinely and in a non obtrusive way.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe you mentioned the idea that some artists could simply NOT engage with the capitalistic mindset at all. As in make art for themselves. Or for their community. Rather than for any sort of marketability or profit.
I recently had a conversation with a friend about this topic. Because they have a full time career outside of art, so for them art making is a very deliberate, personal, and intimate part of their life. That they willingly share, sometimes online. But it got the a point where outside perspectives really weigh the oppressive opinion that art is a waste of time, or a side hobby, if it's not making money. And we strongly disagree with that.
There were different perspectives on this too, I have a small art business and sell my art. It doesn't sustain me entirely and it's very difficult and confusing. Income from my partner keeps us afloat, and pays half the bills. While I love it, I also hate that it consumes me and my time. Yes I'm making art, but it's specific art that I deliberately make to sell. Or has sold before so I make similar things. It keeps me in a box, one that I created, but it's still there because of the expectations of selling the art. I also make art outside of the business, for myself. And it's truly an intimate and personal experience when I make time to just vent my feelings in a way I can't express without art. So the business art really exhausts my creativity and makes me second guess everything while I struggle to deal with just wanting to make the personal artwork instead.
On the other hand, my friend works full time for a job that is not art related at all. And he uses all of his free time to create art, or follow other passions. Because he isn't bogged down by expectations for his art. He makes what he wants, when he wants, because he wants to. Not financial strains tethered to the art at all to sway its creation.
Genuinely I appreciate how many artists make a living with their art. It's inspiring. But I also know personally it's also demoralizing, soul crushing, and can change an artists intentions with their art over time.
I just don't see many people talking about how artists can just be artists. Without marketing themselves as content or a product to sell. Maybe the best option for some people is to just let themselves create art without any preexisting thought of how can they "move up the ladder."
Just make art because you love to make art. It's okay. Make it because there's somethings inside of you that need to be expressed only through art. Don't share everything. Keep it. Share it with those close to you. Do it for yourself. Art can be introspective and selfish. That's okay. Let it be.
Just discovering your content. This is incredible work, friend. Thank you
I have never felt more seen. Amazing video that nearly brought me to tears.
Found so much value - at least just validation of my experiences - in this so thank you very much for making it !
I value your work, you do such a well job explaining things, I’ve been watching you anytime I get on CZcams and need guidance in my art and you help a lot. Thank you truly. God bless you, keep doing these beautiful pieces
Sensational video brother!! Spot on and really great in depth analysis of the situation, as well as some good mindset tips I hadn't considered enough. :)
I really needed this, thank you for creating such a helpful video. I've been filming my first year-long project, and I've found so many creative roadblocks in my mind that I need to have the self-will power to overcome. It's good to know I'm not alone in this.
Excellent video essay, watched the whole thing well done
Excellent ideas delivered with a really helpful spirit - thanks!
Love the ideas in this one, great, thoughtful piece on the creative experience
I loved your messege and take on this ❤
This was so densely packed with thoughtful information and perspective. I feel like I may have to come back and watch it again from time to time. ❤
I used to do reaction videos and music analysis because it was easy, instead of creating the art that I loved. That gathered eyes and attention. As soon as I started to shift toward what I want to create, the supporters and the money disappeared. There's a really pull towards making quick and easy content, but every time I did it I was dying a little inside. Now I don't know what I want to do. Is there even a space for what I really want to create on here? I don't know. As someone who lives on Disability, the monetization aspect is a big deal. When money becomes the primary driver, the artist in me dies. I have to shift for creating art that comes from my soul, to people pleasing so the numbers won't go down. It's a toughy.
Beautiful. Just beautiful! I got soooo much from this and I will be re-watching it and I want to thank you for your honesty and vulnerability and courage!
I needed this video! Thank you!
Artists are lone wolfs. Social Media though is a place of community, cooperation and collaboration. So the artist has to change and become a collaborator to be succesful. Will the artist still be the artist after he achieved this? I don't know. Will a part of his vision be a part of this world? I'm sure it will.
I really dig the thoughtful way you're opening discussions in this. Thanks for taking the time to drop this.
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I love this comment!!
It’s not Art.., it’s a way of life .. 😎
Thank you so much, your videos have been such an important part of my journey. I just released my first song on soundcloud, and I've decided I'm going to go for it. Art is my everything, it's what keeps me here, and I want to devote my life to it. I wonder how beautiful life can be when you choose to live.
this was an incredibly helpful, validating video. ❤
Another great and much needed video / topic x thank you for making these
Thank you for this. As a new artist I've been feeling like my work has to go in the direction of where the likes and comments multiply, but it's not been good for the artist side of me. You gave me a lot to think about and I thank you.
Really great video I’ve been saying almost two years now that I need to create boundaries and not be on social media as a consumer but a producer. I also like your idea of creating a folder and calling it “work”.
Great video! Super helpful advice for creatives. Its so easy to slip into being obsessive over your social media presence as an artist.
Good job bro.
Appreciate you being so thoughtful in your analysis.
Appreciate the kind words on that - I certainly went in on this. It's a deeeep topic when you get going lol. Thanks for taking the time to drop the support and leave the comment.
Thank you so much for this you've done a really great job. It was actually quite emotional to watch! So much you said I think about often. For the last few years, I make stuff and just leave it in my room. Now I share it only on stories! I didn't release this was a thing for lots of creative people and I'm doing more this year. You've really helped, thanks.
Glad this one resonated like that with your own creative work. Thanks for taking the time to comment and support, it's appreciated.
great 2024 man, your videos are always great videos to watch.
you make the best videos on youtube for creatives, thank you for all of these gems and inspo
Thanks for the kind words on that, really glad these are connecting with people.
I can't put into words the amount of value I found in your video, so I'll just say thank you. Certainly a refreshing perspective
Wow this really put my thoughts into words. Ive been struggling with this for so long and I dont really have a real life community as an artist, so I often feel really lost and not sure how to navigate my career.
Very thoughtfully written, subbed!
Bro I love your videos you're a big inspiration please never quit!
Not planning on it. Thanks for taking the time to let me know the videos are doing good. Peaceeeee
New to your channel, this was a very inspiring video and super insightful! Thanks ❤
Ngl I can admit to this. I been makeing music since 2012.. gave up on myself due to self doubt n at the time the internet wasn't like how it is today. Started making music again and producing for other small artists in my city n I can say the social media and constant posting n feeding my ego and validation of my craft. Sumtimes u can get lost in all this n it leaves u exhausted and wanting more. Sumtimes I have to take a month to 2 month break from it all. Social media has its dark moments but when it has its highlights n sense of purposes its great.
Thanks for sharing that piece of your story in here. My takes are always going to be curated and limited to just my experience of stuff really, so I massively appreciate people adding to the discussion. Cheers for taking the time.
So glad I came across this video. Subscribed.
I really needed this video, been goin thru it.
This is the quality I look for in youtube. Been following for a while now
this was great, thanks for this.
another great video to give more perspective on the life of artists using social media as a tool and the pros and cons of getting lost in it and it conflicting with the pure artist intention, thank you Creative Minds for this video - with gratitude, LaynoProd
Cheers for your consistent support Layno (know that it's always appreciated out here).