The Bible: A queer positive book | Rev. Dr. Cheri DiNovo | TEDxToronto
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- Within the pages of the Bible shines clear evidence and proof of a queer positive culture. The Bible must never again be used as an excuse for hate and division of the LGBTQ community. Rev. Dr. Cheri DiNovo has been the Member of Parliament for Parkdale - High Park for the last 11 years. She holds the record for most Private Member’s Bills passed by an MPP and the most pro-LGBTQ legislation than anyone in Canadian history. DiNovo is an ordained United Church Minister who performed the first legalized same-sex marriage. DiNovo won the Lambda Literary Award in Washington D.C. for spirituality and religion for her book, Queering Evangelism and has received numerous high profile awards for her 40+ years of activism. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
You'd think an ordained minister would know that John the Baptist wasn't one of the 12 disciples.
Well she’s not a minister.. ministers are to be men, and men that know what they’re talking about.. She’s preaching experience and feelings..
And why is that? Was one gender more corrupted than the other by the Eden fruit? The offspring, rather?
chris sonofpear1 It’s the created order..
🤣 @ John the Baptist was one of the twelve apostles and the funnier part is that 2,314 people agreed!
@@angieh4534 Women were ministering and served as deacons and leaders in the early church. It wasn't until after a few centuries that this was changed.
the Ethiopian eunuch wasn't even close to the first convert, Philip had no problem baptizing him, and the eunuch wasn't quoting scripture at him; he was asking Philip to explain a passage. Acts 8. Not to be aggressive but.. What Bible is she reading??
The one she pulled out of her patootie
Can we go out some time?
I think she didn’t read the part where Philip asked “do you understand what you are reading?”
Anna Doyle you go girl! At least somebody is not lazy to read real Bible, that's not so hard after all
the secular bible is what she's teaching from lol.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Matthew 7:21-23
that's easy to say if you are not lgbtq
@@pumfeethermodynamics3286 The same applies to everybody
Right, many bigots who use the Bible as a tool of hate will not enter heaven as they’re not Christian of heart
@@QueenKrystina Your "hate" title is undefined and based on ignorance or willfull ignorance of what the Bible says.
Basically anything you dont agree with you label as "hate"
The Bible also says "even your own heart can deceive you, who can know it..."
Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding
@@infinis_2609 "Even your own heart can deceive you., who can know it..." you quoted it lol!
Philip was not opposed to baptizing the Ethiopian eunuch. He was sent by the Holy Spirit to lead the eunuch to Jesus and then to baptize him. It was the eunuch who did not understand what the passage in Isaiah was talking about. "How can I understand unless someone explains it to me." the eunuch asked. Philip preached Jesus to him from the book of Isaiah. The eunuch asked, "What hinders me from being baptized?" Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart." The eunuch said, "I believe that Jesus is the Son of God." Then Philip baptized him.
Based
Jesus was a eunuch btw
I don't understand why she never opened the Bible she was holding to reference the points that she was making.
yup me too
Because she can't support her views with the Word of God
Cause she's a wolf in sheep's clothing!
Stacey Nash it's just a prop for her heresy
@RTHA300 decent people care
That man is John but not John the Baptist, John the Baptist was never Jesus’ disciple.
Khoi Doan she is so confused. Satan twists the scriptures too
Disciples are anyone who followed. Apostles were disciples who were sent to follow
John the Baptist was Jesus cousin. If I'm correct ..
@@JohnMcLeanWolff The scripture says so.
Cocoa Chanel what are you referring to?
You can't get a valid theology from medieval and renaissance art. You get valid theology from the Word of God.
Art is a human concept, but the Bible is the story God has spoken!
101 Airborne
amen
She even thinks John the Baptist was alive at the time of the Last Supper...oops.
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Nerdy Tom and she needs to brush up on her art history !
No, that was John the Disciple that Jesus loved. John the Baptist was beheaded LONG before the last supper. Not a mistake someone who claims to be of the clergy to make.
She is clearly assuming that the entire audience has no clue what is actually in the Bible. Sadly, this is the case with many pastors and ministers at many churches.
I'll just assume that she made a mistake and misspoke. Surely she must know the difference between the two Johns. Just change her reference to John the Disciple, and everything else she says is still true.
This was distracting for me too. I wanted to learn this perspective, but her messing up this very knowable and common detail discredited her to me. I kept listening, and she made some good points, but I took it all with a grain of salt.
This is more of a comedy than a Ted talk. I'm only at minute 4 and she doesn't misinterpret the Bible. She says things that aren't even close to the Bible. Its like she is making things up as she goes along jolding the Bible as a prop. If she tried to open it the pages would stick together because she never read it
Wayne Jamel lol so true
lol
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. She’s just straight lying. Just holding the Bible Twisting the word of God
seriously! somebody please tell me she's joking xD
Also, why is that Word apparently INCOMPLETE on some fairly IMPORTANT bits of backstory?
About the Fall, free will, curses, what knowledge Eve did or DIDN'T have, and so on?
Is this a study on the Bible or on paintings
Study on paintings
Althea Lacuna Amen 🙏 the Bible is about History of Righteousness
It dern sure isn't on the Bible! 🤦🏽♀️🤣😂
Wayne Jamel you need to calm down I’ve seen that you’ve commented like 7 times
@@jackjonestx So what?!! Wayne can comment as many times as he wants. If you don't want to read them then don't.
Paintings aren’t the holy inspired word of God....
alyssa mouser God explicitly says in the Bible that He inspired it. He has never explicitly claimed paintings as His own words. Sure he inspires art, but that doesn’t make it a direct transcript of Himself.
So we have Him to... er... THANK, for Leviticus 25:46 then? And others?
@@chrissonofpear1384 ?
@@chrissonofpear1384 oh I don't know with that messed up brain of yours,
Like not thanking your mother for not making you
But I can SEE her, and she didn't make major decisions on if I could see reality for real, or not, before I was born?
I counted 13 scriptural and historical incorrect statements and I was being nice. We shouldn’t use the Bible as a club against anyone, we should use it as a tool to preach to the unbelievers. The Holy Spirit will begin to convict them along with the Bible and they will try to stop sins and live for God
Absolutely agree
I stop listening when she don't know the difference between John Baptist and John the disciple
the club would be more effective
Yolandè Solomons
and what’s amazing is our stopping of sinning isn’t what saves us!! It’s only by God’s grace that anyone is saved because He sent His son to die for us. The blood of Jesus Christ is enough for anyone to be saved who believes. What’s even more beautiful is that we join Christ in His death and resurrection. Upon believing in Him, our old self dies and we are given a new heart, new human spirit, and the Holy Spirit living in us. A born again person has completely new desires and sin will only make them miserable.
God only convicts those whom he loves
Her: "John the Baptist"
Me: "Oh no"
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Ya....
I'm glad someone else picked up on that. She clearly doesn't know her Bible that well... (or medieval paintings)
4:27 this shows how's lost this woman is
First John was beheaded before the last supper by Herold
Second Leonardo da Vinci's paintings are whitewashed and of his own imagining it
Third repent of spreading lies
@@deeellis8060 Yes, she clearly thinks the paintings are accurate! There was at least a 1400 year gap!
You misspelled "Herod".
Why did I know the comment section was gonna be messy I can’t 😂
Eggy you have no idea. You don’t Evan know what messy is🙏
It's called homophobia; can lead people to disturbingly different ideas of what the Bible says is true.
Can't what??
The Bible says a lot of things but it is NOT a queer positive culture book!! 1 Tim 1:8-10; Lev. 18:22; Lev 20:13; 1 Cor. 6:9-10.
Absolutely.
Dont cut the verse 1Cor 6:9-11 Jesus already bought us through his blood
You know I was going to go through the bible and correct her by verse but she is in error all over the place,,
@@unknownnn9726 you're right, but I was trying to make a point.
@@wisemansocrates Hooah!!
2 Timothy 4:3-4 "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
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Why lord😭😭😭
“Thus says the LORD of hosts: "Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.”
Jeremiah 23:16 ESV
I thought a prophet was someone who makes a prediction of something that is going to happen. What did she say that was going to happen?
@@LadyLeda2 Agreed
@@LadyLeda2 This goes beyong prophets and propheciesm This falls into the topic of following and listening to false teachers and missionaries who not only spread lies, but also spread misinformation that hurt your faith and relationship in God.
His disciples say to him, `If the case of the man with the woman is so, it is not good to marry.' And he said to them, `All do not receive this word, but those to whom it hath been given; for there are eunuchs who from the mother's womb were so born; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are eunuchs who kept themselves eunuchs because of the reign of the heavens: he who is able to receive [it]--let him receive.'
I thought it was funny that the Ethiopian eunuch is the "first convert" which he actually isn't and he's the first convert being a person of color. They were all people of color they were in the middle east. No argument just thought her comment was humorous.
I looked up “ignorance”..and this is where it took me
Lesly Flores
Lol. Yeah , same thing happened to me.
Lesly Flores lol she is so delusional
Right!
This is unbelievable, John the Baptist was not an apostle. She has no idea what she's talking about.
I know right
They paid this lady to put on a costume, hold a Bible, and make up some nonsense as if she knew what she was talking about. I feel bad for anyone who believed her and thought they were going to sound like distinguished theologians to their friends 🙄
Look up her credentials. She is real alright.
This is the WORSE biblical explanation of the bible I have ever heard.
el peor en ingles es the WORST
@@Chromozol You could have pointed out the redundancy, as well.
I doubt she knows a thing in the Bible
DO YOU?
Like if Eve knew of the stakes to MORE than her and Adam, when in Eden?
I KNOW!!!! OMG :(
14:20 "That's John the Baptist!" Wow. I'm not a pastor, in fact I'm not even a Christian, but even I know that John the Baptist and John the Apostle were not the same person! Not only was the Baptist never a follower of Jesus, he'd also been beheaded YEARS prior to the last supper.
Ikr😂😂😂😂
It was probably just a bit of a stumble of words on accident
Big time sign of the end times Jesus will be here soon thank God!
Jer Smith - Both apostle Paul, John and Jesus said the same thing 2000 years ago. Who knows, perhaps we might have to wait another 2000 years.
@@John17230 They will not endure sound doctrine is what I was referring to specifically. The fulfilment of prophecy concerning Israel is another big one.
John17230, it was prophesied in the Holy Word that when we see all of these things (prophecies) taking place (all of them, at once) know that my (Jesus’) redemption is near; even at the door! Israel becoming a nation again in 1948 after 2000 years is an absolute and definite marker for Christ’s soon return because the Bible tells us that the generation of that time (when Israel becomes a nation again) they will not all pass away before my (Jesus’) return to the earth. Depending on how long a generation is, and according to the Bible, it is anywhere from 70-80 years. It may even be 120 years according to scripture. Be woke. Be ready. Once the gospel has been introduced to every nation, that’s when Christ is expected to return to the earth. We are told to multiply and to populate the earth and we are told to teach/preach the gospel to all nations and then after that His return is soon.
And won't we be surprised by who God chooses because no one no one can do God's work.
@@LindaMFerrell - When you say, "Once the gospel has been introduced to every nation", what do you mean "introduced"?
Do you mean when it comes on the TV? There are plenty of prosperity preachers on TV in India. Does this mean they have all heard the gospel?
"For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. They will reject the truth and chase after myths."
2 Timothy 4:3-4 NLT
@@MaryL05 You are indeed right, however, there are also verses in the Bible talking against slavery, supporting women's rights, eating pork, etc I can't recite them off the top of my head, but I know that Jesus talked about some of these topics, and the apostles did as well.
But anyway, thank you for your comment :)
@@MaryL05 So because some people used this verse about something and were wrong about it in the past, that means using it about this video is Satanic? Is that truly your point? That actually makes sense to you? Given what you believe, what your reason for why this verse exists? If someone used this verse to speak against some cult leader who was pushing for human sacrifice, upon what ground would you be able to argue against it? Given that you've rejected using this verse to speak out against teachings contrary to the Bible since Satan is also familiar with scripture, how do you determine when this verse applies and when it doesn't?
@Benjamin only assholes harass people for their religious beliefs. Don't generalize about he lgbt. There are members like me who are respectful towards everyone.
@@patrickbarnes9874 How do you determine what is contrary to the Bible when there are so many equally valid interpretations? You need to define some wort of objective standard.
yep I totally agree with you, I hate when people follow "preachers" that teach that homosexuality is a sin. it's like they're deliberately misunderstanding the Bible. God bless the gays 🏳️🌈
This person does not know her Bible. Her credibility is out the window when she said that the Eunoch was the first Christian convert. Hello? Pentecost. 1000s of people were baptized
Well Enoch was before the flood if I’m not mistaken
Derrick Pigatt but Jesus wasn't, so Enoch couldn't have been a CHRISTIAN convert
@@Antnj81 BOOM!! So true!
@@derrickpigatt5195 and therefore before Jesus, and thus it is impossible for him to believe in him first.
Derrick Pigatt not Enoch, but a eunuch!
We’re not talking about Enoch, but the Ethiopian eunuch who Philip baptised.
There are so many things wrong with this that i cant even begin to correct it all.
there is nothing wrong with it at all.
Yeah. Just about everything.
Romans 1. Leviticus 18: 22.
This is the doctrine of devil's. Satan does not come as a monster, but as an angel of light and beauty. Twisting God's word. Playing on feelings.
@@fazelok yes everything is wrong with this. This is what liberalism brings you.
Did she get the collar on Amazon?
eBay
Apostle Paul did not say don't get married he said it is good to stay unmarried but if you burn with passion than Mary he was saying that it is easy to serve God sometimes if you are not married he also said every man should have his own wife and every woman should have its own husband
Yikes! For someone who started off by touting her clerical robes she really botched....well, EVERYTHING. The Ethiopian eunuch, Sodom and Gomorrah, someone named John (but I’m not sure who), and Paul’s teaching on marriage. This was an unmitigated disaster!
yup oof
She is wrong already John the Batist was already dead. Therefore he was not at the last supper.
I keep thinking the same thing. She started off wrong when SHE decided SHE could be a Rev. Christian women aren't supposed to be preachers for several reasons including that they're more easily given over to false gospel- she's a good example of this. I've never heard a woman NOT preach heresy.
@@kol3981 What were you doing listening to women preachers? Sorry, maybe you are a woman.
Dennis Leveridge Curious to see if it was heretical
This is a prime example of someone reading what they believe rather than believing what they read.
From the perspective of an Atheist, I just want to say that it actually just shows how fallible the Bible truly is. If the Bible were the product of some infinitely perfect divine mind, there would be no confusion regarding it message. The fact that the Bible can be interpreted to mean pretty much anything is exactly why there are so many denominations that are supposedly all based on scripture. All of you religious folks think you have the inside scoop on truth when in reality you all can't agree on SO much.
As for homosexuality, the Bible never records God saying anything about it, so move on.
@@wakeupthisisntreal8168 God speaks through the prophets. God speaks through righteous men and women. As for the confusion, Peter tells us that there are falsehoods in the scriptures and that those falsehoods serve a purpose. But you try to imagine how you would do things rather than how a far superior being would do things.
God, through the prophets, therefore, condemns homosexuality, calling it an abomination.
So move on down that wide path that leads to destruction.
@@TrustinJC
"God speaks through righteous men and women."
The inherent problem is that anyone can claim that God is speaking through them. Since people who claim to be divinely inspired can never come to complete agreement, it's pretty obvious that there is no such thing as divine inspiration. People simply need to learn how to recognize their own thoughts. If you want to claim that someone is truly divinely inspired, you would need to define an objective standard for determining which interpretations of scripture, and which ideas by men who claim to be divinely inspired, are correct. And you would have to do this *without* relying on what men who have claimed to be divinely inspired said. Otherwise that would be circular reasoning.
"God, through the prophets, therefore, condemns homosexuality"
You see, whether you realize it or not, you're actually basing this judgement on an interpretation of the Bible. The Bible can also be interpreted as not being against homosexuality (look up the debate on the word arsenokoitai and how most versions of the Bible don't actually mention homosexuality). There's a reason why there's so many versions of the Bible, scholars can simply not agree on the meaning of every word during the translation process. That is the simple fact. Objectively speaking, there's no way to determine who is correct, it really depends on which interpretations align with your personal value system, whether you consciencly realize that or not.
You need to stop gaslighting society by saying you have the inside scoop when it comes to absolute truth when the source you are claiming is absolute cannot even lead everyone to the same conclusion. That is why there are so many denominations, so many interpretations, so many rituals. No one can truly and honestly define an objective standard for deciphering truth without making some assumptions. If there are assumptions behind what you are claiming to be true, then that simply means your idea of truth is subjective. It's absurd to me, as an theist, how you can not see past your own subjective concepts of reality masked behind religion.
@@TrustinJC Let me ask you a simple question: what objective standard are you using to determine what is absolute truth?
@@wakeupthisisntreal8168 Scripture defines "the standard". And that is not circular reasoning. Without the gold standard of scripture there would be no method to determine a true prophet from the false ones.
The fact that it is so difficult to recognize true prophets from false ones is evidence of scripture being true.
Christ warns Peter in the writing known as the Coptic Apocalypse of Peter that a multitude of false teachers would lead multitudes of people astray. He also warned that a man would deceive people with a manifold dogma. Dogma is what we today call doctrine and theology. Well, that is exactly what you have described.
You cannot see the truth because you have a preconceived notion of how God should and would do things. You have no understanding of what scripture actually teaches.
The fact that you claim there is no way to determine who and what is correct is evidence of this.
Why is it so hard to understand that just as any natural human attribute and set of skills is not the same or equal from person to person, neither are spiritual attributes and skills the same or equal. And just as any natural abilities can be honed and finely tunes, so too can spiritual attributes.
Just as only a very small percentage of humans will ever reach the skill and abilities needed to compete in the olympics, so too is it with matters pertaining to the spiritual. If you do not put in the work, you will never be able to compete. And you have chosen to not put in the work. That is on you.
So just because you lack understanding and spiritual discernment due to laziness and ignorance does not mean those that have put in the work are in the same boat as you.
You don’t know your bible John the “baptist” was not in the “Last supper” painting!
Lise Götz exactly!! John The Baptist was killed way before the Last Supper
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John the baptist was not a part of the 12 disciples, this talk is significantly incorrect.
She conveniently forgot the NT scriptures relating to homosexuality as a sin. Also, she doesn’t understand the Levitical law vs. the fact that Christ came to fulfill the law. :/
if homosexuality is such an abomination..why isn't in the 10 commandments and why does god LET us be that way?
@@sheezamann2724 Even though it's not in the 10 commandment, it is still a sin (talks about it in the old and New Testament). God doesn't want us to sin but he gave us freewill and people choose to live in that lifestyle.
Fulfil what? Why did a blood libel on Jews or an Inquisition, or feudal wars, end up occurring, then?
@@nessie... There is no "free will". (SIRACH 15:20).."He hath commanded no man to do wickedly, neither hath he given any man licence to sin.”
Sheeza Mann He does not and there is plenty more of sin that is not in the Ten Commandments.
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
It's wasn't the prostitutes, tax collectors or Publicans (reknown alcoholics) who attacked Jesus, it was the lawkeepers the Pharisees and saducceds. I doubt Christ ignored homosexuals if he hanged out with Prostitutes.
That Scripture can be “Pointed” in either direction.
George Hunt
Amen
@@truthbeyond3624 but he said SIN NO MORE!
@@truthbeyond3624 Publicans were tax-gatherers, not "reknown" alcoholics (whatever that is).
Did she really say God’s angels from heaven where queer? She mentions commands given in the old covenant but fails to mention how they’ve been amended in the new covenant by the sacrifice of Christ and then COMPLETELY twists the words of Paul.
And how she said John the Baptist was one of the 12 disciples. He wasn't even at the last supper.
who's to say that God's angels aren't queer?
@@emay2551 queer angels of Yah lol that's a nah bruh
@@emay2551 God and the Bible.
@@emay2551who's to say they are? So we can just make up anything now? Is there any real Biblical basis to say that?
Just a genuine question, how did she make it this far?
Canadian government
How did Pastor Anderson and other such people make it that far? Religion in North America in general is a cesspool.
@@SStupendous you hearing people different than you, don’t ya? 😂😂
@@ithinkiknowme6450 Huh? What are you laughing at, can you type a coherent sentence? What I said is true and answers the question. Get personally offended no doubt?
Protestantism.
Rev. Dr. Cheri DiNovo clearly needs to check her facts before she speaks.
She knows her audience won't.
What in God's name do the paintings have to with what's in the Bible? I could paint a picture of a guy with red skin and horns getting baptized. That doesn't mean Satan got baptized in the Bible.
It's a painting of the Ethiopian eunuch...Ethiopia is in Africa where most are people of colour...it's a visual representation of the story in the bible. That's why it's relevant as many people just brush over the term "Ethiopian" not thinking of Africa.
exactly lol
@S.O.G Dre please show me in Genesis where this is made "so clear"...💀
@S.O.G Dre You're the one making claims, I simply asked you to show where it is clear. Because I have read the 'book' and don't know what you're talking about
@S.O.G Dre you said that Genesis is pretty clear that it was in Africa. Where? What verse? I have read it multiple times over during bible bowl. Never saw what you claimed. That was a false statement.
But if you want to geographically and scientifically defend your claim, that holds merit.
I'll have to research that. If you can send sources/links, it would be helpful.
Wow. Just wow. John the Baptist at the last supper... wow. This woman is insane.
He was in the last supper you big head
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@@kuiimani2739 JOHN THE DICIPLE AND JOHN THE BAPTIST ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE
@@kuiimani2739 Soooo...
John the Baptist was already beheaded when the Lord Supper happened
As soon as I started watching, my brain cells started dying...
Stop holding your breath.
@@ericdary8421 Can I really do that? I mean, with the Ethiopian eunuch being the first convert and John the Baptist rising from the dead because he didn't wanna miss Jesus' last supper, who knows if I am still capable of using my natural bodily functions properly...
Lol
;D ;D ;D ;D Lol, lol, Lol. Me Too!
@@ericdary8421 🤣🏳️🌈🤣💗
The Bible teaches love and respect for all people!!!!!!
Yes!!! 😊💕
You should really read the Bible before you tell anyone what it teaches.
Duane Burcham J- LEETHAL “Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.” (John 4:7-8) so what were you saying
Lexie Sparkle but God ❤️ the sinner not the sin
"The Bible teaches love and respect for all people!!!!!!"
Psalm 5:5: The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Romans 2:11: For there is no respect of persons with God.
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2 Timothy 4: 3-4 ....3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
So true, and its only going to get worse
Define SOUND though? And why could demons even reach Earth...
THANK YOU
@@chrissonofpear1384 I think "sound" in this context is true or pure. As in "pure scripture" will not "satisfy" the agenda of the majority in society, therefore some people will take the Bible and change its meaning so it doesn't hurt people's feelings.
Genesis 1-27 AND GOD CREATED THEM MAN AND WOMAN AND HE SAW THAT IT WAS GOOD. HE SAID TO THEM GROW AND REPRODUCE. that's why he created them to reproduce.
I'm tired of people taking the word of God and doing with it as they please. GOD CREATED MAN AND WOMAN MARRIGE IS FOR MAN AND WOMAN HE LOVES THE SINNER BUT HATES THE SIN!
I legitimately just want to know even if u interpret the Bible as not accepting homosexuality, doesn’t that mean u should still love them because it preaches to love everyone? And to not judge others?
I think why not…same with Quran…
Love thy neighbor…there’s no compulsion in religion ❤
The most loving thing to do is to help someone not to do something that is sinful and dangerous.
It preaches more than just love. It contains countless amounts of laws and rules that every God-fearing person needs to follow.
Please, show us the verse that tells you specifically not to judge anybody. We are told to judge people based on what they say and how they act, and that doing so will help the person and help others become more aware of misinformation and bad deeds.
@@cxarhomell5867
Matthew 7:
1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
John 8:
7 “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
James 4:
12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you-who are you to judge your neighbor?
Romans 14:
13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.
Need more?
@@davidriester8451 The bible teaches not to be judgmental but you have to judge people. Your cherry picking verses out of context. You would never be able to uphold church discipline or any of Gods laws and or commandments without judging peoples deeds or actions. You will know them by their fruit.
“THaTs JOhN ThE BApTist”
What did you smoke before this?
2 Timothy 4:1-5
Preach the Word
I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
Tim Webster -- that speaks of Mormonism, Catholicism, Pentecostal silliness - for examples... more than the Reach you’re attempting.
If this is about Biblical comphrension accuracy? That’s why she did this Ted Talk: People cherry pick verses; follow some and Scream about others.
Is this SNL?
Badlishah Shabudin i wished it was, but i found no funny jokes...... its serious
😂 no its better its real
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Rev. Cheri: Why did Paul say those things.
Me: because he didnt
She clearly doesn't know her Bible. Around 4:30 she says that Jesus' favorite disciple was John the Baptist, but John the Baptist wasn't a disciple. He wasn't one of the 12. There was a John who was one of the 12, but it's a different person from John the Baptist. So much for the Ph D. I guess they give them away in Canada.
And Jesus said “ Call no one on Earth Father, for you have one Father who is in Heaven” !
I have never see Paul taken further out of context
@RTHA300 Children of God
@RTHA300 Dude, you should become a Christian. You won't regret it.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Timothy 4:3_4 kjv
Damn! I'm an Agnostic and even I can smell the BS on this one.
Yeah bs, Jesus loves you, go in peace.
I love how she has gotten to this place without throwing away her faith however, I wasn't able to do the same... I had to leave my faith behind but because of that, I finally was able to believe that god really does love me 🥰 My process was awful though... When I realized the voi1ence Leviticus commands towards me (were I to live back in those times), I felt such dsepair and knew that I wouldn't be long for this world if I kept believing that. To me, that verse calls for a hloca^st (censoring that word for CZcams)... mass excti^ns that weren't just talked about but actually carried out. BTW, I do respect people with faith so I'm not meaning to be insulting...
When I bring up that verse in Leviticus, my experience with religious folks is that they always dismiss it... saying that it really doesn't matter anymore because "We're under the new covenant now". The only issue with that is that no amount of time can excuse the hloc^ust of the old testament anymore than it erases the effects of the one that happened 80 years ago. And to so easily dismiss it feels insulting to the memory of all those who were lost... More over, d eath is still on the table according to Romans... it's a spiritual d eath though (as in h ell which I would say is much worse than the capital punishment of Leviticus).
My point is that the bible says some very awful things about us and it would be SO nice if religious folks would stop saying that we aren't allowed to be hurt or offended by them...
PS... Sorry for the spelling errors. They were intentional as CZcams sometimes doesn't allow my comments to post if I include certain words...
Once I noticed that you wrote "god" instead of "God", I stopped reading your comment
@@ngabacletus9677 lol so that's what little faith you have in your position? That it's threatened after something so small? Well, that is typical...
@@KeilyShhh clap for yourself
@@ngabacletus9677 And find some courage to defend your 'position' if in fact you actually have one. I'll defend mine because I have convictions in it. You don't. Later, silly person
@@KeilyShhh thank you for the compliment; smart person
Why have a bible and not open it once??🤦♂️
Oh honey her's looks WORN, how does yours look?
Because she only has 15 minutes, it's a ted talk remember that.
@dominionphilosophy3698 nothing of substance, to be expected
And you’re taking everything out of context
Matthew 12:30-32: "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, any sin and blasphemy can be forgiven. But blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven
I had to stop watching when she got to the Ethiopian eunuch part. For one, he was not the first Christian convert. That designation belongs to Cornelius and his entire household, all of whom were baptized by Peter. If by being a member of the clergy and you can't make that clear, it'll be hard for me to give credence to anything you teach. Second, there is no empirical scriptural evidence to suggest that the Ethiopian eunuch was the first person of color to be converted. Jewish proselytes visited Jerusalem, at least, three times a year. So that would leave open the possibility that someone, perhaps during Pentecost 33 C.E., could have been converted to Christianity as a person of color. Having said that, my biggest grievance with the entire premise of this video is the fact that Rev. Dr. Cheri DiNovo thinks she's speaking for all Christians in her complete abuse and misapplication of holy scripture. While I, whole-heartedly, disagree with any judgment or discrimination displayed toward the LGBTQ+ community, the Bible simply does not condone, sanction, or promote homosexuality. That is not something that can be glossed over or omitted from the Bible.
She also said that John the Baptist was the disciple that Jesus loved.. Hello! That was Jesus the apostle. I’m sorry that she will be misleading so many people.
Well said
@@likepappy *John the Apostle lol ;-)
@@likepappy Yes, and @Micah mentioned that he had to stop watching after the part about the Ethiopian convert in Acts chapter 8. So he didn't see the part about "John the Baptist" who was actually John the Apostle.
I wanted to watch the entire thing to see what she had to say
Despite her lack of proper historical examples she was right about the need to refrain from using the Bible as a weapon against those in the lgbtq community.
Yes!!!!!!
God loves queer people. God accepts queer people. God celebrates queer people.
She is guided by her feelings, her imaginings, and her agendas rather than the bible, with which she takes a Humpty Dumpty or cherry-picking approach. Much of what she says is true; sadly, much of what she deduces or implies is thoroughly misleading.
I think we are all guided by our feelings, our imaginings, and our own agendas. I think this lady has proven well, your own misleading and interpretation of Scripture. However, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. She's bearing good fruit, rather than the judgemental, bad fruit that we see all too often in our churches...and it drives people away. The great news from Scripture is that we all made in the image of God...and that includes LGTBQ folk too. Love never fails. It always wins!!
@Artemis wrong! that's God's opinion right outa the Bible! God will not be mocked, at least for very long.
@@rogermoon7421 wrong! that's God's opinion right outa the Bible! God will not be mocked, at least for very long.
@Artemis the Bible is experientially proven too and that's why it has followers. Others, such as you are void of understanding it and don't receive the benefits of living it for decades as others have. You cannot talk them out of what they know from experiences through life. IT WORKS.
She should be guided by blind faith. Wonder why Churches are seeing record lows!?!? Read these comments. 😀
Wow, those were some weak arguments
argument is an argument
Lazar Jaksic I know but put in some effort it’s TED ffs
This is all heresy. The Bible is taken completely out of context.
By the way, there's nothing that says Peter was reluctance to baptize the Eunuch,
Peter didn't even baptize the Eunuch Phillip did.
Chris Brown she said it was Philip...
Heresy? lol are you a time travel or did you just out of the village?
@@TheLonet Dinovo said it was Philip, but she also said he didn't want to baptize the man. Which is never mentioned in Scripture.
I can't make out what your second comment means at all.
Nope, never mentioned. This woman makes up her own Bible.
Mark 9:42 says: And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck.
It’s against God standard stop preaching lies of the gospel of Jesus Christ
I don't even understand why people listen to this demon posed woman.
She's totally out, trying to convince us this ok with God.
Finally someone who understood my feelings . While she was talking I was beating my head in the wall
I truly found God after I came out as a trans-female and a church that support all.
Good for you, but that doesn't make the factual errors in this video any less wrong.
If they are encouraging your transformation, find a new church. all of this trans identity stuff is an idol, If someone is putting their identity in a belief of who they think they are instead of putting their Identity in Christ.. Do not do any transformation, this is not shame or hate, just the bible does not condone transitioning.
Doesn't she know that John the Baptist was beheaded, and that he had been dead by the "Last Supper."
4:34 She mentions “John the Baptist the disciple that Jesus loved” then continued to talk about the queer characteristics of “the disciple” John the Baptist... John the Baptist was not a disciple... There is no truth in anything she is saying here. I really feel sorry for this lady.
The best thing is, she said that John the Baptist was very feminine, but he was about as masculine as you can get. He lived out in the wilderness eating bugs and wild honey and wore camel skin
@@finthefish2525he probably smelled very masculine too!!!
Why do Ted Talks always have the worst misrepresentation of Christianity? She doesn't even know basic Bible bruh what the heckkkk
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how so?
Lazar Jaksic Nearly everything she said is wrong. I've also watched another Ted talk about the Bible and homosexuality that was also completely off. There's an obvious agenda here.
@@stevenvelez1717 So they both must be wrong? O.o lmao..
Lazar Jaksic Yes. From the ones I've seen. They always blatantly contradict the Bible. Twist scripture to fit a narrative.
Context context context.... I know non believers get tired of hearing about context in the bible, but really each book in the bible has a context. To apply her reasoning about the book of Leviticus to the Apostle Paul is to assume the bible has just one context. What Paul spoke to the christian church is quite more applicable to today's christian church than what Moses spoke to the ancient tribes of Israel. However, Leviticus shows us about how God desires particular people who walk in his ways and closely follow his law. It's relevant to Christians because we know that God is really after people with inward parts that are like His and so Leviticus show us how particular and detailed He is about whats in our heart.
Well, then I'd like to see you paying attention that your robes are not made of two different fabrics as it is written in Lev. 19. How come that we only ever take out this book when it comes to the topic of relationships we might find weird?
Still, Paul was also applicable to HIS time, which, mind I remind you, used to live already 2000 years ago. Do you know how much language changes even within a century? So how exactly is a text that we read in a language of 20 centuries ago in a translation which is already shaped by the view of the times it was translated DIRECTLY applicable to nowadays society? I'd like to give you some context: There is NO word for homosexuality in either ancient Latin, Greek or Hebrew which are the languages in which the bible was written. If you mind to look up the interlinear translation of, for example, Corinthians 6, 9-10, the words Paul uses to describe what some people later translated with "homosexuals", the words Paul uses here are actually "malakoi", meaning "effeminate boy" and "arsenokoitai" which is a neologism of Paul, a combination of the Greek words for "Men" and "bed". "Malakoi" was mostly common used in the times to describe male protitutes. These prostitutes were mostly boys AND slaves, so nowadays we would call what has been done with them r*pe and ped0philia. Since "arsenokoitai" is directly written AFTER "malakoi", it would be a valid assumption that Paul was referring to the men who used these male prostitutes for their pleasure. Tell me, how exactly is this applicable to a nowadays lived relationship with two grown up individuals who love each other equally, have the same right to consent or to say "No", not doing what they're doing out of selfish pleasure but rather out of love? Who may even help each other grow towards and walk the road that our Lord has shown us?
It so wrong to led others when you're in absolutel darkness.
an Ade it is also wrong to judge other people but yet here u are😂 stay mad if u wish.
@@maddiewaksmunski1099 where is it said not to judge?!? We are too judge in order to correct the behaviour of those who don't know better!!! This woman is wrong and leading the sheep astray. She will be judged very strongly by the almighty God!!!
She is on a war path for the christians. Victory in the Lord, amen. Twist in scriptures
Maddie Waksmunski my smart and very intelligent girl ; she said that not for judging , but for giving others advice for others and she’s totally right
an Ade hope everybody understand what you said
I get that everyone has a choice but if you are gonna share it in such a channel like this you better have truthful facts and actually good arguments
Agreed. There are actually good reasons to believe that the Bible doesn't oppose homosexuality.
BRUH JOHN THE BAPTIST IS NOT THE SAME PERSON AS THE DISCIPLE JOHN
Text of Terror?? Really, have never heard anything like that before.
Lots of straw man fallacies
@@freedom6567 Well, Jesus died for her... So calling her a curse is terribly unChristian! We are all cursed with sin and struggle with sins of various kinds. She is just as sinful as me, and just as sinful as you. I hope you learn to be more respectful to people who you disagree with. Perhaps praying for her instead? That would be much more Christlike, and have a much better turn out. God bless and have a Happy Friday!
Aren't we told to rebuke false prophets sharply? In Titus 1:10-16?
Women aren't supposed to be overseers of the word, therefor if a woman is a pastor Christians should know not to listen. They more easily fall into believing and preaching false gospels- Eve fell first.
KOL False prophet? Well, to my knowledge she never prophecies anything in the video. I really do not care about your personal opinion; because no where in the Bible does Paul write "Woman can't and shouldn't be pastors". He definitely suggests against it, and also tells that he would rather a man be a pastor over a woman, but honestly, that seems like his personal preference. Just because it's in the Bible doesn't necessarily mean you are to follow it. Some things are just opinions from writers, or, examples of what not to do. For instance, the infanticide decreed by King Herod. Well, infanticide is in the Bible, and Herod did it, so why can't I kill babies? (Not that I would, but some Christians think abortion is ok). Or Paul; he killed numerous Christians before his conversion. Just because Paul is depicted as a murderer, can't I be a murderer too? You see, just because Paul said he doesn't want women to be pastors, doesn't mean God doesn't condone it. Just because Herod condoned the slaughter of hundreds of babies, doesn't mean God condoned it at all!! I hear you, and I see your point - I just believe it's wrong.
Roman Creed Paul didn't just suggest against it, he was clear. I'd get into your false equivalencies with Herod and Paul but I don't see the point since you don't care about my "opinion." I'm trying to work on not being quarrelsome with others, so there's no need to get into a quarrel over the word. But, this woman is misrepresenting scripture which is dangerous because it leads people astray and into believing false doctrines.
I am sympathetic to what she is trying to do, but when she, for instance, confuses John the Baptist and John the Beloved Disciple, she really undermines the value of her argument.
Fr. Michael LaRue
John the Baptist was dead long before the last supper, executed by Herod at the behest of daughter, Salome!
Yes, sadly she lost me for lack of basic knowledge of the main characters in the Bible, which were all very symbolic.
Unforgivable mistake! Mixing both John removes credit to everything she said... yep, lets keep what we are doing, discriminating people that are different...
@@tastesasgoodasitsounds1484 it was his step daughter and niece as it was his deceased brother's child.
@@TheLonet I agree. People are just looking for a reason to not hear the truth that she is speaking. Their God is too small.
Lord have mercy on us all.
Like on the Gideonites, and medieval Jews?
Yes, homophobia is so dangerous. May God forgive you all.
@@wakeupthisisntreal8168 With all due respect, no one is scared of homosexuals.
@@tobiasthebloodengine You clearly misunderstand what homophobia is then.
yes, especially since homophobia is so rampant nowadays
wait. John the Baptist and John the Apostle were two DIFFERENT people.
I have a degree in Christian Theology and Religion. This woman is attempting a promising argument. However, she almost completely lacks the skills to structure and present her argument thoughtfully. She is quoting no academic sources. I am very pro-Liberal Theology, and I do believe this woman is onto something, but her execution is very poor. She seems to think Ted Talks are a forum for salesmanship-like persuasion as opposed to academic and empirical factuality. I’d be interested in knowing which institutions she attended. Well, kudos for trying, though.
Not sure about giving kudos for trying to distort the Gospel truths.
promising what? a path to relieve people of cognitive dissonance?
Red August agreed.
Absolutely
People here are forgetting the most important aspect of her message. I have to say I’m not a religious person and I consider religion one infantile method to explain the most aspects of reality, life, that science yet can’t explain (I just love when religion has to accommodate when science finds a suitable answer, see how quickly the catholic church demoted Adam and Eve...). The message is: it is wrong to use a storyteller or a fairytale to sustain discrimination and hatred against people that are different, against the “strangers” (like in the story of Lot and Sodoma).
come quickly lord jesus! so much heresy here. This is a perfect modern day example that parallels what Satan did to Jesus in Matthew 4 when he used Psalm 91 as a reason for why Jesus should throw Himself off a building. Satan said the word meant one thing while Jesus knew it meant something entirely different. SCRIPTURE TWISTING AT ITS FINEST. Lord help us all not be deceived by this madness!
Amen
Imagine not reading the Bible and then going up and saying you understand
This is not the Holy Spirit speaking through her.
Why isn't it?
Fakhir Pathaan Khan Literally everything she says contradicts the Bible
John the Baptist by this time (the night before the crucifixion) was dead. He had been beheaded. John, the disciple Jesus loved was a different man! Boy this women is an example of trying to understand God's word without the light and instruction of the indwelling Holy Spirit. She's not a Christian!
The Son of God shall speak His Judgement.
Wow people will twist anything to justify their mess. I wonder does she know The Whole Heavenly Host hears her blasphemy. I pray for all who wish to justify sin and trample on the work off the cross. Sin should not have power over us but actually under our feet along with all that satan present as good or some higher knowledge. The denial we go through for Christ is not to be compared to the Glory that we will see and be in the presence of if we can just hold on.
So the Ethiopian eunuch was the first convert and John the Baptist was at the Last Supper...
What version of Bible are you reading?
The Queer James version...
That's funny
Lol
was i supposed to laugh?
@@Noonereallylol You're supposed to think
Is this a reprobate mind?
Yep
You are seeing it right here. Yes
Of course it is
no, pull the log out of your eyes. most churches are reprobate,like the mega churches making cash in the church is reprobate, turning away any of Gods Children is reprobate. holding hatred in your heart is reprobate. men and woman giving over to their drunkeness and lust is reprobate. she may be confused but she is coming from a place of love, not a stance of judgement and authority.....Your not God.. And Jesus is the Word of God and God in the flesh. not a book though the book be blessed. Most of you are living in cognitive dissonance.
ps revelation was added to the Gospels. it contradicts the Gospel. and plays into the pharisees lust of a conquering king. instead of a lover murdered by the state and the church of the day.......Jesus wont spit you out. Jesus wont Kill you. All are saved. especially those believers that call on his name.
paul beck it’s teaching a wrong doctrine.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
“The bands didn’t say male and female, THEY JUST SAID BRIDE AND GROOM”
This woman is unbelievable…
so is your mentality
@@johnwilliam4042 "sO iS YoUr MeNtAlItY"
Imagine defending a person who just ignores the main components of the Bible and misinterprets its most important laws.
It's hard to take her seriously as a cleric when she doesn't know the difference between the apostle John and John the Baptist.
🤣😂
Amen, she's a train wreck of disfunction. An embarrassment to anything truthful.
😂
BASED
@@raydayx I study Theology and from a historical perspective they are NOT the same. John the Baptist was executed in 30 AD in Jerusalem. John the beloved wrote the Gospel of John in 90 AD and died around 95-100 AD in Ephesus.
Definitely that “guy” that called HER “father” was high as a kite.....just saying.
And the guy was delusional.
This is why it’s important to read your Bible, go to study classes and not listen to false testimony of people who want to do there own thing and stray away from GOD.
Matthew 7:21-23 as Jesus warned about false salvation. Jesus said these words: “Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
I don’t usually comment on CZcams videos, but when she said John the Baptist was at the last supper that was both hilariously funny and sad at the same time.
Also what’s this about the Ethiopian Eunuch being the first Christian convert?
My goodness! How is this not stand up comedy????
It is but it is not funny.
Just because Leonardo DA Vinci painted it doesn't mean I'll ignore what the Bible says.
How can a preacher be okay with speaking with a Bible in their hand and never open it
Wayne Jamel you have 15 mins or less- taking time to find the references for her 8-10 examples would have added more than 30 secs... so it was a time-saving measure “I have this book here ... and have read it ... and analysis has revealed some GLBT truths throughout this Canon”. You don’t swear on a bible by opening it up in court after all. It stays closed. Same!
cuse shes a bad preacher abd is stretching stuff she could of just pulled verses that says love everyone for who they are or something becuse this is laughable. im kinda disappointed shes in the lgbt comunaty she makes us look crazy 😂
She did the right thing because death would have knock her to her knees so she kept the book closed.
Because the Bible it's True and Powerful and she knows it😉
"The Bible: A queer positive book." Nothing says intellectual honesty like imposing LGBT biases on an ancient text.
John the Baptist is not “the disciple that Jesus loved” (4:30).
G Man he wasn’t even an apostle smh
whichever "christian" says that lgbt people are sinners and that god doesn't love them, CLEARLY you don't know god enough to know that his motto is to love everyone
A SCRIPTURE TWISTING REPROBATE;
II Tim. 4.3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4.4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. [KJB]
Rev 22:18 “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add into these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are in this book.”
And if John the Baptist was at the last supper, was Moses there, was David there, hey, was Adam and Eve there too?!
What about the omissions it already has?
@@chrissonofpear1384 those that removed books will be judged
Why were they ABLE to? And shouldn't we care more about the LIVING People who are confused and placed into jeopardy? Or raised by 'errant churches'?
And, again, why were fallen angels PERMITTED to set foot upon Earth?
Please God should spare the life of everyone listening 😭😭😭
People do your research "For I am God I do not change" Mal 3:6 "
Joan of Arc was not a cross dresser in the way you were implying. She wore pants so she could ride a horse and to protect herself against the French knights and soldiers. I have read and studied both trials and there is nothing to indicate she was a cross dresser.