@@skweebwellington Technically the writer would be responsible for that and before you say, "Um, actually James Wan wrote and directed-" He *co-wrote* it. You can thank writer/actor Leigh Whannell because he is behind every good idea you've ever seen in James Wan's mediocre films.
@@RealBimmyyeahhhh not really man. James wan is a mediocre director, I agree. But it's the execution of the entire movie that makes the twist what it is. Writing can be great but if the execution sucks then it almost means nothing. They both deserve praise, everything has to move like clockwork for a film to come out of the oven proper.
@@RealBimmyTobin Bell actually gives a lot of input to his character’s lines. There’s an interview with one of the producers where he talks about how with anything they write for him, he just changes to be more in line with what he thinks Jigsaw would say or do. Small thing but he does personally have creative input.
@@Devourgorgon I'm aware. I loved that they made it a significant element of the plot. The gradual transition from acting tough and psychopathic to showing sympathy gave her character more depth. It also gave Jigsaw more depth in the process because it made you wonder why he had no ounce of pity unlike Amanda. While she was terrified by their screams, he just watched apathetically. What made him become so unfazed by such an absurd level of violence? The juxtaposition of both characters is something I wished they focused on till the end. I wanted her moral conflict to intensify with each death to the point of crying for Cecilia despite the gravity of her crimes. A gut-wrenching, violent ending to an emotional build-up would have been far better. I guess they really wanted to make Jigsaw look like a good guy so bad...which he is not.
Pretty amazing that Tobin Bell is still doing these, even at 81 years old. Regardless of the varying quality of the films, he’s always committed. I genuinely didn't expect this movie to be as good, and effective, as it was. 👌🔥
I feel like the reason why the traps weren’t soo wild was because he was supposed to be in Mexico temporarily. Plus it’s supposed to be saw 1.5, he would’ve just started out making them so it would make sense that they were not as crazy to begin with.
Not wild? A woman has to cut her whole leg off and suck her bone marrow out! A man has to perform brain surgery on himself name one other saw trap that's worse than either of those they're some the best traps and gore of the whole series.
Oh, just because it was set after the 1st movie doesn't mean he just started making traps. The timeline gets so messy, and is a very flashback-focused, haphazardly-planned franchise. He'd been making "games" for like a decade
So far for 2023, we’ve gotten a fantastic A24 horror film, a really good scream film, a great Evil Dead film, and a pretty solid Saw film! Horror is back on the menu, boys
Charlie, I think the reason why he gave them very little time was because he took this particular game VERY PERSONAL. He was a victim of their scam. Plus, giving them very little time is symbolic of them taking advantage of his desperation to find a cure within THE LITTLE TIME he had left. He wanted their chances of survival to be a slim as his.
On top of that, mateo and valentina hesitated for the first thirty seconds, i think hadnt they hesitated, they wouldve gotten out with a bit of time to spare
John even heavily emphasized not to "hesitate". People who defend the victims being whining and "hesitate like any normal person would" is dumb argument. You played yourself into stupid game now you won stupid prize.
The fact that this movie turned out to be one of the better Saw sequels is absolutely surprising. Especially that it's written by the same duo who wrote Jigsaw and Spiral and directed by the guy who directed Saw VI and Saw 3D. I guess third time's the charm for them, lol.
This movie felt very unique in regards to Saw movies. It had way more character development, emotion to it, etc. I had a blast with this movie. It was really well done.
I really want there to be a movie where John creates a trap, and the victim doesn't even want to attempt it because they'd rather die and not have to worry about the struggles of being alive. And then he appoints them as an apprentice.
He wouldn't appoint anyone like that bruh... I think it was Saw 2 that started with a guy who had to cut out the key behind his eye but he didn't even start cutting he was just crying and panicking.
I guarantee in the moment right before suicidal people die they regret it. It's why the suicidal guy in the razor wire from Saw 1 tries to save himself even though right before his capture he was going to slit his risks again or the girl in The Boys who no longer wants to go thru with her suicide once Homelander tells her go ahead you're worthless anyways. Deep down these people really just want attention & special treatment take that away & watch them want to live.
Literally all I knew about Saw X before this Moist Meter was a while ago when the producers were so confused by audiences responding positively to test screenings, they thought it was rigged.
It wasn't the producers who were confused. It was the distributor - they thought that the producers had brought their friends in for the test screenings and that it was rigged.
🤣😭🤣 these people really think we just wanted gore when that's why the movies started fucking up was relying on it, people liked saw because it had good writing and there was reason behind things and you could sort of see how it all works, hated later films that were more about torture porn
@@aronsurakh17477,8,9. 1,2,4,5,6 where prime saw. I liked X too. I excluded 3 on purpose. 2nd worst film of the franchise. The first is Jigsaw with that fraud Logan.
I agree with charlies conclusion 100%, the fact I didn't see that woman definitively die leaves the door open in ways I really hoped it didn't. If any player of the game deserved to get their head chopped off it was FOR SURE her.
The woman lives shows the flaw in John's philosophy. He believes a 2nd chance at life would change people for the better, BUT the worst type of people would usually end up being the survivor because they were always willing to hurt others to live. In the end, nothing changes for them. Amanda saw this flaw (she argues that the woman doesn't deserve a chance) and this is most likely why Amanda created unbeatable traps so her victims never had a chance to live in the first place. We all know how that ended for Amanda. Honestly, it makes perfect sense with John's flawed philosophy and how Saw X is a prequel to Saw 3.
@@Aliens1337yea agree. If they make a sequel to this, it should show her returning doing something crazy tht further explains how Amanda shifted from Kramer ideology
Honestly the games are not equally fair ,she only had to stab a dude to survive… That one girl literally had to cut off her leg in 3 minutes to survive,jigsaw wanted that main evil bitch to survive
@@remssser2256 now that you mention it, you're totally right. Even if she was put into her "intended" trap (the double bloodboarding trap) that still guarantees that at least one of them would have walked away alive, or I guess they just bounce back and forth until the thing eventually runs out of blood. No matter how it played out, one of those two asshats would have walked away alive against a much easier more merciful trap than any of the lesser contributors in the scheme. I mean ffs, the taxi driver had pipe bombs sewn into his arm, while the head of the operation just had to kill her boyfriend (she probably didn't give a fuck about anyway) to live. What the fuck.
@@LoLo25Athis would be great. Because I doubt she can be fine with seeing people die one second and then offer to help others like she did in older movies and even this one a bit. Something had to change her mind to make her traps so deadly
Making john kramer the focus of this movie , to further explore his backstory , is a really great idea . Remains to be seen though , whether this would resurrect the saw franchise .
Whether or not the franchise will continue depends on the box office, but it looks like it's getting good reviews and a solid opening weekend, so we might be seeing another movie.
Idk, Saw X feels like a great way to ends things, Tobin Bell is 81, Jigsaw has been dead for over 10 years and I dont thinl anyone cares about the spiral guy
I don’t know about that time limit comment. I know with Mateo and Val’s trap it was a bit frustrating as to how close they got to winning but they both actually took almost 1 minute to get started. They burned through a third of their time and still almost won. Actually I think it was a good move on the part of the producers, since in real life we all known panic would be likely to overtake people, and it struck a great balance between Hoffman and Amanda’s unwinnable traps and John’s more lenient traps
Completely agreed. They wasted so much time complaining, they could have survived. As horrible as they both are, I can't help but feel a touch bad for them because they both made the sacrifice, even if a touch too late. Especially Val. So close to pouring all the bone marrow on the scale.
Idk they had to do some pretty narly things. That chick sawed her whole leg off in less than 3min with a wire but then also had to stick a tube inside her leg to pump blood. And that guy had to scalp and lobotomize parts of his brain in 3 min and he did but then had to wait for it to disolved. Then had his mutilated face clamped with hot iron 😬 elements
I respectfully disagree, I feel like they’re given such little time for film editing purposes- no one would watch someone mutilate themself for too long, it would get boring. Three minutes to saw off your leg and collect bone marrow is just insane I don’t even buy that as movie logic
I'm only annoyed at Mateo and Val's traps because they both succeeded but the key release mechanisms took so long and was completely out of their control that they still die anyway
I just came back from seeing it to and in my opinion this saw has completely redeemed itself . It’s actually amazing . It not only goes back to the classic saw premises , but it’s well pace, the story is good, it make you root for jigsaw . And the gore is actually really good.
As a SAW fan, im just happy to see that the movies are where the SAW fans want it to be. It may not be a great horror movie series, but its definitely a FANTASTIC drama story with some pretty decent twists in there. Glad to see even Charlie thinks its okay.
@@LordTommyParkyVEVOYeah... Your one video of a trollface with 26 views is totally much better than Charlie... Right... I'd believe Jigsaw was a devout Christian during his reign as a murderer.
exactly the movie really hit me hard i started crying at the end idk as a future mom of a boy im like mexican as well so hes gonna know spanish idk it hit me knowing that if saw was a real and my baby came home like that to me i would've cried so hard and known my lil baby was traumatized but i know john didn't want that to happen and im glad he saved the lil baby but carlos also wanted to help john which hurt because the fucken bond they had dude he saw john obviously suffering and he wanted to pull the lever to save john dudeeee stop😭 i broke down when john had the lever pulled so carlos wasn't able to "waterboard" himself truly got my anxiety going my lil baby was kicking me all throughout the movie which made me as well think i don't want my baby to go through that
@@danielhicks1824it's background lmao ofc it needs to be fast lol like idk if its saw 6 or 5 where he brings up the fact that he has alot of money to be able to afford the treatment but the dude simply refused it i forgot how and john left then the family that the dude killed their father they chose his fate which was death and everyone fav emo kid was there rodrick its just a movie to bring the other movie tied together uk because Amanda and john are dead as in rn yes they are dead like yea saw x they are alive but no they died wayy long before this the new jigsaw is Detective Hoffman i fucken hate him u gotta watch the others to understand saw x lmao its not just random movies they are all connected
I absolutely completely agree with you on the ending, I felt really unsatisfied for the same reasons you were and thought "what the fuck, why did they do this" and was so surprised to find no reviewers mention it at all and call the third act brilliant and amazing and mindblowing and all this shit. Like, how does nobody mention how unsatisfying it was for John and Amanda to leave Cecilia alive and un-maimed after she was the mastermind of the horrible scam, killed Gabriella in cold blood for no good reason, and INVOLVED A CHILD, ALSO FOR NO GOOD REASON. Seriously stupid that the filmmakers didnt find the most over-the-top gory way to satisfyingly off her.
Tbh i thought the last trap on her would be ‘ call her dad..’ and would have to do with the heart.. again, there’s s no point for hte taxi driver to talk about the heart.. when we don’t have the heart in a trap;.. missed opportunity.. didn’t relaly think the traps were very creative. Or reflected what the person ‘ deserved’.
she's definitely returning in another film, her screen presence was too great to just kill her off right away, she has so much potential for a crazy revenge plot in any further timeline. what's unsatisfying to you was super satisfying to me, i want more of her, she's so evil i wanna see what crazy shit she could come up with.
I don't agree, although obviously the girl dying or getting injured in some way in a game would be the satisfying ending for the audience, the point of the game John made was for there to be one winner and for that winner to continue living. She won the game and was free to go from there, he stayed true to his ideology in the end despite how much the girl may have "deserved" worse. She also still supposedly lost all her money and I'm sure she will be watched since Kramer wouldn't allow this scheme to happen again, or if it did put her in a game again.
The child was an unfortunate accident, would have been interesting to have Kramer beat himself up over someone who wasn’t supposed to be there being there
2:30 Charlie that's done on purpose, some traps are meant to be flawed or out right unfair. Later down the line you learn that some traps don't reflect John Kramer's ideologies of giving a fair chance at rehabilitation, they also seem a bit different to John's work simply because they weren't done by John but instead by Amanda or Hoffman. They show that the motives behind some traps were just personal and were used as punishments rather than giving people a chance to fight for their lives.
Yeah, Amanda, although she adored Kramer she was her own person with her own ideologies and implemented that into the traps she made. She got my favorite character killed in the first movie
@@minnamandariini4843 To be fair you are correct, Amanda and Hoffman aren’t excuses to justify John as a righteousness and fair person. In the end they’re all psychos and just like Charlie highlighted in this video regarding the traps it never seemed like the people ever had enough time to even begin with to complete it.
When I was younger - these were the only movies that really scared me. I would have to watch the behind the scenes in the menu options before the movie itself 😭 That way I’d see everything that made the gore possible
that's funny because when I was a kid these were the only horror movies I wasn't scared to watch, as I would rationalize in my head that only bad people ended up being tested anyways
I think Charlie might have not realized that characters like Mateo and Valentina both started about a minute after the timer. Which automatically made them lose. If they would have started on time as Charlie suggested they would have won with time to spare but since they wasted the first minute of their test.
I doubt you would jsut start chopping your leg off.. there is shock and fear.. it should be 5 minutes.. it’s kinda stupid if there is a timer.. if they’re actually in the middle of doing it and completing it
@@npcimknot958true, but like op said if they didnt each waste a min they wouldve made it with time. I saw someone else comment that the reason it was very little time, is that this is personal for Kramer. He was scammed by them with what little time he had left for what he thought was a possible cure. He was just returning the favour of time to them
@@npcimknot958 for valentina, the timer does not start until she picks up the saw. for most of john's games, the timer doesn't actually start until YOU do.
@@b1bbscraz3yYeah, I heard from a friend they're doing Saw Con as the next movie, which should be all about traumatizing people mentally instead and include multiple uses of a famous deadly disease. Hopefully they put just as much effort into it, might be worth watching.
@@b1bbscraz3yid wager that's what someone told you without having the initiative to investigate that claim yourself. Gore is a component and when it's happening theirs always a reason you'd be shocked to know theirs an over arcing story happening behind the gore You're just lazy and you follow what other people say.
@@RileyHawkins2 what? it's easy as shit to watch a Saw movie at literally any point in the past 20 years. I saw the first one, didn't care for it. I know there's "more to it" behind the gore, never cared. literally all my own opinion. you just hear Charlie say something like "you just copy what everyone else says" then ironically repeat the same thing to everyone you come across. I also liked Jigsaw more when he was spoofed in the Scary movie films. is that also something someone else told me, and not something I can believe myself?
The arbitrary time limit the victims receive is completely unfair especially when they naturally waste their limited amount of time panicking and being scared.
To be fair to the time constraints for the traps, John does explicitly tell one of them at the beginning before the games start to "not hesitate", but yeah I agree that some of them definitely should've made it. Great movie imo tho, really loved it compared to the last 3 Saw movies
For these Moist Meters you could edit in an on screen visual for spoilers so people can mute and unmute as they please to avoid them. Something simple and hard to miss like red text saying “spoilers” on the side of the screen. It would give you more liberty in what you can spoil without worrying much about actually revealing too much for those who care. I’ve no more notes, great review.
idk he's become more serious-ish as he got older. even when he was 24 he was way more sarcastic and almost took nothing serious. he does that less today and while he's still sarcastic he takes things more seriously than he used to
I watched this movie in 4Dx and I was amazed to say the least. The chairs throwing you around, water splashing on your head, wind blowing, flashing lights. Really gave it an immersive experience. Would definitely recommend.
I feel it's more realistic to view John K as a psychopath who tries to justify his crimes to himself rather than a deep philosopher who takes it to the extreme. I think he gets off on it and will find and torture anyone he can get his hands on (justifying it for any reason he can think of to himself). This would explain the unfair traps, low time limits, and choice of victims quite well. He genuinely does believe in his "work" but is more interested in the suffering than anything else at least subconsciously. His "code" is something he doesn't even really feel he has to abide by.
Naw i think he is a embodiment of karma he isnt a phychopath cause he does have emotion so id suggest look up the word phychopath he does fit being more of a philiospher that takes it to the extreme punishing killers and peoples wrong doings getting justice for the people who been done wrong and some would be glad john did that cause in there eyes they deserve it but to the killers they dont wonna experience pain like to be fair el chapo is in prison right and he said to the guards this is inhumane because he is in a max prison trapped in a cell like sure its messed up bbuuutt he did do horrible things to the world so he deserves it...its the same thing with johns jigsaw configuration
I kind of agree, but I do think he views his code as very important. I'd put him at Lawful Evil in the alignment chart, just because he kills many people (somewhat justified but not justified enough for death). The reason why I put him at that is mainly because he didn't push the lever at all during the blood boarding scene
@@thetrashcans8447 I can see that, but mostly when making the traps they don't feel like they are meant to be beaten (the eyeball trap from Saw 2 comes to mind). I think, in his perspective, if he didn't view his code as important then his killings would be evil, and he can't be evil. So he is willing to overlook holes in his morality to make the traps work in his mind because what he really loves is those traps. Even with that, I would agree that he is a lawful evil but his code is very arbitrary.
@@garretiswright8532 almost all the traps in all saw movies are actually rigged by either amanda or hoffman who really are psychos that get off on it, but in different ways. i think jigsaw really is supposed to be more of a guy that takes the philosophy to the extreme, but not in a deep way but a broken way, he's so convinced he can help people cause it "worked" for him after his suicide attempt, but he truly doesn't see that it didn't work, that and the cancer made him broken beyond repair. i believe him when he says he hates violence and murderers, he truly doesn't see what he does as that cause he's so bonkers. but i think hoffman is exactly a guy who uses the philosophy just because he gets off on it, and amanda just gets off on it, but needs the philosophy to lie to herself to make it seem better even tho she knows it's bullshit deep inside.
I remember seeing Saw 3D in theaters, and Chester Bennington having the skin of his entire backside ripped off just to get totally obliterated still lives in my head rent-free 😂 shit was traumatizing
It's a shame that he was meant to survive and be a bigger character in the series, LP and DBS made it so he had to be killed off. Would've been nice to see him become one of John's apprentices.
My favourite part of John Kramer's saw traps are that almost all of them have ways of escaping them by ignoring the rules of the game and using the tools provided to get out of your restraints
Mateo got electrified when he refused to play the tape. I'm pretty sure Jigsaw wouldn't allow his victims to get out of his traps without following his rules if he can help it.
@highTranscendant I disagree cause if you look at saw 2 especially they made a point out of a lot of these cheat codes that were purposefully included where if you used your head you could avoid the trap and get the reward. Also drilling through a lock would be so quick that he would probably be fine even if he gets shocked
I actually disagree with the "John doesn't give the victims enough time" point. SPOILERS: Valentina takes quite a while to get started on her game. She's incredibly hesitant to cut her leg off (like anyone would) until she's given instructions by Cecilia. She also takes multiple intervals while sawing off her leg. She was very close to completing her game, and if she had started several seconds earlier, she would've beaten it. Same with Mateo. Almost half his time had run out before he even picked up a tool. He performed his task fairly quickly, all things considered. If he started performing on himself a few seconds earlier (providing his brain sample was enough), he would've beaten the game, too.
Quite literally the time it took for them to cry and complain was the amount of time they needed which they would have lived... On top of that John is already dead this movie is before the cancer really got him good.
I agree, plus this guy ignores the fact that SPOILERS two of the victims actually DID beat their traps so you can't say they were practically impossible when two people beat them! Just because one of them was murdered later doesn't mean her game was unwinnable. Plus I guess Ceceilia beat hers too at the end, even though she should have been left to die.
I also disagree, I remember the time limit for Mateo’s game was 3 minutes and he started at minute 2. Also Valentina’s game was kind of rigged she completely cut her leg off and then she has to fill in a tank with her blood like wtf??? Why?. Also also Cecilia should have died.
this is all true and it's fair enough, i did think it was pretty silly though that they could succeed in time and do all they could, thej they had to wait for an extra needle to slooooowly register that they'd won
I think her survival does kinda muddle the canon a bit, but not by much. It could explain how Detective Matthews and Kerry knew that John was the killer going into Saw 2 but would leave open how they wouldn't know about Amanda
If I had to fill in the gaps, I would theorise that she is dead, but eventually Mexican law enforcement finds out about the scheme (Maybe Carlos spills the beans to the cops who knows?) and then finds all the bodies at the chemical plant. Information is then relayed back to the States. Perhaps already suspecting Kramer (as he was definitely a suspect) and seeing him on the patient list of this scam, and then finding them all as victims of the Jigsaw killer, it’s just too great of a coincidence to ignore, and they have their man.
Not really cause she figured out John was jigsaw cause jigsaw was known from his traps in saw 1 and she just put to and to together Amanda is unknown u rlly can’t link her to anything she’s just a random person helping John in Celia’s eyes
@@yaboyunc8201 to be fair, they do refer to Amanda by name several times, and up to this point, she is one of only two known survivors, it wouldn't be that hard to connect the dots.
i highly doubt cecilia would go to the cops about any of this, it puts her entire scam empire at stake, she's a super villain at the level of john, she'd take revenge into her own hands if she wanted to.
Spiral holds the same spot as Saw 3D for me; It's terrible, but it's hilarious so it's still usually worth watching, but it's terrible if you play it straight.
Saw X has a 85% on Rotten Tomatoes. That’s a wildly high critic score for a Saw film. 2nd highest was the first Saw at 50% and then the rest of them didn’t even reach 40%. Maybe they’ve found a secret ingredient.
Probably because most the movies aren't very well made Tbh it's the 2000s first big slasher which is why the franchise is popular and it shit out sequel after sequel The series has a good concept Decent kills and traps They just need good direction and better characters besides John Gordon and a few others
The Saw movies didn't really get bad, The focus of the story just shifted to something like Death Note where it's the detectives trying to find out the killers. It's my favorite franchise and I began loving it when I still didn't even like horror movies. I think because they were releasing one every year people simply got franchise fatigue like they are experiencing now with the Marvel movies despite the movie's not really dropping in quality. Spiral was the only film that doesn't feel like it fits the franchise but it's technically a spin-off anyway so it's cool
exactly. everyone talks about it like it's some trash when it was the horror equivalent of the mcu, they were blockbuster events and everyone was looking forward to the next one, the set design on them was magnificent. the quality went up and down, as it usually does with any franchise. it basically paved the way for mcu with the way the overarching narrative through all the sequels went. it stopped cause there's only so much yearly gore with a plot twist anyone can take. now it's been enough time i think audiences would love another run with saw X's style.
I think some of Charlie's criticisms are kinda the point of the movie. Like, the 'weird time limits'? Well, John is basically saying: "Yeah, life isn't so fair when you get cheated out of something that wasn't your fault. Now, in your final moments, you get to see how that feels." Then, with the evil woman actually living in the end, John is saying: "You're willing to do heinous, awful things without any care. Well, I'm not as bad as you; you deserve death, but I'm not just gonna kill you because I want to." So, I think it makes sense just fine.
absolutely. he often misses the point, not just him but so many people. so many criticisms are from not being able to perceive what the movie is telling you, instead of what you would've personally done with it.
So the ring leader of this whole crew is the one that gets the easiest trap that requires no personal sacrifice? A prostitute and a drug addict who are both just being used as pawns get mutilated, but the one using them and many others to hurt people all over the world gets Jigsaw to go easy on her and that's good writing?
@@CyanSorrow It's Kramer staying true to his word and ideology. He made the traps before knowing she would also kill the girl who won and involve a child. So he set up two traps one for her and the guy, and then the room trap if Kramer and Amanda ended up in the trap and they tried to take the money. In the end, the room game was designed to where there would be one winner, and she won the game, so she gets to live. I don't know if the game itself was good writing since it was kind of just survival of the fittest, or if Kramers ideology makes any sense I personally think it's insane, but the fact that he stayed true to his ideology of whoever wins the game gets to be free is moreso the point of it all
@@novum2915It’s the dumbest way to express his ideology. The pawns get the worst and all the ringleaders have to do to live is kill the other. Why didn’t they lose something treasured like their leg, brain matter, or ankles like the others did? It’s so silly how it played out.
I think the fact that people that didnt deserve being in a trap, but ended up there, was the plot in the later SAW films (4 - 7). Amanda was doing this and John knew and tasked the dude that cut his foot off in the first film to come after her.
Excitedly got to see Saw X early. I’ve been a Saw nut since I was 9. Definitely happy with the movie. Can’t wait for Saw 11. Totally left space for that.
I remember from one of the past movies a woman being forced to play one of John's games because she took antidepressants... It's good to see more hatable characters being put in these movies
Yeah, one dude was trapped just because he smoked. A lady died (imo) in the most horrific way in the series because she married a con man...and she didn't even know he was a con man.
John in the first movie tasked zepp with killing John's family if gordon fails. Had Zepp not been overpowered, they would have died. So killing innocents is something John was doing since Saw 1
I'm a little pissed. Up until about a month ago I'd only seen the first saw movie and I watched through the entire series specifically to prep for this one and then my local theater decided not to even play it
I like your commentary about Jigsaw's traps not being fair. It's a great way for this film to highlight the hypocrisy between Kramer's spoken ideals and what he actually does. We gotta remember he's a guy with a brain tumor and is dangerously unhinged. I think it fits that he doesn't give barely any time, because although he says everyone deserves a chance, I don't think he really believes that most of the time, it's just an out for him to rationalize his infernal deeds.
Anyone who doesn't explicitly die on screen in a Saw movie generally lives and comes back in a later movie. Haven't seen this one but it sounds like the person who lives at the end may return.
Hey Charlie! For the past two hours I’ve been putting a coat of polyurethane on my floor and I’ve just been letting your videos autoplay and it’s made this job go by so much faster. Thanks for making the time fly!
I just came back from watching the movie (literally an hour ago), and I genuinely liked it a lot. My favorite of the series used to be Saw II, but Saw X is definitely my favorite now.
it was just so gooood !!!!!! i love ittt... i didnt watch the last couple ones cuz they got boring, but they made the story SO INTERESTING ! goshhhh i loved it so much
I watched Saw X and Paw Patrol 2 back to back yesterday because I thought it was funny how once again two violently opposite movies came out on the same day. I’ve never seen anything from either franchise before, but I still did it. I feel accomplished and very much less sane. Moral of the story: don’t do to yourself what I did.
There is a dream scene in Two and a Half Men where they were in the future at the theater and there was a poster for Saw 10. It was making fun of the series for having so many, at the time there was only like five of them.
I think this is the best route to go with the series at this point Sweet grandpa John Kramer and his quirky adopted daughter Amanda putting terrible people in traps lo
Charlie idk what you're talking about every single saw movie one after the other gets better and better with each plot twist it's a cinematic masterpiece and i hope this series goes for 10 more movies
To your point about how they didn't have enough time. They actually did, yeah it's rough that they didn't have many extra seconds to deal with the stress, but the first girl did lose like 20 seconds before she started getting into action, the same as Matteo guy, who wasted half a minute before he started cutting his brains
People forget that John Kramer had Dr. Gordon kidnapped in the first movie for.....adultery? Which isnt a crime, Adam for being a......private photographer? And had Gordon's family held hostage at gun point for doing literally nothing. This shows Kramer orchestrated all this out of spite for Dr. Gordon for just telling him he had cancer, while clinging onto a pseudo moral lesson in order to justify his actions which made him seem he was doing God's work. In the 6th movie he literally put a person in one of the traps for being a smoker (its was designed by John, not Hoffman or Amanda). I like Saw and Saw 2 since he was portrayed like an unhinged, menacing serial killer who did have a point, but still utterly flawed, while in the third and onwards they switched gears and really wanted us to look at him as some sort of wise prophet, which always rubbed me the wrong way and completely dismissed the point of the original film.
5:12 I agree with you, but now that you mention it, I think it is some sort of metaphor to what he was dealing with. When it comes to his life, he didn’t have much TIME LEFT. So that’s why it was up to them to use their limited time wisely, even if it was only a few minutes, and start saving their life right away. You have to also remember John Kramers frustration with them is probably what made him give them that time limit as well.
I enjoy how this movie is much more character and story focused than most of the Saw franchise. I love the first 3 but I don't really care about the rest, Saw X was definitely the best since 3 and I had pretty low expectations. Overall it was pretty good, Tobin Bell was great and the first half of the movie was actually my favorite part.
I liked it! Previous movies revolved more around the players, and started directly with the game, but this one is much more about John, which is pretty cool.
also the fact that 2 traps fail because you're waiting for something to happen. the people did the task but your waiting 15 seconds for something on jigsaws end
Original saw films, from the first one, had so many impossible traps. Even if they were possible, most of the traps were basically death sentences as soon you got on them, even if you escaped, you would die.
John always ensures the survival of those who succeed in there traps, its even illustrated in this movie with Gabriella. She passed and he immediately tells Amanda to get her to a hospital for treatment until they are interupted a little early by Sears, which was a free flowing part of his plan, once brought out into the room John even reiterated again that they needed to get Gabby to a hospital, she passed her test, she gets to live, but Cec kills her. In the later films, this wasn't an accident it was a PLOT POINT that his apprentices were twisting an already VERY warped world view even further, to the point, that Jigsaw set up contingency after contingency to ensure no apprentice could continue his work unless they did so as he seen fit.
saw X is the first movie I’ve seen in a theater in a couple years and I was high so that might’ve made me more forgiving, but it’s the first saw movie that has actively captivated me. The main plot and the side plot were both good imo which is something most of the films don’t have both of.
agreed, it had its issues and it's rather open ending was a bit confusing (though i assume this is setting up for a future Kramor orientated film) but for a modern saw movie? it was pretty damn good
Tobin Bell deserves an Oscar for turning a man lying on a floor to a horror icon and putting 110% in every movie
Well.... it was the director that did that not the actor but I agree with the sentiment
@@skweebwellington Technically the writer would be responsible for that and before you say, "Um, actually James Wan wrote and directed-" He *co-wrote* it. You can thank writer/actor Leigh Whannell because he is behind every good idea you've ever seen in James Wan's mediocre films.
@@RealBimmyyeahhhh not really man. James wan is a mediocre director, I agree. But it's the execution of the entire movie that makes the twist what it is. Writing can be great but if the execution sucks then it almost means nothing. They both deserve praise, everything has to move like clockwork for a film to come out of the oven proper.
@@RealBimmyTobin Bell actually gives a lot of input to his character’s lines. There’s an interview with one of the producers where he talks about how with anything they write for him, he just changes to be more in line with what he thinks Jigsaw would say or do. Small thing but he does personally have creative input.
@@skweebwellington tobin bell actually laid there the whole time so it was indeed the actor that did it it was actually him
Saw is always one of the franchises that I would watch at a friends house and then end up traumatized
My farts are better than charlie's farts 💀
Bro the bots are wild
The second one sucked bum
Nah the series ain't that scary tbh
@@narcoticlilac6588fr it’s just gore and once you get used to it it’s okay
Charlie not bringing up the line "epic bad luck" was criminal. That line had me and a friend crying.
My eyes rolled out of my head when I heard that line 😂
It’s not water boarding, it’s blood boarding
That was such a mid 2000s quote it was brilliant lmao
@@yesmansam6686bro same 🤣
It's such a good line lol
By normal standards it’s a good movie, by Saw standards it’s incredible
I am heavily disappointed that the saw franchise idea has potential to litearlly make the greatest horror movies ever but the excution is trash
Saw X is the best Saw movie
@@coltforceplayer its 1 imo
@@coltforceplayerinsane def 1
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I loved that Amanda was still conflicted with the morality of their deeds. It shows she was still fresh.
Well saw x takes place right before 2 so it's before she goes completely insane.
Reminds me of Rick Grimes and his decent into madness. Losing his morality throughout TWD series.
Why has Amanda got a Vulcan haircut in Saw X ? 👀
@@kingslayer2999they had to make he look young so she had wig
@@Devourgorgon I'm aware. I loved that they made it a significant element of the plot. The gradual transition from acting tough and psychopathic to showing sympathy gave her character more depth. It also gave Jigsaw more depth in the process because it made you wonder why he had no ounce of pity unlike Amanda. While she was terrified by their screams, he just watched apathetically. What made him become so unfazed by such an absurd level of violence?
The juxtaposition of both characters is something I wished they focused on till the end. I wanted her moral conflict to intensify with each death to the point of crying for Cecilia despite the gravity of her crimes. A gut-wrenching, violent ending to an emotional build-up would have been far better.
I guess they really wanted to make Jigsaw look like a good guy so bad...which he is not.
Pretty amazing that Tobin Bell is still doing these, even at 81 years old. Regardless of the varying quality of the films, he’s always committed. I genuinely didn't expect this movie to be as good, and effective, as it was. 👌🔥
@@LordTommyParkyVEVOok bud 💀
@@LordTommyParkyVEVOcease your trolling or else ⚠️
@@MamadNobari Yeah, in saw III he "supposedly died"
Is he 81? Still looking good. I just recently found out Tobin Bell was in Sopranos. What a crossover😂
But a baseball cap on him and suddenly he's 51
I feel like the reason why the traps weren’t soo wild was because he was supposed to be in Mexico temporarily. Plus it’s supposed to be saw 1.5, he would’ve just started out making them so it would make sense that they were not as crazy to begin with.
The traps are really cool, tho. Really Nasty.
I thought the traps were pretty wild at least the brain one, the young ladies trap was very simple
Not wild? A woman has to cut her whole leg off and suck her bone marrow out! A man has to perform brain surgery on himself name one other saw trap that's worse than either of those they're some the best traps and gore of the whole series.
Oh, just because it was set after the 1st movie doesn't mean he just started making traps. The timeline gets so messy, and is a very flashback-focused, haphazardly-planned franchise. He'd been making "games" for like a decade
Saw 2.5 but yeah
So far for 2023, we’ve gotten a fantastic A24 horror film, a really good scream film, a great Evil Dead film, and a pretty solid Saw film! Horror is back on the menu, boys
We're in a really good time for horror. There are good indie/A24 films and good franchise movies at the same time.
@@willshields4480like the backrooms
It’s alright.. we’re far from being ina renaissance in movies this year or last
100% Agree. Every one of those movies exceeded my expectations, great year for horror
Hopefully the same can be said for the FNAF movie
Charlie, I think the reason why he gave them very little time was because he took this particular game VERY PERSONAL. He was a victim of their scam. Plus, giving them very little time is symbolic of them taking advantage of his desperation to find a cure within THE LITTLE TIME he had left. He wanted their chances of survival to be a slim as his.
You took advantage of my desperestion therfore its only equal that i take advantage of your hesitation
They gave him hope, he returned the favour
And to be fair they did waste time. Both wasted a minute of their time
On top of that, mateo and valentina hesitated for the first thirty seconds, i think hadnt they hesitated, they wouldve gotten out with a bit of time to spare
I think they had more than enough time.. they just wasted it panicking at the start.
to anyone who doesn't want spoilers, he gave it a 70%
Thanks buddy
Ty. It's annoying that he removed the meter but I bet he did know that people just skip through it to find the rating
Ty for your sacrifices, I hope your pillow is cold tonight 🩷🩷🩷
My hero
@@LordTommyParkyVEVObro, just shut up
I loved how they showed Amanda's empathy and desperation for approval.
3:48 if you watched the movie, he does give them the right amount of time, but each victim freaks out for a precious 30 seconds
John even heavily emphasized not to "hesitate". People who defend the victims being whining and "hesitate like any normal person would" is dumb argument. You played yourself into stupid game now you won stupid prize.
The fact that this movie turned out to be one of the better Saw sequels is absolutely surprising. Especially that it's written by the same duo who wrote Jigsaw and Spiral and directed by the guy who directed Saw VI and Saw 3D. I guess third time's the charm for them, lol.
their goal was to emulate the feel and look of the first 2, and they did very good.
i mean saw 6 is easily one of the better saws so. but ye, 3d, jigsaw and spiral are easily bottom 3
Have you played the SAW video game? It’s a banger fr
Spiral was really good tho
except 6 goes absolutely hard
This movie felt very unique in regards to Saw movies. It had way more character development, emotion to it, etc. I had a blast with this movie. It was really well done.
Ah yes, the torture, the betrayals, the *_character development_* was *definitely* present.
@@AntiOfficerBMTnuh uh
@@CrewmateComplexXPbrother you have an amongus pfp and name and actually said “beta boy” you should not be saying anything
@@AntiOfficerBMTcease your trolling or else ⚠️
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I really want there to be a movie where John creates a trap, and the victim doesn't even want to attempt it because they'd rather die and not have to worry about the struggles of being alive. And then he appoints them as an apprentice.
isn't that the opposite of his philosophy, though? his traps are supposed to make you appreciate your life, not give up on it.
He wouldn't appoint anyone like that bruh... I think it was Saw 2 that started with a guy who had to cut out the key behind his eye but he didn't even start cutting he was just crying and panicking.
I guarantee in the moment right before suicidal people die they regret it. It's why the suicidal guy in the razor wire from Saw 1 tries to save himself even though right before his capture he was going to slit his risks again or the girl in The Boys who no longer wants to go thru with her suicide once Homelander tells her go ahead you're worthless anyways. Deep down these people really just want attention & special treatment take that away & watch them want to live.
Literally all I knew about Saw X before this Moist Meter was a while ago when the producers were so confused by audiences responding positively to test screenings, they thought it was rigged.
That’s interesting. I guess they thought it’d flop?
It wasn't the producers who were confused. It was the distributor - they thought that the producers had brought their friends in for the test screenings and that it was rigged.
@@thisispeace101 that's my bad, I was going off of memory.
🤣😭🤣 these people really think we just wanted gore when that's why the movies started fucking up was relying on it, people liked saw because it had good writing and there was reason behind things and you could sort of see how it all works, hated later films that were more about torture porn
@@aronsurakh17477,8,9. 1,2,4,5,6 where prime saw. I liked X too. I excluded 3 on purpose. 2nd worst film of the franchise. The first is Jigsaw with that fraud Logan.
I agree with charlies conclusion 100%, the fact I didn't see that woman definitively die leaves the door open in ways I really hoped it didn't. If any player of the game deserved to get their head chopped off it was FOR SURE her.
The woman lives shows the flaw in John's philosophy. He believes a 2nd chance at life would change people for the better, BUT the worst type of people would usually end up being the survivor because they were always willing to hurt others to live. In the end, nothing changes for them. Amanda saw this flaw (she argues that the woman doesn't deserve a chance) and this is most likely why Amanda created unbeatable traps so her victims never had a chance to live in the first place. We all know how that ended for Amanda.
Honestly, it makes perfect sense with John's flawed philosophy and how Saw X is a prequel to Saw 3.
@@Aliens1337yea agree. If they make a sequel to this, it should show her returning doing something crazy tht further explains how Amanda shifted from Kramer ideology
Honestly the games are not equally fair ,she only had to stab a dude to survive…
That one girl literally had to cut off her leg in 3 minutes to survive,jigsaw wanted that main evil bitch to survive
@@remssser2256 now that you mention it, you're totally right.
Even if she was put into her "intended" trap (the double bloodboarding trap) that still guarantees that at least one of them would have walked away alive, or I guess they just bounce back and forth until the thing eventually runs out of blood.
No matter how it played out, one of those two asshats would have walked away alive against a much easier more merciful trap than any of the lesser contributors in the scheme.
I mean ffs, the taxi driver had pipe bombs sewn into his arm, while the head of the operation just had to kill her boyfriend (she probably didn't give a fuck about anyway) to live. What the fuck.
@@LoLo25Athis would be great. Because I doubt she can be fine with seeing people die one second and then offer to help others like she did in older movies and even this one a bit. Something had to change her mind to make her traps so deadly
Making john kramer the focus of this movie , to further explore his backstory , is a really great idea . Remains to be seen though , whether this would resurrect the saw franchise .
Whether or not the franchise will continue depends on the box office, but it looks like it's getting good reviews and a solid opening weekend, so we might be seeing another movie.
Idk, Saw X feels like a great way to ends things, Tobin Bell is 81, Jigsaw has been dead for over 10 years and I dont thinl anyone cares about the spiral guy
@@TimeBomb014XMark Hoffman still isnt confirmed to be dead, the guy from jigsaw and lawrence gordon. There is still enought left in this universe.
Idk I think it should end here on a high note. Plus the way it ended was almost like them walking off into the sunset
I wish new stories could be told instead of trying desperately to milk every last possible story out of every fictional universe
I don’t know about that time limit comment. I know with Mateo and Val’s trap it was a bit frustrating as to how close they got to winning but they both actually took almost 1 minute to get started. They burned through a third of their time and still almost won. Actually I think it was a good move on the part of the producers, since in real life we all known panic would be likely to overtake people, and it struck a great balance between Hoffman and Amanda’s unwinnable traps and John’s more lenient traps
I was thinking the same thing, they would have won their games if they hadn't wasted so much time.
Completely agreed. They wasted so much time complaining, they could have survived. As horrible as they both are, I can't help but feel a touch bad for them because they both made the sacrifice, even if a touch too late. Especially Val. So close to pouring all the bone marrow on the scale.
Idk they had to do some pretty narly things. That chick sawed her whole leg off in less than 3min with a wire but then also had to stick a tube inside her leg to pump blood.
And that guy had to scalp and lobotomize parts of his brain in 3 min and he did but then had to wait for it to disolved. Then had his mutilated face clamped with hot iron 😬 elements
I respectfully disagree, I feel like they’re given such little time for film editing purposes- no one would watch someone mutilate themself for too long, it would get boring.
Three minutes to saw off your leg and collect bone marrow is just insane I don’t even buy that as movie logic
I'm only annoyed at Mateo and Val's traps because they both succeeded but the key release mechanisms took so long and was completely out of their control that they still die anyway
I just came back from seeing it to and in my opinion this saw has completely redeemed itself . It’s actually amazing . It not only goes back to the classic saw premises , but it’s well pace, the story is good, it make you root for jigsaw . And the gore is actually really good.
That’s the best part about jigsaw. Yeah he’s a really bad guy but at least his traps that he does himself have a reason behind them
As a SAW fan, im just happy to see that the movies are where the SAW fans want it to be. It may not be a great horror movie series, but its definitely a FANTASTIC drama story with some pretty decent twists in there. Glad to see even Charlie thinks its okay.
@@LordTommyParkyVEVOYeah... Your one video of a trollface with 26 views is totally much better than Charlie... Right... I'd believe Jigsaw was a devout Christian during his reign as a murderer.
Not all the movies have been home runs but the story of John Kramer/ Jigsaw is a home run
Idk the plot is so half assed in this one
exactly the movie really hit me hard i started crying at the end idk as a future mom of a boy im like mexican as well so hes gonna know spanish idk it hit me knowing that if saw was a real and my baby came home like that to me i would've cried so hard and known my lil baby was traumatized but i know john didn't want that to happen and im glad he saved the lil baby but carlos also wanted to help john which hurt because the fucken bond they had dude he saw john obviously suffering and he wanted to pull the lever to save john dudeeee stop😭 i broke down when john had the lever pulled so carlos wasn't able to "waterboard" himself truly got my anxiety going my lil baby was kicking me all throughout the movie which made me as well think i don't want my baby to go through that
@@danielhicks1824it's background lmao ofc it needs to be fast lol like idk if its saw 6 or 5 where he brings up the fact that he has alot of money to be able to afford the treatment but the dude simply refused it i forgot how and john left then the family that the dude killed their father they chose his fate which was death and everyone fav emo kid was there rodrick its just a movie to bring the other movie tied together uk because Amanda and john are dead as in rn yes they are dead like yea saw x they are alive but no they died wayy long before this the new jigsaw is Detective Hoffman i fucken hate him u gotta watch the others to understand saw x lmao its not just random movies they are all connected
He gave it 70% for any of you guys who don't want to be spoiled.
Thank you!
@@AntiOfficerBMTdoing the Lord's work. I tip my hat sir.
The razor wire trap was insane. Been a saw fan since the first one, THIS was my favorite
I absolutely completely agree with you on the ending, I felt really unsatisfied for the same reasons you were and thought "what the fuck, why did they do this" and was so surprised to find no reviewers mention it at all and call the third act brilliant and amazing and mindblowing and all this shit. Like, how does nobody mention how unsatisfying it was for John and Amanda to leave Cecilia alive and un-maimed after she was the mastermind of the horrible scam, killed Gabriella in cold blood for no good reason, and INVOLVED A CHILD, ALSO FOR NO GOOD REASON. Seriously stupid that the filmmakers didnt find the most over-the-top gory way to satisfyingly off her.
Tbh i thought the last trap on her would be ‘ call her dad..’ and would have to do with the heart.. again, there’s s no point for hte taxi driver to talk about the heart.. when we don’t have the heart in a trap;.. missed opportunity.. didn’t relaly think the traps were very creative. Or reflected what the person ‘ deserved’.
that's because it's a cliffhanger, it's like that for a reason lol, because it'll be followed up. that's how it usually is in saw films
she's definitely returning in another film, her screen presence was too great to just kill her off right away, she has so much potential for a crazy revenge plot in any further timeline. what's unsatisfying to you was super satisfying to me, i want more of her, she's so evil i wanna see what crazy shit she could come up with.
I don't agree, although obviously the girl dying or getting injured in some way in a game would be the satisfying ending for the audience, the point of the game John made was for there to be one winner and for that winner to continue living. She won the game and was free to go from there, he stayed true to his ideology in the end despite how much the girl may have "deserved" worse. She also still supposedly lost all her money and I'm sure she will be watched since Kramer wouldn't allow this scheme to happen again, or if it did put her in a game again.
The child was an unfortunate accident, would have been interesting to have Kramer beat himself up over someone who wasn’t supposed to be there being there
I just got out of it, and honestly I really liked this movie. It felt a lot deeper than your average saw film.
So like, the depth of a kiddie pool vs the depth of a street puddle. Got it.
@@lollol-rh2epdepth of a lake
i hated the ending where the most piece of shit person ended up surviving
@@michaelramirezlongstreet3044 I’m 90% sure he left her to starve or die if dehydration or something
@@michaelramirezlongstreet3044don't worry, Amanda will go back in again and kill all the survivors like she always does.
The post credit scene was awesome. The whole time I was trying to figure out if he’d get his revenge on the guy who set him up in the first place.
Bro you stole this comment from the r/movies discussion on Saw X, why.
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*He gives them less time because they almost survive, he gives them false hope like they gave him*
2:30 Charlie that's done on purpose, some traps are meant to be flawed or out right unfair. Later down the line you learn that some traps don't reflect John Kramer's ideologies of giving a fair chance at rehabilitation, they also seem a bit different to John's work simply because they weren't done by John but instead by Amanda or Hoffman. They show that the motives behind some traps were just personal and were used as punishments rather than giving people a chance to fight for their lives.
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@@cultmemberrno Saw X
Yeah, Amanda, although she adored Kramer she was her own person with her own ideologies and implemented that into the traps she made. She got my favorite character killed in the first movie
John’s traps are also unfair and flawed
@@minnamandariini4843 To be fair you are correct, Amanda and Hoffman aren’t excuses to justify John as a righteousness and fair person. In the end they’re all psychos and just like Charlie highlighted in this video regarding the traps it never seemed like the people ever had enough time to even begin with to complete it.
When I was younger - these were the only movies that really scared me. I would have to watch the behind the scenes in the menu options before the movie itself 😭 That way I’d see everything that made the gore possible
I just watched saw 1-4 and X. One thing I notice, no paranormal scenes or jump scares. I just like the low budget, gritty approach to horror.
I was like 4 when I saw saw 5. I went to sleep that night thinking I was about to wake up in a trap😂
that's funny because when I was a kid these were the only horror movies I wasn't scared to watch, as I would rationalize in my head that only bad people ended up being tested anyways
Charlie waking up in a saw room:
"This is really goofy."
I really enjoyed the part where John Saw said "IT'S SAWIN' TIME" and sawed all over the place
He never said that at all.
I think Charlie might have not realized that characters like Mateo and Valentina both started about a minute after the timer. Which automatically made them lose. If they would have started on time as Charlie suggested they would have won with time to spare but since they wasted the first minute of their test.
I doubt you would jsut start chopping your leg off.. there is shock and fear.. it should be 5 minutes.. it’s kinda stupid if there is a timer.. if they’re actually in the middle of doing it and completing it
@@npcimknot958true, but like op said if they didnt each waste a min they wouldve made it with time. I saw someone else comment that the reason it was very little time, is that this is personal for Kramer. He was scammed by them with what little time he had left for what he thought was a possible cure. He was just returning the favour of time to them
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for valentina, the timer does not start until she picks up the saw. for most of john's games, the timer doesn't actually start until YOU do.
Saw is probably the only movie franchise that I will paid for the full movie experience. Can't wait to see this.
I never cared for Saw movies. always seemed like gore for the sake of gore
@@b1bbscraz3yYeah, I heard from a friend they're doing Saw Con as the next movie, which should be all about traumatizing people mentally instead and include multiple uses of a famous deadly disease. Hopefully they put just as much effort into it, might be worth watching.
@@b1bbscraz3ythe first one is great! Barely any gore. More like a thriller with gorey aspects
@@b1bbscraz3yid wager that's what someone told you without having the initiative to investigate that claim yourself.
Gore is a component and when it's happening theirs always a reason you'd be shocked to know theirs an over arcing story happening behind the gore
You're just lazy and you follow what other people say.
@@RileyHawkins2 what? it's easy as shit to watch a Saw movie at literally any point in the past 20 years. I saw the first one, didn't care for it. I know there's "more to it" behind the gore, never cared. literally all my own opinion. you just hear Charlie say something like "you just copy what everyone else says" then ironically repeat the same thing to everyone you come across. I also liked Jigsaw more when he was spoofed in the Scary movie films. is that also something someone else told me, and not something I can believe myself?
The arbitrary time limit the victims receive is completely unfair especially when they naturally waste their limited amount of time panicking and being scared.
the low time limits are probably there to test how much people have the will and eagerness to survive.
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To be fair to the time constraints for the traps, John does explicitly tell one of them at the beginning before the games start to "not hesitate", but yeah I agree that some of them definitely should've made it. Great movie imo tho, really loved it compared to the last 3 Saw movies
For these Moist Meters you could edit in an on screen visual for spoilers so people can mute and unmute as they please to avoid them. Something simple and hard to miss like red text saying “spoilers” on the side of the screen. It would give you more liberty in what you can spoil without worrying much about actually revealing too much for those who care. I’ve no more notes, great review.
as the child, the saw killer was probably the scariest slasher out there, i remember watching the movies excitedl- until it was bedtime
Charlie’s consistency is actually horrifying, put me in a room with him from 2013, and I couldn’t tell the difference
@@CrewmateComplexXPdream on
I’m here if you want to see an actual human comment. 😁
he was totally different back then, wtf are you on about?
@@I-VisiBomb-I totally?
idk he's become more serious-ish as he got older. even when he was 24 he was way more sarcastic and almost took nothing serious. he does that less today and while he's still sarcastic he takes things more seriously than he used to
I watched this movie in 4Dx and I was amazed to say the least. The chairs throwing you around, water splashing on your head, wind blowing, flashing lights. Really gave it an immersive experience. Would definitely recommend.
4D for a Saw movie? Lucky you didnt get glued to the seat and hear 'I want to play a game'
hahaha yeah i was scared shitless during the entire movie lol@@TheMushMe
I feel it's more realistic to view John K as a psychopath who tries to justify his crimes to himself rather than a deep philosopher who takes it to the extreme. I think he gets off on it and will find and torture anyone he can get his hands on (justifying it for any reason he can think of to himself). This would explain the unfair traps, low time limits, and choice of victims quite well. He genuinely does believe in his "work" but is more interested in the suffering than anything else at least subconsciously. His "code" is something he doesn't even really feel he has to abide by.
Naw i think he is a embodiment of karma he isnt a phychopath cause he does have emotion so id suggest look up the word phychopath he does fit being more of a philiospher that takes it to the extreme punishing killers and peoples wrong doings getting justice for the people who been done wrong and some would be glad john did that cause in there eyes they deserve it but to the killers they dont wonna experience pain like to be fair el chapo is in prison right and he said to the guards this is inhumane because he is in a max prison trapped in a cell like sure its messed up bbuuutt he did do horrible things to the world so he deserves it...its the same thing with johns jigsaw configuration
I kind of agree, but I do think he views his code as very important. I'd put him at Lawful Evil in the alignment chart, just because he kills many people (somewhat justified but not justified enough for death). The reason why I put him at that is mainly because he didn't push the lever at all during the blood boarding scene
@@thetrashcans8447 I can see that, but mostly when making the traps they don't feel like they are meant to be beaten (the eyeball trap from Saw 2 comes to mind). I think, in his perspective, if he didn't view his code as important then his killings would be evil, and he can't be evil. So he is willing to overlook holes in his morality to make the traps work in his mind because what he really loves is those traps. Even with that, I would agree that he is a lawful evil but his code is very arbitrary.
@@garretiswright8532 makes sense. Because some of his traps are really easy and some of his traps are literally impossible. Very good argument.
@@garretiswright8532 almost all the traps in all saw movies are actually rigged by either amanda or hoffman who really are psychos that get off on it, but in different ways. i think jigsaw really is supposed to be more of a guy that takes the philosophy to the extreme, but not in a deep way but a broken way, he's so convinced he can help people cause it "worked" for him after his suicide attempt, but he truly doesn't see that it didn't work, that and the cancer made him broken beyond repair. i believe him when he says he hates violence and murderers, he truly doesn't see what he does as that cause he's so bonkers. but i think hoffman is exactly a guy who uses the philosophy just because he gets off on it, and amanda just gets off on it, but needs the philosophy to lie to herself to make it seem better even tho she knows it's bullshit deep inside.
I’m going to watch this with my friend tomorrow and I’m hyped af. I can tell they went hard with this one and I can’t be more excited
It's a good one. Just be sure to stick around after the first few credits so you don't miss the small after credits scene ;)
i just watched it today and loved it! hope you enjoyed it :)
I remember seeing Saw 3D in theaters, and Chester Bennington having the skin of his entire backside ripped off just to get totally obliterated still lives in my head rent-free 😂 shit was traumatizing
It's a shame that he was meant to survive and be a bigger character in the series, LP and DBS made it so he had to be killed off. Would've been nice to see him become one of John's apprentices.
how am i just now realizing that was Chester Bennington 😂
@@shikarifox4337 damn didn't know that, that would be sick :((
Rest in peace btw!
The traps were honestly good ngl, they were making me feel all sorta ways lol, the bone marrow one literally made my knees weak
My favourite part of John Kramer's saw traps are that almost all of them have ways of escaping them by ignoring the rules of the game and using the tools provided to get out of your restraints
Mateo got electrified when he refused to play the tape. I'm pretty sure Jigsaw wouldn't allow his victims to get out of his traps without following his rules if he can help it.
@highTranscendant I disagree cause if you look at saw 2 especially they made a point out of a lot of these cheat codes that were purposefully included where if you used your head you could avoid the trap and get the reward. Also drilling through a lock would be so quick that he would probably be fine even if he gets shocked
I actually disagree with the "John doesn't give the victims enough time" point.
SPOILERS:
Valentina takes quite a while to get started on her game. She's incredibly hesitant to cut her leg off (like anyone would) until she's given instructions by Cecilia. She also takes multiple intervals while sawing off her leg. She was very close to completing her game, and if she had started several seconds earlier, she would've beaten it.
Same with Mateo. Almost half his time had run out before he even picked up a tool. He performed his task fairly quickly, all things considered. If he started performing on himself a few seconds earlier (providing his brain sample was enough), he would've beaten the game, too.
Quite literally the time it took for them to cry and complain was the amount of time they needed which they would have lived... On top of that John is already dead this movie is before the cancer really got him good.
I agree, plus this guy ignores the fact that SPOILERS two of the victims actually DID beat their traps so you can't say they were practically impossible when two people beat them! Just because one of them was murdered later doesn't mean her game was unwinnable. Plus I guess Ceceilia beat hers too at the end, even though she should have been left to die.
@@madisonestes1357 Cecilia is most probably dead as she WAS left to die and the poisonous gas must have destroyed her limbs and torso.
I also disagree, I remember the time limit for Mateo’s game was 3 minutes and he started at minute 2. Also Valentina’s game was kind of rigged she completely cut her leg off and then she has to fill in a tank with her blood like wtf??? Why?.
Also also Cecilia should have died.
this is all true and it's fair enough, i did think it was pretty silly though that they could succeed in time and do all they could, thej they had to wait for an extra needle to slooooowly register that they'd won
I didn't even know there was a new saw movie Glad to hear it’s pretty good.
Someone report these bots lol
I think her survival does kinda muddle the canon a bit, but not by much. It could explain how Detective Matthews and Kerry knew that John was the killer going into Saw 2 but would leave open how they wouldn't know about Amanda
If I had to fill in the gaps, I would theorise that she is dead, but eventually Mexican law enforcement finds out about the scheme (Maybe Carlos spills the beans to the cops who knows?) and then finds all the bodies at the chemical plant. Information is then relayed back to the States. Perhaps already suspecting Kramer (as he was definitely a suspect) and seeing him on the patient list of this scam, and then finding them all as victims of the Jigsaw killer, it’s just too great of a coincidence to ignore, and they have their man.
Not really cause she figured out John was jigsaw cause jigsaw was known from his traps in saw 1 and she just put to and to together Amanda is unknown u rlly can’t link her to anything she’s just a random person helping John in Celia’s eyes
@@yaboyunc8201 to be fair, they do refer to Amanda by name several times, and up to this point, she is one of only two known survivors, it wouldn't be that hard to connect the dots.
i highly doubt cecilia would go to the cops about any of this, it puts her entire scam empire at stake, she's a super villain at the level of john, she'd take revenge into her own hands if she wanted to.
@@richardtheactor that’s true
watched this with my mom and we both really liked it and im glad it was as good as i was hoping
As long as it’s not as bad as Spiral I’d consider it a win. Glad to hear it’s pretty good.
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Spiral holds the same spot as Saw 3D for me; It's terrible, but it's hilarious so it's still usually worth watching, but it's terrible if you play it straight.
People hate Spiral?
@@Devourgorgon I'm guessing Charlie didn't like it which is why everyone in this comment section is saying they hate it.
How? Spiral was the best saw movie and it's not even close
Saw X has a 85% on Rotten Tomatoes. That’s a wildly high critic score for a Saw film. 2nd highest was the first Saw at 50% and then the rest of them didn’t even reach 40%. Maybe they’ve found a secret ingredient.
Probably because most the movies aren't very well made
Tbh it's the 2000s first big slasher which is why the franchise is popular and it shit out sequel after sequel
The series has a good concept
Decent kills and traps
They just need good direction and better characters besides John Gordon and a few others
The movie just came out. It may go down. Those other films r decades old.
RT stopped being a reliable source long time ago.
@narcoticlilac6588 it's got good directing on films like the 1st 3 and the 6th film, and now saw X
They realised they can Just buy good scores lol
The Saw movies didn't really get bad, The focus of the story just shifted to something like Death Note where it's the detectives trying to find out the killers. It's my favorite franchise and I began loving it when I still didn't even like horror movies. I think because they were releasing one every year people simply got franchise fatigue like they are experiencing now with the Marvel movies despite the movie's not really dropping in quality. Spiral was the only film that doesn't feel like it fits the franchise but it's technically a spin-off anyway so it's cool
exactly. everyone talks about it like it's some trash when it was the horror equivalent of the mcu, they were blockbuster events and everyone was looking forward to the next one, the set design on them was magnificent. the quality went up and down, as it usually does with any franchise. it basically paved the way for mcu with the way the overarching narrative through all the sequels went. it stopped cause there's only so much yearly gore with a plot twist anyone can take. now it's been enough time i think audiences would love another run with saw X's style.
John is the only reason I watch the Saw movies and he is one of my favorite characters in modern cinema. It’ll be nice having him front and center.
I loved when saw said "its sawing time" and sawed all over them
NO!!!!
I would love to put everyone who makes this joke in a jigsaw puzzle.
ha ha funny jared leto vampire joke so funny new and relevant
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@@AntiOfficerBMTcease your trolling or else ⚠️
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I think some of Charlie's criticisms are kinda the point of the movie. Like, the 'weird time limits'? Well, John is basically saying: "Yeah, life isn't so fair when you get cheated out of something that wasn't your fault. Now, in your final moments, you get to see how that feels." Then, with the evil woman actually living in the end, John is saying: "You're willing to do heinous, awful things without any care. Well, I'm not as bad as you; you deserve death, but I'm not just gonna kill you because I want to." So, I think it makes sense just fine.
absolutely. he often misses the point, not just him but so many people. so many criticisms are from not being able to perceive what the movie is telling you, instead of what you would've personally done with it.
So the ring leader of this whole crew is the one that gets the easiest trap that requires no personal sacrifice? A prostitute and a drug addict who are both just being used as pawns get mutilated, but the one using them and many others to hurt people all over the world gets Jigsaw to go easy on her and that's good writing?
@@CyanSorrow It's Kramer staying true to his word and ideology. He made the traps before knowing she would also kill the girl who won and involve a child. So he set up two traps one for her and the guy, and then the room trap if Kramer and Amanda ended up in the trap and they tried to take the money. In the end, the room game was designed to where there would be one winner, and she won the game, so she gets to live. I don't know if the game itself was good writing since it was kind of just survival of the fittest, or if Kramers ideology makes any sense I personally think it's insane, but the fact that he stayed true to his ideology of whoever wins the game gets to be free is moreso the point of it all
Yeah the main point is false hope
@@novum2915It’s the dumbest way to express his ideology. The pawns get the worst and all the ringleaders have to do to live is kill the other. Why didn’t they lose something treasured like their leg, brain matter, or ankles like the others did? It’s so silly how it played out.
A Saw movie with medical professionals in the traps is a cool concept
So, the first one? Lol
@@ShukaHusk most of them arent doctors?
@@andrewliu6592 same with this movie
“medical professionals”
They're not medical professionals, that's the whole point
This saw movie is my favourite so far the plot, the character and the traps are awesome. John is always 1 step ahead.
I think the fact that people that didnt deserve being in a trap, but ended up there, was the plot in the later SAW films (4 - 7). Amanda was doing this and John knew and tasked the dude that cut his foot off in the first film to come after her.
Excitedly got to see Saw X early. I’ve been a Saw nut since I was 9. Definitely happy with the movie. Can’t wait for Saw 11. Totally left space for that.
I remember from one of the past movies a woman being forced to play one of John's games because she took antidepressants... It's good to see more hatable characters being put in these movies
Yeah, one dude was trapped just because he smoked. A lady died (imo) in the most horrific way in the series because she married a con man...and she didn't even know he was a con man.
@@fuzzycatbutts John needs a counsellor, the only problem is he'd definitely get sentenced to execution in the process of trying to find one
@@mageyplss 🤣
@@Elatenl Yeah man, that's what I was referencing. I felt so bad for that lady!
John in the first movie tasked zepp with killing John's family if gordon fails. Had Zepp not been overpowered, they would have died. So killing innocents is something John was doing since Saw 1
I'm a little pissed. Up until about a month ago I'd only seen the first saw movie and I watched through the entire series specifically to prep for this one and then my local theater decided not to even play it
I like the fact that there was no wasted dialogue
I like your commentary about Jigsaw's traps not being fair. It's a great way for this film to highlight the hypocrisy between Kramer's spoken ideals and what he actually does. We gotta remember he's a guy with a brain tumor and is dangerously unhinged. I think it fits that he doesn't give barely any time, because although he says everyone deserves a chance, I don't think he really believes that most of the time, it's just an out for him to rationalize his infernal deeds.
Charlie isn't pregnant and yet never fails to deliver.
For anyone wondering he gave it a 70%
Anyone who doesn't explicitly die on screen in a Saw movie generally lives and comes back in a later movie. Haven't seen this one but it sounds like the person who lives at the end may return.
Post credit scene was hype asf
yet another banger from charlie, i strive to rate games how he rates things
Hey Charlie! For the past two hours I’ve been putting a coat of polyurethane on my floor and I’ve just been letting your videos autoplay and it’s made this job go by so much faster. Thanks for making the time fly!
You're welcome doodle
I just came back from watching the movie (literally an hour ago), and I genuinely liked it a lot. My favorite of the series used to be Saw II, but Saw X is definitely my favorite now.
it was just so gooood !!!!!! i love ittt... i didnt watch the last couple ones cuz they got boring, but they made the story SO INTERESTING ! goshhhh i loved it so much
I watched Saw X and Paw Patrol 2 back to back yesterday because I thought it was funny how once again two violently opposite movies came out on the same day. I’ve never seen anything from either franchise before, but I still did it. I feel accomplished and very much less sane. Moral of the story: don’t do to yourself what I did.
I went and watched Saw while my wife took the kids to paw patrol😂
My father expressed it really well - Saw Patrol.
Tobin bale was Soo good in this movie! I couldn’t believe he was just 80 years old that man can act
There is a dream scene in Two and a Half Men where they were in the future at the theater and there was a poster for Saw 10. It was making fun of the series for having so many, at the time there was only like five of them.
I think this is the best route to go with the series at this point
Sweet grandpa John Kramer and his quirky adopted daughter Amanda putting terrible people in traps lo
The eye ripper trap to me is the most horrific traps that i ever seen.
I havent seen the movie (dont plan to either) and just from the name i dont wanna know more 😭
Saw has always been one of those franchises where you never expect much but you know what you are getting into.
And that's ok 👍
When that's 90% of the franchise low expectations that's kinda bad😂
It’s my head canon that after Saw X jigsaw was more generous with the time limits he gave victims. He was still feeling it out early in his career xD
Charlie idk what you're talking about every single saw movie one after the other gets better and better with each plot twist it's a cinematic masterpiece and i hope this series goes for 10 more movies
To your point about how they didn't have enough time. They actually did, yeah it's rough that they didn't have many extra seconds to deal with the stress, but the first girl did lose like 20 seconds before she started getting into action, the same as Matteo guy, who wasted half a minute before he started cutting his brains
People forget that John Kramer had Dr. Gordon kidnapped in the first movie for.....adultery? Which isnt a crime, Adam for being a......private photographer? And had Gordon's family held hostage at gun point for doing literally nothing. This shows Kramer orchestrated all this out of spite for Dr. Gordon for just telling him he had cancer, while clinging onto a pseudo moral lesson in order to justify his actions which made him seem he was doing God's work. In the 6th movie he literally put a person in one of the traps for being a smoker (its was designed by John, not Hoffman or Amanda). I like Saw and Saw 2 since he was portrayed like an unhinged, menacing serial killer who did have a point, but still utterly flawed, while in the third and onwards they switched gears and really wanted us to look at him as some sort of wise prophet, which always rubbed me the wrong way and completely dismissed the point of the original film.
5:12 I agree with you, but now that you mention it, I think it is some sort of metaphor to what he was dealing with. When it comes to his life, he didn’t have much TIME LEFT. So that’s why it was up to them to use their limited time wisely, even if it was only a few minutes, and start saving their life right away. You have to also remember John Kramers frustration with them is probably what made him give them that time limit as well.
Saw went from one of the best titles out there to the horror genre’s Fast and The Furious. Glad to hear this one’s better
I enjoy how this movie is much more character and story focused than most of the Saw franchise. I love the first 3 but I don't really care about the rest, Saw X was definitely the best since 3 and I had pretty low expectations. Overall it was pretty good, Tobin Bell was great and the first half of the movie was actually my favorite part.
I wish Charlie would still put out moist meters for games, even if it’s a bit late.
I liked it! Previous movies revolved more around the players, and started directly with the game, but this one is much more about John, which is pretty cool.
also the fact that 2 traps fail because you're waiting for something to happen. the people did the task but your waiting 15 seconds for something on jigsaws end
I’ve never seen any of the Saw movies and after hearing that this one is decent compared to some of the recent ones, I’m hyped to watch them someday.
Please note understand that at times it focuses way more on being torture p-n than being a psychological thriller (saw 3D especially)
1 and 2 are great starting points. From there, you can go to either 3 or 10 imo!
Original saw films, from the first one, had so many impossible traps. Even if they were possible, most of the traps were basically death sentences as soon you got on them, even if you escaped, you would die.
John always ensures the survival of those who succeed in there traps, its even illustrated in this movie with Gabriella. She passed and he immediately tells Amanda to get her to a hospital for treatment until they are interupted a little early by Sears, which was a free flowing part of his plan, once brought out into the room John even reiterated again that they needed to get Gabby to a hospital, she passed her test, she gets to live, but Cec kills her. In the later films, this wasn't an accident it was a PLOT POINT that his apprentices were twisting an already VERY warped world view even further, to the point, that Jigsaw set up contingency after contingency to ensure no apprentice could continue his work unless they did so as he seen fit.
“You refuse to recycle all your life. Now let’s see if you are recyclable” lol
saw X is the first movie I’ve seen in a theater in a couple years and I was high so that might’ve made me more forgiving, but it’s the first saw movie that has actively captivated me. The main plot and the side plot were both good imo which is something most of the films don’t have both of.
I'm not worried about the ending, we saw fans know that Amanda went back and didn't let all those bad deeds slide
exactly, like how she did to adam.
@@monoqhobia.A little different, she suffocated Adam as pity, she felt bad for him.
agreed, it had its issues and it's rather open ending was a bit confusing (though i assume this is setting up for a future Kramor orientated film) but for a modern saw movie? it was pretty damn good
Tbh the end was very surprising I didn't expect it
Be careful scamming elderly, it might be John Kramer 😂
Saw X was probably good. And i loved the idea of John Kramer being the main character. And i enjoyed quite alot
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I mean it makes sense for John to be the central point he basically is
Holy crap the Moist Meter, I haven't seen this in a long time. It's nice to see it back, and I hope to see MK1 on this
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@@LordTommyParkyVEVO pff, yeah you wish
Me waking up in a jigsaw trap after forgetting to return a library book on time:
I love how I just noticed the Gundam Exia box down there, love that suit