Do you need to use DDU when upgrading your GPU?
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- čas přidán 13. 04. 2022
- Do you need to use DDU when upgrading your GPU? Whether it's the same brand or switching from NVIDIA to AMD or even Intel. In this video I try my best to mess things up without using Display Driver Uninstaller to see if there's any instability, performance loss or other issues.
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As the developer of DDU I have to agree. DDU is a tool made mainly to fix problems that you *may* encounter when you are switching brand or update driver etc. It was not made specifically for using everytime or to give free FPS boost . The main 2 things that would happen when using it everytime is that you are sure to avoid *possible* conflict/corruption, name it, between driver version / brand and mostly recover disk space on your main drive. If you have a lot of drivers updates and never clean installed, you could have several wasted GBs from theses drivers. Bottom line, use DDU when you need it or if you want to recover some disk space of accumulated drivers. DDU is not mandatory to upgrade your drivers if everything's goes fine.
So I upgraded my 1060 6gb to a 3060 12gb and been having checkerboard artefacting but only on applications like Chrome and just recently Steam. Never happens while gaming. Should it then be a good idea to DDU? Cant really find many solutions.
@@rcsverige usually this seems to be a hardware issue, but at this point you have nothing to lose to try DDU in case it solve your problem.
@@Wagnard28 a hardware issue as in? I mean I wasnt having this issue prior to upgrading to a new gpu and monitor of which I now use for 1440p. Are you saying it could be a faulty GPU?
@@rcsverige yes I am thinking of a faulty GPU, you should try it in a other system.
Good info thx
bro gave the answer in under 17 seconds, without even an intro, 10000/10 we should all aspire to be like Robotech
I have watch a lot of CZcams videos on lots of topics and I must say yours was by far one of the best ones I have seen, this will be the first time ever I have left a positive comment on any video. The video was very clear straight to the point and well presented, and finally it gave me the information I was looking for without loads of waffle. Thank you.
Thanks for literally testing that and making a video about it, viewer count made me a bit sceptic but now watching all of it to the end i can say you make pretty good content and deserve more views :)
Rob, I've been looking a bit further backward in videos (I'm new to following this tech stuff on youtube), and found this a few days after I'd been debating using the DDU since i'm switching from nVidia to AMD, and I couldn't figure out why it was such an issue. So stumbling on this today was very helpful and what a pain it must have been to make. Thanks Dave
Did you do the switch without ddu then? Im about to switch from Asus rog strix 3080ti to Asrock phantom 7900xtx
@@ekims_fate3223 As it turns out, I wound up replacing an older nvidia card with a newer one, so other than downloading the current drivers (which wouldn't work with the old card), I didn't have to worry: the new card worked fine with the older drivers for the few minutes until I installed the current drivers.
Thank you.. I just got a recent gpu upgrade and seeing this gives me peace of mind when switching
Thanks for this very straight forward video. Haven't seen one of those in a while
great video! thank you so much. Now I'm trying my luck without DDU but will eventually use it if any problems come up :)
You’re amazing. I was stressing a little about replacing my gpu, I thought I was gonna have to use ddu and jump through all types of hurdles
Me to. I listened and now my system is messed up.
Smh. I stressed for days. Doing research for hours. When I saw the maker of DDU say it's only needed when there I'd a problem. Had me not stressing no more. I did the upgrade. Now my games won't play. Mouse won't keep moving. Like wow.
I’m changing from nvidia to amd after twenty years so wasn’t sure what to do, this video cleared up my questions thanks
what a huge amount work for a video. I can only hypothesize, that the presentation is some kind of project for credits toward graduating.
I love your idea. Is the decision more logical and reasonable.
Good man i was worried about doing the DDU stuff not knowing what to remove etc, since all the videos ive watched seem to use it. Thanks ill just install it so.
So how was it my friend? U switching nvidia to amd?
You deserve more views and likes from the amazing work you did for us. Thank you for using a scientific method for your proof.
Love your videos bud, great work. I recognise you from somewhere other than on here but can't place where...
Thank you for your work as a developer. Your software has been amazing. Know that you are much appreciated.
I found out that this video is very helpful. 100% recommended
Thx a lot sir, i was somehow paranoic about if i should use DDU or doesnt, but after all just doing a "clean" nvidia driver update always worked for me !
no need to search for issues, thx
¿No necesitabas usar DDU?
Porque entiendo que no debería haber problemas si es de la misma marca que una GTX 1650 a una RTX 4060 ti.
@@julius6916 if you change your GPU , i believe it'd be good to use DDU, but if you are only upgrading drivers on the SAME gpu, its pointless
I had to run it when upgrading from a 2070 Super to a 3080 TI last week. My games were just dropping frames all over making them completely unplayable. DDU has saved me quite a few times over the years but I only use it when I need to.
smooth sailing!
thank you for the information and entertainment!
Great video, Thank You for that!
Thanks Dude... much appreciated.
Thanks! Switching from 3060ti to 7900 xt, first time heard about DDU and, i guess i can forget about right away :)
Cool hat, by the way!
Did you use ddu when upgrading? Im doing that exact upgrade in a few days time. Curious how it turned out for you !
@@ReliveandRecreate No, i didn't use ddu. And it's all fine, didn't encounter any problems so far. Also two other things, i went with the Sapphire (a looong time ago i had HD 7770 from sapphire, hence the choice) and be warned 7900xt is hungry for power (i.e. electricity, Watts) without tweaks. But! AMD Adrenaline is a very good piece of software and gives you a lot of options for tweaking.
Great video, and thanks for all the hard work in testing!!! 👍
For reassurance cuz I got OCD lol, here's my situation.... Ok so I got me a new refurbished ASUS G10 that comes with a GTX 1660 Ti. I haven't turned the PC on yet. It should prompt me to setup Windows when I do turn it on though. I purchased a RTX 3060 Ti separately to replace the GTX 1660 Ti before I first turn the PC on.
My questions is.... would that that the best route in my situation.... Then I would of course install the Nvidia GeForce experience and drivers.
Great video!
Ive been upgrading PC things since the early 90's. Not much in the last decade though. Since before the internet its been recommended to remove old drivers first. I've done it both ways and both ways have always worked.
In the olden days of Windows XP, Vista, Seven--maybe, when the WDDM / Plug'n'Play wasn't very good. Nowadays, though, Windows 10/11 just don't give a rip what you do. Change from AMD to Intel, chop and change GPU Brands, the O/S doesn't care; it'll just download the basic drivers it needs off Windows Update to make the Card or Board useable, and then you get the proper drivers later.
A fresh windows install is always my first option lol, I get frustrated trying to diagnose issues and just find it the simplest and easiest solution to any major issues, that and reset cmos
Yep, that'll fix anything other than broken software/hardware 😆
Do i have to install fresh windows like you did in the video, To upgrade my same brand gpu@Robtech
Thanks for all the hard work on the video.
great video!
but what about moving to a different family and tier - let's say from a 3070 to a 4080?
thanks!
Actually after just going through a major headache switching from Nvidia (GTX 1660S) to AMD (RX 6700XT), I can say that using DDU is a good idea. The AMD RX 6700XT driver was very confused and kept choosing crazy refresh rates like 30 and even 24 on Crysis 3! Doom Eternal claimed that it needed a driver update even though I was running the latest driver! When I ignored the message, the game booted and stuttered like crazy! Ironically Rise of the Tomb Raider had no problems running whatsoever. I initially thought that the AMD drivers were just trash or something, but then I gave in and booted into safe mode. I pulled the internet connection, ran DDU, and cleaned all the drivers from both manufacturers. I reinstalled the AMD drivers and then reconnected the internet (which DDU tells you to do btw). Now Crysis runs in 60ish frames (which is normal on AMD) and Doom Eternal runs flawlessly. Before running DDU I did reinstall the GTX 1660S to find that everything still worked great so it seemed that just the AMD drivers had issues. I have in the past switched to better Nvidia GPUs several times without using DDU with no issues, so going from one manufacturer to the other may be where problems can pop up, and like me they can pop up only in certain games. So just do it. It may save you alot of trouble.
I would always DDU when switching from different manufacturers for sure. Same brand, nah. I just swapped my 2080ti with a 4070ti and everything was detected just fine. Was going to at the very least uninstall GeForce experience along with the drivers, but the 4070ti and the 2080ti use the same exact drivers. If I have issues benchmarking/using I'll fresh install but I doubt it as windows is pretty smart these days. It's kind of the same thing switching CPUs, you don't need to reinstall anything. Windows and AMD software pick it up just fine and the AMD drivers are the same for the desktop CPUs.
How’s the upgrade from a 1660s to that AMD card looking to also switch to team red for the time being
@@itsprod.472 Interesting that you should ask me that. I returned that card and went back to Nvidia because I had more problems with many driver features not working on games and that was because the drivers truly were broken. I ended up with a RTX 3060ti and haven't looked back. That being said the 6700XT was massively more powerful than the 1660S and a bit more powerful than even my 3060ti. Unfortunately the mini game that I had to play trying to get some older DX11 and DX9 games to run wasn't worth it. Plus as just a bonus the raytracing on the 3060ti is worlds better than the 6700XT if that's something you want to play around with and DLSS is almost black magic. AMD is gonna have to do much better than they're currently doing if they want my money again. I was all for supporting the underdog and deflating Nvidia's head a little bit especially after the 40 series mess, but Nvidia is still the best by a pretty big margin when it comes to driver stability, features, and running games in APIs lower than DX12 and Vulkan.
The reason they all recommend using DDU is to make sure theres no issues. As far as i know nobody is claiming issues will 100% occur if you dont do it with DDU. I personally had an issue while switching GPU though my test was on a w10 machine that didnt have an OS refresh or system cleanup for 5 years
Is it still required to use DDU if you are switching from Nvidia (GTX 1080) to Intel (Arc A-series) under Win 10 pro? Would going through Control Panel to uninstall all the installed Nividia drivers be good enough?
I upgraded my old rig I gave my son to an amd 1600af from intell 4460. After 5 restarts downloading stuff the pc became faster and stable. Windows 10 auto updates and fixes most issues. I think ddu is still usefull from win8 and lower. After 10 it's just a non issue.
I just recently upgraded my gpu from nvidia to amd. I just swapped the hardware out without any deep dive. Amd installed wouldn't turn on not until I swapped back and used ddu. Swapped back to amd and it turned on cept no display signal. Turned it all off and remove cmos and put it back after 5mins and everything ran smoothly to installed amd drivers.
I do think this video would've been more useful had you been switching between cards of the same brand of different architectures. Back when I upgraded from my 780ti to my 1080, the 1080 didn't output any display in Windows until I swapped back to the 780ti and removed the drivers.
Now that I'm going from a 1080 to a 3090, I'm trying to figure out whether this will cause the same issues.
Guess there's only one way to find out.
Any problem? i am planning to go from 1060 to 3060ti
@@nomercy471 when I booted back into Windows the only display that was working was the HDMI I had plugged into my integrated graphics and TV so that I could mirror my desktop. From there I uninstalled the driver, reinstalled it, and when I rebooted everything seemed to work fine.
i just went from a 1050ti to a 4060ti
I wonder if there's any potential issues when staying in the same brand, but switching to a new generation. I like to keep a clean system, but this is still very interesting. I have wondered about this, since it is possible to have three different brand GPUs in some of the new laptops, with an external GPU.
Didn't do it for this test, but I have done RTX 2060 to 3060 and the result was the same.
@@Robtech OK, very cool. Thanks for letting me know your findings. I'm thinking about upgrading my 1080ti to a 3080ti, and I might just skip DDU. I already create a clean installer, without telemetry, and other junk, and only have the driver, control panel, and HDMI driver, so it's not like there's a lot of bulk anyway.
@@TheCgOrion how do I recreate those steps you took? I'll be going from 1660 to 2060 in the next few days. Thanks in advance.
@@lucifermeowstar4604 If you are referring to a clean installer, I use NVCleaninstall. It allows you to create an installer package, or just pick and choose exactly what you want at that time. It also finds the most current driver on its own. If you already have a bunch of Nvidia stuff on your system, you might need to use DDU to remove everything first. I'm not sure about that. It's possible NVCleaninstall can do this, but I never had the stuff installed to check it out.
Ok so im going from a gtx 1660 super to a rtx 4060 will i have to use ddu are is it just a quick swapping process
if you have performance issues yes absolutely yes i switched 3600 to 5600x and rx 6600 to 66ooxt and had to do it twice, why twice F knows but its what worked.
hey. i'd like to know if i should use it if i'm upgrading from AMD integrated to AMD graphics card
Yes, because you can avoid annoying errors like nvlddmkm failures which can lock your system up.
I just switched from a 3080fe to 3080 ftw3 should I use ddu in that scenario?
do i need to use ddu if i dont have any dedicated graphics card previously
What if I dont use a fresh windows install for every GPU switch? Can I just shutdown swap em out and boot back up then install necessary drivers. NO FRESH WINDOWS INSTALL.
so many hours of work for a five minute video. You sir are the hero we don't deserve.
Informative! :) What's with the high pitched noise though?
As soon as I read the comment, I couldn't unhear it..... He probably doesn't edit with proper monitors or good headphones, so he didn't pick it up while putting his video together.
thx🙂
Make it more messy, start with older drivers and update over the top use say the last 15 drivers
I would like to share that you very much need to if you switch brands, went from 3080 to 7900 xtx and was having a TON of problems, until I randomly had the epiphany that maybe the old drivers were conflicting with my new card, used DDU to wipe the slate clean, reinstalled drivers, and no crashes.
What if im going to install a same Nvidia graphic card should i use DDU or just uninstall the previous card drivers manually from control panel and reinstall the one im putting in my pc ?
@@im_zerox6205 No same model card should be fine. Maybe you delete the old rgb software if the new card has rgb and you want to change it, sometimes rgb software can conflict with each other.
Wouldn't the fresh windows install remove the old drivers
I used DDU to switch my 4070 Ti back to my RX 6800 XT, after completing the process, my killer control center no longer works. I tried everything to get it working again, including Uninstaller and reinstalling it. Sadly I had no choice but to do a fresh install. This makes no sence to me, since killer control center was never included in the DDU process.
i keep getting stuttering when playing game, it is because i got bad driver or corupted driver? since switching nvdia to amd no problem
their's a high pich ring its so unbearable
Im going from 1660 to 2060 soon and never used ddu drivers before. My friend went from 2060 to 3070 and said he didn't use them at all. Is it mainly for people switching from amd to nvidia or just good rule of thumb to do with any upgrade?
from what i am understanding @lucifermeowstar4604 is that yes it is mainly only if your switching from one brand of video card to another brand of vid card. in my instance i decided to take the plunge yesterday and upgrade my 2060 strix to the 3060 x3 msi 12 gig ventus card. waiting for it to arrive today. if all goes well i will let you know. i realise my reply to you is 8 months late but ehh never hurts
@@mavendorf121
¿Cómo te fue? ¿Era necesario que usaras DDU? Dudo en usarlo con mi MSI GTX 1650 actual y cambiarlo por una MSI RTX 4060 ti.
so how did it go and did u use ddu or no?
@@mavendorf121
TY
What is that backround sound?
Going from a 3060ti to a 4070 super should I ddu or na
im upgrading from 1070 ti to 4070 ti. Should i use DDU or not ?
Do I need to use ddu when switching from Nivida to amd
What about if you go from Gigabyte to founder's edition? 2060 super gigabyte to 3070 ti founder's edition that is.
The point of the video is you don't need to use DDU at all unless you have GPU problems.
I swap from amd to nvdia. I have problem like black screen when playing video and games even open apps. My friends says you need to load windows again. I tried ddu no hopes. All I have to do is when On my pc I have to reinstall my NVIDIA gpu all the time
Does DDU actually do anything functionally different from device manager? If I do anything involving drivers that Windows doesn't cover automagically, it's pretty much through that.
It cleans up the registry files which is something that doesn't happen by simply deleting the drivers through the control panel or device manager.
@@goldiedan5567 Ah, so it's a registry cleaner. Sounds pretty useless.
@@Lazzil yeah it's mostly paranoia from when amd cards had little to no drivers available and took ages to catch up to nvidia. now they're on similar terms, ddu is almost worthless unless you're doing a brand swap and even then it doesn't really seem to be that much of a problem.
So if I upgraded from a 1650 to a 1070 I wont have to use ddu??
I have a question (maybe pointless after watching the video): I have an AMD APU (R3 2200G), and I want to add an RX 6600 (CPU bottleneck I know), do I need to use DDU? I can just plug in the GPU and download the latest drivers for the GPU right?
that should be fine
@@sollo209 thank you. I'll skip DDU and will only use it if I have any problems.
it's not essential but it can help
I've had driver issues across brands before
the less windows has to screw up the better :P
Were there performance issues, crashes or something else when it happened?
@@Robtech BSODs aplenty
I run it now as a matter of best practice, but I'm sure I don't need to do it every time I change the GPU or GPU brand
@@Robtech I used to get system freezes which were being caused by nvlddmkm. It was annoying, I used DDU and the issue still happened once or twice a week and eventually went away likely due to a windows update.
Hi. I have question Can I use DDU software if I don't have a processor with an integrated card ? If I remove my GPU drivers and don't have integrated graphics, what happens? Black Screen only ?
Basic Windows display driver. Same as when no driver is installed with a new GPU
@@Robtech THx for help
👍👍
I have a 3060 rn and my 4070 comes in tomorrow do I need to use DDU since it’s a new generation?
Nope absolutely not
Its only the cleaning type of extra work
Well I've had plenty of problems switching from nVidia to nVidia cards until using DDU, so for the most part I find this video to be an above mentioned "anecdotal advice".
may i ask what kind of issues you had?
@@xgetics for the most part crashing and weird artifacts on the screen
@@madeofnapalm i recently switched nvidia cards, been experiencing worse performance. i didn't uninstall drivers first, do you think ddu and reinstall could help?
@@xgetics I see no harm in trying, just follow the instructions and uninstall in safe mode. What was your old and new card?
Should i still ddu if i install a new gpu if my cpu has integrated graphics?
if you have a intel, you dont need using ddu, just leave it
@@AntiGrieferGames but i dont use intel, i use amd cpu
in 2009 i had a huge problem one of the old HD cards replacing a Nvidia card. I think the old software was different. Today's is much better at ensuring its products work. I swear to god the old installers used to sabotage the other brand. Thats what we all thought. Pure AMD, fine. Pure Nvidia, fine. But if you ever tried to switch, you were basically boobytrapped.
Beware. This video was wrong for me..
I upgraded from a 4070 to a 4070 ti super. My games will not play. Thanks for helping me ruin my system. I also went thur so msny comments researching to see what others was saying. The maker of DDU says to only use it if u have a problem. I say use it everytime.
In my case i shouldn't of had any problems. As you say. Nvidia to Nvidia same series. My games are so lagging. Thanks for the video that helped make my computer not work properly.
If I'm upgrading from a GTX 1650 to a RTX 3060 without using DDU can I just use the geforce experience to auto-detect and download 3060 drivers after installing new gpu? Will it detect and install new drivers or just stay the same game ready driver version that all gpus use on geforce experience?
It will detect the 3060 and allow you to install the new driver
Hey did the GeForce Experience automatically detect your new GPU?? Did it work out? I need to switch GPUs too (gtx1070 to rtx2080) and I'm getting really nervous
Some people only want the help. But dont know how to return the favor. Smh. When people ask questions, get an answer. But don't answer to the next person. I feel is so wrong. We are a community of people helping each other. That's what CZcams is for. Not sure why u didn't get your answer. I'm sure he was happy when he got his answer.
I upgraded my rx580 8gb oc to a 6600xt sapphire, I used ddu and rhe pc shuts down soon as it loads up, and that's after a fresh install of Windows, But the gpu i was told was bench marked for 3 hours with no issues, i just wanted sone extra performance, i have a ok bequeit 750w dark pro gold rated, soits not that, and i do know the gpu is gen 4 pcie and my mobo is gen 3, b450 pro asus, wouldn't it just run gen3 speeds and work, I give up in the end after 5 day's of Tring to get it to work, So so gutted for wasting money on a gpu that i know is fine but won't work in my pc, If anyone has any help id appreciate it loads as id love to get it working, i might even give the rx580 8gb oc to the person that helps get it working, Kool video tho man 💯👍
Gen 4 work fine in gen 3. Try uninstalling video drivers with your old card,, DDU or a Windows Reset/install at worst. If that doesn't work, could be a faulty GPU
@@Robtech yes i uninstalled all driver's with my old card then done a fresh install of Windows, used ddu then click swap out gpu on ddu, And still same problem,
But the card is fine 100% very odd
Thanks for your reply, I did get it working for 2 hours temos was fine all the way through, its definitely a driver issue but wiping it doesn't work, I really don't know what to do now
Okay, try an older driver. Keep going back until you find one that works.
@@Robtech yhh i need to try but it's literally took me a full day installing everything back on the pc, Im a sim racer, so hopefully i can do it without a fresh install
What kind of power supply do you have
What if you are upgrading from a Rzyen 5700g Apu to a Dedicated Nvidia Gpu ???
Unless you're getting crashes or GPU errors then no in every case.
@@Robtech thank you, I know stupid question since you basically say that in the video, but I'm installing gpu today and nervous lol
@@idigmusictoo1746 did you use ddu or plug install drivers and play ?
I have a question.
1. Which Graphics Card is the best for heavy gaming??? Nvidia GeForce or AMD Ryzen????
2. Is it good to have an antivirus software to be used to protect my PC or Laptop???
1. Every graphics cards has different performance and pricing. AMD and NVIDIA also focus on different aspects of graphics technology and have different features, so it's not an easy question to answer. But, I will say the RTX 3060Ti is probably the best value GPU at it's price and performance when comparing retail pricing.
2. Windows 10/11 has inbuilt virus protection, Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome browsers do as well. There is no need for third party software. They just slow down your PC and are a waste of money unless there's a specific security feature that you need, which isn't available in Windows Defender.
So, just like that. Uninstall the nvidia geforce drivers, switch graphic card with amd, boot and install amd drivers and good to go..
🤣 "for maximum cluster****" lol.
No u dont. no one does. but u can if you want. its like everything in life.
next up a video on: dobi need XYZ to do ABC
what windows is SUPPOSED to do and what is DOES is two different things !!!
Thanks!!!
To be fair, the documentation of DDU clearly states: only install if you have problems during normal uninstallation.
Entonces no sería necesario usar DDU al cambiar la GPU por una más nueva de la misma marca, por ejemplo la GTX 1650 a una RTX 4060. No deberías tener problemas con una instalación convencional o ¿qué te parece?
es para gente con toc,
"People on the internet don't know what they are talking about" - Some guy on the internet.
this is top 0.1% of youtube content
Step 1. Switch GPU
Step 2. Turn on PC
Does GPU fan spin? No? Check power and PCIe connection. Otherwise faulty GPU
GPU fan spins but no video? First step: make sure your monitor is plugged into the GPU. Too many people make the mistake of plugging it into the mobo.
No dice? Try DDU with your old GPU reinstalled. Otherwise try a clean windows install. If nothing works, might be a faulty port or worst case, faulty GPU
Hey why does my helpful comment getting deleted after a few seconds?
Ask CZcams. Isn't me.
Does anyone else hear a constant high pitch sound throughout this video?
yes
Nice must of taken ages. DDU maker is gonna be pissed.
Still has its uses for corrupted driver installs or when drivers refuse to install. I just couldn't replicate the switching between GPU problems mentioned.
I am not.
I followed your advice and after installing drivers I had low fps. I rebooted the pc in safe mode and used ddu and reinstalled the drivers and my fps problem was solved. This is not the first time I have had this problem. Just because you did not experience problems doesn't mean that others won't. I also had a problem going from two AMD cards from the same generation. You should really take this video down. You are going to get people that are building their first computer and or upgrading a pre built for the first time and they could have problems and not know it. It takes an extra 5 min to use ddu.
😂
@@Robtech What kind of response is that ?
@@nunyadambidniss It means that if you dont experience problems going from AMD to Nvidia and vice versa, you likely wont need to DDU the system.
Maybe i going to use ddu because you don't try series 900/1000 to series 2000/3000
I switched from 1070 to 3060 without DDU and no problems
@@sollo209 okay nice
My 6700 behaved very weirdly while switching from 1050ti, it worked by the end of the day. But it was horrible experience, I ended up buying a 3060 ti. Nvidia is very reliable.
i changed my card from amd to nvidia before using ddu did i mess up im freaking out