Every Relevant Endgame PvE Weapon Going Into The Final Shape (day 1 and more...)
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A lot of people were asking, so here's a list of every PvE weapon I think is relevant for consistency-focused endgame content (including contest mode raiding) going into The Final Shape. Note: this includes some unreleased weapons that are yet to be unveiled, so if you want to avoid spoilers, be aware of this!
Credit to u/OryxisDaddy_ and Fallout for some of the screenshots used here.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:23 Kinetic legendaries
08:50 Energy legendaries
16:47 Power legendaries
20:17 Exotics
29:02 Outro - Hry
Holy friggin moly is that the vog relic making a video
You and the Relic have been lost to time
Indeed it is
Kabr has really made himself busy ever since then, good for him.
@@Galaxy40kWho cares? It’s your hobby. Be happy lol people are in war rn
No Ballyhoo Mk.27 in the list? Unsub, dislike, report & You will hear from my lawyer soon
My ballyhoo will be in my lucky pants build, I have zorpal on it too
@@lady_legs1968lucky!!! Mine only has Rapid Shit since my zorpal one got FOMOed
How did I forget man
@@lady_legs1968zorpal is cracked bro everyone forgets it
Zorpal is my favorite perk 🥰
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Hello Dawn from the hit Nintendo series "pokemon"
On one hand, this video is a fantastic and comprehensive resource on what is actually worth chasing in the current sandbox of the game, and it's appreciated how you considered ease of obtaining instead of just strict optimums. But on the other hand, it revealed to me just how much of a no-life I am, as I already had every weapon other than the gambit shotgun. You can see my dilemma.
To be honest you're not necessarily that much of a no life, since we've had a 6+ month season and most of these weapons are fairly easy to obtain :P
Don't feel too bad about it, you're just... prepared!
Don't worry - I haven't played since Lightfall release and I managed to get god rolls on all but a couple weapons mentioned here. Even a cataphract (although not adept). I've only been back for 2 or 3 weeks, although I might just be lucky to have an active clan to do endgame stuff with. Into the light has been a great event for those hard-to-get rolls.
"created a shopping list tab in the publicly available spreadsheet"
I subbed fast af
thanks for doing the lords work 👊
Honorable mention to BXR-55 Demo+Incandescent is good choice as well
Yeah not bad but not enough room to mention that guy with how many good energy pulses we have (plus I think Heal Clip is much more important than Demo in the content I'm referencing)
@@TheAegisRelicyeah but that’s why it’s here in the comment section as an honorable mention, love your vids btw!
I happen to have Jurassic Green Heal Clip/Incandescent in the vault and people made fun of me for saving it WHO'S LAUGHING NOW
@@life-destiny1196exactly… plus Jurassic green has field test…. Mines got arrow head, tactical, heal clip, incandescent and a rl mw
Can get 100 reload
15:24 1 range goes crazy lol
LMAO I just noticed that
every time a new weapon frame gets revealed glaives die just a bit more
good
Ever since the damn Warlords ruin dungeon came out, I haven’t been able to get a single voltshot roll of Indebted Kindness
That's unlucky man. I've only played a handful of times and got beacon and volt first time and god roll sickle and the exotic so done with the dungeon. Fun though
@@shaunmacready701 I’ve gotten more armor than weapons, I even got a vengeful whisper with explosive head and hatchling before. Just recently I got a lead + surrounded one
Took me a solid 20+ drops just to get voltshot. And my 3rd column perk is offhand strike. I still don't get the hype for indebted because all my rolls suck LOL. I've had a LOT of luck with onslaught, pantheon, and trials rolls, so at least they're making it up to me somewhere.
@@yacobe_ I guess all of my luck went to lost sector legendaries and onslaught, I have every heliocentric roll that’s good, every onslaught weapon I have the god roll for or the shiny, and yet I can’t get a single voltshot ;^;
@@misfit1422 maybe all that effort will land us a god roll of the strand one early on 🙏
One thing to keep in mind, the one for thrall perk is able to refresh its duration while one for all requires you to hit 3 enemies after its duration is over. This essentially means you have 100% uptime on one for thrall which is ABSURD. Genuinely gonna be my kinetic slot version of sunshot next season
big if true, do you know where this was mentioned?
@@life-destiny1196 mentioned nowhere. Content creators that got early access tested it out such as Maven
Something to note for prismatic 1-2 punch builds (combination blow on hunter), you should run Swordbreaker over Wastelander for increased darkness transcendence energy as the melee will be light energy and the most common, so supplementing it with a darkness energy is better than a kinetic energy gun
Good point!
How are you gonna do Combination Blow on Prismatic? You're not gonna have Lethal Current to refresh your dodge cooldown, so keeping up Combination Blow is gonna be harder.
@@roomba4520combination blow refreshes dodge cooldown. Lethal current makes your punch jolt after dodge and blind jolted targets, it has nothing to do with dodge cooldown
@@thatguyyouhate3743 well, I seem to have been wrong then. Thanks for correcting me
minor point but worth noting that lightweight shotguns are broken right now and don't provide the lightweight frame bonus to movement or +20 mobility. not a huge deal, but still annoying that you're getting less ammo and not even getting the frame perk
Weird compliment it, I appreciate you enunciate every weapon name well. Subbed.
You've been pumping the quality content the past few days and are detailed and diligent in your explanations. We appreciate your hard work! Looking forward to your final shape musings. Don't forget to have fun and enjoy it yourself, you've certainly earned it.
Thank you!
i saw you working on those sheets :D
thanks for the hard work!
Reminder that Song of Flame makes Kinetic weapons apply scorch on hits. Outbreak might become an ignition monster.
Does that apply just to the warlock, or to team mates as well?
@@VanpyroGaming0 Buffs nearby teammates too
@@elgermin519 0_0 Dragon's Breath + Ember of Ashes + Ember of Eruption + Bait and Switch Supremacy = deeps
depending on how quickly different archetypes apply stacks, Necrochasm gonna be very happy while that super's up too
Holy moly. Thank you so much. I’m bout to come back to Destiny on Sunday when I get back home from work for my leave. And I’m almost 80% done with the checklist since I’m a vet player. All I have been missing is just the brave weapons. I knew you were gonna do a “TFS prep guide” and honestly this is sooooo much better than what other CCs made. Thanks a bunch dude. Good luck to you and everyone in the raid day one bro
You are the best D2 YTer rn man. This content is *chefs kiss*
I really appreciate this coming out with a few days left to still farm 🙏
Just wanted to say that getting back into Destiny has been more fun with your content. The game began to get so stale after years of playing and although I’m never going to be speedrun, it’s fun learning how to be a true endgame player with your vids! Keep it up!
I’ve been subbed a little longer but I’ve been watching a lot recently I think you content has really had a positive impact on my gameplay trying to come back to the game after a couple months always feels like a chore figuring out what’s been added or buffed/nerfed and it helps me figure out what I should prioritise (I get everything anyway but it’s nice to know where I should start) just in time to be day one ready
Glad to hear it!
13:04 I’ve been watching your stuff for a while now and you ALWAYS call it “base-oh ostinato” and it kills me inside everytime. I’m a musician and it’s “bah-so” like a sheep saying baah. “Bah-so ostinato” since the origins of the word is Italian it’s not like saying “he plays the electric bass” that sounds like base, but bah-so.
Thanks! Will keep that in mind haha I'm glad you pointed it out
So does that make this comment "based" or "bahh-sed?"
_(I'll see myself out)_
@@RTB1400 bahsed. as in bahston.
Adhortative is such a great pulse. Much respect, Sir.
Amazing vid man
Aegis cured my depression again (Adept)
Depression (Harrowed)
(Time well spent)
I was on the fence about getting the Necrochasm ornament because I want sure how good Necro would be, but your endorsement might’ve pushed me over the edge lol. Thanks for the great work man, I love the fact that I came across you
Glad you're enjoying the content!
Supercluster is quite good for a kinetic slot slug shotty. The thing that held it back was it being strand. Since kinetics no longer do more damage, Supercluster is pretty good for DPS. It doesn't have recombination, but it does have reconstruction/FTTC/Lead From Gold + Vorpal/Surrounded/Cascade Point which would make it better than Herritage if you're using it as more of a rotation/sustained damage option
Yeah the only bad thing is that it's a slug and slugs aren't super great atm but besides that it's pretty good
We all may have some old favorites that we’ll use, but the reality is that we will mostly be using new weapons with new perks. There’s a reason Bungie has made it super easy to get most weapons the last couple months. They kept us grinding and engaged to get the “necessary” weapons. Unless players are going into the raid right at the beginning, the old weapons just don’t matter that much and people shouldn’t freak out over having or not having them.
Another Aegis upload 🙌
Note while getting the new Ikelos SG is going to require the exotic mission or Xur, if your a long time returning player, the Y1 version can just be pulled from collections
Hot damn im glad i subscribed!!!
Until it Return is a great shotgun. You did recco as an alternate to heritage. But great legendary 4th horseman replacement. Most of my loadouts usually steal from speedruns, but always nice to see what else is out there.
Adhortative mentioned 🗣️🗣️🗣️ one of my favorite pulses ever
There was also a leaked Heavy Burst Arc Pulse Rifle in the season pass. So a legendary Revision Zero. Very excited to try that one out too. Still Hunt + Nighthawk + Cascade Edge is going to go crazy 😂 i do feel like with the Lament nerfs and sword artifact mods that there will be a sword dps encounter in the raid
You should preface this with spoiler alert for the people who care
and in typical bungie fashion the tracking on lament probably still isn't fixed, and it won't have it's nerfs walked back at all once the season/episode ends
Not a spoiler. Was broadcasted by Bungie themselves.
I actually think the Still Hunt quest might be *required* before we can do the raid. We have to complete the "Wild Card" exotic quest to qualify (which sounds a bit Cayde-y) and Still Hunt's perk is called "Cayde's Retribution" which is obviously very Cayde-y.
Its definitely going to be an issue for the day 1 though if its not disabled. Basically an absolute requirement for day 1 and even if its released after someone beats it like lament, people can and will go do the quest so they can comeback and curb stomp any dps phase
I'm pretty sure that it is safe to assume that the vex gold weapons will not be available as they were shown in the episode (season) pass and the episode is starting AFTER the day 1 raid is over. So don't count on any of those weapons for day 1 builds.
Great vid. Enhanced controlled burst doesnt doing anything at the moment aside giving your gun icon a gold border. Just something that maybe should be mentioned the next time scatter signal or other CB guns pop up
I appreciate the disclaimer about the raid and echo weapons that got leaked
:)
Bro is putting out bangers before final shape
still hunt will probably come out before the raid, since the quest you need for the raid is called wild card , one thing there is no new linear type for next season they just changed the name of the burst gun
If you still have one, the curated Ringing Nail is still top tier, and with all weapons being unsunset, having dragonfly on an auto is gonna be great.
My heal clip/incandescent Adept Summoner has been carrying me pretty hard lately, ember of benevolence + sol invictus (with Phoenix Cradle) is pretty crazy ability regen and the dps (vs minors) is pretty good even at -20 power deltas.
The vex themed weapons are episode weapons i think, so they might not be available until a week after launch
I’m for sure taking heartshadow into the day one, with all the sword and weaken artifact mods I think it’ll be a sleeper pick.
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perfect timing thanks
Collective obligation with the pulse rifle buff is gonna go hard on void builds
Holy adhortative is finally getting recognition
Thank you my 🐐
The 'out of luck' joke got me 😂
Crazy how much smgs have been surpassed
Good it's boring using the same dam thing for years on end.
Yeah they are truly in the dirt atm
sucks cause my favorite weapons are subs
Hey Aegis! Love the content man. Have you looked into Ward of Dawn changes with the pellet shotgun changes and no back up plans? With no more armor of light, dropping Ward will now proc no back up plans with the void overshield (which still stacks with surges). Pellet shotguns, including Acrius, are also getting a 10% buff. With access to weaken grenades, youre looking at a 184% increase on Foundry with trench. I've got a build for it and I'm hoping it works well in TFS. Just a heads up!
No Backup Plans already got proc'd by Ward of Dawn iirc
Appreciate the list TY! I think that surges mattered a lot for things like pantheon so people should definitely save the best rolls of meta power weapon archetypes in all the energy types...I think that thunderlord belongs on the list - even if you find it distasteful. IMO the super energy refund must be broken because it is too crazy in certain activities. polaris lance and buried bloodline were also noticeably missing from your list. I am an agers scepter enjoyer and feel like that gun is underrated.
What are you thoughts on a crafted the other half with enhanced surrounded as a falling guillotine substitute?, I was under the impression adaptives were better then vortex frames for damage.
I will compare them soonish
@@TheAegisRelic the sword comparison question seems to be coming up a lot in the comments, any chance you could leave a pinned answer after testing? (Thanks for the video 🎉)
I will make a video or short about it :)
@@TheAegisRelic appreciated 👍
19:40 Doesn't Goldtusk outpace falling due to ammo constraints of vortex's? Of course the main variable being dmg phase length?
Yeah but Goldtusk takes like 45s+ to dump all of its ammo so yes its total damage is good but its DPS is quite low
Can't wait to get my hands on no hesitation.
Explosive payload is a must have considering overload handcannons are significantly more effective with it
Yeah good shout
Great vid
Appreciate you pointing out both the accessible and not as accessible options for weapons. Also is there a plan to make a video regarding what loadouts your team is planning to bring into day 1?
Yep!
Definitely interested in the falling guillotine dps testing as I’ve have like 6 in my vault and not sure what’s a sleeper and what isn’t.
Frenzy/Bait and Frenzy/Surrounded
6:01 It's worth noting that once you have One Small Step unlocked for farming, you can get the kills done in literally like, 1 minute by TPing to the altars or something - I highly recommend even casual players go get an auto-loading/lead + 1-2p roll, its super super accessible, maybe the most accessible farm in the game for a single gun. Also personally, I think the look is great with the right shader.
Yeah it was super easy to farm, I had to get like 50 of them though :D
Lol I'm on roll #200ish and the best I've gotten is slideshot / 1-2 punch. Good enough for now.
Question, is there any reason why you don't bring up "The Eremite" when talking about a tractor support dps role? You included Scatter and Royal executioner in that section I just wanted to know if it isn't as good anymore. Thank you.
From another comment: "I've talked about this in some previous tier list updates but basically high impact fusions have good total damage (but not enough to make them outshine actually good total damage weapons like FTTC snipers) and have decent DPS (but not enough to make them better than good rapids), so The Eremite kind of struggles to find a place to live. If you value total damage you should use another weapon type, if you value consistency but decent DPS then you should use a rapid/adaptive/etc., and if you want the ability to deal with majors you certainly shouldn't use a high-impact frame."
Babe wake up aegis posted a new video
as a new player this vid definitely felt like it was more towards max players/prep
a lot of weapons listed without mentioning where to get them or what role that weapon plays as
Apologies, but I didn't want to make the video incredibly long :P
If you want more details, you can see where to get each weapon and what role they fill in the sheet I linked in the description :)
An underrated pick is Final Warning. Does comparable DPS to warden’s law lucky pants with the half charge technique. On top of that it’s getting effected by the sidearm buffs too
It's not bad, I'll definitely test it after TFS drops :P
Actually got the god roll forbearance on one of my first few pantheons runs. Its great
Would like to see this for players who likely have every weapon in its best form available to them. All weapons craftable, sleeper world drops, etc
Largely the same, just substitute certain accessible weapons for their better versions (like Dead Weight -> IKELOS_SG_V1.0.3)
Chris proctor mentioned in an interview that truth is getting a buff - might be worth checking out
Will test
Indebted kindness with permeability is awesome btw. I use it on my void builds and solar builds
I think it's kind of a waste of a perk column imo (as we could just get a void rocket sidearm) but I see why people use it
Could you make a build viability video regarding the final shape raid? Like what builds you guys are thinking of taking into the raid etc
Yep yep yep coming soon
@@TheAegisRelic sweet thanks
With the quest that be have to complete to enter the raid being called "Wild card" i find it hard to believe the cayde themed exotic wouldnt be the one we will get from it tbh
Really good vid man , I think ur kinda forgetting conditional finality
I wouldn't take it into a day 1 for the most part
@@TheAegisRelic just saying , i loved it for crota (champions stuns etc)
I remember when I did seraph shield the first time in the rotator and got a one two punch grave robber roll
I was really hoping the new stasis two burst hc could replace warden, but the perk rolls on it are much more ad clear oriented, so was a bit disappointed lol. Guess I’ll be glued to malfeasance
Thank you I hope you stretch and it feels really nice
u said about "new adaptive burst linear" but we already have this linears, its just quolity of life change to all frames to specify how much shots they do, so its the same as briars and etc, cuz agressive will be name of 4 burst, so they chage it to adaptive cuz its 3 burst
Ah makes sense, thanks!
I think it's going a bit unnoticed, but as a honorable mention, Elsie's Rifle also has some potential for TFS. At least for the first Episode and if the new raid will have Anti-Barriers. With it being Anti-barrier Pulse Rifle and the 20% damage buff it can be a pretty strong Anti-barrier contender with it having Armor Piercing, Under-Over, and a damage perk like Frenzy with it also having the option of double perks you can get Repulsor Brace or Rewind Rounds for more general use. The Origin trait is neat I guess too. It's unfortunate that Frenzy is really it's best 4th column perk with nothing else that could be used in general uses.
It was mentioned I believe, it's good for void builds! :)
honestly i can’t play the game without aegis’ guide. it’s just too good😂
If you aren't lucky enough to get both, should you prioritize cascade or envious on edge transfer? Obviously you can get one of each but which one should you expect to use most.
Depends what your doing with it if your doing a damage rotation with other weapons I would say cascade if you just want to dump everything in one go envious
Envious overall
Wouldn't Other Half with enhanced surrounded outperform Falling Guillotine? Its also a void option. I don't quite understand the Falling Guillotine recommendation looking at the numbers from your spreadsheets.
I do not think so atm but I'll check
There were a few great alternatives that you missed like undercurrent which will get enhanced traits along with the other nightfall specific weapons
I don't think that's really a standout imo
I think with my supremacy I'm gonna stick with rewind rounds and fourth times cause I just love the feeling off holding down the trigger constantly but if it needs to be done I will switch the bait
The MOMENT I tab out to click this video the Cascade/Env BnS Edge Transit drops into my inventory, I shit you not
Do you think the best dps setup for a non-whisper boss will be izi edge then? That would probably have a tougher ammo economy compared to rockets. Cascade point seems sus when auto-reloads come from dashing or dodging in a well, so would you just use lunafactions? It also seems like izi might be worse than supremacy given the need for total damage
Has better ammo econ vs. rockets in terms of ammo distribution and not needing Gjally
great vid, cataphract can roll cascade btw, i got an adept one w envious cascade 17:07
Doesn't come in 3rd col
The unsunset void Trophy Hunter aggressive sniper with Vorpal is great for Edge Transit
So this is my first day1 and expansion release I'll be doing as I started mid defiance and you seem like the right person to ask. What should I be looking out for during preparation and gameplay of a contest mode raid? What makes contest so different to a normal mode raid (and master mode, though I'll admit I haven't done one of those yet)?
I'll make more day 1 videos soon! But the biggest difference is the amount of coordination and pressure present in the activity, it's like nothing else in Destiny for the rest of your playtime
Alright sick, looking forth to it. Thanks for teaching me a lot more about endgame content and tech man, it's been really interesting.
Still hunt will likely come out before the day one as it seems to be from pathfinder
But the best melee's and grenades is Light damage so that is where most light progress comes from so where is the dark damage weapons? Might have overlooked that one and I know kinetic fills both at a REDUCED rate.
Pro tip for some reason bungie is droppin hints that Truth is apprently going to be a good pick for the raid for some reason
void rocket + reserves buffed twice + damage buffed to match normal rockets. I can see it.
Literally the day after they announced the kinetic dmg changes I got a envious/fourthtimes + Firing line Irukandji
Now I can just have the tremors supremacy.
There's currently no reason to use heavy attack on a vortex frame, right? Aside from add clear via Chain Reaction, or shatterskating for ones that have Eager Edge. DPS barely changes, total goes way down, right?
Yep!
Throne cleaver for titans does more total damage I highly recommend that. It’s really good if you have the right perks but also it does need surrounded to be proced
Yeah it's Surrounded-exclusive unfortunately
isn't the strand sidearm exotic Final Warning the highest primary dps after lucky pants? There has been some new tech where you do the burst as small as possible to then get more shots in with extra crit damage
Yeah it's pretty good I'll probably test it next season
Is the damage from retrofit escapade with the chunk of damage you said you wanted to recalculate or without it? Bc 100k DPS is much more than I expected. Also, I think a lot of people like me have some OG weapons like martyr's retribution (ALH+Demo/LfG) or kindled orchid (Ramp+KC) inside the vault, they have very good perks, and without the power cap on sunsetted weapons I think they would be a very good choice.
Calculated with it
I just want to put it as a reminder here
For lucky pants malfeasance, majority of us were worried abt the kinetic damage nerf but the more i think abt it the more i realize the truth of the situation,
Heavy weapons directly lost 7%dmg due to removal of boss spec and kinetic primaries like wardens or malf lost 10%(boss only) making it a 10+7% dmg nerf for wardens and a 10%nerf for malf, but hcs are getting a 5 dmg buff to make up for the spec loss while heavies dont get that, which at the end makes it only a 12%nerf for wardens, 5% nerf for malf and a 7%nerf for heavies, this ends up making malfeasance, compared to heavies slightly better than now, considering malf on blighted has much higher dmg than wardens this just makes lucky pants + malf have a spot better than ever in the meta unless youre running double special for dmg(or still hunt is just gonna out do wardens and malf so there is no point to running lp)
As soon as i putted this out i noticed the 5% dmg buff to hcs is red bars only so sad yeehaw
Whirlwind blade is maxed on a single heavy attack with guillotine and does the same damage as B&S now. And doesn't need to be primed with other weapons. However if its total damage with shotguns, B&S is better.
That's sick
What is the damage and dps differences between Levi’s Breath, Sleeper, and Whisper? I think those will be the 3 options if hitscan/long range is needed
Whisper sweeps the other two but you can check in my spreadsheet
The Last Word is the only hand cannon you need. Served me right all the way from D1. If you need more than 8 shots you need to train more. You don't need nothing fancy like those laser guns
Bro only plays base strikes or pvp
@@eliot58 Beat near every raid with this big iron son. Only ever loved one gun. Not something you new generation of guardians would understand. Even brought it through the Pantheon with those lucky pants
honestly this comment is incredibly entertaining coming from EdibleRockingChair
Aegis i saw llama recomend the same a while back and i have the same question as then if you are only shooting fathers sins once alongside izi to get cascade why not just use frozen orbit with vorpal, rpm wont matter since its only one shot and handling can be resolved through various means like luna well
You can indeed use Frozen Orbit, I was going to modify the rotation next season but I don't have a good Frozen Orbit as of now
I know you do lots of numbers and breakdowns but I’d love to hear your thoughts on classes and and viability per class and your opinion on best class etc
Next season!
@@TheAegisRelic thanks man. Trying to get into speed running