Diesel Fuel Pump Troubleshooting. A Day in the Diesel Engine Shop.
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- čas přidán 7. 02. 2021
- In this video we are troubleshooting a Cat 3208 Diesel Fuel System and an engine for a Crank No Start condition. Thanks for watching. Questions can be sent to AdeptApe@yahoo.com and that the same username on PayPal if you would like to support the channel. Check out the following Amazon Affiliate links to help support the channel by buying stuff you need anyway. Fluke Magnet Strap: amzn.to/3cUK5QH LOADpro: amzn.to/3rFqnN3 Fluke 87 Multimeter: amzn.to/2MLRPd7 Remote Starter Switch: amzn.to/3p3TnMw
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Just ordered the load pro by your link. Been looking to buy it for awhile!
Thank you so much. It doesn't cost you anything extra, but helps the channel out.
@@AdeptApe do you know much about the 3013 3cyl engine? was it decent? there's a core available here for $200, doesn't look like a rod is through the block
@Zaid Hank You and your hand most likely
Ahhh.... It just needed more Cosby sauce...
"What does this smell like to you?"
Yes, the compression test in a can.
The kinda sauce that makes it all huggy buggy. 😏
THE FUCKIN LEGEND HIMSELF
Cosby in a can!
The picture after the valve flys out of the fuel shutoff valve housing was great. 🤣
I didn't stage it either, but figured it should stay in the video.
I saw it coming... It's happened to me enough times.. now where did it go!!
Nice to see so many frequent uploads from this channel. Awsome content and very informative👌.
Thank you. I'm trying to get them out.
As a tech as well, I love seeing all the little neat tricks and tips you have to offer on you channel. Appreciate all your hard work you put into your videos.
"Verifying the problem" is just a nice way to say idiot checking
Fantastic vid. I'll probably re-watch this sometime if my friends and I run into this problem. We've had an issue on a bus where it takes forever to start. It does eventually start, but it's becoming a pain. The humor thrown in here made this video twice as great to watch.
Thank you. Check the timing on your pump if it is hard starting, might be off.
@@AdeptApe Okay will do, thanks!
Great video, & I LUV the Destruction!
Love your videos been hoping for 3208 for a while that’s what we have in our boat thanks for all the info
Awesome video, love watching these. I have the same engine in the same truck. Real love hate relationship. A few years back we had starting issues with it. Sometimes it would fire right up. Sometimes it would crank and crank and crank before it'd start. After chasing our tail around the truck we found the fuel pickup tube in the tank had cracked at the top of the tank. Which was letting air be drawn into the fuel system. Now if I could get that coolant leak fixed...
Ah yes the ever elusive cherry flavored diesel
Looking at the intake dirt build up, I think it qualified as off road driving all the time!
@@timtripp4222 I’m guessing since it’s that dirty it’s seen lots of dust and the filter has been blown out a few too many times
Hope he doesn't get the old tank dipstick, hellva fine.
@@cmkm54 if it’s a state hwy truck then they use red fuel and I bet it is
State isn’t gonna tax itself lol
@@charlesuplifted5216 you know, I never considered that.
Thank you for the sling blade reference, when you showed the fuel tank I said to myself “it ain’t got no gas in it” in my best Carl voice. Then when you threw it out there I did laughing.
Great informative video with humour!👍👍
Love whe you tubers use that clip. "Aint got no gas in it" 😂😂
Love to watch these vids on my lunch break
Excepting more special tools usage.❤❤💐💐👏👏👏👏
Thank you sir for this video. Very informative. I have two unit of this 3208 in my inventory and still running. =}
Thanks. Good troubleshooting.
I'm going out on a limb to predict ether the plungers have seized in the pump elements from water entry or one of the fuel metering sleeve control links has cracked locking the rack linkage in the shut down position. If it failed to start after sitting a longe time likely number one, if it was running and failed at re start number 2. Both very common faults on 3208 sleeve metering fuel pumps but not the inline type on 3204, 3304, 3306. Agree with your trouble shooting methodology, simple stuff first, starting with no smoke no fuel. You get a bit of fuel from the cracked injector lines on crank becase the injector pump elements are still displacing fuel but not enough to overcome the nozzle VOP. Let us know what you found.👍 Cheers mate 🍻
Great stuff
Will look forward to see if that 3208 runs very good! That is a dusted engine if I've ever seen one! Great videos!!
The Load Pro is awsome!
nice video Mr. Josh wish you all the best
Thank you Mohammad.
That's exactly my actual problem on my old 3408 generator . Fuel Pressure rise up , but , as I unscrewed ALL ( 8 ) tubes , nothing come by their end . Don't have fuel shutoff solenoid on the pump's head .
So , can't wait your next video to see what you will find !
probably one of the pumps stuck in no fuel. those are sleeve metered pumps your 3408 should be a scroll
@@richardcranium5839👍 absolutey what I thinking about after readed many docs about this pump ... I will let you know when I 'll take time to work on the engine ....soon .
I watch ads for you.
You are a true fan, thank you.
Good video.
I love these, you are funny asf
Some years ago we had an apprentice fitting the same style of fuel tank on new trucks found out he had a bad habit of occasionally dropping the delivery red dust caps into the tanks result when the fuel level was low the dust cap could occasionally attach to the pick up pipe stopping fuel flow engine stops cap would fall of coursed a lot of pain 👺
I know a guy that had a 5 ton truck with a 5.9 cummins in it.. had the same problem.. but it would only happen on one particular stretch of road.. those are tough problems to find
I had a similar problem with rust buildup on the bottom of the fuel tank/in the fuel lines of an IH684.. would lose fuel pressure/power.. had to take the whole fuel system apart and backflush it
Cat v8 always a good vid
Brrrrr....too cold for me. Wow a simple Cat. Nooooo I have a Heui fuel pump to keep me awake at night. Another great video from the master of Cat Diesels. I look forward each week for your videos. Always something new. And...as an old retired Electronics guy...I will attest that you DO know how to troubleshoot electronics.
Thank you Larry. Your HEUI pump costs and 1/3 the cost of one of these pumps, so rest easy. It's supposed to be about 2 degrees "here" the next couple days.
@@AdeptApe ouch. Was 77 here today. Take care and stay safe.
Sup adept i am a cat mechanic from Jamaica dont have many hours in the firld like u tho i learn alot from i recently call the work on a 3126b its in a 322c excavator with all 6 injectors code saying other failure mode i check power and ground al the wires from Ecm to injector wire harness all good so i make the call on the ecm thats its bad
Love my load pro ... But yea your video with using the test light to load the circuit while the DVOM was connected was legit.. Who ever didn't understand the idea behind what you did can't troubleshoot electrical lol
It's just a simple way to load test the circuit, not sure why do many people didn't get it.
I’m gonna need the part number for that snap on bucket. Thanks.
Yeah water in the filter gives it away. Any little bit of water in a 3208 pump the plungers like to stick. Them pumps are pretty simple to rebuild though.
Hey Adept Ape, nice detailed video. My 3208 has a pop and bang as well as a fuel leak somewhere around my fuel pump. Is there any common issues with these symptoms that your aware of? I think its the stop chamber in the fuel pump but don't wont to jump ahead of myself.
I love the trouble shooting videos
Send it into Cat fuel room to be rebuilt! Oh, sorry I do not work there any more, retired! Use to build them all the time!! But good video!
I've got a feeling that in the next few weeks a few of those top kicks are gonna get pulled into the weigh stations to get their tanks dipped. Lol
“I swear officer it’s just marvel mystery oil”
@@mitchheine6878"I know what that is you dirty dirty tax dodger!"
@@YourDeformedGod gotta keep them injection pumps lubed up and minty fresh! ;)
If it has a farm sticker, it can use red fuel.
@@mikekahl5609 idk where you live but in Nebraska red is not allowed on highways, farm plates or not
Everybody has a opinion,till they do the work..✌️👍😎
Thanks Josh for another amazing and informative video.
White filters suck on Cats. Anything than cat yellow sucks.
I agree.
That's crazy dirty!
Enjoy watching you videos! Could you do one on your opinion of putting cat filters on pickup trucks like the duramax and cummins engines? I watched your video about the filters but I was just curious to what your thoughts were on this.
Wish I could see a video like this for my Allis Chalmers 5040 diesel tractor.
You should look into testing fuelox..very interesting product..
Helpful hint, if you ever need to remove the injection pump gear on a 3208 weld a 13mm socket onto a plate and pull the bolts in . Actually I think it was 10mm it’s been a long time
Cat has a tool and you use two 1/4 NC bolts. Tighten the nut up in the front and it pops the gear off.
Red off road diesel, mounds of dirt in the valley... And intake! Definately a farm truck!
Our boom truck is a top kick 91' ...we make the same joke about van Damm or Segal movies.. can't forget chuck norris.
Don't know how many people know def is water and cat pee. Pete and repeat on the dusty engine. I watched it both time though. Stay safe.
I have a question about a 3406e 1lw 475 it cranks n starts fine only gets 18psi of boost wen goin down road with cruise runs fine but wen u deactivate cruise n use foot pedal its sputters for bout 10sec den pics back up have replaced main fuel line fuel line from primary filter to fuel pump then from fuel pump to secondary filter n from ecm plate to head any ideas on wat problem maybe
couple gallons 15w40 in the fuel should fix er right up lol
That's an astounding amount of dirt in the intake ports!
I just vacuumed it out today and started putting the reman pump on. The valley had more dirt than I noticed before. It was about 2" of solid dirt I had to scoop out. Not sure how that happens.
@@AdeptApe I'm curious to see how this one turns out, appreciate all the great content over the years!
Enjoyed your trouble shooting. Experience noted! Tis a sad day to see a neglected Cat. Glad you have all your fingers. Occupational hazard. Be safe. Dogs, man's best friend. Now if they could just wench.......
You want your dog to wench? Maybe if the could wrench they could help you.
I've always wondered how much more advanced humans would be with 4 hands (with 4 arms). I saw your dog in video & thought how nice its would be if they could help you. That's all.
Good
Looks like a case of ‘Death By Owner’.
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Had a similar cat engine(can't remember which) play up like this checked stop solenoid and fuel pump banjo guaze but it still ended up being the fuel pump. I couldn't believe the drive gear to the fuel pump isn't even keyed, its just like 15lbft on a taper. Makes me wonder if they slip sometimes and just do this. Idk, just swapped pumps and sent old one for reman.
P pumped cummins 5.9's aren't keyed either, but they're installed at 140 ft lbs and still slip sometimes
If this is the injector pump, I'd love to know what's wrong internally.. to not get fuel on all cylinders must be something mechanical
I watched your other video☺️
You are one of the few true fans.
Wow, not even 2 hrs ago I was stuck road side with a truck that had a crank no start
I am having starting problems with a 3208 CAT, starting with easy start but not on it's own, trying to find glow plugs or heating element but can't see them anywhere, DOES IT HAVE THEM ?
put a pump on a dusted engine lmao check for the filter on the frame next to the tank everyone misses that one also
Thats an old beast. We got an old Ford 800 that still has that style of shifter/transmission
I've seen a forum post that describes that particular shifter. Wish I could find it again because I've forgotten already how it works exactly.
@@SOU6900 It's an Fuller RT6613 13 speed. First three in low then flip up to intermediate go back to first then run it for five then high for five. I have one in my International.
@@robertcirincione6099 Ok so was there an 18 speed version as well?
@@SOU6900 No not that I know of with that knob. The RT6613 was a intermediate transmission for smaller trucks. Uses a 14 inch clutch. Eaton had a three speed air operated rear end that used a similar knob.
@@robertcirincione6099 that 3 speed was actually tandem rears both with 2 speeds the interaxle diff was made so it wouldnt lock in. low both were in low high was both in high intermediate was one in low one in high. weird setup but it worked all the ones i worked on was electric over air.
Does CAT make the pressure gauges you use or are they rebranded? Also are they only available though CAT? I’ve been looking for some good quality gauges for a while now and have found it difficult to source those gauges.
As far as I know they are legitimate Cat. I bought them from my old dealership and have them in about 5 different pressure ranges. They are really nice gauges, are they the absolute best out there, probably not. There is probably some Swiss made, magnetic field gauges out there that cost a fortune, but these work great.
What was the outcome? Was it a clogged fuel injector?
I'm surprised they brought something that old to a cat dealer.
cuz no one else knows how to work on them all us old farts have retired. try to find someone to do a detroit or a 9liter ih that knows what they are doing. lots of pretenders out there
@@richardcranium5839 first time I've heard Richard Cranium in a long time lol
aaah the old chrome biscut shifter knob
Back in the day dang near everything had a Cat 3208 except paw paw John Deere , use to be a saying nothing runs like Deere with a Cat on it's ass 😜
I need help where is the transfer pump? Is it the block mounted on the back of the head ? I have no return fuel coming out from a freshly rebuilt injection pump runs then dies
3208
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Did it run after a new or fixed pump?
There sure are lots of school buses in your lot. I was the shop foreman at meridian school district a few years ago.
Those steel tanks are the prime suspect on those older trucks..
Dude.
Adept ape.
Been watching u for years.
Yet REALLY coming into your own.
U are a hell of a man.
Wish more were like you.
Keep it up.
I quit mechanics for a while.
Weed farmer is much nicer profession.
Higher pay cap too!
Which is total freaking
BS!
Thank you, I really appreciate your comment.
Hey no double dipping on the destruction of the week!!! Lmao
No rules here.
I really wanted to see it fire up 🙁👍
I had a similar problem some time ago
Did replace the high pressure pump fix it
Judging by the fuel in the valley, My guess is the throttle shaft seal had failed and was sucking air in the pump.
The mechanicals are the best. My Top kick has the worst legroom I have ever seen in a rig. Just miserable in it.
Love to have a V8 Cat.
Why do VE pumps wear the shaft on an angle so quickly?
Apparently Miss alignment...
But in my case I think the housing was out or the bearings that were made to suit the pump were... As the pump that came off prior to a new pump going on did not fail in the same fashion... It failed with the Cam self destructing and fragmenting through the pump. Not great.
I watched these videos two or three times each, I just keep my mouth shut so I can hear better.
Are you going to show the fix
That set up reminded me of the old 7.3L Ford used
Thanks for the video
Yes both are HEUI systems, developed by Cat and licensed to international harvester for use on the powerstrokes it designed for Ford.
@@jaydunbar7538 I think he's talking about the 7.3 IDI which had an injection pump in the valley
@@Raise986 yes I am talking about the old school system
@@stevenkietzke5582 that was a stanadyne pump. the engine was made by I.H. big brother of the earlier 6.9L
I would wash the heads with kerosene change the oil and mix some ATF in with the fuel once the high pressure pump was installed
Another awesome video Josh thank you. I seldom get to leave comment but I catch them all. What do you think about the low sulfur diesel really doing harm to the old style mechanical fuel injection pump? I hear without the lubricity of the sulfur it really takes it’s toll on those older style pumps such as the one you have here
That was a very big concern when those fuels were coming out initially back in the 2000's. I would say trim my experience it hasn't damaged them as much as many people thought it would. I'm sure it hasn't helped them though and perhaps someone that is much better educated on the subject could chime in with some information.
If it was that long for the fuel filter, when was the oil last changed 😂
Probably a farm truck, that old of filter may only have a few thousand miles on it. My old cabover had 15k miles on the overhaul that had been done nearly 4 years prior to me buying it from the farmer. Not saying its a good thing to do, it supposed to be done yearly regardless if the milage interval is met, but I can't say I'm not guilty of it on vehicles that see limited use. "I'll get to it"
Probably in 2017
What I've noticed here in Oklahoma is that people change the oil but not fuel filters at the same time. They'll wait until it's running bad to change fuel filters.
Cant find the link for the Load Pro......good job on the diagnosis....
Change the dam fuel Filter on it and clean the water separator out and it will Fire right up 😎
he did that did you watch the video.
@3:18 always check for fuel. I've made that mistake diagnosing a customer's truck they said they had fuel. After a long ass time couldn't figure out why I wasn't getting fuel. Turns out the customer is cheap and runs their truck constantly on E 🤦🏾 you live and you learn.
Wish I knew more about the history of it "not starting".. Was it a cold morning where it wouldn't start but started fine yesterday? Driving along, died, and wouldn't restart? Sat since 2017 and now it won't start? All these things are important when you're troubleshooting
Like they would tell the mechanic that much.
@@badgerpa9 Oh, they would,.. but they'd probably lie
My tractor turns over but won't start bled the system can't get fuel into the injector lines to bleed it. Any ideas
My 3306 c has problems with the injection pump solenoid enough that I keep a spare one but most of the time the problem is simply loose wires at the solenoid.
So, did another pump fix it ?
I need this video but on a john deere 4045. That was a mouse nest yuk
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A few more hours on that engine and they'll be able to drill for oil in the intake runners.
Did the pump fix it ?
No maintenance for years. Hey, it won't start, can you fix it?
Check out the booth diesel bleeder
Josh, what have you heard and what do you know about DFI in diesel engines (ducted fuel injection). Just came across this idea. It sounds like the idea has been around a few years.
Never heard of it, not going to lie. Might have to look it up.
@@AdeptApe You might find it quite interesting, I know I did.
Are you talking direct fuel injected, gasoline ?
@@Yeti573 ,,, are you talking, direct fuel injection, gasoline ?
@@rolandtamaccio3285 Nope, its actually called ducted fuel injection. It's the exact same concept as a bunsen burner. You'll have to look it up on CZcams, its worth watching.
Did you vacuum out the dirt? 3208 we had the non turbo ones in some old pan's.
I did my best to vacuum the intakes and valley out. Put the intake manifold in the parts washer.
i hated those fuel/water seperators. had more of them suck air than didnt especially in cold weather. with a frozen line that hand pump would pull serious vacuum and suck itself in. those throttle shafts would wear in the back housing woudnt leak but wouldnt idle stall and hard starting. i had more than one pump slip on the gear throwing itself out of time. its just a taper lock and torque bolt.
Interesting name you have there. They are quite the different design, with a metal clip the only thing holding them on it's weird they worked at all.
I take the darn thing off and put a spin on primary filter. Had a customer several years ago with a 3208 in a motor home. Had to raise the bed to change fuel filters. I took all that off, routed fuel line to a compartment on the side. Put primary, secondary, hand pump and put a bleed hose down below compartment.