WDG4G Locomotive of INDIA VS GEU40 Locomotive of PAKISTAN | GE Transportation
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2021
- you're going to watch the complete basic specifications, facts and general information about 2 best locomotives of GE Transportation USA,
one of the locomotive WDG4G is now part of Indian Railways and other locomotive GEU40 is now part of Pakistan Railways,
both are 4500 Horsepower locomotives and equipped with Gevo12 4stroke Diesel turbocharged V12 Evolution series prime mover, both has UIC standard of emission control, 6 traction motors are attached to both locomotives, these locomotives are being used in India and Pakistan for freight train operations,
I explored the basic facts regarding the specification of these locomotives and also tell you which is best between the 2,
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Idiot he never told indian engine works on electricity 🤣🤣.. childish comparison kiya koi faaltu engine se !! WAG12 12OOO HP KA NAAM HI NAHI
@@irshadkhan437 Have some respect. Fahem is a very knowledgeable person. He has compared the 2 diesel locomotives.
The fact are true but the comparison between pakistan railway best and superior locomotive that pak railway with the India old oldest locomotive Engine its not fair there so many superior and best engine are like WDG-6G WAG 9 and WAG12 this is not only locomotive in there are so many latest locomotive... kindly request hai aap se aap pakistani railway ke No1 engine aur india 5 position wale eninge compare karne isko..yeh pta jis aap acchebs woh dikna chte hai..aur indian railways WAP engine jo sirf passanger ke hota WAD jo goods train ke liye hota hai..
Great video sir love it
WDG4 is for freight train and WDP4 is for passenger
Now world 6 rank locomotive from made in india is WAG 12 which is around 12000HP
Yes I Have Saw Videos In Blue Paint
Ye wdg4g hai .....WDG4 hhp wala hai...jo single cab hai 12 ki series me , dual cab 70 ki series me
@@shubhsingh4905 Well Said
They compared with 1980 locomotives which india used in past.
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Good analysis. Both are very good models by GE, but operating conditions are different. In India, close to 75% of route length is electrified which is probably why fuel tank capacity and range is less. Also, turntables are rare in India and many have been dismantled after phase-out of steam locomotives. Dual cab is therefore the norm in India. WDG4G is a pure freight locomotive which was proposed to be used on the Dedicated Freight corridor for hauling double stack containers. Hence max speed of 100 kmph. However, this route is now being electrified with high-mount catenary and long pantographs. Therefore WDG4G may also become redundant in a few years when 100% electrification is completed in India.
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Good piece of information! 👍
Not correct, we need heavy engines on tighter curves and gradients to avoid wheelspin. They will continue in service for the next 30+ years.
Excellent comparison and detailed information!
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o im such a big fan pak railography
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आपने अच्छा compare किया।
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You mis understood some of the terms, like braking power & axel load, axel load for Locomotives should be high, which makes them stable on rails, low axel weight is considered good for rolling stocks but its opposite for Locomotives.
Higher axel weight has less wheel slippage and more tractive effort so a heavy Locomotive can pull longer loads, india has longer trains than Pakistan so we see WDG4G to be havier than GEU-40 also condition of the railway line decides designed axel load for a Locomotive. So there is no pass fail between WDG4G & GEU-40 regarding axel loads, even if we consider the fact then AC6000 weights about 192 tons? Obviously GEU-40 & WDG4G aren't that good as of AC6000.
Also the difference in braking powers of GEU & WDG are due to the loads which they are going to pull, in Pakistan small loads, less braking power as compared to India.
To me there is no such difference between WDG & GEU except dual cabs, rest is same to same, also their max permissible speeds are same.
Happy to see good information shared by you for railfans of both countries, thumbs up!
You are right. But India restricted WDG-4G at 100kmph. May be beacuse of track conditions or there maybe a difference of gear ratio between WDG-4G and GEU-40.
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@@RailCaptures-byGKP there is difference of gear ratio which generates more tractive effort, and in the process of increasing tractive effort, we always loose speed. indian railways don't care much about speeds for freight trains as of now, their more focus is on haulage capacity of the locomotives. Even our wag12b having bo-bo + bo-bo bogie configuration with 12000hp is restricted to 100-110 kmph, because speed is not needed as the average speed of freight trains on DFC Corridors is going to be around 80 kmph
@@shirishsalunkhe9374 All freight hauling locos of Indian Railways are having max operational speed of 100 Kmph, BUT WAG-12B is an exception in this case, it is certified for operating speed of 120 Kmph. And also upcoming 9000Hp variant of "WAG-9HH" are also expected to have an operational speed of 120 Kmph. These both locos WAG-12B & WAG-9HH are specially made to operate on DFC & its feeder routes. IR is planning to gradually upgrade freight wagons so that they can run at 120 kmph with full load on DFC. As of now upgrading the wagons is not on priority though, as with opening of DFC itself has helped freight trains to maintain an average speed of 90-95kmph; with 120 kmph upgradation the average speed of freight trains will go upto 110 kmph atleast!
@@RailCaptures-byGKP for now as per what my uncle said, wag-12b is restricted to 100kmph and sometimes 110 in some sections, yes i know the certified speed is 120kmph but that will be increased gradually
Indian railway ke sabhi locomotive 700 meter lambi double stack container freight Train leker chalte he
India me good engine aur express train ka engine alag alag hota hai
GEU40 is a dual purpose locomotive hauling both passengers and freight trains,while WDG4G is a Freight only locomotive..This is the reason GEU40 is a lighter and a faster locomotive.
The diesel tank in WDG4G is kept smaller to reduce weight and also Indian Railways has Diesel refueling facilities at all major stations..
In future priority for IR is to shift all locomotives to Electric Traction and Diesel locomotives would be used in limited numbers..
The once now being made in India have a different configuration custom suited for various Railway Zones..
In India many drivers have been complaining against use for single cabin diesel locomotives which has a restrictive view ahead and is a challenge to operate at high speeds. Hence in future all diesel locos will be build with dual cabin. Thanks for posting the video.
For eg wdp/g - 4d and wdg-4g
WDG4G Locomotive is now Made in India.With Technology transfer.
@Ammaanullah Jutt no ka matlab kiya....
@Ammaanullah Jutt No bro abhi India may ban rahi haa...Indian govt has ordered 800 Engines first 40-50 ware not made in India. Avhi to 200 k karib engine ban chuka ha India may...
super great video sir 😍😍😍
Thank you brother
Bharat mai ek locomotive hai WAG- 12 jo 12k hp ki taakat ke saath duniya ka sabse Power full engine hai
Bhai WAG 12 locomotive pure pakistan ko kheench lega
Less axle load doesn't mean it will have wheel slip issues ? I heard an Indian railways engineer saying they prefer heavier locomotives for freight for the same reason.
Sir,
Although you may find speciation of GEU 40 better than WDG -4G. But GEU 40 has generalised specification & they r not ment for Goods loco.
Per axial load of load defines the tractive load of loco which defines practical power of loco as the wheel should not slip while pulling the load. A loco with less Horse power can have better tractive effort. If WDG -4G and GEU- 40 connected back to back and they pull each other then net result movement will be towards direction of WDG - 4G due to higher per axial load. This is also achieved by changing gear ratios. The gear ratio calculation is as per indian railway standards
Secondly goods loco r not defined to run more than speed limit of 100 kmph as double rake carriage van are used. Here average speed of Loco matters and this is achieved with dedicated freight corridor. Higher speed of load can lead to fall of load.
Third in GEU- 40 higher fuel tank tank used to increase weight of loco.. 6000 ltr capacity of WDG- 4G is sufficient for one run.
Hence the result is clear that WDG-4G is better and they meet all world standard and specifications.
For better information u can see videos of loco motive that why indian railways has given tender to manufacture WDG-4G even though india will achive 100% railway electrification by 2023.
Fourth if compair design of GEC-40 with WDG-4G. GEC-40 had a old retro look with a bump on short hood side ( An orthodox colour which is used throughout generations) but WDG-4G has a new colour full design with dual cab has brand new look.
Here in India for fright we also have electic loco of 12000 HP.
U can review all loco of Indian railways. Here we are also manufacturing loco and rake for other countries and exporting them.
We welcome you if u come to India. U will find all locomotive 🚂 in India quite interesting.
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Wdg12 is the most powerful Indian locomotive......12000hp
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I will do a Review of that loco soon
Bro not Wdg12 it's WAG 12b hai
@@SitesandSounds make it soon pleasee
Its not WDG12 its WAG12
@@satenderkumar6286 Wag12b
WAG9, WAG9HH,WAG11,WAG12B,WAP7,WAP5 AND WDG6 in all indian locomotive are 6000 to 12000 hours power engines.
Its an agreement for manufacturing 1000 locomotives out of which 700 4500HP and 300 nos of 6000 HP single cab to completed by 2028.
One of the best deal India has ever done....as per my POV
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@@SitesandSounds nope wag 9 deal was best
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I don't think IR prioritises diesel engines anymore. IR has already electrified 65% of it's route length.
Majority of the hauling is done by wag 9 and wag 12.
I think these engines were procured for the fringe lines.
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Comparison best kiya h, aap jaise padhe likhe log he kuch badlav la sakte ho pakistan m, pakistani youngsters ko in sabhi m dhyan dena jarrori h
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GEU40 designed for mix service while WDG4 only for freight trains .
By 2024 IR will have 90% electrified tracks , india has already WAG12 electric loco ( 12000HP) and working on 18000 HP electric loco .
You doing good job for railway crazes .
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Indian railway bought WDG4G for fright train only and for DFC 2 haul double stack containers trains and it us also 4 stroke engine which reduce 50% less pollution then conventional 2 stroke diesel locomotives.
Outstanding as Usual Faheem Bhai. Hats of for your effort :)
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Recently india introduce his own engine for dffcil track they are more powerful than wdg& g40
Very beautiful video faheem bhai...love from Okara♥️
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Amazing, Fantastic & Very Informative
Video Faheem Bhai, Learnt a Lot🥰🥰🥰
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Great video, I was under the impression that they were the same locomotive with some minor changes. Very informative
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Being a rail fan, I find your videos very interesting and informative, specially on Pakistan Railways. For this video i really appreciate your unbiased opinion. Keep making this kind of videos.
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Thanks for this Authentic information Great ❤️ Video 📹
Thank you very much brother for these information's we are Proud of you
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Interesting but in my opinion, you missed one significant point .. procurement cost per engine paid by both IR and PR.. if IR and PR paid more or less the same price, then PR got a better deal.. If IR paid significantly less, then IR engine is a better value for money
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@@SitesandSounds Indian railway also purchase its technology along with the locomotive so that they can manufacture more locomotive in India and in future they can export to South Asian, middle East and in African countries.
indian railway might having definitely got a bang for the buck because of bulk orders + technology transfer also
6:58 look at indian beast wag 9 (green color) 🤩🤩🤩
Can you make a detail vdo on it ? ..
Nehle pe bada waala dehla accha hua kahi wag 12 nai dikha
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Very nice and excellent comparison faheem Bhai, many more expected
Thank you sir
Inshallah zror
Next target is
DFC & WAP12
It is a good companion video.
Folks, it is a comparison of two locomotives , not railways. As a Pakistani I think Indian Railways may be superior in many aspects than Pakistani Railways.
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Masha Allah 👍 buhut achi report pesh ki aap ne.💗
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Excellent video wah kya comparison kiya Dil kush kita phajee
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Great Information Brother 😊
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Thanks for this video
One more thanks to our Pakistani people for a wise decision in procuring these engine from GE .
Don't purchase Chinese engine and waste money after all it is public money .
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the most important difference between two is one made by
India but we do not have technology to build locomotives
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Bhot ala...🤗🤗love u from India 🇳🇪
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In the end uncle sam had the last laugh
You are absolutely right. You see Uncle Sam is the only person to laugh because they are good in everything in respect to engineering, the only countries that know how to make this tech are USA EU Russia Japan that’s it. Other countries have learnt from them. Their is no need to reinvent the wheel, but importing units in whole for an entire fleet is bad idea. Indians imported some units to know the latest technology which might takes 10 years for us to develop ourselves.
Plz make video on wag12
Plz make video
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@@SitesandSounds thank you ❤🙏 sir
Very good quality video and truly narrated facts
Thumps up 👌👌👍👍👍
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Zabardast Information Faheem Bhai 😍🌹
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Freight locos are designed for low end torque to pull goods wagons
whereas passenger locos are designed for acceleration and speed. They have high end torque.
So India has different locos for freight and passenger trains
India had experimented long back locos which can be used for freight as well as passenger trains. But it had limitations.
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Next comparison wdg6G vs Geu40
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Very nice information.🌹👍
Also make a comparison video of HGMU-30 with IR's EMD's.
Inshallah
I frequently see your Videos.Very good analysis at each and Every time. Love from🇮🇳
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Nice researched. Excellent video Fahim sir.
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Excellent video despite no English subtitles for the commentary. I believe Indian Railways only had the first few built in the USA and the rest were built under licence in India? PR had the entire 9000 class built in the USA? Both fairly equal in power/performance data, however I would go with the WDG4G for dual cab convenience. Thanks Faheem.
40 nos were made in USA and rest 660 will be made in India
PR entire fleet of 55 nos of locomotives were made in USA
Thank you sir
@@SitesandSounds ye sab band honewala hai aur jo band honewala hai tum uska compare kar rahe ho 🤔🤣😁
WDG4G is a goods train engine while GEU40 is for mixed use.
You are the 1st pakistani youtuber i subscribed. Very nice content you have.
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Wow!!! Amazing topic to discuss....
Actually both of these ES43ACI(geu40) and ES43ACMI(wdg4g) are actually derived from GE ES44AC, which is actually a 192T locomotive which produces 890KN...
But sir according to my information is that actually strength of a locomotive is measured by starting tractive effort (STE) not on continous tractive effort(CTE),
Geu40 produces 500KN, and wdg4g produces 544KN, so as per that wdg4g can pull more load than geu40 initially... Here in IR wdg4g is currently pulling 4800-5000T loaded coal trains at 90-100kmph speed at WDFC and EDFC...
But on the other hand geu40 can pull upto only 4500 tons, but main advantages is that geu40 lighter in weight and can go upto 120kmph and have better tank capacity.... So my conclusion is for load wdg4g is better, for better speed and long distances geu40 is better than wdg4g...
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Agreed
I think it is due to our rail operational psychology not a technical point to pull 4500 tons. When power output is same then GEU can go for 5000 tons. Simply in india passenger rake go by 22 to 25 coaches but here 18 nd max 20 so GEU is not inefficient rather it is our rail operations
@@naeemliaquat39I appreciate your knowledge, but for your kind information, the power output doesn't decide the load pulling capacity...the actual load pulling capacity is decided by tractive effort... Geu40 produces 500KN and wdg4g have 544KN, which means 44KN extra which means wdg4g can pull more load than geu40 and dynamic braking of wdg4g is 272KN and geu40 has 250KN, which means load pulling and better acceleration wdg4g is better but for speed geu40 is better as it has 120kmph top speed....
For example a 4000hp American locomotive produces 800KN tractive effort, where as an European electric of 8600hp locomotive produces only 300KN... Which means American 4000hp locomotive can pull 2-3 times than 8600hp e loco...
And in PR due to short loop lines maximum freight wagons can be accomodate is 40-45 wagons... Which means around 3500-3800tons... which is still less for geu40... In short geu40 is under utilised, due to short loop lines
@@naeemliaquat39 geu40 and wdg4g are frieght locomotives, so it's doesn't depends on number of passenger coaches pulled, wdg4g is not at all used passenger train, ...and secondly I never said that geu40 is inefficient, it's one of the best locomotive to have... geu40 is made PR condition, and wdg4g is made for IR condition, so the top speed and tractive effort is different for both locomotives even though their power output is same...
Thank you for interesting information. Yes you are right GEU is under utilized. Your GE is same family and slight modifications. Keep growing
I think Pakistan should have bought more GE locomotives instead of Chinese locomotives
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Yes.. All chinese Loco in Pakistan are failed and scraped in Rawalpindi shed
The rulers in Pakistan like with the Gandhi family deal in Commision.
Easier to get commission from Chjbay
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Nice information
Thank you for this video. While India negotiated for a tech transfer and most of the locomotives will be made in India, Pakistan imported all of the ones in ready state from US. Pakistan should have negotiated a tech transfer so they could be manufactured in future when demand increases.
Also why are these powerful beasts used for passenger haul? It's being under utilized. It's true value if for freight services. Anyways, great informative video bhai.
Thank you sir
TOT is best option and INDIA did very well, $2.5B project is a one of the big project for GE....and that big project opened the door for India to build GE locomotive by their own hands,
PR dont have much money to invest in locomotive,s and GE will not transfer its technology on just these smaller orders,
Lacking of passenger train locomotives is one of the main reason....that's why GEU40 is being used with Express trains
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Amazing below faheem Bhai
Wag 12 is the most powerful engine of India 12000 hp... After 2-3 yrs.. Indian Railways will stop using diesel engine.. 60-70℅ route has been electrified
@@Nontouristicindia12err yes
MashaAllah very nice and excellent video, comprehensive review look excellent..... Faheem stay safe and healthy dear.
Thank you sir
Hoping next video will come very soon
Geu universal locomotive he our
wdg4g only goods k ley he
(wide gauge diesel goods) name se zahir he
but bohat hi achi information thi faheem bhai.
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Bro geu 40 bhi freight ky liye hi hai due to loco kam hai Pakistan ky pass so isiliye geu 40 ko lgaya jata passenger mein
Indias top Diesel locomotive is not wdg4g it is Wdg6g which is also called has Angad. Horse power of this locomotive is 6000. Comparing with GEU40 its HP is 4500
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Excellent video.
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Zaberdast faheem bhi👍
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Make video on Indian electric engines
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Inshallah
I will
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You had made a series of all Pakistani locomotives
You should make a series on Indian locomotives too.
AND you should review WAG 12 , WAP 5 and WAP 7
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Excellent. Well researched.
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Great work faheem Bhai
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Most passenger services will be converted to electric traction, WDG4G and WDG6G will be used for future freight needs along with WAG9 and WAG12.
Good luck from India.
Keep making unbiased videos.
Excellent comparison between the two locos, and yes the differences are minor and almost inconsequential. But one glaring difference even apart from the dual cab is about the extra 2000 liter tank in the GEU40 compared to the G4G.. that makes a difference in everyday operations but maybe IR would shrug it off saying “electrification of tracks” so Diesel engines not really required, so maybe this is just like a backup. Bhai, hum Indians kisi de bhi kaam chala lete hain, woh aadat ho chuki hai, so maybe this was what even IR would have thought. Great, informative video, enjoyable!!.
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The main purpose of wdg4g to have just 6300 litres was to lower the axle loads... for EDFC and WDFC it's okay can have better fuel capacity and can exceed upto 25tons per axle, but other tracks of IR is limited to 22.5 to 23tons... So keeping that in mind they lowered the fuel capacity to 6300 litres...
@@nabarunbiswas7462 oh ok, thanks, didn’t know this. Are the EDFC and WDFC actually generating any revenue for IR?.
@@sunboat800 currently both the DFC are partially operational, not at full potential... based on that, yes it is generating revenue... don't know the exact amount...
@@nabarunbiswas7462 ok, thanks for the info.. nice to hear that IR is finally sinking it’s money into something really useful.
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Excellent Video & very interesting information about GEU 40 and WDG 4G
W = wide means broad gauge
D = Diesal powered
G = Goods train locomotive i. e pulling power is more and speed acceleration is slow (if it is P which is passenger locomotive speed acceleration is high )
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Now I can understand the naming conventions of other locos aswell like WAP-5 and WAG etc.
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Tell me what is A stand for WAG or WAP
@Ajith Kumar Nair A stands for AC (Alternative Current)
Right O you won !!!
Excellent informative video!
The big difference between two deals in my opinion is India’s successful bid to get the technology ! Indian always get the technology and we Pakistani get secret kickbacks!!
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Agreed
Great information and analysis 👍🏻
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Wah Faheem Bhai Zbrdst Maloomat
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Very interesting and informative video. Keep it up. Why Pakistan railways did not add condition of transfer of technology in this agreement to build these engines in Pakistan like India did?? Any news regarding refurbishment of ZCU and DPU? Ya in engines ko bhool jain?
Because of very smaller order
Only $400Million project infront of $2.5billion of Indian Railways,
TOT is must required but GE will not handover to us easily against these small orders......that's what my POV is..
DPU are no more...not part of any meetings
and ZCU case us very different and ridiculous too....PR did not announced it publicly regarding the current conditions of these locomotives, whom to blame?.... are these really substandard locomotives or we didn't maintained it accordingly....that's why they are just pulling out the spares from grounded locos to keep them rolling on track.... shameful
@@SitesandSoundsDPU and ZCU engines are sub standard and examples of curroption. HGMU engines are older but a good quality engines and our railway staff still manage to run these. I think sub standard of the engines is the main issue
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GMU
HGMU
AGE
RGE
HBU
PHA
all are working pretty good just because these aren't Chinese junk
There are many misleading info.. First of all this engine doesn't run all over the India.. And most powerful engine of India is wag 12 .. And in 2-3 yrs ir will stop using diesel engine.. All route will be electrified..
Would love to see more of these comparison videos 👍
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kya bat hai faheem bhai
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Very interesting information 👍
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Wah, kia bat h faheem bhai. Zabardast information. Kisi b rail fan k lie most inspiring video. Thank u very much faheem bhai. God bless u ever.
Buht shukria bhai jan
Nice video, aise hi video bnaya kro 👌
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Thanks for the info......
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Informative vedio
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very informative 👍👍