Lost Ark Jump Start Servers Are Not Enough
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- čas přidán 25. 09. 2023
- Lost Ark jump start servers are here, so let's discuss what's good, bad, and ultimately what is necessary for the game moving forward from 2023 into 2024.
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Small update for info: Shortly after making this video Amazon announced they are targeting a 3 month window for the jump start server merge. As for the video itself, this does largely not effect my overall opinions and concerns, but 3 months is better than 6.
its less but, still a lot of time, and considering the starving of mats being even worse in the js i feel like a lot of people will park characters and just continue honing once the servers merge again
I think one of the things that the game need is a practice mode for legion raids. Not knowing the fight is one of the biggest problem of the new and the returning players. I left out when vykas come out and is hard to learn the new raids like the clown or brelzhasa. Maybe a solo practice mode will be nice for the community
a kr player actuallly braught this up for valtan like having it in trixion in i think was 2022 winter loa on SG just laughed it off so i dont think it will happen
meh, they just need to introduce an easier raid that can be soloed with less rewards, problem solved. Helps people to get good for the real raid, plus not everyone has the time to do a long ahh raid with failures in between. But they just don't get the idea somehow with a fking proper team.
Good insights. My hope is that jump start servers are just an experiment and they can be iterated on in time. Something like black desert season server would be interesting for new players. Issues can be fixed in time with feedback like yours.
Bdo season servers are great, but for something like that they would need to have mega servers in Lost Ark for players to freely be able to move between them. Honestly, that's probably something they should eventually work towards doing anyway. Individualized servers doesn't really mean much in a game with a cross server shared LFG/auction and channels you can swap in and out of. Bdo didn't have mega servers at its release and was able to implement them later, so hopefully sometime smilegate and amazon can manage it as well.
@@GraveTheory I had a friend reroll a while back because of being on a different server from launch. Megaserver would definitely be a great add. Would like to see NAE and NAW combined.
@@newlegendaryloot Had to have a discussion with my friends at launch about which of the two we were going to play on since we are all in different NA timezones. I would have preferred a single centralized server rather than the NAE/NAW split.
6:14-6:35 so fucking this. I cannot even imagine doing yorn cooking again
You are correct, a year ago i said we need to implement the same solutions you gave in the forums and was pretty much called a clown, i would also like to add that the amount of homework needs to be reduced drastically and this would alleviate the gatekeeping considerably, if people is done with their homework faster that means they dont need to be as efficient and can afford to waste a bit more time helping less experienced or weaker players.
As is tradition with AGS, this whole thing isnt realy thought through.
They either have to go full in on seasons, like Black Desert, so people stay on the season servers instead of going to to their old oens after a week.
Or they make them exlusively for new players and let them merge whenever they want into the old servers. Purely as a jump start.
In my humble opinion the biggest problem in gatekeeping is that one player can wipe the entire raid in one single mechanic when done wrong. There is nothing more frustrating when 7 players are dying and cant clear the content because one player is failing. My suggestion is to get rid of raid wipe mechanics and simply if mechanic is done wrong just kill the player who failed which leads to carry potencional, so veteran players can "carry new players"... Veteran players gets ego boost and new players clears the content and the more times they do it the better they get ... then theres no need to gatekeep anymore - win for both sides. And the difficulty can be raised in clever ways like Valtan where you can fall and die instantly. Which lead to more engaging content rather then having a homework of all raid mechanics.
I think it's a double edged sword. People love the valtan fight for this very reason. Imagine how annoying the fight would be if anytime someone got knocked off the map the entire raid got insta wiped. On the flip side though, I'm pretty sure the sole reason they started adding more insta wipe raid mechanics was to attempt to combat bussing and carrying to make it more difficult. I'm not sure it really worked though.
but u are just delusional XD
@@newlegendarylootalot of the raid wipe mechs aren't that bad though, ones that were bad they have taken out over time. The problem is learning them and practicing them while also trying to do it multiple times a week.
definitly agree with you for rewards veteran helping new players !!! but day 3 I already saw someone swiping and being 1560 trying to sell a valtan bus at 2.5k gold lol (lost ark is clearly the opposite)
Yep! Can't stop human nature, best we can hope for is smilegate/amazon implementing systems to help work around it. I hate bussing personally but bussing and carrying for money exists in pretty much every game and I have no idea how to actually stop it realistically.
I did what you did I think. I had a lot of fun playing for a bit but once I got to the point where I was starting to need alts and do more horizontal I kinda just got over it and went back to main. So I guess I'm one of those tourists 🤭. I've seen some people all going in as groups of friends to jump start together and that seems like a fun way to do it.
Going in with a group definitely seems like a good time, especially if everyone is new. Definitely helps with making parties too.
Lost Ark is a hard game to get into. It's complex, it's unforgiving and it takes a while for you roster to be at a level where you can fully experience the game. It's also extremely rewarding and has the most fun engaging combat in the genre. So yeah it's not for everyone to get into, but it's totally worth it imho. Whether you do it on the jump start server or not doesn't really matter imho. Important is that you have a guild or a group of friends you can play with. That fixes most of the issues. But if you want to play mostly solo and use party finder etc. you will have a harder time getting into grps.
MMO's are always more fun with friends for sure. It's designing them to be fun for both playing with friends/groups and when you are by yourself that's the real challenge.
Really agree with all the points in this video. I can totally understand why the Jump Start doesn't quite make sense to the existing users since you lose all your accumulated assets in the game.
As a new user myself, the biggest problem for me is to learn and practice the raids. I can learn them from watching CZcams videos, but I need to try at least several times to avoid being the man on the floor. Now, on the Jump Start server, I can get a 1500+ player quickly with all the proper engravings and decent gems. But now I'm still playing the Chaos dungeons, and trying to solo Guardian dungeons and that's it. Still the same in-game experience with my 250 character. The big number hits feel less meaningful as you think.
I understand there could be reasons why there is no pure practice mode for those dungeons.
I'm not sure if there is a way to provide incentives to experienced players so that they would like to help newbies learn in the raids. Whether the incentives are provided by the players (newbies) or the system, or both. Maybe throw in some challenges to players and see if they are good enough to be the teachers and once they've passed those challenges, then they are allowed to earn those incentives. And in this 'teacher-student' mode, players can have multiple lives to make sure they can finish the raid. And the raid can provide no or less rewards in the end based on how many lives that have been lost. And of course, there could be limits on how many times you can do this per week. If you want more, you can buy them as you want which is to me a more reasonable way to ask for money from players. Something like that to help new players at least have a chance to try the raids without being always defeated at the beginning.
I don't think there are good reasons that it's better to make it harder for players to learn boss mechanics. Even you know all mechanics, you still need to execute (play) and to me that's fun enough.
Well I was sceptical in the beginning of the video, though it will be another bored beefing, but you make solid points. Compared to my progression your is still really mokoko, and now I kinda get why Jumpstart didnt really made me excited and return to my main char in just two days. As you made the little list what did not get implemented, I started to feel bad and already choking on information.
For me at least, for someone who love the game by heart since the beginning, and pumping money into it like a fourth kid, over 3K play hours. I still love the game and my favourite, but the honing system is terrible. All of my friends either stopped playing the game, because of toxic players combined with pretty hard mechanics or the honing. But meanwhile you can bridge the first issue pretty easly, especially if you have someone doing inferno raiding, didn't mind to help out my friends, making prog lobbies, accepting only mokokos, you can make a friendly enviroment easly to learn with, just dont join the fast quick fppd plc lobbies. BUT, the honing is an issue I couldn't bridge no matter. No matter how much material I sent, the straigth sheer dissapointment feeling of 10 and 5% maximal chance, seeing it fail so many time. It's just simply not fun. If there would be a way to at least top up ANYTIME to 25% it would be much better. Make it expensive as hell, but let it be 25%. I myself stopped after brel hard raiding since it's just getting annoying to me as well. I'm the person who would rather collect more mats and gamble less. Even if you buy the books and the honing support it's just 2-3%. It feels like a gold drainage, and my luck is also the worst of the worsts in games, so honed everything since argos even in my alts at min 80%. Mostly everything succeed at 84% for some reason. It's just not fun, it's just annoying. I cannot imagine myself doing Akkans, thanks not, even if I'm a support paladin main since the beginning and there is a support shortage. 1-2%.. Man, dont joke with me, prefer doing old content, helping 12 times on Argos forever than doing that sheet.
*Edit: In my opinion gate keeping is the only way to defeat it is to improve guild systems. Finding communities and guilds to play with is the key, not trying to find 7 fully random dude, who is most probably toxic to others as well. guild learning enviroment is a healthy atmosphere, they play together each week with a goal of playing together every week. Not just sitting and watch random guys improving on those mechs you already know, just to never see him again.
I was just coming back to the game and was like wtf are these jump start servers and why would i start there when all my collectibles aren‘t migrated aswell.
Great explenation and helpful video/insight! Literally agreeing with everything you said. Gona continue my journey on my main server.
Thanks for the vid!
Rn its a good point to start fresh on a decend populated alrdy merged server. Or continue. Still got the Vern PP and the Event Quest so its still ez to catch up
Jumpstart server were made in mind of returning and new players, but this "returning" doesnt wrap all players probably just for whose that quit before Argos, if you were pretty active before and also you did a lot of horizontal or vertical, probably starting over (unless you want to) isn't a good way to come back to the game. These servers are for either returning or new players to start in the same boat to experience the game where the fun stuff begin which is great overall.
I'm a veteran that have been playing the game since release (almost 5.5k hrs into), I invited some friends to play on the fresh start (most of them are returning) we are having a blast doing the content, learning and teaching the raid is quite fun. I also know how time taxing can this game be, so I tell them to take it easy, play what you want while doing progress (important horizontal stuff such as skill points, giant heats, omnium stars, tower and runes). Sadly this isn't the usual case for new or returning players, most of them play solo even tho this is an MMO where having/finding a guild, communicate and make friends are a vital part in these kind of games, also you could take this as an area that Lost Ark can implement solo content or horizontal content that has an impact on the vertical content.
Regarding about "fixing" the current problem of gatekeeping that you mention, Lost Ark itself doesn't have any way or rewards to play with new players besides people willing to teach these new mokokos how to play or teach the raid. Amazon tried to incentive the community to gather on the official discord to do "mentoring" but its something that problaby the casual new audience won't bother to investigate or search, most of them will just play, this kind of system has to be in the game BUT it has to be something about "mentoring" than extra rewards by just playing with new people and that's because Bussing/RMT in Lost Ark, you have a lot of people who haven't tried bussing or don't like bussing (I'm here in this topic), where playing with new people or rather in this case new accounts can be a huge advantage for whose keep bussing like madlads on 6 or more characters, also you have people that sells their gold for personal purposes where Bussing have huge impact for those who keep doing this kind of stuff. This 'issue' haven't been touched by SG since they said Bussing is driven by players, but this can be so restrictive that you can't add these systems or any extra rewards for helpers, probably that's why SG haven't introduce it yet, but huge shout out to Amazon that tried to do it outside of the game systems, I've a strong belief that bussing will end up killing this game, rather than these kind of problems.
I’m a returning player and didn’t want to redo horizontal so skipped over fresh start. Worse though is I convinced my friends to try lost ark for the very first time… and they wanna play with me so they skipped the fresh start too…
Made a jump start support to check the server out, saw that it was indeed a clean slate fresh start, realized I have no goddamn time to progress this s*it alongside my 1540+ 6 char roster on a weekly basis. Didn't even run Argos or Oreha with it yet, haven't touched it since.
I played for around 1.3k hours before quitting the game, which was a few weeks just before Kakul Raid release, came back to the game, played nonstop for a week and quitted again yesterday FOR THE SAME REASON: gatekeep. I LOVE this game, got like 8 or 9 Ignea tokens, around 80% of island souls and over 1k mokoko (all of that just a bit after South Vern release). Kakul Raid is 1475 ilvl and Brel is 1490. It is *IMPOSSIBLE* for me to play on either content on ilvl, I've easily spent over 6 hours TRYING to do the raids. Even older one just for fun got me gatekeept, saw ppl doing Valtan and Vykas card runs, all players over +1520 and I couldn't get into the parties. Came back on this events, did honing for my alt Sorc from 1445 to 1500 and barely played stuff from my lvl. Fuck that shit, uninstalled the game yesterday for the first time since release
This has been my same exact experience. The mokoko symbol itself makes things much worse. When I first hit 1490 and got rid of it, I had an easier time getting in raids, not by a lot, but it was enough to feel it. Then the jump start patch hit and I found myself a mokoko again and I could not get in a single vykas, clown or brelshaza raid in a whole week. I got rejected even by a couple of learning parties, and it was all content I had already cleared except for the old brel gate 3 which is the current gate 2.
Why would you try to do Kakul or Brel when you HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE LEARNING PROCESS OF IT. You're not supposed to join a reclear party that spent hours inside each gate and learned those gates inside out. You're supposed to find other players WHO NEVER DID IT just like you, and then LEARN the raid with them, and not try to sneak into party that knows how to do it and get carried. Lost ark is not unique in this regard, if you EVER played ANY mmo, it has equal amount of 'gatekeeping' that's not actually gatekeeping, it's just that you don't belong in a reclear party if you're gonna die moment the raid starts.
@@photograhy if you understand what he said, you'd know he didn't try to join to get carried and even got rejected by valtan and vykas parties, raids with which he already had experience.
Aside from that, there aren't many learning or at ilvl parties, so you are forced to try and get in whatever there is.
As for saying it's not gatekeeping, how else would you call it when you are already trying to farm your brelshaza gear, try to run hard valtan for some extra gold and maybe some lucky card or accessory, and groups still refuse you? Are you really saying that raid needs a full 1540+ party? There is a difference between not wanting to waste time and being just assholes.
@@Feanor1988bis thank you
There definitely are plenty of learning parties, I am on NAW, the smallest of 3 regions and there's plenty of mokoko parties ALL THE TIME. @@Feanor1988bis
One thing Amazon forgot is to compile all the quest rewards sadly.
i agree with most of things u said but this kind of problem happened in every MMO's ive played and PLAY or QUIT is depending on the player's (HUMAN) behavior. i think what lost ark actually need right now is a community that helps connect players together, also they need to improuve the queue system, the party finder system ... lost ark has a lot of data, a lot things to do and the mechanics of legion raids are quite harsh as a group, thats why before joining any party, ofc ppl will make a requirements or archivements to make sure that u actually cleared it or had exp on it. / or not it will be a waste of time to 7 players. Even that u recommended SG to give more rewards to the party that includes new player. ppl will exploit it and more BUS party will be found. some mokoko's player even sell themselves for goods cuz it benefits the 7 others in the raid party. This way, maybe thing will turn more complicated.
u also said that some ppl comes to jumps start server to test out the character playstyle and when they finally found the one they love - they just come back and create character in normal server to play and EASY brelshaza and stuff. that is so wrong because, the honing progress, the exp progress, the rewards given in jump start server makes them honing and become stronger double faster than the original server. Why do they even think to come back to normal server, getting gate keeped and play normal like all others without benefits compared to jumped start server. it will get merged to normal server after 3 months anyway, why dont just stay in JS server and exploit all the benefits and get stronger? the real deal here of lost ark, is that you need to find a static party yourself, this kind of game always get gate keeped if you play alone without archivements or proves. Players who has like 2 hours to play the game everyday, will they choose to clear it faster with re-clear players ? or will they choose to take risk with random ppl with no archivements, no titles, no exp at all and get jailed in the dungeon for 3-4 days ? will someone actually choose it if they got better option? i think is NO. thats the core reason of gatekeeps. if u dont want to get gate keeped, get stronger, get to find the community, ask ppl to make your own static raids and try hard together. that's the case, if u play with random publics, there is very high chance that they will leave after 1st or 2nd fails, or someone who cannot spend too much time on the game, they tried to give some luck passing the gate and then also leave after some fails. u guys will get permantly jailed right there if missing 1-2 ppl at middle of clown gate2 or 3 example. Sorry for my bad english but i just want to explore and show every issues happens to the game due to human nature which hardly to change and improve.
Nah you hit the nail on the head been playing since release and jumpstart is just a server being taken advantage of by vets. There are some new people for sure sticking around and such but it's playing out exactly how the normal servers did just at a way faster pace.
My biggest fear is that the server is actually going to do the exact opposite of what it intends to do for those new players sticking around, and show them front and center all of the games problems instead of all of its strengths.
I think you hit the nail on the head pretty much, except for one thing which concerns the "rewards for teachers" segment.
There has to be some kind of proof or measurement in place to qualify as a "teacher". Just clearing a raid say x10 doesnt qualify anyone since no one knows how they cleared it. They could have been lying dead on the floor through each of 'em. My point being is, lots of people that have less than sufficient knowledge about the raid would queue in hope of getting the rewards whilst once again jailing each other. There has to be some proper measurement, Im not sure how it could be done.
the MAIN issue with js server atm, is that it is not connected to main servers AH, which makes it basicly impossible to raise alts to progress, on top of that, current engraving support ends, before any news about a potential merge
Cant find ANY info about them saying merge will happen after 3 months, rather, that they will announce when it happens, in 3 months
Adding more to do is not something I want and now the only things I “have” to do each week is 4 Akkan runs and I treat everything else as extra or gold earning activities and only do them if I want to. I am holding out hope that 2024 in KR sees a full reset not set on raids to reset the player base (except maybe cards).
They will never full restart on cards, at least I think, but it is certainly plausible that in the future they will add new card sets that end up being BiS so eventually things like LoS become redundant so it's kind of like a reset at that point anyway.
I'm a returnee player should i start with the jump start server? i have 2, lvl 50 char in my original server with a ilvl gear 1250 + 1 vern pass?
I used to play on the South America servers and I quit the game because finding groups was a nightmare due to the declining server population. I can't imagine how it would be on the jump start servers with even less people.
I just wish i could move my whole roster, characters etc to another server. When i started playing at launch (actually 3 days before cuz i purchased founder pack) i picked random server on EU central called Wei. After some time it turned out that this server is mainly spanish oriented for some reason. So playing on this server is pain cuz the most populated guilds are spanish. Another pain in the butt is that when i try to find guild and i get into one turns out that members of that guild are just leader's alts lol so for example "members" are 40/100 and 15 of that is just alts, 10 other players and rest was active like month or more ago.... i just feel that this server is dead idk correct me if i'm wrong but that's how i feel on that server.
New player here, JS has been amazing. Many learning groups everytime i'm playing for vykas, clown, brel. I sometimes sneak into reclear lobbies and people don't really care about fuckups either :)
The real shame though is that people feel the need to have to sneak into into reclear lobbies at all unfortunately.
Well, it is true that it doesnt feel good to move to a new server where your account progress is inexistent if you are a returning player. But on the other hand the mokoko express and being able to get 1415 with progress nerfs and a lot of free honing materials makes possibly to progress through all raids without countless days of grinding. My friends and I made a 8-man roster and we all went into a jump start server with mokoko express just to experiment the raids, and they are quite fun. It is obvius that we are all going to uninstall the game at some point between 1490 - 1540 becase from that point up the grind starts again and goes harder and harder. In general I think its a good idea but would be much better if we could do it in our main servers where we had some account progress already.
I used the jump start to do one thing only: I made an artist to see if I would like it. I did. Then never logged in to the server again. Like you said, my response to come back and do horizontal content was "Fuck right off".
Lost Ark has and will ALWAYS have a huge player retention issue because it tries to force you to play all day. That means burn out. The way I think I'll be playing the game is every time there's an express pass, I'll hop in, use it on my one character then gtfo once i've burned it out.
Fun game that's gated by the game, the community, and my time.
I pretty much only try out new stuff when there are express events and only do rested dailies when I feel like it. Game is much less stressful when you give up on the dream of being upper echelon geared. No matter how much you play you cant beat whales anyway.
I thought I could create a new caracter in the jump start server and transfer it eventually to my main rooster server, but I think it does not work this way lol.
It does not work that way as of now unfortunately. The jump start server will just become its own server attached to the normal cluster but wont be connected to your primary roster on your main server.
If they ever implemented megaserver tech this could be possible, and I hope in the future this is part of their plans.
As a returning player in EUC (Played until right after Clown release), Jumpstart servers have been absolutely amazing to me. I tried coming back on Elgacia release, but it was a giant challenge to get into learning parties, something that jumpstartservers automatically solved to me.
In JS, getting the hang of Valtan and Vykas was easy enough that I didn't need to go through learning parties, but I absolutely needed them for Clown and Brelshaza , and soon Kyangel.
Managed to complete Brelshaza gate 4 this week on a semi-learning party, we had 3 veterans helping us with some tips and we got there in the end (shoutout to these giga chad players, btw!).
One thing you left out of the video is not everything is about horizontal content we already completed. I didn't care too much before, and still dont care much now. The most important are runes and skill potions which are not too grindy to just farm again (other than some annoying RNG bosses). Cards I was far away from LOS then, and JS give us so many leg cards that I'm probably very close to where I was before. Less daily homework and less fomo to make alts and gold quickly (since it's so common to have learning / beginners and semi-learning parties anyway, no need to hurry).
It's such a casual and forgiving environment to be in, I wish they'd do it every 6months
And about the sweaty vets making gold on this servers, shame on them, sure, but I'm mostly ignoring them anyway, just playing my own game and having fun. You know, in the end, that's what playing a game is about
Brelshaza gate 3 is hard.
The only real solution is to have several ways/modes to get stuff like for final fantasy 14 for example. Let me explain for FF there are daily roulettes to get tokens, raids at 24, normal and external raids at 8, crafting, relics, etc... For Lost Ark, there is no than raids. Why not develop other ways to get stuff. I'm sure there would be a lot more players who would come and play the game.
The video makes 100% sense and this is how i've also felt. I checked the jumpstart servers as well as a veteran and it was not functioning at all like amazon maybe intended. Something must be done for gate keeping and maybe even for bussing... For the student & teacher suggestion I think it would also be necessary that a specific amount of students have to be alive at the end of the raid so the raids wont turn into bussing service. Maybe no rewards for teachers if less than 2 students are alive at the end or that the rewards lower every time when one student is dead at the end of a raid, so zero students alive is zero extras for the teachers. I also feel like roster level and title showcase are a huge issue with gate keeping. Card set requirement for some content is also a huge issue and I don't think that cards should be this hard to get yet so mandatory in the community. I have been playing well over a year and I am no where near finishing my first end game card set. I have had awfully bad luck with card drops and it is gatekeeping my dps classes (ofc I have no issue in joining anywhere with my support classes because we have shortage of them) from all of the raids. I would imagine many newer players have the exact same issue.
The unfortunate reality with cards sets and the LoS 18/30 problem is that it's a direct whale and money trap. If they made it super easy to get or not needed in high end raid content then no one would be tempted to spend money on card packs and smilegate would lose out on money. If there's anything companies hate losing it's money. I might be jaded but I expect things like cards and pheons, anything that is a directly monetized commodity to be the last things to get changed.
@@GraveTheory pheons are such a joke, they literally only exist to restrict players and make smilegate money
yes, pretty much gave up on jump start week 1 because of cards
Coming back to this to say that the economy/market is in fact pretty much in shambles on JS now. I'm not sure why having the market connected is a thing they decided would be a good idea.
Yeah im crazy
The problem with Lost Ark was never the start, it was always what came after. As these really don't do anything to deal with the "after" part, I just don't see these as having a lasting benefit.
Then they're not going to address the issues in the "after" part so long as enough people are still willing to spend money. Also given how long it has been going on, even if everyone mass quits in ever region, SmileGate likely will just shrug their shoulders, announce its shut down, then move on to their next project.
New player here...
Being gatekept suck :)
Been stuck with 1490 for 2 days already, spent 3 hours yesterday, 5 hours today looking for brel gate 1-2, got nothing i either got kicked, or just rejected from parties.
No learning raid whatsoever
Spent hours watching video on yt memorizing the mechs, patterns, everything.
Idk, it's just hard for me, im playing the game alone, like the game so far, but it is what it is i guess.
Can't even "git gud" because i cant even fking enter the fucking raid :)
Gatekeeping definitely is the worst part about Lost Ark. Getting that initial group for kills is always the hardest part. Until they do something about it eventually to help the problem, the only thing I can recommend is look for learning parties in the Lost Ark LFG discord or to make leaning parties on your own and invite anyone you can.
pretty reasonable, but gatekeeping is not the problem per se, if you dont gatekeep as veteran u will literally waste your time. there are alot of player organised learning groups on several discord servers with vets teaching new players for no benefits except friendships. this is an mmo so players shouldnt wait for the silvertablet invitation to solve their problems but take initative and look for guilds, friends, discords, where they can form groups to learn the different encounters.
really good video
Amazon already announced that jumpstart will merge with their regions in less than 2 months
I returned after quitting in February, the game has still the same issues. It’s just a little better but not enough in the slightest
They could do 4 man and 8 man raids like ff and wow how youbdo raids with different size parties cause i do teaching raids amd i feel would be easier with 4 man than a whole 8 squad
Most likely this comment will get buried down, but sadly those solutions you gave are just illusions we want to believe time and time again.
After spending years in the MMORPG community i can say people will find a way to abuse it, such as:
-Make a queue to help new people, get rewards from it
We read and think: Good way to bring new people
People read: So we smurf our way out, trading boosts and materials and if we don't find experience players outright quit and regroup
Recently I even found out how people trade gold from other servers into their own and are pilling up gold on the jump start so as soon as the action house is open, it will flood their server/market
The best way we can do is start making more group finders with lower expectations for new people, teach them, be patient, and if you are in a guild. always be there to help others and scold those for gatekeeping
Also if someone is messing up, tell them how to improve, guide them where they can learn and also make groups, talk to them
If we isolate and insult people they are bound to get bored of the game
Nice video recapping most points :D
I play on the main servers since release and after checking out the jump start, I was shocked to see how bad it is. 3 months to merge is still too long. They need to boost those mokokos a lot more and merge them after 2 months. They need to quit adding rng to stuff for mokokos. All the new cards packs feel so pointless if they are all trash rng to get a legendary card. Whats the point of that? Mokokos bust their little butts to get 50 packs so 99% of it is purple packs. Nonsense.
Cards unfortunately will continue to be a problem as long as the developers design them to be whale bait. Changing card acquisition to make them easier to acquire simply means less people are tempted to swipe for them, making PA less money. But of course if the pendulum swings too hard and they are so difficult it causes major issues and players leave, it could end up being a profit loss anyway. I feel like we all already know where it currently stands.
Your solution doesn't solve anything because of the same argument you mentioned : human nature
Even if you add bonus reward if you have mokoko in your pt, it'd end up just being abused by veterans to create new alt account to join their pt and bus the whole raid.
Almost every current raids in the game can be bussed by fewer players right now, so all they need to do is add mokoko into the pt and ask them to die.
It solves nothing and only encourage abuses from veteran players. (you'd just see more pt recruiting: "mokoko only, die upon enter")
Let's be real here, it's MUCH EASIER to clear the raid with less ppl than trying to teach a mokoko and running the risk of them messing up everything.
Also the system will only reward bussers in the game (who already make more gold than anyone else), which is the worst part of the game if you ask me.
You are definitely right that giving rewards for first clears could be abused, and by could I mean 100% would be, but I didn't want to go too heavy in details nor did I want to really dive into the topic of bussing and carrying in general being a game wide problem since that would have just been an entirely new rant on top of this one. failsafe solutions would have to be added to prevent that, but if I dove deeply into every problem or concern on top of just talking about the jump start knowing myself I would probably have written a 2 hour rant.
My take is that yeah; jump start isn't going to fix anything. Just a nice little publicity stunt. Nothing wrong with trying, but I think even they know it won't solve anything. It might just be a stopgap to at least get some people to try the game and interested in it, so when newer solutions start to flow in, they might be like "hey that game was fun despite it's issues, let's see if it's better feeling." Note: I said "some" people.
I don't have any end-all-be-all solutions to throw out there, but I think cutting legion raids down to 4 players instead of 8 players would combat gatekeeping while still keeping the game multiplayer. I say combat because it won't ever disappear, but you want to lessen it. With fewer people, it'll take less time to make a party, less people to teach, less people needing to learn, less people worry about disappointing, and one less support to wait for. Might even make finding a static that much easier too. And for those who love 8 man party raids, they can still exist in hell/nightmare.
Solo raids was an interesting idea, but I feel like it would make the game too single player driven. I almost feel like the game is a single player game, with how players act unless someone messes up doing their chores. So, I'm trying to spread the idea of 4-player parties to see if others like the idea too.
3 big Problems in LostArk 1.Gold ( if u delete Gold u have a beter chance and more fun ) 2.u need to more than 1 class to play this game ( many of many people gone and say he want to play 1 class and not 20 classes ) 3.content is limited ( u need more than 1 class to play more than 1x raid or dungeons this is a problem )
Mostly i agree however was game where was no gate keeping due to sick requirements or stupid mechanics and team wipes ,
was called VINDCTUS .unfortunately they did not had pity system for enhancing (honning) and that make this game go to drain, plus nexon who is bad game publisher.
Im always sad to gatekeep rn, but just today i had a clown run with 1 rather fresh player and i specifically named it reclear to then have the ppl throw g3 5 times and then admit its a 1st time. I gotta value my time too if there are these kind of ppl
I think it's a self propagating problem: people don't want to waste time so they gatekeep, players don't want to admit being new because it gets them kicked out of parties. In the end, whenever the game is so punishing that a single person making a mistake can kill the whole party, this is the inevitable result. The more punishing the game, the harsher the gatekeeping.
I wouldn't blame anyone for gatekeeping so don't feel bad about doing it. Like he said it's really on the developers at this point to change the game so they players don't feel the need to gatekeep so hard.
The best solution would be let players merge the jump start account with their existing one and combine all the horizontal content.
This could be "abused" by veteran players being able to have a free character but... who cares? This is all about making new players keep playing
I think bussing should be banned for just the Jumpstart servers.
Ban it on all imo. Does nothing positive for the game as a whole
@@shgalagalaa, it lets non-raiders still enjoy progression (and access story starting next month) and gives the bussers a different challenge. I’m not saying these things are worth the costs, but there are benefits
There's no way to actively enforce a ban on bussing though. There is too many loopholes to find ways to gives other reasons you are doing it that amazon couldn't disprove. It would also take a lot of time for GM's or whoever to look into and investigate every single case before handing out a ban.
@@awakeiam1028, you don’t have to catch every single bus to make a ban useful, but I get what you’re saying. It’s likely to at least de-clutter party finder
Highly disagree with this video. Jumpstart servers have two mokoko expresses, the regular one that all servers have, and a jumpstart mokoko version. This means you can accelerate two characters to endgame, and if you haven't consumed the one-time account wide Aeromancer Powerpass, new and returning players will have two 1415 powerpasses (one in mail, and one from product inventory). The event shop wasn't mentioned in the video. Lost Ark always has an event running where materials can be claimed from running dailies. The jumpstart server has TWO event shops: the regular one, and another one in a separate tab similar to regular but with highly discounted materials. This is extremely valuable for progressing main characters and starting new characters.
Community wise, the prevalence of gatekeeping cannot be understated. From playing on the jumpstart server, I've seen greater willingness and acceptance of new players. While experienced groups do exist and are often labelled so in the title (reclear, experienced), many groups accept, encourage, and help new players. Market wise, many of the scarcer materials like Oreha Fusion Material are cheaper on the jumpstart server than the regular server. While I agree prices will have less stability in the short term, engravings and accessories aren't required for your first two characters given there are two event expresses providing engraving support. Small bonuses such as double roster exp upto 100, double character exp (excluding quests), and double stronghold progression upto 40, are helpful in getting new players started. If you've spent hundreds of hours doing horizontal progression for skillpoints and runes, perhaps the jumpstart server isn't for you. But in terms of what they provide, I would say it has been more than enough once you discover the full benefits, and far more inclusive for new players than the main servers are.
There's definitely good bonuses for early progression that are great for new players no doubt. It was simply my experience that, comparing my jump start boost slayer for example to my main server boost slayer, finding groups on the main servers was actually easier/faster than on the jump start server due to higher player pop, and my queues for guardians were also much faster. I make a lot of assumptions and predictions about the health of the server not right now but weeks or months from now when player count is even lower and gatekeeping becomes worse than it already is on the jump start server.
I really hope that you are right and that my concerns are invalid and unwarranted long term, but knowing the community, I also fear that they are not,
The market is a huge issue. You cannot gear up a 5x3 on an alt since the market doesn’t have the accessories required for it. Making it virtually impossible to play or even try more than two classes. Also when the servers do merge in an ambiguous amout of time it suddenly becomes necessary to have more than 2 characters to keep up, in addition with the engraving support ending suddenly you have to gear up two characters which would mean you have to hold hundreds of thousands of gold waiting for server merge which isnt reasonable. Especially a truly new player is rather unlikely to just hold that amount of gold. So isolated markets are an issue currently and will lead to a massive issue upon merge if players arent allowed to gradually build up characters
Until they address the core reasons why 900k players left. Jump start servers will be an epic fail and lost ark will continue bleed players overtime. Mokoko's btw is misleading being it's ends at 1540 gear score.
there isn't "a" core reason. People have lives, people dont enjoy the game anymore, theres myriad reasons why people quit. There is no conceivable reality where a game could keep so many players constantly playing. Even if all issues were addressed, life still happens and not everyone is willing/capable of putting in a constant amount of time everyday into a videogame.
Never ever anyone once told it's a good server for players with substantial progress on main. Overall bad take, you won't be able to get into raiding as a new player on main servers anytime soon, learning parties are almost non existant. On JS you can easily progress from Valtan to Brel, and when the merge happens just have that experience with you, making your new player experience a lot smoother.
They never said it wasn't either. All they said was like the quote just "returning players", which is a really broad and non specific statement. Let's be real anyone who had no horizontal progress or characters already in t3 might as well be a new player anyway.
@@newlegendaryloot well, they can't decide for you whether it's worth it or not, not sure what's your point is.
first. amazon is probably the worst company with the least clue about mmorpgs, and they show each new game the release again and again.
when i stopped playing cuz the game sucked there were the same issues as now:
-ppl dont give a fuk in raids and join without knowing anything, meaning u cant clear raids cuz ppl are idiots who dont wanna prepare even a bit
-> this leads to the meta which forces ppl to only take overgeared characters for raids, cuz if u have the dmg u can ignore mechanics.
also some things are just plain and simple dead... guardian raids ... noone does em anymore ever.
bots i dont know, there was a huuuuge prob, but now i cant tell since i havent leveled a new char atm and most bots were in starter zone.
- upgrading gear was trash and is trash, takes THE WHOLE fun out of the game having to up ur gear 1 lvl each for a new raid.
this mechanic is awful, bad implemented and only there to grab as much cash from people as they can.
predatory shit.
- time... other trash games measure success by time ingame spent... aka known as diablo 4. this game does this prob aswell, there is a fukton of gatekeeping by time, and you will have to invest even more time to gear. raids itself dont take long (garbage story lines do, or searching 1 000 mokoko seeds...fuck that)....
so if u play anytime when theres NO event, u will hate the game cuz the core is trash.
during events on the other hand u get gear for one char mostly super fast with zero effort, there is no balance in between.
raids itself are cool, look good, have nice mechanics and okayish rewards.
story hoewever is just plain and simple dogshit and whoever wrote the story and calculated how much time u have to spend to finish it should be fired instantly.
so... u play lost ark to raid and kill bosses, its simple. without the trash up system and no story it could be a decent game, not a great one but a decent.
Yep 100% agree - the jumpstart servers are definitly not enough. At least the merge will happen not in 6 month but in 3. Still this will be difficult to maintain a healthy jumpstart server. I am looking forward to more changes to the game aswell - as of right now the last 3-4 patches improved the game by a lot and I don't see that upcoming patches will stop improving it even more. In my opinion the future is looking good.
Set gold on All legion raids the same, and do smthing about alts... nobody wants to play 100 alts to be relevant
gatekeeping arc kek.
Game is fine...I'm a f2p player and it's fine, all you new age gamers just want the game to give you everything, no effort just reward.
Bad take. The returning player Is for The one that did not have a substantial progression in other servers and it’s worth for restarting with a boost. And that’s it, there is no more to it. Dude is just straight farming negativity algorithm
If I wanted to farm the algorithm I would have just made a "top 10 things you definitely don't want to miss on jumpstart" video with 10 really obvious things people would do anyway and get 5 times the views. Tip number1: Hone your gear!
Play another game ez, and do content for that, and talk bad things about that game.
But I don't wanna 😙
With people like you when is the game ever enough?
When it doesn't have major problems preventing it from being a great game that's probably enough.
what game doesnt have any major problems?
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@@shockwave1628 FF14 and GW2 seems to have pretty good reputations
@@shockwave1628 No game is perfect, but there's plenty of nearly perfect games out there with only minor problems. But assuming you are talking about MMO's specifically, in my opinion as of right now unfortunately probably none. Out of all the ones I have personally played at least.
Yes. No matter what improvements will be made, even if you get all gear fully maxed everything whatever but you have to grind some other small thing they will still find issue and quit. Another aspect of "some" humans' nature