Wall-E | Why Trans-humanism SUCKS
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In this video essay, I explore the symbolic meaning of Disney Pixar's WALL-E (2008), showcase how it goes beyond your run of the mill dystopian future story and how it might help us save the world from our present troubles...
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Thanks for watching, everyone! I love Wall-E, I think it's one of, if not the best Pixar film to date. Hoping this video essay about the symbolic meaning of the movie can provide some clarity and direction in these crazy times we live in. Peace! - Thomas
It's not transhumanism that necessarily causes people to be weak, simple, baby-like, whatever. But it's just a preference for comfort (over growth) and a lack of openness. There's nothing in transhumanism an sich that makes people weak, unless you have a very essentialist view of what a human is.
I use a wood box strapped to my belt.
There's something about Wall-E as a film that just hits all the right spots. From its impeccable visual storytelling to its influences including 2001: A Space Odyssey, golden-era Hollywood romance films to even Adam & Eve, I genuinely believe it's not just one of the greatest animations, but one of the greatest films ever made. But that's just my opinion
My gf says I hit all her right spots all the time.
Not to mention the first half has no dialogue
@@agrumpymonkey5800 That's what astounded me the most. I was so engaged in the film that I didn't even realise it until my 5th watch
Yo i watched it last night and said the same thing. This isn't like Toy Story or any other pixar film, they put so much fucking work into this film, especially the story.
A film opinion
I totally missed the whole biblical references in Wall-E. This is one of the best analysis I've seen on a film.
To be fair you can come up with biblical references for almost anything the Bible is deliberately vague so it can apply to any circumstance
@@jjcolby557 But also all literature is directly linked to biblical symbols and archetypes. The Gospel is the ultimate Comedy so all other stories that follow the Comedic structured are consequently structured after The Gospel.
@@aidandriscoll2250 yeah, no
@@TheInfinitlyProlonged There are stories older than the bible
@@literatemax And Earth is older still.
The point of timelessness is that it transcends time.
WALL-E is an example of what Disney Pixar is capable of, they really stopped trying nowadays..
I agree. I thought Toy Story 4 was highly mediocre (the animation looked stunning though)
@@storytellers1 Did you like Onward?
@@brenosantos5579 Onward was alright. Not Pixar though, right?
@@storytellers1 It is Pixar actually, though most people doesn't think it's "Pixar-like"
Lads, Imma need you all to watch Soul
Wall-E is one of my favorite Pixar movies and I really enjoy how insightful this video essay is.
Thanks Ernesto!
I've threatened to write a book about Wall-E for YEARS. Now I don't have to ;)
I'm not religious, nor am I even spiritual but I found this video extremely fascinating.
The message/lesson shared in this video and in the movie I think is one that should be taken to heart.
Taking responsibility for your own agency, standing on your own two feet and coming together is a great one and I think it's something more people need to hear.
It’s never too late to get saved
Sometimes when i finished watching Wall-E it make me depressed because there no other movies that are similar to this. I guessed that why i liked it so much.
The ending was very sad. I mean, I never seen any of the humans go to work. They have everything they ever wanted (except maybe losing weight). The ending was sad, because Wall-E made the ship return to the desolation they left. The humans were forced out of their comfort to work and toil in a desolate landscape for the rest of their lives. I'm sorry, I'll stay on the ship.
@@user-nf9xc7ww7m You did not watch the credit?
@@user-nf9xc7ww7m watch the credits-
UPDATE: It has come to my attention that the masculine and feminine roles in the movie are a bit confused. Although Wall-E is male and Eve is female, and their physical characteristics line up as well, their actions are a bit muddled. Eve's coming down from above like a spirit is more masculine symbolism, and Wall-E's 'earthliness' and curiosity are actually more symbolically feminine traits. There are some other examples, but the point is that the symbolism is a bit inverted here and there. A movie like Moonrise Kingdom (2011) does get this distinction right. My bad!
I always kinda though of heavenly things as being somewhat more feminine than earthly.
Like Tolkien's Elves and Dwarves. The elves are essentially the heavenly immortal version of humans whereas the dwarves are made of the earth. Though that may be a misappropriation of Tolkien's vision for the elves, he never thought of them being dainty femboys. So I don't know
I kinda see it like the Yin and yang symbol where both has little of each others traits.
It's not completely inverted, since symbolically there are situations where there is a feminine that is above the masculine or comes before it. For example the Mother of God (the purest and highest femininity) is below the Divine masculine but is above all other masculinities (She is higher than all Saints). Another example is Eve herself, that comes after Adam even tho usually the feminine is what precedes the masculine (feminine is the question, masculine is the answer). A more mundane example is a son with his mother, to whom he is submitted even tho she is feminine. So, even if the absolute masculine and feminine follow that order that you presented, there are a lot of relative masculines and feminines that mix things up (and makes the comsos dynamic rather than static). In this specific situation, Eve has a double role: she is the earthly feminine, and therefore below the earthly masculine that is Wall-E (in fact you can see that she is following his lead during the movie) and the divine feminine at the same time. Anyway, very good job with this video man :)
Just rewatched Stardust yesterday, and a star is knocked out of the sky and lands on Earth and she's a woman. Also, in our culture, it's more acceptable for men to get dirty and do more dirty jobs in the Earth, BUT women are associated as foragers, gatherers, and farmers/gardeners, but in actual employment it might be even or more men are farmers, I don't know the numbers.
I liked your video, but I did think that the male/female thing was a bit odd. They're robots so they don't really need genders, but the more you pointed out the more I was like "woah, impregnate? seed?". so i definitely see the comparisons.
@@MrFaberJack Good points, thanks for that
Im not sure you understand what trans-humanism is. Its the transcendence of the human organism by physical artificial means. Post-humanism is the transcendence of biology altogether. Perhaps a better title would have been consumerism, as you seem to be confusing the two concepts
Well, think about it this way:
He means Trans-humanism in the way that the humans in the movie have "shed their previous humanity" to reach something "better" which they aspired for i.e. a life in space full of luxury.
It may not be the ideal term for transhumanism, but it is kind of a step in transhumanism. After all, when we "evolve" past several of our basic needs to the point that we no longer strive for them, is that not a step in transhumanism?
yeah i was really cofused i thought he was gonna say the robots used to be human or something
@@ellugerdelacruz2555 That is not a step towards trans-humanism. Rather I would call it hedonism because the change is not related or intented to be a physical or logical improvement. The change is only about makeing people live lives of pure pleasure. A trans-humanist would never support such a change.
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Some transhumanists do.
In fact, some would even go so far as to say that would be the entire point of transhumanism- to transcend past that which limits our power and pleasure.
There's a reason why some have called transhumanism a "sci-fi nerd's version of an afterlife".
But yeah, I get your point. And perhaps we're both right in a way. Because after all, the point of Storytellers' Video was that we should focus on the now instead of aspiring for something that might not even be worth it.
@@ellugerdelacruz2555 That first part may be true but in my experience, most transhumanists I have met believe pleasure and emotion to overall be in the way or not of top priority. But there is no doubt some are only focused on the hedonistic uses of technology.
In the end, though I would say that focusing on the now is never a good thing. That is how problems like pollution and climate change have arisen. Rather in the present, we should be focused on building a future so that for others there will be a now until forever. Now I know that contradicts his view of Auto in the story but I believe that the only reason Auto was evil in the story was because he and the hedonistic life on the axiom created a technologically and socially stagnant society.
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Or, just hear me out on this it's a old Pixar movie about two robots falling in love with each other whilst also at the same time bringing humans back to Earth
A really eerie detail is that inevery portrait of the captains, the evil machine gets closer and closer. I forgot how genius this movie is.
I watched this film more times than I can count as a kid, and I'm so glad I did
Well this is indeed an interesting take on the film. I would have never connected to religion but well done make a completing analysis of the film. Although I am skeptical of some of the points you made, like the mispronunciation of manual, I more likely it’s was for a cheap gag, regardless a interesting presentation.
Thanks! Yeah, could be. That's one of those things where you have to guess the director's intent. I thought it lined up almost too perfectly to not be true, but I could be wrong. Especially considering some of the other imagery and names like Eve (and her connection with the white dove from Noah), John and Mary.
@@storytellers1 you know when a film is good when you can have a religious reading and a marxise one at the same time and not contradicte it eache over AND have a similur out come. good video.
WALL-E is the best thing to come out of Pixar, and that's a hill, I'll die on!
What I love about your channel is that you handle multiple topics and genres, even classic animated movies.
Dang, I was not expecting to get emotional over the symbolic closeness to the biblical gospel of sacrifice and redemption through Christ. Good find! So beautiful.
I think you nailed it! I couldn’t find any dissonance.
It’s interesting how people who can’t see the patterns and connections dismiss it as “reading too much into it”. It’s as if there is a limitation of meaning in the use of colour, shot composition, etc. Even if it was not meant by the creator, it can’t be dismissed as meaningless. Many times even the creator is not aware of the full extent of their creation. Think of a time when you said/did something trivial but later on someone shares how it had a great impact on them.
No doubt, well done Thomas!
I want to apologise if this sounds mean.
Just making comparisons to religious imagery is not deep. Not to say these don't have anything interesting say, but simply making comparisons to them is, at least for me, not enough for an analysis. You end up explaining metaphors with other metaphors, at the points where you don't you actually end up saying something.
If you actually would explain how and why you think there is a connection, instead of assuming the meaning of the biblical references is obvious, this video would be a lot stronger and clearer.
One example , though not specificaly religious, is your use of the "masculine" and "feminine" Spirit. There are so many assumptions and in this concept alone, and you just seem assume its a given that masculine represents the builder and feminine a vessel for life(im simplifying).
Only that feminine and masculine are symbols for much more abstract ideas, ideas you depict as obvious and not worthy of questioning, and because of that it is unclear why you think this masculine/feminine thing is so important, and seems like a far fetched comparison.
One thing I found quite interesting was the comparison of EVE with the white dove. This kinda worked for me, but your explanation was again kind of surface level. Both bring back plants, but what they actually are is symbols for hope and life, hope because we know there is land/plants, and the life part kind of comes out of that hope.
These biblical storys work for a reason. Exploring those reasons is far more interesting than drawing surface level comparisons, it also helps with noticing some biases you might have, because we all have those. Don't tell us what is, but why it is.
I hope I didn't just talk down to you, I get a little to emotionally invested in things like this, because I think they're important.
Surface-level comparison is so easy and a great tool to manipulate people. Who's to say that Wall-E isn't the snake that tempted Eve to take the fruit to Adam, the Captain of the Axiom, dragging the entirety of humanity down to Earth where they have to work for to survive?
It doesn't take much to draw meaningless parallels between the two stories if you're willing to omit details that don't support your argument. In the end, without the help of defective robots, those that went against human orders much like Auto, the Axiom wouldn't have been able to return to Earth. It's mostly rogue AIs against rogue AIs, the humans were just the supporting cast. However, if you ignore those details then yeah sounds Noah's Ark to me.
Also Eve was way more masculine than Wall-E the entire movie.
This is my absolute favorite of your videos thus far. Thank you for continuing to make them!
Thanks Jimmy!
Thanks for making this video. These times are just confusing, I haven't seen Wall-E since its release and watching this analysis now as an adult gave me a whole new context to understand. I hope this video gets recommended by the algorythm in the future because it speaks a message people need to hear right now
I find it quite frightening to think that this imaginary dystopian future has some real relation in our society. Obesity is becoming a poetic pandemic. Many have pushed fat acceptance, and though that may not sound inherently bad--if anything, sympathetic to overweight people--such a philosophy could turn upright humans into immoble blobs as we see in Walle, and more realistically seen in shows like My 600lbs Life. Currently, over thirty percent of the American population is obese--around seven percent is severely obese--this number is only going climbing. It has even been estimated that around 2030 or so, that half of the American population will be obese. So though this is most definitely controversial and will undoubtedly offend some, understand that many live an unhealthy lifestyle along with the lie that there is nothing wrong with it. Walle is a movie that exaggerates what is happening today with many food conglomerates and current obesity issues, for the distant future however, I wouldn't be surprised if it unfolded in a similar way.
Well to be fair. We used to be a LOT less accepting of fat people and the obesity still increased quickly after ww2 (at least US). We can only teach children how to eat better, make dangerous food harder to get and allow and teach exercising for everyone but no one is going to do that 🙃. Our cultures just didn’t have to teach that in the last and they never learned (well maybe some countries in Europe and Japan did)
Yes. Thank you so much for saying that. I'm glad that I'm not the only one frightened and scared by that. Someone had to say it.
I love the idea of our creation of technology living on past us. I think it’s so beautiful that we created something with the potential to be larger than ourselves. Life goes on and the same story is told no matter the characters.
Boss this is too good. Can i use some of your analysis for an instagram post?
i never thought i would see wall-e here i havent watched the video so i cant tell anything about it but
i watched that movie religiously i still have the cd and still sometimes open it to laugh at it idk why but tears did came off from my ears when i saw the title
I think wall-e is meant to say that technology isn't good or bad, it is simply a tool, a mirror of humanity. Greedy people are bound to use technology for their own gain, and selfless people use it to make life better, for example.
my favorite part of this video is when he's scrolling through reviews of the wallet and the very first one is "Just OK"
@Storytellers What’s the original quote you paraphrased at the end (by CS Lewis)? It’s lovely but I haven’t found find it myself.
I’m interested in the color philosophies of Magic: the Gathering, and that quote is practically the thesis of green!
I think Wall-e is one of the most beautiful movies ever made and this video hit all the nails on the head. Thank you for your comprehensive time analyzing the story of Wall-e and linking it so perfectly with real Truth. Literature, Art, and Storytelling are highly underrated crafts in this day and age. They have more power than we think.
It had a sad ending.. I mean, I never seen any of the humans go to work. They have everything they ever wanted (except maybe losing weight). The ending was sad, because Wall-E made the ship return to the desolation they left. The humans were forced out of their comfort to work and toil in a desolate landscape for the rest of their lives. I'm sorry, I'll stay on the ship.
@@user-nf9xc7ww7m They have the power of inconvience. Something to work towards. Something to be a part of. It is a good ending because they become humsns again.
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Hmm. That's like saying we're not humans now and should give up our modern conveniences and go live in tents off the land. Some would jump at that chance. Others would cling to modern conveniences amd life. There should be a choice.
The masculine qualities of wall-e's character totally went over my head
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Yeah, we are both dutch
It is insane that this only has 12k views!
Loved this. So good, keep the content coming please
The only reason why the earth didn’t lose its capacity for life is the ocean which we had never seen, it hasn’t dried out, but rather adapted to the trash, broke it down, ate it even, and found a way to breath air into the earth and had plants rise from the waters once again.
Life found a way.
What else is left to say but, “Bravo.”
Nice content!
Would love to see an analysis of Nocturnal Animals or stay by marc foster 💕
Your essays make me cry. Thanks man :)
Jonathan Pageau sent me. Great video!
The music man, it gets me in the feelings.
I can't believe I never picked up on the manual-auto switch on the steering wheel as representing the choice between following the (operations) manual or the auto(pilot) until this video
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Wall-E is probably by far my most favorite Pixar movie.
Same!
@@storytellers1 story in Wall-E has a good message about environmental issues and the essential part of human health and getting out there doing things. That's what I loved about Wall-E.
I always get chills from the ending credit scene. Something truly beautiful about it.
Storytellers saving our father from the belly of the whale, one video at a time.
Brilliant Truth ! Thank You. Great channel !
I loved the movie and even as someone who looks out for this stuff, the charm of the movie pulled me into its fiction so well that I didn't notice any of this. Awesome analysis.
TBH, I always disliked Wall-E. This analysis may have changed my opinion. Perhaps I didn't think about it enough. Good video!
That all a very intresting way to read into things... got to say as a pagan not a Christian be any means though I did see some connections to the biblical stuff and in a way the scale of the story- it would have to touch on the godly side of things and how we had came so high while at the same time of falling so low with how people had became since leaving earth. I like the way it's up to the masculine energy and feminine energy working together to bring further the future but the story and is much more then that it's in much more of an inspirational sense of just how WALL-E (Waste Allocation Load Lifter Earth-Class) was made only to clean the trash of an abandoned planet, he was meant to have brothers yet they all slowly gave out only our stroy's WALL-E remained for he had the foresight to save parts for when he needed them. It can be seen more as a story of just how the fallen and down troted can raise to inspire and heal much then his intended directive.
I’m not sure this is really transhumanism. Transhumanism has to do with modifying yourself.
The biblical allegories make it all the appropriate that Auto looks like an inverted pentagram (originally a pagan symbol representing "flesh", the upward-pointed pentagram representing "spirit"). There's a lot of "as above, so below" going on in this movie, but it's depicted from a "we must RESIST that system" perspective. Rightly so, of course. Andrew Stanton talks about it in the commentary, but he phrases it different (and better). Anyway, watch 'WALL-E' back to back with Tron, THX-1138, and Fritz Lang's Metropolis.
Huh, so everything really is about sex and God.
On a more serious note, I enjoyed this video. WallE and Ratatouille are the greatest Pixar films in my opinion, Ratatouille for it's expression of love for creativity and self actualization. I also noticed that Toy Story 1 and 2 have interesting existentialist themes, that being the inevitably of children growing up and abandoning their toys (death/ending of relationships), but the toys deciding that it's better to enjoy the time they have and make their owner happy while they can, but I haven't seen anyone really address these.
Wall-E wants Supposed to sort the objects into categories wall-E malfunctions which is the only reason that he is the final one to survive because he categorise spare parts and was able to repair himself the other units didn’t malfunction and simply perform the task of compacting and stacking Until they inevitably break down
I mean the official reason for Eve’s name is pretty much the dead giveaway lol
This is an interesting take. I didn't see a biblical reference, but I am sure your can find many religious stories(/myths) in many movies. I also didn't see masculinity and feminity in the story of Wall-e. However, this take was beautiful and shows how a great story can deliver several message why still showing beginning, middle and an end.
So how does any of this tie in to transhumanism?
I'd never thought of that view, but your biblical interpretation is deeply interesting.
The captain is a metaphor for Noah, Eve is the pigeon Noah send to find out if the rain has stopped, AUTO for devil, the passengers are Noah’s family, the plant is the olive plant, the Axiom Noah’s ark, and Wall-E probably God, I guess?
Wall e is probably Jesus because he sacrificed him self for humanity and got "ressurected"
Im not crying; you're crying! ? (So on and so forth) Legit though, this is one of those rare films that attains the rank of timeless masterpiece.
Brooooo what a great analysis
Fantastic video
Great video analysis of the best Pixar film! You've put into words many of the things I felt when I watched this. This movie is more than just an environmental message film, it's a very pro-humanist movie that suggests the best ways for humans to move forward is not to remove all hardship and struggle, but rather to embrace and find meaning in it.
I think you don't really understand what TRANSHUMANISM is, you are thinking of CONSUMERISM where consuming is the most important aspect of life and what you have is basically everything and who you are doesn't really matter (not in the your economic situation or beliefs or whatever, but YOU yourself doesn't matter, it does not matter your personality or goals. Just how much you consume)
Great film that says a lot, although I wouldn't agree with a lot of the far reaching statements you've made
Great video, too many commercials
Make a video like this on SPACE BROTHERS! ❤️
Dude. This one was so good.
Ehm, you might have gone a bit overboard with the allegories in this one. Fascinating essay, thoroughly entertaining, but with a degree in theology, several of your referances to christian symbolism are quite specualtive. Kind of feels like you, rightfully so, saw a connection to christian themes and just ran with it.
I still had a good time though! Looking forward to the next one.
Thanks! I'd be intrigued to hear where you thought I went overboard
Not sure if all those biblical references were intentional, but it certainly works.
God bless you Storytellers! So true about black mirror haha
Interesting, but to be honest... I liked Wall-e better when not reading it as a movie about how great heterosexuality is. lol.
great video
I don't quite think the title fits, as Wall-E isn't really about trans-humanism. That said, it was still an interesting interpretation and analysis of the movie. Gave me quite some food for thought, as many of the things went over my head, but do make sense.
I need to point out that the humans aren't fat just because they're in a place where all their needs are met by technology. Though that's certainly part of it, it's explained in the movie itself that their bone density decreases over time the longer they're in space, which is true of real human astronauts which is why they don't stay for too long. Decreased bone density could make physical exercise literally impossible or too dangerous, I believe. In the clips you show we see how their bones got smaller, that's the scene where they explain the bone density issue I believe.
I'm sure the large amounts of processed foods they eat play a role as well, we don't know what their diet is exactly, but it looks like it might be a SAD, standard American diet, which is definitely helping to cause obesity in real life, since around 80-90% of weight is about the food you eat not your exercise habits. Genetics also play a big role, and the movie hints at humans starting to evolve differently I think, because of how they live, though evolution usually isn't that extreme that quickly, though in some cases we can observe changes over shorter periods of time so it may be possible.
My point is just that, all these factors play a role, and they're all technically true in real life, so I think it's important to mention them, but I get that that's not really what this video was about. Just thought I'd mention it.
Wow the american diet is called SAD how fitting
If anyone wants to watch another interesting review of Wall-E from a different perspective, check out a guy by the name of Endeavour. Really good stuff.
I thought it was a movie about PC vs MAC...
Is it “aluminium” or aluminum?
Both are correct. UK English puts the "EE" sound in the last U, American English does the "UH" sound for the last U for the word Aluminum. I believe the difference is exclusive for only that word.
I never even noticed those dates underneath the pictures of the captains. How damn good must their medical technology be if someone as overweight as Captain O'Brien, the previous captain, can 'serve' as captain for 128 years? It's not even significantly less than the 143 years that the much healthier first captain served.
You're videos are beautiful
Industrial society and its future
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I didn't expect a biblical analysis of WALL-E but dang. Color me impressed.
Anybody else think that walle was heavily inspired by fallout? Buynlarge=vault tec?
This is similar to the dune lore with the butlarian jihad
Yes. This. All of this.
Creativity end on Wall E
It's not transhumanism that necessarily causes people to be weak, simple, baby-like, whatever. But it's just a preference for comfort (over growth) and a lack of openness. There's nothing in transhumanism an sich that makes people weak, unless you have a very essentialist view of what a human is.
Just because an essay is writen and read in a serious tone doesn’t mean it’s good. How this many people can listen to this spewing of random metaphors and think it was well thought baffles me. Really? Wall-E “empregnates” eve with a plant? Thats what we are choosing to read from this movie? 😑
Y viendo desde otro lado, no les irira mejor siguiendo estando en la nave? parecia que todo iba bien, tenian una vida digna, tal vez obesos pero felizes y nunca se habla de crimen, odio o caos. Al regresar a la tierra terminan por volver a los viejos habitos, donde las voluntades chocaran y habra luchas por quien tendra la razon.
Great analysis. Now, if you'd like a real challenge... Analyze Samsara
absolutely love this movie!
the lgbtq community has been real quiet
Finally some good representation of america-
What a Masterpiece
I think l had a dream about watching this video... at the time l, understandably, thought it was pretty wierd..
Cee marshall?
To technology! The cause of, and the solution to, all of life's problems
Geez, never realized Wall-E was so sexual
hahah ikr, wall-e planting the seed in eve got me hahaha
Consumerism. Materialism is an incorrect term to use here.
no, wall-e isn't about unifying feminine and masculine, because that stuff is almost completely socially built, the unification is more about two people loving, no matter their personality and making a better world in the meantime
and seein man as leaders and women only as Fertility givers is sexist af, aside from that, your essay was great
Fertility requires both man and woman....unifying...it's called procreation lmfao
@@beyondz55 yes, but he was speaking more broadly than just procreate
Space-x
Impregnating robots....im done