Do These Insane New Guns Match Star Citizen's Gameplay?
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#starcitizen #discussion #weapons - Hry
First why is no one talking about what clearly is mines. (Nautilus soon maybe?)
But onto the reason for me posting.
I disagre. The savage arms, make more sense. When you think about how players die most of the time. We die when reloading, our gun 'jams', or when we underestimate the ammount of ammo we need.
In a way this fits with pyro, not because of scarcity of resources, but because pyro is where a lot of fights occur. If your regularly in fights where 50 clips of ammo aren't enough a bayonet makes sense. If your gun takes a long time to reload, it makes sense. If your gun jams 1/250 shots, well you get the idea.
If you have scarse resources, a gun which wastes them does not make sense. In that scenerio a gun wielder would be a status symbol. If you had scarse resources, a gun you could recharge would be preferred. But even better, a knife, sword, axe, or mace. Bows are a maybe as arrows are not always recoverable. Limited resources favor reusable devices.
Guns like depicted, show a advanced wasteland where resources are plentiful, but access to tech is there but limited. Thus they make the best with what they have. This fits in my opinion, since pyro has stanton as a neighbor.
This is a fantastic angle - thank you for the insight!
I disagree it's a neighboring system to Stanton and it's run by gangs...... bullets would simply be a higher value in Pyro. If your a gang using axes going up against a gang using guns your not going to be a gang very long. We should expect to see real guns with real ammo used by every gang not pipe guns Frankensteined together. That is very expensive and dangerous to any operator. That should be what we see on a settlement made by random guy and it be extremely rare to see being sold anywhere. If weapons are made in Pyro they should be manufactured realistically and chances are they would be weapons that Stanton would prohibit. This making a market for Pyro made guns to trade with gangs in Stanton for resources and ammo.
@@unforgivingreach I'm not sure what you think I said. But it sounds like you agree with me, but think you don't?
My point is that Pyro isn't an area of scaresity. If it were then they would be favoring axes and the like. What they are is a place with limited access to technology. On the rim of a place where its abundant.
I did not say pyro wouldn't have guns. What I said was that if resources there were truely scarse then they wouldn't have the resources to maintain disposable munitions. They would favor technology which could be easily reused.
Of all the reacts of this ISC, I prefer Voidy's version ;)
Brown nose much. 🙂
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@@sychmil Inside Star Citizen
Pyro test is just stanton with the mexico filter on
The juxtaposition of insightful commentary with "that looks like the d**k of God", uh, outbursts, is a hallmark of this channel. What good value!
The thing with Star Citizen is that it's going to be a massive game with lots of system variety. All the guns and ships looking like they're made by the same team would cause a lot of visual repetition and fatigue. Giving each system a unique brand of visual design language is vital to making locations identifiable and unique feeling. So yeah, I think the new designs are great and fit the system of Pyro perfectly.
I found the design and look of the stations in Pyro absolutely mind bogglingly incredible, but if you were to put a gun to my head and find ways to critique, I would say its a bit underwhelming that all the stations in pyro fit the exact same aesthetic.
I agree that variety is important across systems, but some inter-solar variety would be nice too! Why couldn't multiple corporations have built different types of stations throughout Pyro? Imagine stumbling upon a station that resembles Everus Harbor in Pyro, but its all delipidated and defunct? And vice versa, a pristine station from Pyro hanging out in Stanton - this seems to make sense from a design perspective where a house of digital art and 3d assets goes a lot further.
@@VoidyVids I think the current state of Pyro is more a matter of it being unfinished vs it being the final vision of a cohesive system
"The thing with Star Citizen is that it's going to be a massive game with lots of system variety."
It's claimed to be headed there.
It's not gonna be getting there.
@@TerkanTyr Cool great thanks wow such insight lol
This is one of the most well thought out and well articulated responses to this star citizen video on weapons. I couldn't agree with you more. What's the point of having this whole mad Max thing when you can just buy whatever you need at the drop of a hat.
Because that’s not how it will be eventually. This current buy anything in the store won’t be in game always. It’ll be harder.
@@Tribalwerewolf This. They made fuel and ammo abundant during the preview, but notice that all the ammo stores in the pyro preview were in the upper levels where you will need higher rep to access those areas. Meaning, most people will not have access to easy ammo caches and you will not be able to easily kit out in Pyro. It will be survival/scavenging based, unless you regularly do supply runs from Stanton.
I really enjoy these. It's nice to have balanced yet critical take on SC. The reality is that 90% of the commentary out there is either CONVINCED this shit is a total waste of money OR guys that have still not gotten over the fact that your ship can take off.
The commentary surrounding SC is so unbalanced. I cannot tell you the number of times I've seen a guy comment "Oh the developers intend for X feature to one day look like this" and you just have to step back and go "My guy, you understand that it took them a nearly decade to reskin their damage models (how things change when shot) into salvage gameplay right?". Like I get it, the game has potential, But let's ground our expectations in reality please.
The project in reality, is complex. There's a reason why it's continued to rake in millions (selling a dream plus demonstrable progress towards that dream). And there's a reason why it's nowhere near done.
A million percent agreed.
Honestly, I appreciate this refreshing take on a Star Citizen Update video. Voidy's content is always fun but the points you raise here are very fair. Ideally I would hope that come death of a spaceman things like travelling into dangerous systems like Pyro or going out to explore uncharted systems becomes rather difficult to encourage you to engage with the other systems in the game. Crafting and refinery as well as base building and trading will only work if scarcity is built into the game.
Is this asking alot? Maybe, but seeing Star Citizen has long claimed to be up for the challenge it would be very disappointing if systems like Pyro played like Stanton but with more regular PvP.
Yea I don't think its asking for alot at all - I hope this is the direction it tends to go in eventually. The aspect of danger and the potential for real loss against actual progression in the game would make this title insanely exciting for many players, both mainstream and those already part of the cult.
I think it's part of the lore, each system is going to be a different system.
I hope they change the supply systems in Pyro and other systems. The environments should affect those things. Not many people will be sending their cargo ships into the area. The environment and the people who live their aren't going to be really easy to get along with. The possibilities are amazing.
I have played off and on for a while it has only been since February of 2024 that I have spent real time playing. I have developed projects in my time nothing on this scale, the base tech seems to be working much better. They really have reinvented the wheel here.
THANK YOU! For pointing me in the directino of the "anti shooter" video, HOLY SHIT!!! This game looks amazing!!
RIGHT? It feels like GTFO had a baby with Left4Dead vs Aliens or something...
@@VoidyVids I've been asking in my head for a game like this for so long, where the player is not the center of the universe (why I like open world stuff like Star Citizen), the idea of sneaking around the background a developing battlefield is amazing, with the help of that very insightful youtuber I think they have a good chance at pulling it off too, and hopefully this will inspire more games like it!! I always say we are in the golden age of gaming, because the tools available to a small team are so powerful now.
....and that is before the absolutely amazing art direction!!! holy shit!!
(also go watch Mad God mentioned in the video)
Now this only really regards the ammo point and resupply point but it would be really cool if they tied it to the rep system. would help to explain the melee aspect. if the gangs run the system the best way to get access to ammo and repair is to work your way up. would explain the lack of these facilities to those not affiliated or working against the gangs. could be an interesting way to give criminals a sort of edge while bounty hunters or mercenaries combating the gangs would have to set up resource bases or bring stuff along with a resupply ship when we get physicalised inventory. stuff a Connie with a bunch of weapons and ammo for example. would be a fun work around compared to a full blown space survival in my opinion
So we gone from every video has a name, every ship has a name , every armor has a name , now to every weapon has a name .
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Hey Voidy, really liked your take on the visual style matching the gameplay. I think as you mentioned, if Pyro ends up having a smaller economy, less stations etc and ammo and supplies become more scarce then the styling of the melee focused weapons makes sense - it just depends if the gameplay involves more than left and middle mouse clicking. It's nice to see them basing some designs off cobbled together existing weapons as I think that would be the main source of any standard pirate gear. The space AK I'm not so sure about - I feel like we're far enough away from modern times that even the AK design would be a relic. I'm all for more content though, and I do feel that everything about Pyro should be unique at launch, even if they do go overboard with the aesthetic a little bit.
“At least it will look cool, I guess” -every realistic star citizen
I like how Pyro could be used to organically offer the PvP area vs the PvE areas. There can be a sliding scale basically like leveling up. When a noob, stay in Stanton and have very little PvP action. As you get better you can venture to other systems with less UEE presence and eventually end up skilled enough to wander into Pyro. So much better than random invisible walls that you must get your player level high enough to enter.
It will be difficult for CIG to pull off places like Pyro. As you said, it needs to be devoid of so much that is readily accessible in Stanton. Cannot have unlimited ammo at every station. Cannot have unlimited Behring P6R at every station. One day it will hopefully be possible to sell a Cutty full of them to the station and have them available for other players to purchase for high prices. But to make those new guns more than just a DIY skin of a Behring, they would need to be cheaper and less accurate than the Stanton weapons. That would give the Stanton weapons value and entice people from Stanton to try and haul the freight to Pyro. I know Voidy loves PvP, but I think Pyro will prove that most MMO players prefer PvE. I think the player count in Pyro is going to be much lower than some people expect. After the newness wears off and the risk of running cargo into Pyro is not balanced with the reward, the number of casual cargo players will reduce drastically. That is IF there are enough PvP pirates on the servers to dissuade the PvE players from entering Pyro. As it stands, the only place I typically see other players is at stations. I see way more in stations than I do in LZs. If Pyro is as empty feeling as stanton feels, then you will get PvE players to go there. If 100 pirates are sitting at the jump point and they have somehow all joined together to block any PvE cargo ship trying to enter Pyro, then you will see a reduction in the population playing in Pyro.
I want to see player counts in the systems after Pyro is finally in game. Hopefully it proves that CIG should cater less to the pirates than PvE players. Then again, knowing Chris, if he wants a PvP game and the numbers show only 10% of his players inside his new PvP system, he will still insist on following that path.
I want guns with special skins and the only way to purchase them is to grind rep with the gangs of pyro
Skins, actual weapons, components - whatever it is, we need things that are only available in-game.
Hold my double dog, when did Voidy become so factual and considered in his videos? Where's the old Voidy who lost 17 railguns an hour in epic space game piracy?
I have my moments, and they're usually on each extreme.
Recalibrating life right now to match that twitch schedule for the best Stream in the verse!
We're getting Drake-style FPS guns! Also, space capes and that AK reminds me of the Titanfall Frontier!
Love your insights on artistry and how it pertains to SC, as well as possibly how Pyro could & should play out. I definitely do not think SC should be RUST in space, but maintain the implied and intentioned hybrid balance of pseudo-sim/flight action/fps/survival-like twenty year lack of savings, bond. What a mouthful.
It apparently takes a lot of time and money to duplicate the known (and imagined) universe down to the finer details.
When people talk about the depth, breadth, and scope of this game they often forget to consider the timeline - we buy new-looking ships from a used-ship dealer (New Deal) that have purportedly been in active production for over a century but there's a uniformity to everything that would be weird IRL.
If you consider anything that we have now - there's a huge variety in even common objects. There are an easy half-dozen or more different major electrical outlet designs in use in the world; some people can pick the country of origin of a car just by looking at it.
In a vast Sci-Fi universe where you're also bringing alien tech / products into the mix - it'd be more of a wonder that you can find any two of the same thing in proximity to one another, rather than seeing any kind of excess.
There is artificial uniqueness all around us, and presumably always will be - humans hack things like it's an instinct.
I don't know if the tech exists to support one player seeing another's personally cobbled-together doohickeys in an MMO but I've already heard CIG devs kicking the idea around - you know somebody there wants to try it.
That would be the ultimate expression of this approach - My bayonet looks like this 'cause I made it myself out of a random piece of hull that I scavenged.
Would be fun if some systems is pure warzones, where you have bombers coming inn, tanks, vehicles, soldiers...UEE vs human, human vs alien, alien vs alien (Where you run blockade running missions to deliver arms and food), or part of the blockade to assist one of the alien races or humans or UEE...on the ground, in the air and in space.
once they get the reputation system working properly (soon/by 2034) pyro could become a lot more difficult.
if you can only land/repair/refuel at one faction and the other factions shoot you on sight...
and then maybe the crude weapons make more sense?
I feel item shops having limited stock would sell the pyro experience so much more. Even in Stanton it doesn’t make sense for random shops to have infinite weapons and ammo and ship components. Of course we would then need the economy to simulate ships restocking, so guess we’ll see this in two more years ™️
If they make ammo so scarce in Pyro we have to smuggle it in, that’s a huge W
Weapons have same problem like ships. We have lot of them, but still no place to enjoy them.
Also, the new weapons don't make much sense to me. Right in the next system (Stanton) there are full-fledged new weapons. I would understand modifications to existing "Stanton" guns due to lack of parts. But why a whole new series? Especially when traveling between systems is presented as a completely normal and cheap thing?
In addition, this would open up a new option with missions to smuggle weapons and parts - if there is an import embargo in the Pyro system.
And there could also be missions from the Pyro system to the Stanton system to raid weapons factories.
Also a very good point, the only thing I can think of is our player characters in the Star Citizen universe are actually a small % of people fortunate enough to be able to freely travel between systems like its nothing? I cant remember where I heard that but im sure I heard it somewhere. But still, very good points.
Bayonets just look cool. I guess they might be a brutal way to finish someone off but I'd totally want one anyway
I just want loosing to matter, I want it to seriously pang when you loose your weapons n armour. And when you loose your ship and cargo you’re seriously pissed!! We need EMOTION
Does my fist fit the gameplay.
With their goals of the game being sim like, SC has kept a really believable and/or particular semi futuristic design to weaponry, structures, ships, etc., so far. Some of these new pyro weapons look like a step towards Borderlands or Warframe and so forth, with weapons that don't even make sense and are all fantasy/magic like.
To be clear, I don't even think that is a bad thing PERONSALLY, I usually like that sort of thing, just saying, this is an unexpected direction for them and it's understandable some people might not like it. I'd have expected the more whacky designs to be reserved for alien weapons.
I'm happy to see the push back on these weapons that don't look like star citizen guns
Was there ever a moment where SC was not a design-first theme park of sci-fi and pop references? The fact that current guns look "normal" is purely an accident IMO
Like the thinking here although I'd personally prefer we didnt end up too 40k. Mind you, UEE...The Emperor Protects and all that :-).
Getting away from a gun meta (whatrver that is from patch to patch) is going to promote difference between systems, if that means jagged bayonets so be it. Aa long as we dont go too far into chain swords, power fists and bolters of course. Different weapon types will add interest and perhaps game loops. A contract to supply 100 P4s with 1000 rounds of ammunition each to a Pyro gang, because thats a stack of superior firepower sounds good. But you'll need to get good ones, not 9T "Khyber Pass" knockoffs.
Commencing recalibration of entire life
RIP to all the Squirrels born at the start at Star Citizen development!
I didn't recall, I've landed near you when I visited Pyro... 🙈
"Is it cool looking?"
"Yes"
"Ship it"
...is how I see it going at CIG
CIG has been the master of design without intent for a decade. They're just now changing that.
Well said Mr Dude.
my guess is these weapons will only drop from ai and will possibly use the same ammo as the current guns but who knows or maybe they add crafting and weapon maintenance so u have to make scrap ammo and scrap guns when in pyro Coz your gun broke or you ran out of the right ammo, so u have to make these rustic gun that use like a sketchy ammo that might randomly jam and stuff but not sure how that will all work when you could just jump back to Stanton and buy new gear and guns
Honestly if i want to play an online first person shooter, it is not Star Citizen. I believe that the priority has to be the completion of missing game loops such as industry or ship insurance and server related issues. I get that it is another team working on the FPS side of things but each company hires a limited number of people. Perhaps it will be harsh but i see recently teased new guns as wasted man hours and artifically created hype when we consider that server meshing test runs are still failing on PTU.
Thanks Voidy... I agree with your points.
I'm so tired of amateur game developers. CIG is the biggest bunch of hobbyists I've come across.
nice vid 👌
Forever Winter looks dope. Looking forward to crawling through toxic mech mud for rat meat.
We need ozzy man to dub some Sc clips for voids to cut in.
wait.. theres gameplay?
Never knew they even had a gun team, because in 12 years the guns still feel the same.
Until they achieve stabilization with the game.
More guns are nice but won’t matter if the game is unplayable.
so you want MORE murderhobo'ing in SC?
Its interesting how your channel is becoming more of a docuseries on SC development rather than goofy stuff lol
i wonder if weapons from stanton will degrade faster in pyro.
Smart
I don't get it. Did he find the Maze? What was the ship called? Was it even good?
100% agreed.
not even gonna say anything, just gonna leave my like and comment and go back to flying lol o7
yeah, who needs working servers when there are cool guns to buy^^
Stability when?
Will that bayonet be functional or just for show like the toilets in our ships...
Gib warhammer
As long as the artistic direction links to the setting, then I don't see what the problem. You're dealing with social class at this point (YOU'VE MADE IT POLITICAAAAALLL!!!11!1!) - it doesn't make sense for people living in relative poverty to rock flashy state of the art corporate guns. That's why, to be vaguely crass, we've got people in the middle east rocking AKs from fifty years ago, while the wealthier nations are testing a bunch of weaponry that literally looks like it's come out of a sci-fi convention (including a bunch of stuff that didn't work very well like the XM-8 series).
Pyro is some kind of space-themed Mad Max bit of the verse, you're probably not going to find Stanton's finest out there. More to the point, it does work - purely because it's visually tied to an idea now. Someone weilding a flashy looking machine gun could have got the thing from any of the established corporations and distributors in the more lawful parts of the setting. Someone with their duct-tape pipe gun is clearly a Pyro inhabitant.
Up until now, the visual style has been very particular because you haven't got a setting that has facilitated anything different. If I could run around Stanton and buy a pipe rifle at the big snow complex, it'd be weird and out of place.
That said, I think you've nailed a big point of the verisimilitude of the setting - if you're implying relative poverty, then you've got to sell relative poverty. If the vendors are shelling out heaps of rounds instead of knives and axes, and every lift works and the electricity doesn't die on you all the time (hows that's that load shedding going?) then I definitely think that starts to rub the wrong way.
I dare to disagree: you recognize a federation starship you have never seen as part of the Star Trek franchise. The same goes for imperial star destroyers and Star Wars, battle barges and Wh40k, etc.
If you didn't give me any context and showed me, I don't know, the Arrastra, I couldn't recognize it as anything but "generic spaceship, probably from a videogame".
Very good point!
So this is just turning star citizen into borderlands with unrealistic weapons 😂
care bears space dads, disney adults can go back to NMS
GonB
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ive disliked the trend of more fantasy instead of hardcore sci fi
Star Citizen to be "hardcore" would require the devs to move in the opposite direction from where they're headed.
Can't make it Hard-core with these spaghetti servers
I left rust for the sole reason of it ruining my life. Now I get it. Every game eventually ends up being rust at a high enough level. I love rust, but It’s humans playing it make the game a horrible experience. That’s why I hope CIG make sure only the fun & good parts are part of SC.
I say no due fact like always were missing so many things that should be in the game already but I learn this game is a joke and sad that starfield has more to do
You can’t even fly your ship in star field
No. Especially the dumb World of Warcraft looking melee weapons.
This stupid game is now just a caricature.
Post-Apocalyptic = Impoverished
Lmaooooo
Tell that to Mike Pondsmith
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YES they fit! IF we are soooo far advanced in society that we all liveon different planets and solar systems.. OVER THE YEARS there will be MILLIONS of styles of weapons So YES! NOW.. the fact that WE ONLY have a selection of what, 9 rifles? and a few sniper rifles? A few handguns? I MEAN COME ON!! CIG has made BILLIONS!! I can create a gun a day.. and I have SHIT talent with modeling!!!