Is There Hope For Star Citizen?
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Star Citizen is an in-development multiplayer space trading and combat simulation game. The game is being developed and published by Cloud Imperium Games for Microsoft Windows. Star Citizen is being led by director Chris Roberts.
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Jumptown is a microcosm of CIG not knowing what is fun and what players want. They have systematically removed all motivation to participate and have crushed skill ceilings. This is a game-wide issue.
It's always been the problem, "oh look rubbish will stay around!"
Don't care, when will you fix mission enemy AI?
"hey here's a new £400 jpeg of a ship"
Do not care, when is the economy coming in
"hey here's cargo, now you're going to have to tractor shit around yourself!"
That sounds like a step backwards tbh, when are we getting new mission types, or fixes for missions we already have?
"here's fleet week, say bye to the hopes of finding a server with an fps above 4 and hi to a showroom to sell more jpegs!"
This is why people call this game a scam, there's so little forward momentum to it and it seems geared more and more to sell ships with the promise of it being a playable game in the far future
Amen, brother. CIG devs have shown that they can occasionally get something coded up and into the game. However, they have yet to demonstrate that they know how to make a game. A bunch of tech tossed together in a pot does not constitute fun gameplay.
@@gunslingerspartan Alpha is for adding features. Refining them and making them work better comes later. And yes, I do understand that we've paid money for this.
@@quasistellar if that's what they where doing it would still be a shit timescale
They aren't really doing that, they add new ships like clockwork, they even hold the back to keep to optomised sale timings, there is no game after what, 13 years? It's a storefront with a tech demo stapled onto it, and it's not even anywhere near feature complete
Not even the game I backed for *a single player spiritual successor to wing commander* is coming for years, minimum
Well they claim that many of the Sq42 peeps have been put back into the PU work. So who knows, maybe they can start cranking some stuff out.
The most baffling thing about not addressing the dupe is they wiped aEUC for 3.23 to TEST THE ECONOMIC CHANGES. IE testing the higher prices for ships and equipment vs lowered payouts. The longer the dupe exists, the more worthless the data they gather.
They SAID they wiped aUEC to "test the economy." That does not make it true. Look at what they do, not what they say and it will make more sense.
The econ numbers they were testing are not what we imagine as players. They wanted the econ data flowing between the same simulation servers and the replication layer. The dupe didn't have much negative effect on that. May have even added value to it. I don't like it. They should fix it. But it doesn't change the fact that the way the devs view things and the way we do are two different things and always will be. We will always be disappointed when listening to them the way we do.
@@TyrusWrecksbased and grounded
VV says here that they have not fixed the Hornet or the dupe bugs in the 1.a patch and that is not true. They are both fixed.
They were/are addressing it, however it took too long and it was happening during Invuctus Launch Week so they couldn't roll out a patch even it if did fix everything.
Very truth. A lot of these issues seem like it stems from a very strict producer who bans anywork being done on anything other than 1 or 2 main goals per patch cycle. It could be how we finally started to make progress in SC development, but by what point can they ease up on that and finally look into balancing and QOL longterm?
Hey Ded! Yea, where's the tipping point? It better be soon and at a bare minimum, 4.0 needs to start taking itself seriously? Right?
4.0 to me has always been "me and some buddies have been running some headhunters missions to try and earn a cool reward, but we keep running into opposing rough n ready player crews".
The gang warfare is the perfect setup for some structured PVP and emergent gameplay.
CIG never fails to disappoint though, so I now expect the minimum from 4.0 all these years later.
I think the fact that most of your background footage was AC and Star Marine instead of PU based game play is the most telling aspect of the current situation. Multiple game loops have been rendered moot by the dupe issue.
I like to salvage panels from time to time in a Vulture but being able to sell the RMC is a gamble now and the underlying issue that allows for the dupe exploit makes the cargo grid in the ship not function properly if I do sell my first batch. It turns what was a nice relaxing alternative to other more active game play in Star Citizen to questioning whether it is worth going through all the procedures in order to play it properly or whether I should just go play some other game that provides the same sort of relaxing experience instead.
Since the patch I've only made about 250k. But of course once I heard about the duping bug and the good possibility of a wipe I've stopped trying. I don't even really login anymore. I'll just wait for them to wipe everything again, and not waste my time now.
I get 250k per ERT mission. And double that with the vulture. What missions are you playing?
@@alexc9434Better yet what missions are you doing to get 500000 a mission in a vulture, I don't make anywhere near that
Never had hope, still fun
I just wish CIG would be more honest with their talks and tell us what is really going on sometimes. If they aren't going to focus on certain bugs, that's fine but tell us why.
1 fucking billion percent dude.
This game will never be released. They just troll us. I noticed that in one of their clips. Nothing but troll and grift for more money.
Diluted Sodium Chloride Mike will be so proud of your new video effort.
They advertise it as a live service game so we expect a live service game
I hated when they started calling it that. Live service games rarely age well🤮
They jumped the gun on that one, lol. "Alpha" and "live service game" don't really go together.
@@quasistellar CIG tried acting like it was some new concept and tried explaining it how stupid does CIG take us for😐
„And remember folks, even the live environment is a testing environment” - Jared, CIG, repeating it constantly. Now when did they say it’s a finished product?
You misunderstand what they meant was it is a lip service game 😂
this patch has been brutal. I get maybe not patching the cargo exploit bug as that could be more 'involved' but no hotfix for the Hornet is insane, they said straight up it's a value on an xml that needs to be changed....
Man, later down the years. I hope they release these AC modes as a standalone free to play game, with currencies to rent the ships/parts/weapons/armors/etc. If they can flesh it out, and release it on steam, I wonder how much traffic SC would get.
That one part of was said perfectly. How certain casual types that spend most time in the store "Have a unique and entitled view of how the game will play, one day". Yup, because that was me when I purchased my Endeavor, long ago lol (still have buyers remorse😁). Yup, was the dedicated medic you mentioned😂
Hitting a home run, with this one lol 👏😊
It’s always waiting for the next patch to make all things better with this game. And it never does.
CIG does not give two craps on how enjoyable or well made any given patch is. They’ll do just barely enough so as not to affect ship sales.
most patches move things fowards and backwards at the same time, that's all. And the better the game gets, the less acceptable bugs feel.
oh boy. the amount of pain that hornet bug has caused the for the pilot pvp players. wont be fixed till .2...
Its fixed in the ptu what are you on about
@@mhk9131 The fuel bug?
Completely agree!
The wipe really felt more like ' a Invictus sale move' then a economy test.
I think most devs are already on 4.0 planned around citizen con hopefully. Accompanied by a full wipe!
I entered yesterday after months of not playing, decided to just do a easy investigation mission which ended with me falling through the planet and that made me alt+f4. See you in few months
Well that’s unlucky, I’ve somehow never managed to fall trough the world and I’ve been playing quite a bit since 3.22. Closest I’ve gotten is getting stuck in an object or glitching trough a window by actively trying to do it.
It’s so strange how different the gameplay experience is from person to person. Hope you’ll have better luck next time.
a lot of that has to do with ping and desync. But you have not done many DC missions then because it seems like the floors in those are made with swiss cheese.
@@Power5 funny that you mentioned Swiss cheese, since I’m Swiss. Also I’ve done quite a few DC missions where I also took a lot of hidden passage ways and alternative routes with no problem.
@idkusername2795 Funny that you are living in Switzerland because I'm living there too 🤣
@idkusername2795 It happen to me in the elevator and when I played before 3.22 I fell multiple times especially at Orison when it was bugged. Honestly I don't have a lot of time to play so when that happens it ruins my day
Oddly enough, Rappel and Pickers Fields are almost like organic jumptown right now. The problem is everyone gets rich way to quick and so can't be bothered playing any more
Great vid mate, CIG definitely need a live services team that monitors the game and reacts immediately to major issues like this.
The fact they allow prison to be broken and duping to be allowed is insane
Hey Voidy.
Just a little correction: the Cargo duping fix is in .1A including one or more exploit fixes as well. They just don't put these fixes on the changelog to prevent further spread of exploit info by themselves.
see you in the verse.
I hope you are right but I've heard the opposite unfortunately.
You are 100% spot on. I am really beginning to wonder if the thousands of IRL dollars I've spent are going to amount to deeply engaging game play. 😮
As a dedicated cargo hauler, I've noticed the increasing popularity of piracy as a gameplay feature. Surprisingly, I don’t mind it-piracy adds an exciting dimension to the game. However, there's a major concern that needs addressing: the unfair advantage pirates have when they attack traders in areas without comm stations. Currently, these attacks often go unpunished, and it's frustrating to be repeatedly ambushed by players this way and not being able to retaliate.
To enhance gameplay fairness and balance, I propose an innovative solution: equipping the Cutlass Blue with a 10-20km comm station range. This would allow traders to hire Cutlass Blue pilots for protection. The presence of a Cutlass Blue could enable traders to send out a distress signal with a single button press during an attack, providing a fair chance for assistance. This feature would add a strategic layer for both traders and pirates, where pirates would need to first disable the Cutlass Blue to prevent the distress signal from being sent.
Incorporating this idea could significantly improve the gameplay experience. Traders would feel more secure, knowing they have a viable means of calling for help, while pirates would face a more balanced challenge. If the pirates manage to disable the Cutlass Blue, the gameplay reverts to its original state, maintaining the risk and excitement of piracy.
This solution not only enhances fairness but also enriches the game’s strategic depth. It's a win-win for both cargo haulers and pirates, fostering a more engaging and dynamic in-game environment.
What do you think?
CiG should listen to you, every point you make is so valid brother
Cheers Yaz hope you good dude!
I wonder how much of current funding is going to pay for NDAs with previous developers.
Dude, we never got to see if you won that gun game match in the background.
I haven't had any issues with star citizen in a few weeks also I haven't had time to play in a few weeks 😂
3.21.1a is actually fixing both duplication and the hornet now I believe
2nd time I've heard this mentioned, im starting to believe!
Content engagement, since I don't have much to add that you haven't already said.
Content engagement comment respected.
All hail the algorithm.
Algorithm be praised!
I'm mostly playing solo cause I don't have an Org or really people to play with so I'm not really effected me but your points really make sense and I get the frustration.
dealt with shit like this in other games too.
I love that some people of the community try to actually hunt those players down that exploit the duplicate bug but sadly that ain't enough and the economy is probably fucked already.
6:40 Bro... I was so excited about your kill on SaltyMike I totally forgot what you were talking about.
10 years and 750 million and we have a space truck simulator that feels like its a clunky arma mod. I enjoy watching the game's development but I feel bad for initial backers all those years ago.
I mean the "initial" backers will see the progress the game has made since the beginning, as initially you couldn't even undock and just walk around in a hangar.
...But Void Dude.... ....it´s an Alpha ...you´re an unpaid Tester !!! ....not a Gamer playin a Game
but if you buy then you already know you’re a tester and you agree to unpaid testing
The only company where the testers pay the company!
@@Goyahkla100 I mean there’s tons of games from tons of company that are in “Early access” where you pay, and test the game in Alpha or Beta. Whole point of early access is the game isn’t done
They knew this bug was in the PTU yet they still pushed it out for Invictus week. That shows where their priorities are. The Store Page. As a Friend and new player said recently "Store Citizen"
It's hard to have hope when they give so few fucks about their product, to be honest. The overwhelming narrative right now is "3.23 started good but has completely fallen the fuck apart, what is going on" and CIG have been essentially 100% silent about live, its performance, and their intentions. They've prioritized a broken event over fixing the duping and seem determined to not even acknowledge the reality of live or the concerns of their playerbase. Absolutely myopic, hope-crushing behavior from the studio rn.
to be honest, once they hotfixed the constant server crashes ive been having silkly smooth play sessions with no complaints.
The event is about testing server load with high player pop density. It’s a high priority, and is not just random stupidity like you and many others assume
@@kwa42 yeah, we've all heard this shit and it'd carry a lot more water if it wasn't blatantly tied to the overdrive marketing event and if they hadn't been bragging about getting their highest ever concurrency last month-- something this is unlikely to match.
@@nosir5596 damn, good point actually. Totally forgot about overdrive still missing the finally. Sales department really is running the show huh
@@kwa42 Pretty much, lol. Easiest explanation for why XT was more important than getting the dupe fixed. Someone should've told them MMOs wrap up a storyline months later all the time and that this could've waited till 4.0, I won't even be surprised if xt needs yet another pass for server meshing compatibility or something in the near future.
Jumped in this weekend after not playing for awhile. Bunker mission and AI still getting stuck in spawn closets or falling through the floor. I think I'm insane, I don't know why I thought it would be any different.
" I'm not the target view base anymore" I felt that.
But Voidy, they are fixing the dupe in the .a patch, they just don't include comments about specific exploits in the patch notes. Maybe it's too late if they don't wipe AUEC again but they are fixing it, and have already done so in the PTU version.
For an MMO, they have a serious lack of admins on servers...
It's not an MMO yet. It's still in alpha. The server meshing tech needed to make it an MMO isn't even in the game yet. There are thousands of servers since each only has 100 players max until server meshing is put in (which btw is this fall).
@@csdigitaldesignbut is it though? Cargo update was this spring too lol
@@csdigitaldesign Fair enough but doesnt change the fact that an admin or 2 would help a lot for things like duping considering the wait time between patches - Call an admin, kick the duper for a week, delete the ships - Everyone else wins
@menez031 too many dupers to stop. Literally half of each server seemed to be duping.
@dericclark6553 not an MMO at all and the cargo update has not come yet. An MMO = massive multiplayer online...100 players does not make it an MMO. It will be once we get server meshing and they start increasing the player numbers per shard.
They want to bring the game to a point where it’s a big thing. That won’t die.
They introduce ways to break things to “see what happens” and it ultimately works against them because the testers(backers) end up walking away for a while. And as someone who plays every patch. I do end up walking away for a good while, because it’s not what they visioned it to be as well as myself.
When everything is broken in different ways every iteration. I can’t feel like things are consistent I can’t treat it like a game. But rather a varied experience doesn’t mean anything.
I love star citizen. I love seeing the progress. I’m here for it through and through. But I’m not enthusiastic lately…. And anyone who knows. Can understand why….
Thanks Voidude. I loaded SC up during Invictus and have been struggling to understand what this flaming dumpster fire of coding actually is supposed to be. Finger crossed, but I am not opening my wallet until Chris delivers something AT LEAST as good as Wing Commander.
Another great video Voidy. I agree with most of it.
100% exploit free patches? never going to happen, atleast not until after live release. But that's what live servers are for, finding the most amount of bugs and exploits that the evo and ptu miss.
700m funding, split between two games, multiple offices worldwide, big name actors in mocap, 100s of high skilled/wage employees...over 12 years....I doubt CIG are as flush with cash as alot of people believe.
Anyone remember when CIG said the reason they were building all these tools, like the river tool, was so they could produce star systems at a rate of one per month? Well they can't fix a single duplication glitch in a month. That should tell you everything you need to know about CIG's ability (or rather, lack thereof) to stick to any sort of timetable. Sure, one is writing code while the other is mostly art assets, but the point stands.
Beyond that, I'm going to pat myself on the back and say that I was absolutely right about Master Modes when I said it wouldn't make the game better. Even the usual white knights on Spectrum have mostly stopped arguing with "haters" about that one now. When J3PT and Capt. Mal - who actually defended the ROC-DS - stop fighting for you, you know you've f*cked up. CIG can and does never admit to failure, but they need to. It's going to be even more awkward than usual, since they've said SQ42 is "feature complete" and also said MM has been in SQ42 for over 2 years, so if they ditch MM in the PU they're going to have some explaining to do about SQ42. But that's exactly what they need to do. And frankly, they need to leave MM (albeit with some tweaks) in SQ42 because it actually seems like a decent - not great, but decent - flight model for a singleplayer game. It just happens to be total sh*t for a wide open PvP MMO.
Star Citizen has a lot of potential. But I fear it's never going to realize it until Chris Roberts is somehow removed from leadership and replaced with someone who can develop a master plan and then get the company to stick to that plan, two things CR has, very very obviously, never even tried to do.
Master modes would be a cool gimmick in a single player game but oh god it's so atrocious and just not fun combat isn't about skill as much anymore.
100% agreed. I had a lot of fun during 3.22. This patch has mostly been depressing, so far. Getting stuck in prison for 22 hours while oxygen is bugged was the last nail in the coffin for me. I managed to escape but it took me many tries. Not fun. Hope they fix the major bugs introduced in 3.23 soon.
I threw a med ursa rover in my drake corsair and lived out of the corsair for 3 IRL days straight, about 30 hours of gameplay. I had to put SC down when summer classes started about a week ago but it was absolute fun. I even got my friend afk from SC for 3 years to play with me for about 3 hours and we had a blast together. Can't wait to jump in next month!
umm next month..well it may not be next month. The clowns are not equipped to fix the game. They haven't even started working on (fixing) hangars. It's all hands on deck for XT.
My life is too busy to really care about the dreadful state of CIG not fixing bugs that I seriously don't care about. My sympathy to the handsome viewers that are plagued by unfortunate thought.
Come lay 3.23 they said.... Come Explore they said...
CIG's business model has always been the biggest threat to their project. At this point, it actively harms development and the player experience. All of these mass exploits have exploited ship's magical respawn. Implement actual ship death, no magic respawn, no clumsy code trying to figure out what parts of a ship to respawn to exploit.
My other concern is a LOT of people are under the impression that server meshing is the silver bullet to solve all the bugs. Not gonna fix your ship falling through the DC on MT for eg
I believe games that are widely available to the public are not technically alphas. Saying so is just a coping mechanism at best.
there are 2 types of player in SC:
Those who shoot c2s
those who shoot at people shooting c2s
Every aspect of this game, in this patch, revolves around duping RMC.
You wanna pirate? go where they buy the RMC
you wanna pvp? go where people are pirating RMC buyers
you wanna trade? go buy RMC
bounty hunt players? they'll be down where the RMC is bought
Salvage? can't sell it, just go buy RMC
Mine? refinery terminals not working, better go dabble in RMC.
I think, after all these years, we've seen that CIG doesn't care what happens in a patch, not at all, even to the point where devs have come out and said "nah, i don't care about current state; it'll be fixed in future"
The Truth has been spoken
im honestly sick of losing my ships every patch, i wake up in the morning when there was a patch over night that i didnt know about, get in game and any ships i didnt go somewhere and store the night before are gone.... lost my reclaimer, c2 and i think my a2 is probasbly gone now too, im just so sick of it, youd think theyd fix something like that by now... not to mention they wiped everyones money and hiked the ship prices up to see how fast everyone would start earning stuff(which is fine i expect early access to do stuff like that)....but then just left a bug where people can dupe cargo and make millions easily.... AND THEN JUST LEFT IT IN THE GAME?..... youd think that would be an INSANT hotfix or roll back.. literally ruins the ONLY gameplay loop there is in the game(making ueac). just cant understand what they are doing over there tbh. after the free fly i kinda lost interest, really feels like a single player game right now.
well made video and commentary. my personal oppinion:
THEY DO NOT CARE. They have no interest whatsoever in any fun and engaging actual gameplay at all. all they are interested in is making money -> selling stuff.
the sad truth - for me - is : the engine is outdated, the gameplay elements are designed by amateurs in regards to actual engaging gameplay and the overall design philosophy is looks comes first. actual game related function -> engaging gameplay loops - is all but an afterthought.
and their "test on ecomomic changes" was just to incentivize players to cash out real money because buying ships ingame takes way too long otherwise.
now that their sale is finished and they racked up their best month ever, they have no incentive to really care about anything that actually goes on the stuff they claim is still an alpha.
Defenitely feels this way most of the time, however I do hold out hope that a lack of server meshing is preventing alot of stuff from taking shape - as always, lots of potential and time will tell.
Your vids are a great entertainment! Keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do!
Star Citizen has nothing but hope. I wish we had some more content tbh.
This last month was the most painful star citizen iv ever played and I was a daily player...
couldnt have said it better voidy!!
right now, i dont care too much about the new features coming. Fix the bugs in the game and improve the stability. the game is currently in a state that is completely playable with all the main loops implemented already. If exploits are found they should be fixed as soon as possible and some wallets rolled back depending on the bug.
the game is in a state where it "could" be released as is. Fix it. Then add more.
If they released this it would die in months. I love SC but it's nowhere near releasable.
I just started my 1st delivery mission today just to experince that my airship only slips in atmosphere instead of pulling up and plunge into the ground at 200 m/s
Around the 7 - minute mark you make a good point, dude. Current gaming and new games are in a more than atrocious state and not very appealing for older farts like us anymore. SC went out there promising it would be the GAME-game, that you'd game so hard, old-school. But alas, here we are...
Ill add to your previous comment section:
Every single session of SC ive had in the last 2 weeks has always ended up with my ship exploding for no fckn reason.
Can barely scrape cash to buy a single in game ship. Its fckn miserable. No one is buying RMC currently.
So I guess Ill come back in 3 or 4 months
Damn that absolutely sucks man, sorry bro :(
700 Mil
Devs don't know git cherry-pick
j/k hoping they sort this out soon. I miss my motivation for my ludicrous space game
CIG would do well to reset servers often and have better clean up tech for all servers not just US and EU ones. No point playing until the next wipe for me since on the AU I lost so much stuff on that server in the 1st few days I can't afford ammo and can't trade or do bunkers because dupers and that was on top of having to remap my hotas again for zero reason as far as I can see.
"Wake up honey! There's a new batch of hot mess Xenothreat ready to crash servers for no reason at all!"
Nailed it voidy! The dupe will be excuse for full wipe soon imo.
When you fought in the charity event what did you name your ships? All good ships have a name.
I know its still an very unpopular opinion but i so wish they would do a whole wipe again.
Agree
I personally think there should be wipes every major patch for at least money and ships. If reputation can be preserved then great, but it's not that important.
A game like Tarkov for instance has a wipe two or three times a year and you have to start from fresh each time. It actually works really well and there is far more progression there to lose.
@@demonicsquid7217 I think there is more fun to be had with wipes.
From my perspective, CIG wants very expensive ships that you work forever (in-game) to get… which is fine but once everyone has their “end game ships”, imo it leaves everything dull.
Tarkov for example: late into wipes, everyone has the best stuff. After a wipe, you see people using the lower tier items again.
In Star Citizen right now, look at all the C2 ships flying around… imo it’s boring and stale. It would be nice to have a cycle where you see smaller cargo ships flying around because not everyone in the server has the current best in class ship.
That’s from a gameplay perspective though… and idk where the “space simulator” and “space game” line is for star citizen. I imagine they want it as realistic as possible, so your ships magically disappearing doesn’t fit in there.
CIG absolutely should be deploying hotfixes in between official patches. Every other development studio do so, as they should, and the dev response speed of tackling unexpected/unforseen issues and exploits, instils confidence and trust in the community. Why must it always take a decade for CIG to learn lessons or listen to their backers?
You hit the nail on the head, and why I haven't played more than a couple hours a week since the patch came out. Excusing everything as "it's an alpha" to themselves does them no favors when half the reason this patch came out was to do economy stuff. What the hell is going on over at CIG? "They have our money, they have our time, and they have our dedication." IM BEGGING YOU, CIG; USE IT!
Since joining the game in Alpha 3.6, I have never been more disappointed than patch 3.23, everything I have previously loved has been changed for worse, "Lets change every motherflipping keybind again, break more missions, and ruin trading". As far as i can tell, there is nothing more to this game anymore but a glorified NFT.
3.23 has been a huge disappointment. The desire to get XT out is becoming more frustrating to me as well. XT will most likely be like the last several attempts of running it and will be a dumpster fire. It seems the good will from last years CitCon is disappearing quickly.
I also think the issue you are adressing is critical. Gameplay has not evolved much the past years. I want a working economy to test out. It is the reasonal next step to work on now when the starmap i fixed, right? 😊
You know what the funny thing is the cargo exploit was even on eptu and probably was there for a long time while reported. I was able to make millions on it with eptu and on live its still the same. How couldn't they notice the feature guess no devs trade.
Yeah, my friends and I realized this weekend that this game is mostly a boring time sink. All the time wasted between the small handful of fun** or broken gameplay loops.
**smooth-brain dogfighting, the slow suffering of selling cargo at cities, the one optimal way of salvaging being finding and scraping the same 3 scrap models, etc.
Having an ongoing cargo dup is insane. I guess they are testing to see if servers can handle a dup….😀
someone please share me the moustache brush
Every major patch is like this. The game is usually better 6 month after.
I couldn’t agree more, but as you said CIG knows their audience, and this game has way too many fans who blindly throw money at whatever new jpeg CIG draws up while making every excuse possible for basic elements of the game not functioning after 12 years. Just look at what happened to their funding numbers after the Ironclad went on sale. The servers are melting down and nearly unplayable, and half of the subreddit for the game is just people posting fleet pics.
I enjoy the industrial game play aspect of the game - mining & salvaging. They've nerfed the latter and right now cargo running and duping seems to be the current meta. Why grind when you can literally cheat? Anyhow, haven't played since the new version dropped. Gonna hold out until things become more reasonable.
Been waiting 2 weeks for a response on a log in bug. Hope was lost years ago. Still fun when i can play it tho.
In good video game progression is everything. It'is little bit sad, that we have only money progression.
100% agree
Exactly SC it's the only game left that gives some excitement for some of us, anything new is just meh, but after 700mill and some times can't even take off with your Corsair cause there's some invisible thing preventing it, can't finish a simple box delivery mission cause it won't update, I've been finding myself opening the launcher, staring at it and just close it to do something else
i doubt that the cargo dupe bug has a quick fix, as its likely related to how they have laid the groundwork for fully physical cargo handling. So they cant back it out of the patch, they can only plug forward.
fully anticipating at least an aUEC wipe with 3.23.2 and cargo patch. would be ok with a full wipe as well at this point, as it will finally show them how weak the earning power of all the loops are when everyone just fully quits the game because its a literal waste of time to grind through bounties for 5k each when we could be out touching grass instead.
If it doesn't affect ship sales there is no reason to fix it. Welcome to the fundraiser.
That doesn't make sense.
The duplication bug allows many to purchase in game ships very quickly, and would absolutely effect store sales.
But it isn't fixed.
@@festersmith8352 In-game ship sales do not impact sales of ships not yet available and as we all know it is the sales of unavailable ships that produce the greatest revenue.
I reported 95% of the bugs still in the game 5-6 years ago. CIG do not care about you they don't care about the game they do care about revenue streams though which is why they can fix a issue within 10 minutes if it effects cash flow long term bugs that have plagued the game never get fixed... they say they fix them but they don't actually do it.
I was about to come back and try 3.22 but think i'll pass, if 4.0 hasn't progressed enough my 11 years of support are finally done it was aa great idea but my confidence left the building a while ago
What we don't need - right now - is another JT.
What we don't need right now - and not really until they can make it work - is another attempt at the madness-defying experiment that is XT.
What we definitely don't need right now, and not ever, is Ugly Viewers.
SC has, to my untrained eye, reached the point where they're at least trying - or hoping - to attract non-Maze addled self-flagellation enjoyers to start "playing" this (ludicrous space) "game".
If that is so, then they do need to address - right now - game-breaking fuckwittery like duping. If they cannot do this via the summary execution of perpetrators, then they need to devote some dedicated resource to bug-bashing hot-fix patchy-patchy activities, alongside, but isolated from (as far as possible) ongoing development. Otherwise this tipping point will be more like a cow tipping point, and no-one needs that, especially not the space cows.
The problem, of course, and as any Liverpool supporter will attest, is that It's The Hope That Kills You. The Hope. And the invisible rocks. And the desync. And the quixotically fragile hover bikes.
Oh, and the lifts.
Ugly viewers… disgusting.
Ralph the Wonder Lama of Wisdom bro, all good points have a commentor. Though I don't think we need another JT, I think we need a JT with incentive. Lots of incentive.
Have you ever seen Modest Pelican?
He's the reason I drink water.
@@VoidyVids I like you than :) Thanks for bringing you to Star Citizen!
Could swear the dupe bug is fixed in the 1a patch right now.
You are correct for the most part. Ok, so there is the "The Alpha" thing trotted out. What about when it ain't an Alpha anymore, but say, an Open Beta? Is the excuse to be "it's a Beta"?? Well if and when it hits that "Beta" point, the indulging of "we will get to it when we get to it" should be not BE INDULGED anymore. That's ok for patching, that's ok for building the next System to accompany a patch, that's ok for working out a game loop, or mission type or exploring a proposed feature set, BUT it's not ok for bug fixing, exploit fixing and it's deffo NOT OK when it breaks the game sufficiently badly to discourage actual player engagement. Star Citizen is on the cusp of actually being something, and if CIG are not careful, that cusp will pass it by and it will be too little too late time by the time they realize it.
I assume 23.2 needs to come with a fix for duping and an aUEC wipe, or it's pointless
One player just sent me 500K because I helped him with Xenothreat Incursion 😅 I could fully kit out my Corsair and I think I"m good for the next Bounty hunting missions rn 😂
But I stored away the Corsair since I got that F7A MK2 Upgrade Token and upgraded my F7C...having so much fun flying that thing ❤
while it's frustrating I would rather they focus on developing the game while we still have this completely messed up long-term persistence. I think 4.0 forward they should be a bit more careful though. I'm really hoping within the next 2 to 3 years we start to see more gameplay depth then farming uec to buy bigger ship, has this gameplay looked by itself doesn't actually Force organizations to fight one another over resources or any sort of limitation.
vertical progression is needed on some level
You kept saying 3.18, did you not mean 3.23?
This is 2.23?
Well put my friend!!!!
Been playing Cities Skylines 2 this patch
I have had an absolute blast doing bounties in master modes when the servers are not dog shit. HRTs in my 325a is the most fun i have had in Star Citizen. My Connie is pulling in like 1-3m an hour doing ERTs. Half the Star citizen community would have you believe HRT is not even possible in the 325A and there is no money in bounty hunting at all. Its crazy reading some of these comments.
The last model was not fun, it was way too easy. Just felt like shooting fish in a barrel most of the time. Its finally fun to bounty hunt and im watching the community riot over it. I just dont get it. I cant tell if its people genuinely struggling or the last patch being so easy people have unrealistic expectations on what ships should be capable of.
Will be very interesting to see how CIG responds if at all. Im taking a break until they fixe the damn dupe killing server performance.
I hated doing combat in the past. It wasn't fun shooting at a reticle in space.
Had my first MM fight the other night, and actually enjoyed it.
I fought the opponent for best position. I could see the ammo hitting the hull of my opponent. I wasn't relying on a cross hair animation. And I could actually focus on a weak point of the ship to kill it, without using precision targeting.
Of the dozen or so unprovoked engagements I have had, and had to run from, for being way out gunned, I have survived all of them. With no shields or weapons available to do so.
Hope?
Yea.
But I wouldn't bet a dime on it after MM
"Six months to 4.0" ha you know better than that. It'll be stripped of all that makes it worth it and a little late or stripped of half of its contents and late by a year.
Is it wrong for me to enjoy watching others play / rage / exploit / star citizen , than actually play the game anymore?
No wrong way to enjoy SC!
Actually, they had a "fix" for the exploit out really quickly. But it unfortunately opened up a couple server-crashing bugs that those who pathologically hate MM were hammering to try and force CIG to revert MM back. Remember that short period where the server started breaking every 15 minutes? Yeah. That was the MM haters committing criminal acts. "Really nice game there. Shame if something happened to it." So they had to roll the hotfix back until they could fix everything.