Boston Dominates, Can Wolves Respond? + Cavs Fire Bickerstaff 👀 | The Hoop Collective
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- Brian Windhorst is joined by ESPN's Tim Bontemps and Tim MacMahon to react to the Celtics dominating the Pacers, the concern surrounding Tyrese Haliburton’s injury, what the Mavs are doing so well if the Wolves can respond, why Minnesota was so tired in Game 1 and what the future of the Cavs looks like after the team fired coach J. B. Bickerstaff.
0:00 Welcome back to the Hoop Collective
1:30 Celtics Dominate Pacers In Game 2
15:00 Can The Wolves Bounce Back?
40:30 Reaction To Cavs Firing J. B. Bickerstaff
48:42 Thanks For Watching!
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Bontemps is 100% right about Ant. He's going to get there, but this is his first run, and his shooting in some of these games has been shaky. Tatum, for all the complaints, has been doing it for more than five years and has been winning. It's a good debate, but all the Ant hype needs to just slow down a bit.
Yea but unfortunately now you not allowed to criticize ant or your deemed a hater or racist or you don’t know basketball 😂
For all the hating people do on TB he is the most direct and honest of the group with the best insight as to where things are going. Sure he is prickly but I will take that over BW being the carnival barker who travels from ESPN show to ESPN show with the same 2-3 talking points. TB also makes for a good foil for BM 's humor as without someone who is button down straight laced BM's humor would be even more smarmy
Bobby Marks picked the Pacers in this series. Let’s not forget that 😂
Wow. He's just trying to be a contrarian.
@@MrOctober44He’s still bitter the Celtics fleeced him in that trade with the Nets 😂
@@nicholaseaster58 lol. I was going to say this proves why he's not working for a team now with that kind of talent evaluation.
Bobby seems like a nice man but is boring and really brings nothing to the table unless you are obsessed by cap machinations ( and even then he rarely gets the outcome right}
Jaylens answer about being overlooked is quite literally what you are doing on this video. you are completely ignoring how good he's playing and talking about nonsense. if Ant did what he did it would be world news
Part of it is Ant's age. He's only 22. Jaylen is in the absolute prime of his career and has been a very good player for a long time. The Celtics have been very good for awhile. To be fair, the East is nowhere near as good as the West. On top of that, The Celtics have also lucked out with injuries to their opponents. I'm sure they would have won regardless, you beat a team with no Butler and Rozier, then a Cavs team with no Allen and no Mitchell for half the series and now Haliburton is out. Kind of takes The shine off.
Playing a team that wouldn't make the play-ins in the west lmao
@@donmike2810 Agreed. Let's see how good he is against The Wolves/Dallas. I would have loved to have seen a healthy Heat squad play the Celtics
Brunson had 40 against the same team and he was the second coming of jesus lmao relax
Apparently you didn't listen to the podcast. Bontemps rips Ant for about two straight minutes at 24:00
People won't give Boston credit for their record because they think the Eastern Conference was weak. The Celtics went 23-7 against the Western Conference this season.
41-7 against the east is crazy
Still bringing up that pre-thanksgiving T-wolves regular season win during the CONFERENCE FINALS is actually insane
The thing is, you can say that Jaylen Brown is borderline all-NBA, but given that the Celtics were 10 wins up from everyone, it is crazy that the suns and the lakers have two players, and the Celtics don't.
I think Brown is just more upset that he had 1 teammate on All-NBA 1st Team and 2 on the All-defensive team. Especially when he's the one scoring the ball when Boston needs a bucket AND defending the best player on the other team in the playoffs so far.
Thats true
Jrue Holiday is the glue for the Celtics. They could possibly win the title without Porzingus, but not without Holiday's all around play. That round about swap the Bucks pulled to get Liliard is looking like a dog of a move for them.
the friendly banter at the start made me chuckle, awesome way to start the pod! haha happy friday
Windy is sick at not being able to clown the Celtics lol
“Hey did you ask any good questions today? “ Lmaoo that’s great. Love the vibes in the room.
The best downhill player in the NBA is Jaylen Brown. Has been for a while. He has the best combination of speed and power in the entire league at the moment
False id say bron still is because he can playmake going downhill as well. JB has blinders when he drives lol
@@dominick742 yeah maybe like 10 years ago.. but since you're in 2024 is Jaylen Brown.
@@dominick742 play you just said LeBron James just. LeBron James could barely beat his man off the dribble. I was really just talking about scoring but even if we factor in playmaking it's still not LeBron James LeBron James is the past move on my guy.
@@TheRealMRGG85 you must be JB family 😂 dude ain’t even make all nba over 40 year old bron but yet you say he is the past
Ppl need to stop believing Ant is the same type of athlete as MJ. He can’t consistently out athlete elite rim protectors. Prime MJ used to dunk 3-4 times as much and Jonathan Kuminga dunks once every 14 minutes it’s once every 41 for Ant. He’s a freak athlete no doubt but very far from the most dynamic rim finisher in the league like ESPN ppl claim, that’s definitely Giannis and it’s not remotely close. Ant’s game is a blend of shooting, ball handling and elite athleticism but he’s not like MJ he will have to find a balance not just driving in full force all the time like MacMahon is suggesting
N to be frank, Jaylen Brown may be a better “player” than Ant when it comes to scoring the ball+athleticsim mix. Ant is great, but he gets a lot of his buckets due to the overall defensive success of his team, they go on them runs and he has the chance to explode. But in half-court offense, he has a lot to learn-and he will, but with time, to be super consistent scoring wise. His consistency is on the defensive end right now, don’t care how many points he averages.
We really on here talking about bonuses and money when it should always come down to play? Is he serious? N see, this is how they think. “well, we got him a bonus last year, so let’s give another it this year”. Huh? This is why the media having a sayso on votes is unbelievably bad
There shouldn’t have been 2 Lakers or Suns, the 6th and 7th seeds, over the #1 overall seed that was 7 wins ahead of everyone.
Exactly 💯
Love that we're getting Vindy and The Tims more often lately!
Pray for whoever the Celtics play in the finals because they're probably also going to be injured.
😂
no one give af
Haliburton injured himself, dude. Tell me that you didn't watch the game without saying that you didn't watch the game. lmao
@@nerdiestvengiest5858 🤷🏾♂️ I think you might be reading more into the statement than is actually there. Tell me your reading comprehension is low without telling me.
The Celtics can't control who gets injured. Before Halibuton's injury, his play was lackadaisical anyways so the results would have been the same. Pacers never realistically stood a chance against Boston. Game 1 was their shot to make it a somewhat intriguing series but they blew it. People are just making it a thing because there's nothing else to talk about other than the Celtics winning this series handedly in 4 or 5 games with or without Haliburton. I predicted 5 before the series even started.
Is bontemps in a holding room? Lol
Media is talking about injuries and never mention KP… with KP the Celtics would only have 1 loss
That is quite literally an unprovable statement
Mate cmon. Celtics are the favourites to win the east by far. They have a really good team. Only problem I've heard about the celtics is that they switch off sometimes and have a few turnovers.
Anointing someone way to soon....wolves beat the team they were BUILT to beat...oh and the sun's who everyone knew where hugely deficient. I want the wolves to beat the mavs..im a celtics fan...I'd take facing ant and Kat over doncic and Kyrie any day.
If your apologizing for being mistaken that ant beat tatum worse than tatum beat him it does a disservice to say celtics need fave tattoos to remember boxscores. When fanboydom overrides commonsense you anoint a 22 year old who hasn't won anything as the next Jordan. I like antman but the weeks of one sided takes is getting hard to listen to.
Espn doesnt even try to hide their disdain for boston...
26:23 I was one of those people that called out MacMahon earlier in the week about Tatum & Ant's second meeting during the season and while I can say I don't have spinning shamrock tattoos, I do live in ShamrockLand 🍀and the blood pressure is plenty high. Point was made, Tim admitted his amnesia and all is good in the world. 😎👍
"Oh Oh Oh Oh no i don't!"
"McMahon's brilliance is not recognized enough."
"I agree."
Best line was " whose handwriting was it " . TB and BM make a good team as TB being so button down and direct makes him the right foil for BM's humor and without that combo we would stuck with BW whiny apologist talking points
Devin Bookers the one who should have been snubbed he had no business making a team
Jaylen Brown is slept on.
No he’s not. He can’t dribble left and their team is stacked. East is a cake
When your team is stacked it’s not hard to get overlooked
@@Alexodeya6925Casual alert 😂😂😂
@@asnsensation been watching since you were in diapers. The fact that you can’t admit Boston is stacked means you aren’t well rounded in the basketball scene.
He's a good player, but he's a black Israelite, so he's a trash person.
Lively has been a God send for us all season. He’ll develop into a better overall center but he shouldn’t be rushed. He practices other parts of his game in practice but he isn’t comfortable away from the rim yet shooting wise. Mavs/Nico did a great job in scouting and picking him.
27:00 jesus christ are we already talking about the celtics AGAIN 😂
I hope all the Boston stans are still with us in a few weeks when they lose in 5 to Dallas…
What tim bonknicks gonna say now?? Hater 🤣🤣
Bontemps is 100 percent right bout ant and him being crowned better than guys prematurely, literally McMahon just said he may be the best downhill attacker in the nba. Like giannis retired. I'm sick of it, hes amazing but he's 22 let's calm down
Can we get a one episode only Tim McMahon and the hoop collective revamp due to the hotel room situation
Boston will sweep them.
Haliburton or no, Pacers defense been terrible all season.
Tatum and/or Brown will have close to 40 every night.
1st game Tatum 36. 2nd game Brown 40. Sweep is coming then on to get #18 🍀🍀🍀
Respect to the Pacers. We got a good draw to get to the ECF, and almost won game 1. If we pull this off, Carlisle will be goated, but it’s not looking too good. Carlisle is playing the injury, and thinking about the Knicks in hindsight. He is evaluating. Pacers need a bigger, more mobile defender. Naz Reid… Reggie Perry type build. If Obi could slide those feet, it’d be him.
I'm just going to say, the Timberwolves swap Anthony Edwards with Tatum and they def lose against the Nuggets. If you swap Ant with Tatum I would pick them to win the Finals no matter what.
You’re moving on my list Bontemps
“It makes me feel under 6 foot” 😂
McMahon cooked in this episode
I live for the first 5 minutes of this pod
So let me get this straight Ant was a lock averaging 26 this season but JB was borderline averaging 27 last season?
A lot of voters don’t deserve it but bontemps does
Funny how everyone wants to talk about how easy the road is this year but the year they made it to the finals, they went to two GM 7s, beat KD, Gianni's & Butler than had to face Steph but get no context for that series. Also any media members excusing Brown not making an All NBA or at least All Defensive this year are part of the problem.
Jaylen Brown is exposing Tatums superstar status
He is playing for the team results not his own personal results he takes what they give him. JT is getting double teamed and triple teamed
Leaves Brown to seal the deal
@@ThomasBragdon-cm2jztatum always plays for his stats
Go read a book or something.
Did KAT expose Ant’s superstar status in game 7???
@@justing4094The people only see the Celtics not the others 🤣
Let my mans Windy get some sleep
Unfortunately some of the players are still being voted on their namesakes and past performance and not necessarily on the present state of their play and team standing.
The long leg extensions Lively does on his screens won't be sustainable, maybe illegal but probably won't get called. I think McDaniels will figure out a way to get around them more successfully from here on out. If not it could be the biggest reason why Dallas goes up. The long leg extensions on Lively screens.
MacMahon such a Mavs homer, often difficult to take seriously when he's discussing them. Windhorst and Bontemps much more objective despite whatever likings and biases they may have, as good analysts should be.
Why does Windhorst always carry himself like he is the saddest human being that has ever existed.
How can I get this show permanently off of my autoplay? I have never and would never click on this
LOL wow Tim McMahon getting the live pushback from Celtics fans and having to respond is gold 😂😂😂😂
If ANT had
Luka Game Totals Media would be saying "Just Like Mike" .... 😅😅
The Celtics have gotten the best injury luck in the history of the NBA for an entire regular season and now the playoffs as well. Jimmy Butler didn't play. Donovan Mitchell missed playoff games and now Tyrese Haliburton will miss playoff games as well. The top teams in the East all had their stars miss a significant amount of games.
The Celtics did nothing wrong. They just won the games in front of them.
Why are we acting like they still wouldn't win these series with them in it tho either...
@@DillaDonutsbecause haters have to believe they are chokers. Can’t wait for them to hoist Larry and see everyone say it didn’t count because of the injuries. Will just make their comments sweeter knowing they can’t accept reality
@curtislinden9297 good point... banner 18 off the backs of the tears from nba Fandom across the league will make the parade that much sweeter... just wait till they start complaining about us winning the finals every year next
I don't understand why reporters hate the Celtics😅
It’s because of jealousy and hatred of Boston sports as a whole.
The league should be counting its lucky stars that Giannis didn’t team up with Luka in 2021. He left 6 championships on the table.
Mcman & Windy can't Hide the Celtics / JB Bias 🤷🏽♂️🍀
Didn’t the Pacers played the Knicks & Bucks hospital? 🤔 Celtics missing: Porzingis, Kornet & Tillman. Yeah I don’t wanna hear it.
Timmy B really saying what needs to be said about Ant, media going crazy and need to settle down a wee bit
Anyone defending JB and darvin ham did not watch games. Period
Just as Boston has been able to go through the playoffs without facing a full strength team. So has the Pacers.their whole run was against hampered teams.
Bontemps trolls the whole time 😂😂
Nice shirt
LFG. Wonder what the Pacers fans are going to complain about today?
Could have never imagined the Celtics fans beating their chest about maybe the most uninspiring Eastern conference run of this decade, but you learn something new everyday
@@jgates9786 not our fault nobody else drank their milk and ate their Wheaties.
@@holstorrsceadus1990 It's not the Celtics fault, being healthy is part of winning a title. But in the same breath, don't pretend for a second that you wouldn't clown any other fanbase if they conducted themselves like that, considering the circumstances
If the celtics dont win the title with this cupcake walk itll be an all time meltdown
Came here to see what Basketball minds think of giving up in 3rd quarter by Rick Carlisle
Here we are with Windy- Luka stunk haha. Always
23:53 he has historically choked just as many times as Jason Taytum.
first thing bontemps brings up anybody wanna guess ? pathetic excuse for a reporter hates the celtics and it shows
Hates the Celtics? As soon as the other started explaining why Brown wasn't all NBA, he got defensive and said what a great answer he gave. 🙄
@@MrOctober44 okay ? he still does not like the celtics it’s been like this for 3 years.
ok...who cares? you?😂
@@lolpredictions if u don’t care why’d u comment ? goofball
@@steveee_ Hates the Celtics but he defends them, lol. Nice try
He put in the other guys to do hard fouls on the Celtics...it was blatant
These guys are missing that the Cs were attacking haliburton all night...and then unfortunately he wore down. Would be better if just got tired out
I loved how Carlisle was asked about his hamstring and almost immediately whined about Jaylen manhandling Haliburton on that offensive rebound in the 1st half. He is great and can get to his spots in the playoffs despite being weak af. However, It'll be interesting to see how his body holds up in the playoffs over time. So far, not great. Even when healthy, it's not a great look when Jrue Holiday is hunting you for buckets.
windy cant trash celtics
after this game
You guys are answering your own questions by saying haliburton can’t play so rest the guys for game 3
I enjoy how much Windy seethes inside at the thought of the Celts winning a chip.
Jaylen brown is the robin to Tatum Batman.
No he is not. Browns a way better player
Do you guys ever say anything positive about the Celtics?
This just a Celtics year 😂☘️ EVERYTHING has gone our way , all we need is KP back
Don’t count on KP, Mr Glass. He is soft af 😂
he’s so mad
So early I got here before the sound.
Go Mavs 🎉🎉🎉
Does anybody realise all these narratives about Tatum and now Brown with the all NBA snub are fueling the Celtics to win the chip this year I don’t see anybody beating Celtics!
No doubt the easiest finals path in history
i like the show and watch most episodes but it is very obvious that BW is a whiny entitled person in most aspects of his life and he will be a constant apologist for the premier players no matter what they do with respect to demanding organizational changes that are not in the best interests of the team. Sometimes McMahon sense of humor can be smarmy but his line " whose handwriting was it " was a killer.
WOLVES WILL WIN THIS SERIES LUKA RUNS LIKE A BROKEN TRUCK
There shouldn’t have been 2 Lakers or Suns, the 6th and 7th seeds, over the #1 overall seed that was 7 wins ahead of everyone.
Tyrese should have made it. Either Booker, LBJ, or AD should have been left off. In this list, it should have been Booker.
Bontemps just openly rooting for Indy is hilarious..
Sorry dude better luck next year!
One of the worst ECF games.
Everyone glorifies the nuggets chip against a 8th seeded Miami heat. Everyone glorifies the lakers Mickey Mouse finals against a hurt jimmy butler & bam 😂 but all the sudden the Celtics have a bit of luck & it’s the end of the world. As if they haven’t been grinding for years for this or the preseason favorites to be here in general.
Shai to get to Lukas level just has to go from 30 points to 35 ppg, go from 5 assist to 10, and 5 rebounds to 10.
Lmao these guys are so anti Boston this is crazy
After the Wolves/Mavs Game 1 talk, seems like Mavs won by 20 and dominated the game.
If the Wolves can play that bad and still have a chance to win, maybe they really are going to win it all
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Remember when ant edwards was going to be the next Jordan? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
LeBron James is antisemitic to Kyrie game on the basketball court
All Tree of Dem are Jaylen Brown Haters 💯🍀
Bontemps is a clown and shouldnt have a vote
Bontemps stay hating lol
Jaylen Browns destiny in the league is to protect Jayson Tatums faulty legacy
😂😂😂 haters going to hate.
@@jamargraham6707he isnt his slave
Bontemps may just be the worst person in the world.
He’s the best. Tells how it is
No i think you obviously have the edge there
The year of the dragon, also the year of the the C’s…
You’re moving on my list Bontemps