Understanding the difference between POWER AND SPIN
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- čas přidán 21. 09. 2022
- Tennis session at the Mouratoglou Academy with Michaela Laki.
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I’m self taught. So it’s amazing how just a few little tips can change my game. Push when the ball bounces, extra spin + Height gives you extra time. I love this stuff. Thank you so much for this!
@@ebstmntprobably this tactic works better on clay. Here's flip side if you hit a shallow topspin FH down the line against a super fast player he can run over and crush a crosscourt BH winner and your standing on wrong side trying to recover or chase down a BH speeding cross court.
Same with me. Good luck to you with your tennis playing, Paul!
Sorry, but PM doesn't understand about physics and spin is that taking it early (like on the rise) is NOT very compatible with hitting heavy spin as he suggested here. Save your heavy spin for contact with the Dropping ball instead of early, on the rise. Sure, she can make a few from easy feeds here with no score or opponent pressure, but in the match, trying heavy spin on the rising ball will just lead to loads of missed shots..... usually long, but sometimes in the net trying to stop the balls from flying long.
@@AdvancedTennisFoundation-ph9zo There's no difference between taking on the rise and taking the ball on the drop except that the falling ball is moving slower; the ball is the same height off the ground. If you have the confidence (and talent) then you can hit with heavy spin on the rise. But of course you have less time to position your feet, so you have to work harder to get to the shot correctly. But you take time away from the opponent.
What You are really saying is that you don't know the 5+ adjustments that help to execute this more successfully. One of the obvious differences is the swing plane for starters, as well as at least 5 other esoteric fundamentals you are missing. Just like PM, you lack the understanding of how spin is created effectively.
@@guardiancarthur
I've been playing since I was 15 yrs old. I consider myself a advance amateur. What you're teaching on these videos are usually something you have to pay for. This video is extremely informative. THANK YOU!!!!
This is super relaxing to watch. Also, he is very kind to his students, trains them almost like a puppy.
PM is such a motivator as a coach. You want nothing more than for him to say 'super good' 👍🏻
Want him to say in French "Ohhhh LaLaLa"
Patrick has a way of correcting learners starting from the mindset.
Thank you for sharing these coaching moments with us!
more risk at 50% than 100%...this really struck me. must try doing this. tend to hold back thinking its safer. thanks!
This was really helpful. I’m definitely going to work on this in my game… 👍🏼
Perfect!!
It feels amazing when it all comes together.
What a coaching technic we have here from him👍
Great advice for a beginner like me. I never thought playing high spin down the line to "buy" some time to move to the middle. I'm always trying to rip the ball (more on the flat side) down the line ending up in stress if the opponent hits a backhand cross. I will definitely put a high spin in practice. Thank you, Patrick! Greetings from Zagreb Croatia.
That's the modern game defensive mode primarily. Jimmy Conners would flatten the ball and 1 hit a winner 2 hit it deep in the corner and pounce on the net or 3 hit the tape and lose the point. I miss the cavalier style of the players of his day.
I love it when he says super good it’s very positive.
Great instructor and great student!
thanks, I have played more confident since I learned great tips from you. Thanks so much
Thank you so much Patrick! i had seen clip,and learn better and better 👍👍
PM is a master!!
super good training 구독하고 열심히 봐야되겠네요
Love it!
Very useful !
Watta coach!! Extracts every bit out of the player
This chick got pretty much every shot in! She’s awesome
Thx, for the coatching hope to come there one day
Great video. Merci.
Love and spin 💕🎾
This girl os amazing!
I'm blown away by how good PM is.
So good 👍
I wish I had coaches like this when I was younger...too bad youtube didnt exist back then
This channel will produce a grand slam winner
Great, thanks :)
Coach patrick your advices really helps me on court
I want to train at your academy once in my life
Me too. 👍💓
super good... *makes u happy
I have gone to Saddlebrook Tennis Academy in FL, IMG, and now I want to come to Patrick Mouratoglou Tennis Academy. I would like to spend some time there and learn while going to the French Open. I will be there.... :)
Génial cette vidéo 👌🎾 même si je ne sais pas l anglais je comprends se que demande Patrick
Wow, this is great instruction for all you players who are hitting long due to not enough arm swing.
I think it’s more wrist movement than it is arm swing.
awesome
Same as the Nadal approach - hit like there are 2 nets. Ie the net is twice the height it actually is. So the ball hets that height it needs to dip down and in with max spin
super good
Patrick you are a world class coach clearly based on all of the professionals you have worked with and I assume 1000s of students. One thing I would like to understand is yes I can come through a ball being tossed to me like this easily with lots of spin and good power. The problem is when the ball is coming back at me with really solid depth and spin. Do you try to transfer this knowledge to the student in a more live match or live ball scenario ?
Start with hand fed
Then racquet fed from around the net
Then racquet fed from the opposite baseline
Then live ball rallying
Then out of serve & serve return point play
Then out of serve & serve return match play
Then in proper matches
Don't be over excited to progress until you are consistently successful over 80% of the time to a quality target with a minimum of 10 shots.
If you are only executing to target 50% of the time, then the next level is only going to get worse.
Then you come back and blame your coach about how you cant play. 😆
the problem is that what PM isn't sharing is that you can't take a tough rising ball and hit heavy topspin with consistent execution. This happens to be the most common pro tour ground-stroke error if one takes time to chart it. There are about 5+ adjustments needed for handling the strong rising ball and it seems PM knows none of them.
Great tips, got something for me to drill next time
Wish I could find a guy that talks to me like Patrick talks to her
I'm sure he would if you hire him as coach
you need a lot of cash for a coach like him, now you have these words for free!
It’s 2,500 a week or something in that range
Finding a Haitian or a French Canadian pro and paying a lot more for the lesson might (not even) come close.
That's an elementary drill. Anybody who knows tennis can talk you thru it. The 90% of the deal is for you be motivated to do it over and over till that pattern is ingrained and you can do it in a match automatically reflexivly.🎉
Nice
i like the height creates time to get in position!
It makes it really hard to see what's going on with the hand acceleration that the video is at 30fps. It would be much easier to see and more helpful if it was at 60fps. Thanks.
(The main part of the stroke is about 6 frames right now, and only 3 right around the ball.)
Mon rêve était d'avoir un coach de ce niveau lorsque j'étais plus jeune. J'ai appris à jouer par moi-même. Mais aujourd'hui, vive l'internet car j'ai accès aux meilleurs conseils pour améliorer le côté technique et les diverses stratégies. J'applique tout ce qui expliqué dans cette vidéo et sérieux quelle différence. Merci d'exister :)
I’m wondering if there is a video from Patrick for tennis beginners to learn spin
Great pratiktics Patrick . The difficult thing is ofcourse to find the ballance between shaping and driving (as you show her) So you must ofcourse swing faster when shaping. So
when to drive or when to shape? .It depends ofcourse of the situation. and the surface of the court. The great advantice of shaping are more than one ;.creat .angels ,make the opponent
hitting out of strikezone and never hit the net.The disadvantics is when hitting the shape with to much spin so it becomes to thin with no penetrasen so one has to feel the ballance
between shape and drive.Not easy ? Bedst from Denmark.
Lovely shots👍🏼👍🏼
Does the racket here makes any difference to generate so much top spin????
But how to combine this whip movement and brushing the ball with stability in hitting by sweet spot of the racket and avoiding shanking?
Going 100% for every shot to get the sufficient amount of spin also comes with an increased risk of framing the ball, given the ball-eye coordination is a bit more difficult with the higher racket speed, right? How to deal with that?
You might try and use the term wrist, like accelerate your wrist instead of hand, I think people will confuse hand with arm often.
GYATTTTT
That high down the line can be a passing shot
Michaela is hitting incredibly well. Not to take anything from her but she could rotate her torso more on the forehand. As it is right now, she's putting a lot of emphasis on her right arm when hitting a forehand.
Do you know her name? I wanna play just like her 😂 Please let me know if you know her name.
hello, do you have a preferred string/gut that your student should use for better play/hit?
"et voilà..... " 👍😁
Can I reach the same spin and speed with a 285 gram racket (Yonex 100L), compared to 305 gram, also a 100 inch Yonex racket, similar to that model, that my scandinavian neighbour Casper Ruud WON the ATP500 Barcelona tourment recently?? The last nordic victory before Caspers was back in 1988 with Kent Karlsson.
14,487 views, 493 likes, 17 comments, 126k subscribers. Nice!!
That girl is a beauty! Of course good player. So what kind of grip is the forehand? 4 bevel?
Please use a camera with a stabilizer!! The new iPhone 14 has a built in stabilizer. The GoPro and DJIs cameras are all stabilized.
Or add it during the post! All Editing softwares offer stabilization.
she's powerful 😳
This video is all amazing, but the best part is: I'm gonna hit the ball at 50% and take more risk than hitting at 100%!
May I know her racquet's specs? Head size, static weight, balance and swing weight, string pattern?
I can beat Nadal if I get a coach like him ... This guy is unbelievable.. unconventional strategy that makes perfect sense..
Nadal at his best is only beatable by God himself lol
Excuse me, I watched until 4:40. For a forhand with top-spin, the ball is very high and has little spin. I ask, did the balls fall within the limits of the court, I mean were they good, weren't they outside?
Did anyone understand the difference between the two how does one actually enable both ?
i see a lot of this videos that you talk about spin, my coach talk about this too and still i can not understand and make the move
ments to create it :(
Slice is spin too 🙂
Her stamina is excellent. Wow. I wish I had just 50% of hers haha
Patrick was late for this training
This is where we are at with the modern poly-stringed power game, and no one teaches it better than Patrick. I still think that timing is harder with poly strings and all that spin, and an easier game with gut strings. My targets are only a couple of feet over the net, but I hit them every time when I get the footwork right, whereas these max spin players miss much more often, and sure the spin saves tham, but in the end does all that spin help them hit more effective shots? Gut gives you power with more feel and consistency, is that not true? And the proliferation of wrist injuries at the top levels must have something to do with these extreme wristy extreme-spin strokes, no?
Yeah and the freaky looking Western grip looks like it's gonna breakdown your wrists after a while
Why are you filming 4K videos in 20 FPS???
she is pro
I've already figured out how to hit the ball flat with spin and I just simply hold the ball instead of just swinging all fast at it.
How can a ball be both flat and with spin?
@@ArthurVerhulst Pronation.
Damn she's hella good
Is it just me, or does her wrist motion when hitting a forehand go in reverse? I find it fascinating. Has anyone else seen something like this?
Ok; but what if I have eastern/semi eastern fh grip? Spin is more difficult.. Can u make a video how to change from playing fh eastern to western grip?
you only need a semi - western fh grip for spin. If you're an adult you certainly don't need a western grip.
Hit wit semi western u idiot , not western morons
Going 100% for every shot to get the sufficient amount of spin also comes with an increased risk of framing the ball, given the ball-eye coordination is a bit more difficult with the higher racket speed, right? How to deal with that?
I agree with all the comments on the tips for tennis but I'm looking for where she bought her top? 🤣
He's emphasizing spin but the more spin you apply the less you go through the ball and the more the power drops off. For physically strong players it's not a problem but many club players can only achieve speed by hitting the ball flatter wtih little topspin. Many elite players have a flattish DH backhand compared with the forehand.
forehand diego schwartzman
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When he works with her on spin, he doesn't talk about the angle of attack of the racket. I wish he would talk more about the angle of the racket face.
No entiendo nà, pero queda güay
When he says "more spin" she just keeps hitting the same shot. Patrick wants to see that loopy high spin. Her shots even after his demonstration were still very low and close to the net and very risky.
He trains advanced players, gifted with how to play tennis. He seems a great trainer but in my opinion his quality as coach would not change the performance of an average player, compared to an average trainer
I fairly disagree with you, his approach is world class, it is much harder to come to Rune and tell him how to hit a backhand slice that he knows how to already than the average player that has 100 of holes in his technique. What is impressive is his approach and build up to get to the final result and eye on why it is not working out depending of what the player he coaches does. He almost always get it right or find an other trick or solution to get there. It is far more complex than it i looks like. I consider myself has a descent player.
Her backhand has zero spin)
“Try hitting high enough so that you don’t hit my face.” That’ll be 500€ thanks goodbye
What is the name of this lovely player?
Michaela Laki
@@ricardoherrera8547 Now between 600 and 700 in the world, but only 17!
omg camera shaking so much!
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stop shaking the camera!😅
She's playing with a 18x20 though isn't she which is harder to generate spin?
Notice how she barely hits the ball into the net. Great players aim to be a couple of feet above the net. That, plus the whip/spin, plus the plough through of power helps them maintain high percentage shots with substantial power. That, and hours and hours of practice of course.
because you have to play high that professional players don't
She fine 🔥
i'm not playing a single ball to her backhand.
Is she full western?
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Patrik , why don't you fix her left hand so she can open her shoulders! Then she will be able to use her hand!