REACTING to *Glory (1989)* THIS FILM IS UNDERRATED!! (First Time Watching) War Movies
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James and Nobu are reacting to Glory (1989) and this film is so underrated. Enjoy this classic war film covering the heartbreaking Civil War which split America starring Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman, Matthew Broderick, Cary Elwes and so many more! Enjoy thsi first time watching war movies reaction to Glory (1989)
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What is your favorite war book??
dude what are these side films? a little feedback- finish the franchises that you already started.. they are left open for a long time
and where are the weekly calenders? why not publish them anymore?
and please stop with the polls.. one person wants to watch this, the other wants another.
just react to whatever y'all want. the subscribers will watch whatever you post. it's just that if u react to the poll that wins the most votes one way or the other the remaining people will be disappointed...
"Band of Brothers" by Stephen E. Ambrose, and "Helmet for My Pillow" by Robert Leckie.
@@iamarkhamknightstop acting like an entitled bitch. It’s not a good look on you
Mark Twain's "War Prayer." It's really a short piece, but it has also been published as a stand-alone book.
As a child of the 60's, "Slaughterhouse-Five or The Children's Crusade: A Duty-Dance with Death" (1969) a semi-autobiographic science fiction-infused anti-war novel by Kurt Vonnegut. They made a movie adaptation in the 70's but I haven't seen it in a while and am not sure how it has held up.
I think the Sergeant Major would have been as harsh with any soldiers. He’s an experienced soldier and knows he has to get them ready. His salute as they march by is an understated but powerful moment that expresses he is proud of the 54th and their transition into combat ready soldiers.
You are correct.
Veteran sergeants and officer brought back from the initial years were extremely hard on volunteer and draft units on both sides.
All of them understood the hell that most of these men would go through and after Shilo, 7 days battles, Antitam and later Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville and Gettysburg.
These guys were very experienced and saw the casualty rates suffered by units who broke down under fire and got overrun, so making sure they could fight hard was the best things they could do - tho it also meant that these units would suffer just as hard as others in casualties like the initial days of the Iron Brigade and Irish Brigade however it meant losses would be in troops dying fighting vs the retreat.
Agree. Also due to the Confederate Declaration to kill POWs, every single fight would be "to the death" for these soldiers.
The narration of Robert Shaw reading letters, are from the actual letters he wrote home.
I read the book about Robert Shaw and this movie is pretty accurate.
My all black (except 2 students) middle school, took the whole school to see this. Rented out the whole building. The atmosphere in our theater was electric. We laughed together, cheered together, then cried together at the end. It was a memorable experience 💛
Today, this movie would be banned from schools in certain states, like Florida. It would fall under the "woke/CRT" ban such states.
@@BigSleepyOx facts. They do Civil War reenactments regularly & join organizations like Daughters of the Confederacy but others can’t watch a movie about the exact SAME things. It’s all about controlling the narrative.
I'm glad it reached as wide an audience that it did and had such an effect.
@@BigSleepyOx Nope
Denzel Washington took home the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor for his role in the movie.
He deserved to win!
It won Best Cinematography and Best Sound.
It's amazing thing to know that Colonel Robert Gould Shaw was only 25 years old when he died. It's a lot of responsibility on the shoulders for a man of that age
I'm a historian and I specialize in the Civil War. This film is one of the first things that pushed me in that direction. A lot of reactors get really upset about the whipping scene with Denzel and I understand, it is upsetting and it was meant to be. However at that time, during wartime, desertion was a crime punishable by death. Many a soldier of that era's been placed in front of a firing squad. The whipping was considered a more lenient punishment.
@Blain1971and color wasn't a factor. I did my college research paper on the civil war. I read tons of letters and books. It was just brutal.
That is true. However, the practice of whipping or flogging of soldiers as a disciplinary action was banned in 1861. The 54th wasn't formed until late 1862. Had Col. Shaw whipped or ordered the whipping of any of his soldiers at any time he would at the very least been dishonorably discharged from the army. The punishments would've either been death as you said, or a soldier could've also been sent to a POW camp for the duration of the war with the possibility of hard labor being added to his stay in the camp. And being a "colored" soldier being sent to a POW would've probably been a death sentence as the camp could've been filled with Confederates.
@Blain1971 Just wait until they learn about what the romans did to their legions with decimation when they needed to be punished.
The old scars on Denzel's back when he was being flogged are based on a photograph of an actual slave. And it was worse.
You are a liar.
Glory's story comes from -
One Gallant Rush: Robert Gould Shaw and His Brave Black Regiment is a book by Peter Burchard, based on letters written by Robert Gould Shaw, white colonel of the first black regiment in the Union Army during the American Civil War, the 54th Massachusetts Regiment.
>white colonel of the first black regiment in the Union Army during the American Civil War, the 54th Massachusetts Regiment.
That was actually Thomas Wentworth Higginson of the 1st South Carolina Colored Volunteers
@@megad7060 no
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Well, yes actually. 1st SC formed January 31st 1863, 54th Mass formed March 13th 1863.
The scene on the beach. Is masterpiece directing.
Robert looks at the peaceful waves, then turns and looks at the hell that awaits them. Then looks back the peaceful waves. As the music builds his breathing quickens. And he realizes in that moment he’s going to his death.
And not a word spoken. It’s all in the eyes , the acting and the music.
Matthew Broderick got his start on Broadway and returned there often during his career. He also did dozens of movies and TV appearances but he was mostly limited to comedies and musicals. "Glory" let him show off more of his range, and evidently he had a strong resemblance to the real Robert Gould Shaw.
He also killed two women while driving in Northern Ireland.
I also read his related to Robert Gould Shaw
52:00 I love how Thomas used the bayonet maneuver to disarm and kill an enemy solider that his drill sergeant so harshly demonstrated on him in training.
Finally. It's nice to see reactors understanding that the Irish Sgt.Maj. training the men is being so hard on them *because* he cares about them.
He isn't training them to get in shape.
He isn't training them to learn to shoot.
He isn't training them to march as a unit.
He's training them for war.
Throwing up from exhaustion?
Good. Now you know you can push yourself that hard and more.
Lungs burning as you struggle to catch your breath?
Good. That means your lungs are still in the fight to stay alive.
Did it hurt when I kicked you when you were down?
Good. Pain means you're still alive.
Now get the fuck up and fight back.
War sucks.
Train them to embrace the suck.
The Rifle butt to the face is what many people felt was over the top. I can understand his motivation tho. For these men, every battle was a fight to the death. In the sense that if they lose, they were subject to execution. Actually a foolish thing for the Confederates to announce.
As a senior NCO who spent 21 years in the US Infantry, you make training hard because what they're going to face is even harder. I had the honor of serving under one of the most professional, sadistic, and ruthless officer and 1SG combinations (COL Budihas and MSG Agueda) prior to my 2003-05 deployment to Iraq. Had it not been for them pushing us prior to train up, I doubt some of us would have made it through that ridiculousness.
I tried to maintain that level for my own troops over the next two decades before I also hung up the boots.
Glory is not underrated, it's very highly rated and deservedly so.
Welcome to CZcams, my friend!
Everybody says everything is “underrated” on CZcams, get use to it.
Thanks to them, the word “underrated” has no meaning anymore because everyone falsely labels so many things as underrated. “Underrated” is so overused and misused so much that it doesn’t have a definition anymore
@@nsasupporter7557 I've been here longer than you.
@@jthomann71 the point is “underrated” is so overused and misused that it doesn’t have a definition anymore. Every 2 seconds there’s somebody saying that someone or something is “underrated,” it’s annoying as hell. The word “underrated” is officially dead
@@nsasupporter7557 Everyone already knows what you're trying to pass off as deep knowledge. And you felt the need to explain this obvious issue to me while acting like I'm so new I must've just discovered this website....why?
@@nsasupporter7557you must be fun at parties
Not sure it's underrated as much as somewhat overlooked in the wake of other movies since. I think it also suffers for being a tough watch for some.
Definitely wasn’t underrated, it had great critical acclaim, and multiple oscars, including denzel washington’s first. Wasn’t a box office hit. Got popular when it was on cable, though.
It’s not underrated! The word “underrated” is overused and misused that it literally doesn’t have a definition anymore. “Underrated is so falsely used so much that we don’t actually know what is and isn’t underrated anymore
@@nsasupporter7557 I have to laugh. I don't disagree but it's funny you did the same thing with literally.
@@inarar5334 don’t get distracted with that, the point is “underrated” is dead because it’s so overused and misused and thrown around mindlessly so much
@@Ivy94F every 2 seconds there’s somebody saying that someone or something is “underrated.” It’s annoying as hell.
Since when did “underrated” become everybody’s favorite word?
Gettysburg is worth watching, and the reenactor community was deeply involved. Also has a glorious musical theme. Based heavily on The Killer Angels, a fictional novel which is often assigned reading in military leadership classes.
I watch it every year on July 3rd.
Also watch God's and Generals same director and some actors play the same roles
Gettysburg is full of pro-Confederate propaganda, including slaves happily backing the Southern cause (and I say this as a person whose ancestors fought - however misguidedly - for the South). Here's a very informative video on the topic.
@@isaacrockefeller225I loved Gettysburg, but Gods and Generals was a disaster. I didn’t think it was going to turn out to be the Stonewall Jackson show.
Its definitely accurate. Most won't do a reaction to it because of real it is and some may be offended, people dont realize how deep it was over hundreds if years slaves and how far it goes back
I love this movie so much. My 7th grade history class was shown this movie when we did a unit on the Civil War and it has stuck with me ever since. I have no idea how my teacher got permission to show it considering the swearing, but I'm grateful. This movie did more to teach me about racism and that every person deserves to be treated with dignity and respect simply for being human than I had ever known before that. It was a the start of a kid's fascination with the Civil War that lasted for years and the scene just before the march into that final battle still makes me cry every time.
Mine was 8th grade. Almost all white class, and we were riveted.
@@firekrys same I was in 11th grade. 1992.
You understand the full meaning of the word glory by the end of this movie.
Ironically it made me think of the quote "Stand among the bodies of thousands of dead men, and ask their souls if Honor and Glory matter?"
@@duelentertainment9228 in this case it definitely does
I remember how quiet it was in the theater when I first saw this. Pretty much everyone stayed until the credits were finished. It would be great to see you guys react to Gettysburg. Might have to break it down into two parts as it's kind of long but another amazing story of that three day conflict that changed the tide of the war.
when i watched this movie 5 years ago Matthew Broderick caught me off guard too
It caught me off guard when I first saw it too, probably over 25 years ago! I've come to appreciate the casting more and more as I've got older as he captures that character growth fantastically, and I feel like that the fact that you don't see Broderick as the type of person to play a soldier helps to sell Shaw's inexperience at the beginning.
A fine choice for what I think of as the "Fourth of July" season (between Flag Day and July 4). I always appreciate when people do movie reactions appropriate to the season.
This movie is relatively historically accurate (Teach With Movies rates it 90%, for whatever that's worth).
Many of the black characters are fictional, and are not based on any specific historical soldier. This allows the movie more creative freedom, but it also results in some deviations from history.
For instance, there was a black Sergeant Major, but he was Frederick Douglass' son, not formerly enslaved grave digger. In fact, the vast majority of 54th members were freeborn.
Sgt. Carney was born into slavery, although he was freed legally rather than escaping. Like Denzel's character, he pocked up the flag after the original color guard was shot. But he actually survived and many years later became the first black man to be awarded the Medal of Honor for his bravery during the battle.
The white officers did refuse to take their pay while the black soldiers were paid less. In fact, contrary to the movie, it was Col. Shaw's idea to refuse.
There's no evidence Shaw had to threaten anyone in orded to get supplies or battle assignments for the regiment.
Col. Montgomery (the guy who ordered his mem to pillage/burn the Southern town) was acting under orders. Shaw apparently grew to respect him later, so he probably wasn't the awful guy the film depicts. The blame should go to Maj. Gen. Hunter.
But these are really minor nitpicks. Most of these changes are to allow for a tighter narrative and I don't think they mislead the audience in a way that would damage viewers' understanding of history.
Compared to something like Remember the Titans, this film is practically a school textbook - the IMDB page for the factual errors in that is amazing!
In fact, Montgomery was instrumental in the rescue of slaves at Coombahee with Harriet Tubman. However the burning of Darien was his order, and Shaw protested strongly. But he wasn't involved in any smuggling as suggested by the movie. He was a firm abolitionist.
It was jarring to listen to Nobu repeatedly suggest that it was unrealistic for Black people to be treated so harshly in the **civil war era** United States. Almost overnight, people who had either been part of the slave or low-wage servant class had the prospect of moving toward equal standing in society. That was a huge adjustment that impacted every aspect of American culture. Even today, there are people viscerally angry about the general demographic changes taking place in this country so of course there was massive backlash regarding the political upheaval of the 1800s (it was enough to cause a civil war after all). If you're interested, there's a short book called "What They Fought For" by James McPherson that might be a good read. It contains letters from Union soldiers who wrote home expressing their frustrations about the war. I was surprised to read how many Union soldiers were disappointed that the political language surrounding the war became focused on freeing the slaves and felt duped into risking their lives for a cause they didn't believe in. In any case, good reaction. Thx for providing your POV.
Typical response for yt or non-blacks that don’t have any facts or contextual reference to draw from……and since it does not have any historical impact for them directly (their ancestors were never enslaved), their lackluster reactions that were void of empathy at times is to be expected. Funny how, G00g1e is at everyones finger tips and it only takes seconds to use it to answer any questions you have or clarify facts. What was cringy to me is that they questioned the brutality of that time-period….which is weird. The movie takes place in 1862…slavery and CHATTEL slavery more specifically had been in existence for 250 years at this point! The black fugitive slaves who fought were descendants of a long line of generations who were born and died enslaved. Can you imagine an existence of being born enslaved and possibly living to the old age of 60 or 70 and dying in that same enslaved state to other human beings who perceived you as cattle…..animal property?!!! People don’t really apply a lot of critical thinking when watching movies like this……and they don’t bother to use G00g1e either to fill in the holes. Smh
This is considered one of the most accurate war films within a small grouping of those. Also considered the best and most important film to come out of the 1980s.
Yeah, Trip actually wasn't a deserter. He just went off looking for shoes.
The Last of the Mohicans is set during the French and Indian War and has an excellent cast and score. For another Civil War movie, like many others, I highly recommend Gettysburg (broken into two parts) which also has a good score. For some less frequently reacted to WWII movies with massive casts, check out The Great Escape and Memphis Belle.
Yes, I LOVE Memphis Belle! Such a great movie from a bomber crew's perspective, plus you get to see Samwise Gamgee back in action! 😄
I just finished watching Glory (1989) after seeing Saving Private Ryan (1998) and Schindler's List (1993). Three masterpiece films of cinema. I saw Glory many times in the early-90s. Still an amazing movie after 34 years. With Oppenheimer out, I'm in a binge watch for war films even if many of them are heavy to rewatch.
Glory's music is soaring! Thank you to the late-James Horner and the Boys Choir of Harlem. Now that's a very moving war movie about sacrifice and about two races coming together as one. I still have tears in my eyes because how much emotion I felt watching it so many years later.
Listen to Glory's "Charging Fort Wagner" and the closing credits. It's the same unbelievable feeling after you see the ending to The Shawshank Redemption and Top Gun: Maverick. The music absolutely soars!! Glory is the only film I ever liked Matthew Broderick in. I always found him too soft in other films.
Glory has one of the best end credit songs next to the mediocre-rated Far and Away (1992) which had Enya's "Book of Days" at the end. Now that Enya song feels epic after you watch Far and Away. John Williams worked for that film and it's amazing like pretty much any of his work.
Glory is a film to never forget. It's a film I first saw maybe when I was 11 or 12 on cable circa 1991-1992 and made me want to write a history report on the Civil War in the 6th grade (1992-1993). Still remains one of the greatest films I've ever seen. I'm not African-American but I want those who are to always be proud of the events chronicled by this great film.
Have you seen the 1998 film, The Thin Red Line? It’s a World War 2 film about the Pacific Campaign battle for the island of Guadalcanal. It is a masterpiece as well. Everything about it is fantastic!
This was a great movie, especially for someone not from the USA. I know a lot of things about the world wars since they are more European centric, but very few things about the American Civil War
I just need to say, you’re reaction was probably the best I’ve seen for this film.
Very respectful and mature.
You get extra credit for holding back the man tears. That film gets me every day time.
Well done
Thank you so much
I disagree.
Have to disagree with the statement that it wasn't quite accurate this movie was touted as being one of the most true to history with much of it coming directly from the letters written by Colonel Shaw
I've seen this movie a few times. It's so Beautiful!! Should be shown in schools. I listen to the soundtrack all the time.
Some schools do. My kid saw it in class this past school year.
They did show it in my high school, actually
The soundtrack is AMAZING.
You have to know what it's like to be in bondage, a slave, to understand the rebellious mind of Denzel Washington's character.
Amazing classic Glory starring Matthew Broderick, Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman and Cary Elwes. This film won 3 Oscars including best supporting actor by Denzel Washington. Thank you guys great reaction awesome👍👍👍
“A Soldier Story” is another good old wartime movie, but with a twist. Excellent ensemble cast, including Denzel Washington.
Now y'all have to watch "A Soldiers Story" also co starring Denzel Washington.
I agree with your thumbnail in that this film is underrated. Another underrated movie that is Civil War related is the movie Gettysburg. It is also one of the more historically accurate war movies Hollywood has ever made. I think it would be a great movie for you guys to do reaction to for next week, as that battle took place on July 1st, 2nd and 3rd of 1863 making this year exactly 160 years since the battle took place.
You're right. Line formation allowed for easier command and control. Before radios were invented, commanders had to issue orders via instruments and flags (which is shown in the movie) and so men needed to be grouped together to be able to literally hear and see their orders. Line formation also maximized firepower as muskets were inaccurate beyond about 100 metres (although by this point we have rifled muskets which have a lot more range and you can hit your targets easier), so having the men grouped together like that was the best method of inflicting casualties.
Denzel Washington AND Morgan Freeman in one of the best scenes in movie history. Freeman giving an epic speech, and Denzel stares and never even blinks.
A great WW II movie is The Memphis Belle.
In 1943, the crew of a B-17 based in the UK prepares for its 25th and final bombing mission over Germany before returning home to the USA.
One of the movies I could watch over and over again.
The stealing part is pretty accurate, I know. A distant relative of mine once told me a story of two of our ancestors who were on opposite sides of the war. The one in the north learned about a raid that was going to happen on a secret stash of supplies. He wrote to his cousin in the south and told him when and where it was going down, and they got there ahead of time and split the profits between them. Sounds pretty typical for my relatives.
The Tuskegee Airmen is another amazing movie.
This movie was so well-made. I cried quietly because the first and only time until this edit I saw it at school. So it hit me because there was a deadpan of silence in the room through most of it. I liked how all the actors did each part, Carrie Elwis was the biggest shock for me. I didn't think I'd see him outside of Princess Bride but there he was
Denzel Washington's performance in this movie is one of the all time great performances period. Up there with Jack Nicholson in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" and Robert DeNiro in "Godfather II".
This is perhaps the best reaction to this movie and I have seen many. You get the "Tough Love" of Colonel towards almost everyone - equally - It is misinterpreted by many reactors. They kind of get it only after he refuses to take the lesser pay. I liked yours most. Thanks from India. Regards,
Watched this as a 9th grader in HS 2001 in my history class. We had to get permission from a parent, but it's such a powerful film. I'm 37 soon (June 26th) crazy. You said you loved the soundtrack? He also did Titanic, Avatar and Braveheart to name a few others. (James Horner) Isn't it kind of ironic that the same guy at 37:00 is corrupted and cheating the system just like he later does in Shawshank as the warden? lol
Size of a regiment can be vastly different depending on the army, what time period, the type of regiment it was(infantry calvery ext.
In this case tho a volunteer infantry regiment for the american army during the civil war would be 1045 men at full strength, I can't remember if that included the officers or not.
Sometimes up to 1200 but usually around 800 and much less once seeing combat.
Great reaction to this and great to see people understanding and appreciating the tough role the Colonel has in the formation of the regiment.
Glory is my all time favorite movie ... for war movies, Saving Private Ryan, Fury, Hacksaw Ridge, 1917
thank you bothfor reviewing this classic film.
I don't know how the actor who played Jupiter didn't have a great career.
(The guy who had the gun fired near his head during drill.)
"Give 'em Hell, 54th."
This is my favorite war movie and one of my favorite movies ever! It’s so tragic and beautiful and profound - makes me cry every time.
Classic war film. Denzel deserved the Oscar. The rest of the cast we're great. James Horner's score, great.
My parents went to see this movie in theaters on a date and emotions were high... lol
The Confederates dumped Shaw's body into that trench with his men as an insult to him, but in reality, Shaw would have thought being buried with his men was an honor. I read that somewhere.Also, Shaw was only 25 when he died.
This movie always makes me so emotional! So many people have died in order for us to have the freedoms we currently have. My SOUL thanks them for the chances they took!
The scene where "Trip" is being flogged. The tears that Danzel sheds are 100% real. He said that the motivation for the scene, was the knowledge that this absolutely did happen to his ancestors. That's what makes a great actor, being able to use those kind of emotions for a killer scene. Also, the crazy thing is that up until probably the middle of World War 1 our army was still using these type of tactics, even with the advent of machine guns.
What you have to remember, that the Civil War brought about the advent of rifles. It was no longer smooth bore muskets, for the most part. The mini-ball was a devastating change in weapons technology, and rifled barrels meaning the weapons were far more accurate. As a result, the use of pre-revolution tactics resulted in EXTREME amounts of casualties.
34:56 Fun fact, that soldier (who also says "Give them hell, 54") is the writer, Kevin Jarre.
Hold the phone did you switch days for your War Movie and Group reactions?
Because usually your Group reactions are Every Thursday while your War movies are every Tuesday so why the switch?
Yeah 😂😂I actually just got the reactions mixed up and uploaded the wrong one
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Gettysburg! Have to recommend that one for anyone looking for Civil War stuff.
Best Civil War film and one of my personal favorites, being African American and a veteran it hits home for me.
I'm from Italy and, back when I was a kid, I didn't know anything about the American Civil War, apart from those few things I could get from the videogame North and South. Then I saw this movie when they aired it on TV and it was a blast. To this day, I still consider it one of the top 5 war movies I've ever seen and it never fails to amaze me for its quality, expecially the actors, the battle scenes and the soundtrack.
Hello. I noticed that you said how much you liked the soundtrack. The singing in the background was by the Harlem Boys Choir. You might have heard this before, more Americans died during the Civil War than every other American war put together.
Hey guys, great review of Glory, it is a fairly accurate movie. Most of the men that joined the 54th were freemen, not former slaves,bad Boston did have a large abolitionist population and freemen. In fact, a nephew of Frederick Douglas was a sergeant major in the regiment and the soldier that brought back the flag from the attack on Battery Wagner, not really a fort, won the medal of honor he was wounded multiple times but when he returned said the flag never touched the ground on the retreat. All of the officers did join in not taking pay due to the lower pay rate to the men. It did change months before the war ended.
If you can, review Gettysburg! It is a really good movie. It is accurate but does miss a number of points that should be made. The 1st Minnesota does as much to save the war effort as the 20th Maine but to add everything would make the film days long not just 3 hours and 45 minutes. However, it is well worth a view as you will have more insight to the war and the largest battle ever fought on American soil.
From the opening, at that point in the war they were still using old tactics where you march in line to about 50 yards from the enemy and volley fire because muskets had really bad range. Since then the armies had mostly equipped with rifles that had ranges in the hundreds of yards but didn't update the tactics.
Part of the cause of the massive casualties in the Civil War was that weapons technology had advanced since the Revolutionary War but military tactics had not changed much. The method of advancing in rows on a massed enemy used to work better because firearms used to take a lot longer to re-load. Also, medical science was lacking; 2/3 of deaths were from disease, not battle wounds, due to poor sanitation and infectious diseases spreading in crowded military camps.
Line formation allowed for easier command and control. Before radios were invented, commanders had to issue orders via instruments and flags (which is shown in the movie) and so men needed to be grouped together to be able to literally hear and see their orders. Line formation also maximized firepower as muskets were inaccurate beyond about 100 metres (although as you point out rifled muskets have longer range and you can hit your targets easier), so having the men grouped together like that was still the best method of inflicting casualties.
All major European powers had specialist light infantry that used skirmisher tactics (using cover, launching ambushes, specifically targeting officers, etc.). For some reason, the Americans didn't deploy skirmishers in the same capacity.
This is one of the more historically accurate movies war movies that's ever been made. There are a few things in the movie that aren't accurate, however. One of the more historically inaccurate scenes in the movie is probably the one that it's most known for. Col. Shaw never had any of the men under his command whipped even as a disciplinary action. The practice of whipping or flogging of soldiers was banned in 1861. The 54th was not formed until 1862 and didn't see action until 1863. Had Shaw had any of his men whipped at any time he would've been at the very least dishonorably discharged from the US Army.
Fun fact Matthew Broderick also voiced adult Simba in the Lion King
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Check out the 54th massachusetts regiment memorial as well as read the account of Memorial Day 1897, when it was dedicated... it states who attended that survived.
There were many different types of locking mechanisms as far as firearms go, matchlock, wheellock, snaphaunce, flintlock. By 1861 the Union army would've been using percussion cap rifles (rifled guns) and muskets (smoothbore) but by 1863 after the proclamation there would be many experimental new mechanisms and rifles (some that predated the civil war) that would eventually enter military service, some due to soldiers wanting better rifles and purchasing it for themselves and others simply receiving rifles purchased from overseas (usually military surplus Enfield's from Great Britain) but also American made Springfield 1861 muzzle loading rifles. There are so many guns that emerge and find great use in the civil war. But an all-black regiment much like other immigrant or minority regiments would receive standard or in all likelihood below standard equipment such as surplus Enfield's or surplus 1861 Springfields which were percussion cap rifles. That was a bit long winded but I felt it important to say the civil war did a great deal for firearms development but there was very little standardized equipment as both armies were desperate for guns, but the Union could produce dramatically more of their own by comparison.
As far as the pay dispute, I know Robert Shaw virtually started protesting the lack of equal pay almost immediately though I believe the soldiers of the regiment were still required to buy their own uniforms which obviously other regiments did not have to do. So it wasn't sunshine and rainbows but it was something.
Thank you for your service is a really good after war movie about a soldier coming back after a really traumatic time and having to adjust to home life and with his PTSD Miles Teller stars in it. A lot of war movies focus on the war or battle and not the aftermath of having to come back home. I think this really showcases the struggle really well
Such a great movie!
"Are they matchlocks or flintlocks?"
Percussion.
If you guys want to see another really good Civil War movie, watch Ride With the Devil, which is about guerilla/terrorist warfare in Missouri. Ang Lee directs and the acting is really good. And it is, like Glory, about a side of the Civil War which we usually don't study because it is not about the big historical battles. Missouri was a slave state, but it did not secede, because it was politically divided.
I'm a reenactor from kansas and ride with the devil is excellent with much of it filmed on location and with a bunch of reenactors to fill background roles.
I saw that. Great movie!
During the civil war it depends on the weapon. Some were muskets and some were rifles.
The ones the troops got were Pattern 1853 Enfield rifles.These were highly accurate rifles, out to 300 yards. They fired a conical "minie-ball" bullet, and used precussion caps instead of a flintlock to fire.
Weapons like that were a BIG reason why casualties were so high in the early part of the war, because they were using napoleonic tactics with RIFLES, so where with muskets you line up and fire, yeah some guys fall, then you charge and usually one side runs. But in the Civil war, you'd fire at each other and WHOLE LINES would drop.
Then in the middle part of the war, casualties (in terms of deaths) dropped a bit, and they started using more modern tactics with cover and such, even small unit tactics in some cases.
Then in the late war casualties shot up again during the overland campaign with Robert E Lee adopting trench Warfare and Grant basically needing to keep the pressure on while Sherman and Sheridan were mopping up the rest of the south, so he could keep Lee from sending reinforcements to the other armies.
Gotta love the switchblade bayonets in that first battle lol
*spoilers*
2:45 During the civil war it wasn't uncommon for a volunteer to be promoted to an officer position based on having an education beyond basic reading and math
2:56 Antietam remains the single deadliest day in American history, it is often described by military historians as "a battle fought on autopilot"
3:35 amidst the smoke of black powder weapons it can become difficult to identify individuals at any distance beyond ~50 yards (one of the reasons volley lines held on so long in warfare) so units were trained to stick close to the unit colors (flags). Conversely, it was easier to aim at the flag at a distance, the most dangerous thing to be in this era is a flag bearer
9:15 an attitude that we would consider extremely racist was mostly normal in the 1800's (not saying it's right, just the way it was)
11:23 I love this depiction of a drill sergeant, it is how they should be
26:11 Quartermaster is "busy" come back later...
29:30 Those uniforms were wool, in two or three layers. Also, body armor was considered obsolete until the first world war. so, no
36:00 I can't say anything about this, save it is probably the most perfectly delivered dressing down I have ever seen
39:23 No bayonets
39:28 Bayonets, when did those get there?
42:00 if anyone ever says this during a war they have guaranteed it will continue for at least another year
46:41 Director cameo
48:04 Bayonet drill has been used as a morale boost technique up into the 21st century (Brits conducted a successful bayonet charge in Afghanistan). By calling on the routine, Shaw is bypassing some of the fear that the men may feel looking at the fortifications, and also sending an unsaid message of "this is where it matters, give this everything you have"
48:29 There was actually a great deal of calculation that went into the pacing of a unit's approach, start too fast too early and your men are exhausted before the fight, too late and you get cut apart by (first) cannons with case rounds, (second) rifle fire, and (third) cannons with canister rounds and more rifle fire (see Antietam above and Pickett's charge at Gettysburg)
Fort Wagner may never have been taken, but it was abandoned before the end of the war
You cut it out, there is a brief few frames during the battle of a solider waving the colors crying "rally", this is a representation of the first African American to earn the Congressional Medal of Honor (it wasn't actually awarded for a couple of decades)
The 54th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment continued to exist and earn accolades, the other standout being during a campaign in Florida where they hauled a broken down train, engine and all, several *miles*, by hand, to prevent the wounded soldiers on board from being captured
It is currently the ceremonial unit of the Massachusetts National Guard
That was the writer, not director :)
Also, their actions in Florida that you mention would make a fantastic film in its own right. Perhaps juxtaposed with the plight of the captured members of the regiment held in Charleston.
Tears of the Sun,great war movie!
For desertion
Punishments could vary but they were all severe. Some were killed, others were publically humiliating.
And The Punishment Of Flogging Was The Same For White Regiments As Well!!
@@jamesedwards2483 in some cases yes. In other cases, naked wearing a barrel labeled deserter.
As much as I despise the CSA, i love the brief shot of them beating battle stations when the 54th attacks wagner.
You really get the sense of like.... these men were hunkered down for weeks, but need to be ready to fight at any moment. Suddenly, someone spots enemy troop movement, the drums are beaten, and all of a sudden, they're in a battle.
Really well done. A lesser film wouldn't have shown this sudden spring to action.
Glory is a incredible movie. Fantastic reaction.
There is an actual book about Robert Shaw, with copies of his letters in it. Unlike, Braveheart, which is an amazing movie; this is much closer to the story. There is a letter which he implores his family and Frederick Douglas to help with his uniforms and shoes. I wrote my main college paper on the Cuvil Way, and nothing captures the brutality like this (see Savin Private Ryan). Many historians say that the war was about the 10th amendment. They're horribly shortsided. Many from the south also fought with the Union to free the people. Many were Irish because they were the first slaves. Sadly, there are still so many countries in the eastern hemisphere that still have slavery.
I was on a big Matthew Broderick kick years ago and rented this film, and spent the last 10 minutes of the film sobbing my heart out. The idea that all those men died gutted me. I was pretty young, and I don't think I was prepared for that ending at the time. I probably went in expecting a somewhat "happy" ending or at least a "successful" battle ending. So to see them taken out like that and their bodies dumped into a mass grave with very little ceremony... I remember sobbing and sobbing. I wasn't sure I'd ever be able to watch it again. But it is an amazing film, and the acting is stellar all around.
So fun fact about the mass grave: When Roberts family found out that the army were trying to recover Roberts body from it his dad wrote them a letter which included the following: "We would not have his body removed from where it lies surrounded by his brave and devoted soldiers. ... We can imagine no holier place than that in which he lies, among his brave and devoted followers, nor wish for him better company. - what a body-guard he has!"
When I learned this it made me have a whole new appreciation for that scene.
5:10 I've heard one story about a Union soldier that was shot. He refused to be dragged to a medical tent and said, "I'd rather be killed by rebel bullets than a Union surgeon."
It's been years since I heard this so it may have been warped in one way or another.
Such a great movie. Well done, fellas!
Wow, this is such a coincidence hahahaha. I just watched this movie as part of an extra-credit assignment the last week of the last Spring semester.
Historically speaking, this movie is excellent. Some things in the movie happened numerous times instead of just once. Like refusing pay because of them being paid less than the White soldiers. Their brigade commander at Fort Wagner was a pure racist, even by standards back then.
The first battle in the being is Sharpsburg or Antietam. The 3rd win by the Union army in the East against Lee. The prior 2 being during the 7 days battles in Virginia.
There were 2 Regiments, the 53rd and 54th Massachusetts.
A Regiment is 1080 men Authorized 100 per company plus officers and Band.
They were treated well after the attack. Before that... well.... Fort Wagner was their trial by fire which earned respect and led to the creation of the US Colored Troops. For the Irish it was Fredericksburg and the attack on Maryes Heights.
The guns were accurate,
They pay there were given was the rate of a laborer, not thay for the infantry.
Don't know if I'd call Sharpsburg a victory a couple more victories like that and the North might have lost the war.
@@samellowery Most people called it a draw. The Lincoln administration called it a victory. It can be called a win because Robert E. Lee left the battle field in the control of the Union Army..
But casualties for the major actions are high. Look at Gettysburg, on the first 2 days they were averaging nearly 20k casualties per day. The 3rd day was when the losses started to slow down.
Percussion lock. It has a pewter cap filled with explosive that ignites when hit with a hammer. The primer cap goes on a nipple that allows flame to get to the blackpowder inside the barrel of the weapon. These were muzzle loaders equipped with Minie bullets. These bullets were designed to drop down a rifled bore easily, and to expand to fit the rifling when the powder charge was detonated.
Percussion caps or musket caps as they were called were stamped out of copper and filled with Mercury Fulminate and usually ground glass.
@@samellowery Thanks for your input on musket caps. I thought I had read somewhere that they were made of pewter.
That style of combat makes more sense if you think of them not as riflemen, but as a phalanx of men with extremely long spears.
It really was the only way to defeat a similarly armed army.
Great, great movie. Yes reenactors were used.
Look up Pvt. James Carney. In the actual battle, he's the one who picked up the flag, and was shot multiple times. Unlike the movie, however, he survived and returned with the colors, despite multiple bullet wounds and massive blood loss. He was later promoted to sergeant and survived the war. He would become the first African-American soldier to receive the Medal of Honor...in 1900, 36 years later.
Matthew Broderick was brilliant here. Us growing up during the time this movie was released were also surprised at his casting. Also, this was the first time many of us saw Denzel and Morgan in serious roles as well. It was personally odd for me to see Cary Elwes (Princess Bride) playing a sort of villian. We saw this in high school history class in 1992. I own this movie, and it is still my favorite Civil War movie to date.
They ran out of Chloroform (inhaled anesthesia in the day) in the field, thus the gentleman screaming during amputation.
Thomas was more Frederick Douglass than General Grant... He would've done more good after the war as a Congressman (first black congressman 1870 Hiram Revels).
Gettysburg is a great movie. This is Antietam, a year before, and the biggest battle before Gettysberg. A cousin, a Confederate general, was killed by a Union sharpshooter at this first battle.
Robert's father did not accept his body to return home because he was in the best company he could ever have, or words to that effect. This was only director Edward Zwick's second movie.
One of my favorite war films is Letters From Iwo Jima. It's kind of like a companion to Flags of Our Fathers, as it's more centered on the Japanese side of that particular battle. It's a little difficult to find out how historically accurate the film is, but I think that it's an interesting look into another side of WWII that Americans don't really think about. Most of the film is in Japanese with English subtitles so it might be hard to do reaction to, but I still recommend it if you get a chance to watch it on your own time.
I love that pair of films - Flags for the look at propaganda, and Letters for looking at a conflict from an opposing point of view
Ken Watanabe is amazing in it (just as he was in Last Samurai). Flag of Our Fathers was meant to be the major one of the two movies, but Letter From Iwo Jima got more attention and awards nominations.
this movie made me cry everytime i watched it
I love what James says at 19:10 "If we're doing this, this is a movement." Indeed it was, as were many events where white and black had to come together and put their lives on the line for freedom and equality. Yours is my favorite reaction to this movie, because, in my opinion, you guys have the most complete understanding of what was needed and what the 54th represented, as far as the movie is concerned.
I like this movie but they really did a massive character assassination on the great abolitionists David Hunter and James Montgomery to make Shaw look more unique and special.
Hunter never owned slaves, he was a lifelong abolitionist and was actually dismissed from command multiple times for trying to recruit escaped slaves before Lincoln authorized it. Rather than needing to be bribed or blackmailed, he was the *first* to demand that black men be allowed to fight (and they had been fighting under himself and Montgomery long before Shaw reached the front)
Montgomery was an anti-slavery crusader, not low-key racist with improperly trained men as portrayed. He was a personal friend of Harriet Tubman and with her would lead anti-slavery raids deep into southern territory, personally emancipating thousands. He did burn Darien, GA and Shaw was indeed uncomfortable with it, but it was because the men of the town ran off into the woods to warn the confederates, not for the fun of it.
You don't have to take it from me though, you can read the war journal of Thomas Wentworth Higginson who, like Montgomery, also commanded a regiment of black soldiers under Hunter.