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Growing up in Slovakia/Czech Republic, many kids had a small version of a Tatra truck and we used to ride on them down the road/hills lol
Jak si vzpomínám tak sedět na korbě a za kraválu umělohmotných koleček dolů s kopce :D. Já měl Tatru 815 soused 148 :D
@@schoking to bol rachot :D:D prekonalo aj povodnu tatru :D
Probably everyone had a Tatra 815 or Tatra 148 in orange
Home made from Nails, wood and glue??
@@MrMambott No. Normal plastic just like any other toys/models. Learn to be respective of our childhood toys and memories.
TATRA - most succesfull truck at DAKAR RALLY before KAMAZ era. Karel Loprais had 6 victories and total 13x top 4 finishes between 1987-2003,
Only reason why Kamaz is successful is because they have unlimited budget
For every non-czech speaker:
Original video name: 'TATRA Trucks - Comparison of civilian cargo chassis 8x8'
Blue truck is really MAN. At 1:16 says 'Commercial vehicle with rigid axles in 8x8 configuration. Year of manufacture 2018.'
Silver/grey is TATRA. At 1:16 says 'Commercial vehicle with TATRA chassis with independent pivoting semi-axles in 8x8 configuration. Year of manufacture 2018.'
1:21'Load 8 tons (Total weight 26 tons)'
1:38 'A) Road type: Cobblestone'
'Podvozek TATRA' = 'TATRA chassis', 'Běžný podvozek' = 'Regular chassis'
2:07 'B) Road type: Paving'
2:46 MAN '20 km/h (higher speed is not possible with respect to handling)'
4:34 'C) Road type: Belgian tiles'
4:45 same meaning as in 2:46
5:37 'D) Road type: Vehicle torsion test track'
5:50 TATRA 'minimal vehicle torsion', MAN 'vehicle torsion up to 12 deg'
6:13 same meaning as in 2:46
The reason TATRA is doing so well is that it doesn't have basic conception of rigid chassis with axles, where movement of one axle half can transfer to other half of axle and so to whole chassis. Instead it has rigid tubular backbone around which can every semi-axle pivot independently reducing movement transfered to chassis.
And the chart at 6:18 shows the sum of accelerations measured at the driver seat for both vehicles for each road surface. Basicaly a measure of how much the driver gets jerked around.
I love tha fact that you as and American are interested in our Czech trucks, and it really shows that these are something we can be proud of as a country
If we cant compete in quantity, we have to compete in quality, and whatever you are you can appreciate quality
TATRA the first vendor which produced aerodynamic car... and many more special cars.. for army as well. Army special 8x8 air cooled... Im veteran and I saw shocked royal engineers when seeing on that.. so Thumbs up !
The independent swing axle suspension of the Tatras used to have a tendency to have them gently rock from side to side when you were just driving down a smooth highway at speed making for a slightly seasickness inducing ride, but I suspect they've managed to dial that out by now.
yeah, i see it like the tatra is better for bad ways, on fields, constructions and things like that, and MAN used to be for mor roadway usage
There really wasn't a chance to drive like that for the longest time in Czechoslovakia, so nobody bothered. But it's been solved I think, even though it feels a bit like a ship sometimes.
As you said. I think Tatra is aiming for more of a offroad customers, like forestry and agriculture industry. Thats the advantage of the Phoenix model
The biggest advantage of Tatra is that it has a torsionally stiff chassis based on a central spine with independent wheel articulation via swing axles. The MAN like most trucks has an independent ladder type chassis that is allowed to flex (the Unimog uses this to incredible effect) but necessarily means that the ride is compromised and the cab has to be segregated from the chassis, usually with its own suspension.
This test didn't say very much about quality. Tatra just had air suspension and pretty every test was suspension based. What about engine lifespan, max load, max speed, drive assistance, safety features, fuel efficiency, maintenance cost and many factors more?
@@martymcfly6914 Yeah, there are more reasons than just nationality to why Swedish drivers prefer Scania and Volvo over almost any other brand. Especially for this kind of work, as well as for lumber hauling. Stuff rarely breaks but when it does there's usually a workshop relatively nearby.
@@martymcfly6914 Tatra doesn't really care about any of that much. Its selling points are exceptional off-road performance when loaded, very high torsional stiffness because of the backbone chassis and a modular design that can relatively easily be assembled into any configuration you want.
@@tntfreddan3138 a finn here, the trucks you can see on the road here, 60-70% Scania, it is baffling once you notice it. For me it started 'some' years ago when Euro Truck Simulator 2 launched. lol its been a decade
@@DerMacko Lol your name means "gate" in Hungarian.
As mentioned by several fellow correspondents, the Tatra uses a quite unusual single-tube chassis within which the drive shaft runs: this configuration first appeared in Tatra models since the 1920s, with the luxurious Type 80 of 1931 being the best known.
It is not only the suspension that sets the Tatra apart…
The transmission is also very special!!
The gearbox drives a shaft that runs through the central tubular chassis, at every ‘axle’ (it actually consists of two swingarms pivoting around the chassis tube) the drive shaft is connected to a differential.
It’s worth looking up on the site of the Tatra factory!!
Buddy bouncing around in the blue truck reminds me of Ace Ventura bouncing around in the Land Rover in the movie Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls. 😂
The cab and engine on the Tatra are made by DAF, a Dutch truck manufacturer that's owned by a company you may be familiar with, Paccar
The chassis and suspension are what really sets them apart and I think they're still designed and made entirely in-house
Yes, the chassis is still designed and manufactured exclusively here in the Czech Republic
Tatra engines mainly use Paccar brands. The automated shifting system uses its own shifting software developed together with ZF technicians.
I remember the biggest mystery of the childhood: Why Tatra trucks have wheels on the other sides of it bent in different directions when without the load.
It looked like there was something wrong with them :D
But after some years I understand: Tubular frame and indepentent semi-axles ;)
Not anymore. Since invention of computer the air suspension automatically calculates the load and make everything perfect and smooth.
@@ondrejvaverka5933 those where old Taras from 80/90 ;)
@@mateuszg9866 thats not because lots of weight, (it can be but..) most often it was caused by bad air suspension which need repair
Tatra's unique suspension/chassis makes it ideal for quarries and stuff. They are pretty successful in Dakar as well
On hard surface it is ok, in sand it is not so famous
@@4t61405 pretty sure paris to dakar is a lot of sand seem to remember a military spec tatra coming out the factory and completing the rally just fine back in the day and they still perform extremely well in dakar now as well
Iveco is far better tbh
@@fab8657 🤣🤣🤣🤣 yeah right if the engine stays together and the electrics work for longer than an hour or something critical dont fall off or it hasnt rotted away completely. Funny thing is ya dont see many ivecos at the heavy truck trials meets in europe or the uk and ladder chassis is a proven looser to spine chassis and independent suspension so how tf is a cheap recycled Sedon Atinkoson with a rip off cummins in it better
@Mr Wolf funny how Ivecos are used all over the world and in extreme conditions too like in construction areas and whatever. Also maybe you forgot that Iveco just won the Dakar.
Tatra are all-wheel drive with swing-axle independant suspension on every axle. The chassis is a body length massive tube that contains the transmission shafts that go from axle to axle to axle. Up to four axles on the largest standard chassis, with special chassis' with even more. Early Tatras had air-cooled V8 and V12 diesel engines, with more recent versions using modern water-cooled power plants from European manufacturers. I'm not certain, but I think they have diff-locks, but I cannot be sure. They have the usual tyre inflation systems for on-the-fly pressure regulation, and use unusual tyres that have harder rubber compound on the outer edge, so that unladen, when the axle is lightly laden and the axles a swung downwards at an angle, they tend to drive on only the outer edge of the tyres. The rally trucks adjust the suspension, particularly noticeably at the front, and lower the height, thus causing the wheels to angle outwards at the bottom so that at full lean on corners, they're pretty much upright and giving the best contact patch. The system was designed by Hans Ledwinka in 1923, and continues largely unchanged to this day. Many years ago when Tatra still made cars, I was involved with the British design team, led by Tim Bishop, who brought the cold-war Tatra 613 up to Euro-spec, with a fully compliant engine, 30% more power, and a top-spec luxury interior. The last Tatra cars, after our contribution, had a body redesign, some even had Porsche engine barrels to increase capacity yet further. All Tatras were rare cars, and are highly collectible these days. I also worked on the 603 'spaceship' sedans, as well as war-era T87 sedans (which were extremely fast for the day, the one I ones I worked on could do around 100mph a drove much like a modern car... except that the brakes were 'a bit scary', and you needed to be a bit of a Bernd Rosemeyer to cope with on-the-limit handling. I recall driving at 45degrees across a London cross junction because the tyre pressures were a bit low... buttock clenching stuff.
I have the little son of the Tatra independent suspension truck: a Steyr-Puch Pinzgauer 6x6. The Pinzgauer was designed by the son of the Tatra truck designer and has, in little, the same features.
I have been on that test track few times,first time as 17 years old student,part of mu study was in Tatra factory,last time year ago...my friend's doughter works there in managment,she just called driver and we went on test track...it's cool place
Tatra je súper a vždy bola!
The Tatra Edge is the independent Suspension .I've been driving a MAN HX81 camper with TAK4 Independent Suspension for 11 Years around Asia and Africa, it drives like a cloud.
the biggest difference is Tatra has 845 emploeyees and the other is part of a company with over 672.000 emploeyees
Tatra isn't one of the big players on the European truck market yet, but they are renowned for their very capable off road chassis.
The use of air suspension on a dump truck is rather special, these usually have leaf springs.
On European road trucks and trailers the use of air bellows is almost universal on all brands as it gives a smoother ride and therefore offers better comfort and minimizes cargo damage due to bad roads. Semi trailers have 3 independent air sprung axles with super single tyres rather than the leaf spring tandem axle still so common in the US.
Tatra has been producing trucks since the end of 19th century.
First car Tatra Prasident 1897.
Translation from Czech:
Man Truck: Commercial vehicle on chassis with rigid axles in 8 x 8 configuration, year of manufacture 2018
Tatra: Commercial vehicle on Tatra chassis with independent pivoting semi-axles in 8 x 8 configuration, year of manufacture 2018
Load 8 tons (total weight 26 tons)
Graph: Comparison of driver seat vibration acceleration on specific polygon roads at home in all axes 8 x 8 vehicle weight 26 tons
I hope you enjoyed the Dakar this year. Trucks were especially juicy!
What did they emasure in the graph?
They measured the vibrations according to the ISO 2651-1. The values are sums of accelerations in all thre directions (longitunal, transversal and vertical). Yet I do not know wheteher they are mean values or peak.
On the horizontal axis there are the types of the paving and vehicle speeds.
Hope it helped.
The newest Tatra vs. an old MAN. Not really a fair test.
both are 2018
not sure, but to me the writing in the video looks like it could be czech, and Tatra is a czech company.
thus yes, this "test" might be a bit biased ...
some testing for bigger loads and how well they are doing under different conditions would also be nice.
Old MAN and newest Tatra? Both are built in 2018
That video is from 2020 when both of these cars were new.
Of course, build 2018, but the MAN was designed many years ago. While the Tatra is a new design, and much more expensive.
It is night and day because its not a fair comparison, the newest tatra against at least a 2 generation old MAN with not the same fittings pack chosen is not a fair comparison. You could also order the MAN with all round air suspensions.
both are built in 2018 ...
@@EnjoyFirefighting and if you order your golf with a 2 liter 4 cylinder and i order mine as gti with nearly 400 ps it’s fair, if both are produced 2023? THINK, man! 🤦♂️
@@erebostd they're both 8×8 . Both for the same work. The MAN chassis is just different from the Tatra 🙈 .
Whenever someone do tests and post it on CZcams, then all the CZcams men will comment shit like "This is not a fair comparison" and other BS.
Does it really matter? Even if that MAN is older than the Tatra, they were both manufactured in 2018. Also people can compare whatever they like.
@@erebostd both are of the same dimension, both are 8x8 and both are built for the same purpose. The only unfair aspect is that we don't know the precise engine specs which however aren't really a relevant aspect when looking at the shock absorbers and how the chassis reacts onto the surface.
Apart from that the primary issue mentioned in the original post was the statement that it would be an older MAN truck compared to a newer Tatra truck which just isn't true ...
THINK man!
If you like Tstra watch out new self propelled howitzer "Morana" it is set to Tatra chasi. Looks freaking good.
You have to look at the old Tatra 813 8x8, they are just awesome!
Tatra is Tatra...best of best...tatra concept is still brilliant...thank you Hans Ledwinka the Master of engineering...PS: I am from Kopřivnice, born city of Tatra 🙂
Tatra has a special suspension called the backbone that is fully independent and allows for a crap ton of stability and allows plenty of suspension flex.
The last test is the most telling when it comes to AWD, as the MAN did better IF you know what to look for, note the left side No2 axle wheel was off the ground on the Tatra which is lost traction and increased mass on the remaining contact wheels of No1 and No2 axle which would cause deeper wheel ruts relative to the MAN (deeper wheel ruts cause more resistance), but it is the rear bogie of No3 and No4 that is the fundamental advantage of the MAN, as the Tatra undergoes huge weight changes between the wheel that is highest on No3 axle and the wheel that is the lowest on No4 axle, which is a fundamental problem with independent none-reactive suspension off-road, while the MAN uses a two-spring balance beam bogie setup, which is a reactive suspension, meaning as say the left No3 wheel is forced upward the left No4 wheel is forced downward and the weight on the rear of the truck is presented on the left and right spring carrier trunnion, in essence the left and right spring function like an inverted seesaw, and the weight on the respective left and right No3 and No4 axle wheels is much more uniform through a greater range of undulation, which means shallower wheel-ruts, less resistance to moving forward, and better maintaining of traction.
:-D :-D IF you know what to look for.... yeah well said, cause that test was bout chassis rigidity... And your elaborated comment is little bit irrelevant because TATRA still goes and its build to go even (especially) in harsh conditions, that is said to your AWD nonsense...
@@CrazyBubaCZE but here is the thing, chassis rigidity is one of the enemies of off-road ability, and shifts the bias of capability onto the suspension side of things, it was the Tatra that had a wheel OFF THE GROUND due to the combination of rigidity and deficiency in the suspension, and the suspension especially with regard to the rear axles has further less obvious deficiency when it comes to how weight is distributed upon the wheels as suspension articulation changes.
like any test for the purpose of marketing or other bias, you try to highlight the positives while ignoring the negatives, a wheel lifting OFF the ground is a negative relative to the MAN that didn't, as is one of the problems of independent none-reactive suspension on multi-axle setups on undulation like shown.
nothing I said was nonsense, and was based on the ability to objectively look past what the "test" was presented as, yes the Tatra is more ridged if you want to only see that bias and want to ignore the other things seen or the fundamental problems of one system vs another.
This is a Rock crawler 4x4 view. A truck is a tool to do a task. Having driven a T815 8x8 and a Scania R 8x8 the Tatra just works better. It has locking diffs on all 4 axles and you rarely need them in anything other than soft sand or mud. Add into this that your load is staying vertical which in a HGV truck is important as roll over is a risk that the Merc U5000 unimogs suffer from as the cab/bed are articulated so the loaded bed will pull the truck over as it weighs more than the cab that the front soaked up ok. If you are empty that is ok but that is not what a HGV is for is it? Also in terms of traction or speed in the Tatra that means momentum, you can maintain a static forward speed because all 4 axles act the same way and fully loaded this is key. If you think this is all BS then Google Truck offroading and the weapon of choice here is the air cooled V12 T813 8x8.
@@b101uk BLA BLA BLA... sorry you still don't get it... Yes the wheel was in the air and what?! What you said technically isn't nonsense but it is absolutelly irrelevant because you live in 'theory world'...
I have been building and servicing trucks (for logging, communal service, construction & road building companies etc..) we build MAN, Scania, MB, Volvo & Tatra, big or small class doesn't matter. Do you know what brand was most present when it comes to logging and heavy constructions?! Well Tatra (Scania was second), wonder why... Did you see some truck trial videos?! If yes then you probably see some Tatra trucks, wonder why if they have so inferior AWD capability... But back to topic, the whole video was about chassis rigidity and stability and/yet driver comfort, which is undoubtedly better in Tatra, yes some can say that Tatra was on air and MAN wasn't. Was it on purpose? I bet so, I'm not a czech TATRA fanboy(althou I like them much), but believe me that even with same suspension elements, Tatra will be more comfortable than any other truck brand, ESPECIALLY when unloaded like on video... Sorry for that harsh comment, but someone has to curb your MAN fanboyism ;-)
@@CrazyBubaCZE but I don't live in a 'theory world', I have empirical knowledge from years of driving off-road in 4x4, 6x6 and 8x8 trucks, some of which I have owned while also engineering bodies for them to convert them from their former life, this includes for forestry, another area I have spent many a years in in the past.
you mention 'truck trial' tell me, when was the last time a Tatra won the European championship in the 6x6 or 8x8 class? that's correct they don't for as long as I can remember, its trucks like Ural, Zil, Steyr and MB in the 6x6 class and MB and MAN in the 8x8 class, which are for the most part trucks that use same functional rear bogie axle group suspension setup that maximises articulation and equalises weight distribution upon the wheels for longer like the MAN in the video, yes people do use Tatra mainly in the CZ rounds, and yes they may occasionally win the odd singular event or stages within event, but they are just not consistent or good enough to win the championship based on multiple events each with multiple stages.
chassis rigidity\driver comfort dose not get your load from A to B per se, now maybe if you have to move some glassware or lose eggs from A to B that may be a factor, but for most things moved off-road its not, your main consideration is NOT making wheel ruts as deep and getting to point B, maintaining wheels on the ground for as long as posable thus having your weight distributed on as many points of contact as posable, while minimising the maximum weight placed on any individual wheel, things like 'driver comfort' are secondary or even tertiary considerations to the primary tasks of, crossing the terrain and getting your load there, and maintaining the pathway for as long as posable for subsequent passes, and when you have high individual wheel loads caused by chassis rigidity and deficiency in the chosen suspension type being none-reactive this dose not help reduce wheel-ruts or the longevity of the pathway for re-use and subsequent passage even though it may be more 'comfortable', given things get significantly less 'comfortable' when your truck IS the cause of wheel ruts getting deeper and your truck coming to a stop.
after all if your the Tatra marketing department or test driver there are many ways to make your competitors truck look worse, like change the rates or dampers of the cab springs, wind-up the pre-set driver mass of the air-seat to make it much more ridged rather than floaty, run the tyres at significantly higher pressure than the axle-load would dictate to maintain SLR, pick a speed for the test that the harmonics of the corrugations of the surface are misaligned to the harmonics of the suspension of your competitors truck rather than your truck (for the uninitiated harmonic corrugations are why things like dirt and compacted gravel tracks that are traversed at moderate speed get a washboard effect on them and pot-holes at seemingly regular intervals, and why there is an individual incremental speed bands that a vehicle will ride at its smoothest, and small increase in speed can have a transformative effect in ride comfort, as the compression and rebound rates of the suspension dictate the distance between the peaks and troughs of the sinewave of the suspension vs the sinewave of the surface, and small speed changes change the relationship of how the sinewaves of both interact, the same applies to cobbled surface too being optimal speed-bands for smoothness based on the aforementioned).
there is NO MAN fanboyism here from me, as what i talk about is a common suspension system used by most of the worlds truck makers for their high off-road bias trucks and heavy haulage trucks, because it offers the most articulation, maintains an equal weight on the rear drive-wheels through the greatest range of articulation, because it is a reactive-suspension, in the case of the video it just happens to be depicted on a MAN in this case, but can be found on the trucks of MOST manufactures from across the world.
the only fanboyism in this thread is from the Tatra brigade....
The stiffness of the chassis is not that much about comfort as about ability to withstand load in long-term. Tantras generally age much slower in harsh conditions. MAN or M-Zetros are very good trucks and sufficient for most of the duties. But when you're in mine, far north, desert, muddy forrest and such 24/7, you'll quickly realize the difference. And yes, I wanted that truck test & rallye driver in Tatra too, when I was younger :)
mmm, the Tatra method makes it much easer to mount body structures upon the chassis that are susceptible to torsion, conventional chassis need bodies designed with torsion in mind, and in the cases of bodies or loads that don't twist they need 3-point or other types of multi-point mounting that permit the chassis twist\torsion while allowing the body to remain ridged, when it comes to ridged bodies the Tatra is cheaper in engineering that body solution, BUT it comes at the compromise of off-road ability at extremes, while a body or mounting method which permits torsion with a conventional chassis will have greater off-road ability at extremes provided it is matched correctly with suitable suspension.
the central torque-tube and thus enclosed drive-system is what makes Tatra ridged and arguably longer lasting in harsh conditions, but it is also what causes them to get stuck more often, have worse ramp-over angles, and take longer to fix when the do brake, relative to conventional drivelines.
as for operation in the harshest most unforgiving conditions of heat or cold, mud etc you have to weigh the risk of breakage of items which is inevitable, with that of availability and ease of replacement of parts in a timely manner, and the ease of working around a situation of a breakage, and that is where for the small advantage of Tatra Mercedes, MAN, Scania, Volvo have Tatra beaten, as Mercedes for example there are very few country's on Earth that don't have some form of Mercedes dealer, given if you have an EPC (electronic parts catalogue) ANY Mercedes dealer even if they are just a car dealer you can order truck parts to be delivered there for your specific truck based on its VIN number, so you can just tell the dealer what you need without reliance on the dealer to find the correct part themselves.
there are significantly more fleets Mercedes, MAN\VW, Scania, Volvo running very high payloads\train-weights in harsh mining conditions in South America, Africa and the middle-east and Asia than there are Tatra.
@@b101uk As for the chassis, I haven't heard of anything that makes rigid chases less capable. Especially it doesn't make much sense in case of Tatra, which has half-axles that adapt to terrain much better than fixed axles. Axles of Tatra are not lower than fixed axles with same tyres. Even the central tube between axles doesn't make much difference, drivers drag it over logs or terrain bumps with no damage. With exposed drive rod (which is the case of most classic chassis), you have to be very careful and maintain safe clearance anyway, because it's super easy to snap it.
Don't get me wrong - all those brands like MAN, Mercedes or Volvo do also great trucks and in most conditions they will work very well. Tatra is very heavy duty truck out of the box, even if you take the basic dumper truck. So even comparing them is from some point of view unfair. And this has also effect on reliability and need to get spare parts in the first place. Not to mention, that these days you can get Tatra spares anywhere in the world, even lot of chinese knock-offs, if you're advanterous. But yes, Tatra certainly doesn't have such a dealers network and AFAIK their main selling point is to convince customers to compare long-term wear and costs. I know for a fact, that some dealers do things like rent one truck to a stone mine long-term, so that cusomers can compare. And they succeed enough to grow, so it seem to work.
But again, you'e quite right, that Tatra won't be a top choice in much of the world, because in developed world in most places you don't have difficult terrain and harsh conditions and you do have those MANs and MBs around the corner.
There is no other chassis, only TATRA
So that's the reason why theTatrs doesn't sell. Because they are so good. The second generation MAN TG series wiped the flour with the Tatra. Sales numbers don't lie.
@@23GreyFox what makes you think they don't sell? They're production is quite stretched and growing, AFAIK. As I wrote, MAN and Tatra don't do a same product in the 1st place. MAN does a lot of light, delivery and hauling and etc. trucks in addition to that and is much much larger producer. With this logic, Rosenbauer would also be a rubbish, but they're probably the number one in AARF.
Thst tatra suspension and design come from the 80s. It is old but gold. Literally it is patented as a tatra lower body truck.
Tatra suspension is pretty unique. They run a central drive spine down a tube instead of propshafts. Then the axles are ran off that spine making every half axle totally independent. Hence huge articulation, incredible traction and a great offroad ride.
The MAN is on standard multidif props and leafsprings.
Hence the huge difference.
Tatra is part of Pacard, which is kenworth, peterbuilt, Daf, Leyland, Foden, Scammel, Ginaf
I like Tatra.At Tatru, like in my childhood, the whole family used to travel
This Tatra is a military prototype Tatra 815-6 VWN9T 43 610 8X8.1R
You know MAD MAX movie? all big trucks there are on Tatra chasis... because only tatra can go high speed in offroad... teherefore they chosen tatra chasis..... tatra chasis is the best for offroad ever made... with its back bone tube and axis....
And in our next test: Apples vs. Oranges
The test at 2:12 Are the trucks going the same speed? cause it feels like the MAN is going quite a bit faster over the bumps if you look at the far corner of the cabin and the ground behind the truck's
They are not going the same speed, the MAN truck is driving faster.
I wouldn't get caught up in trifles, the truth is clear. On the other hand, as a purely road vehicle, the Tatra would be a flop and expensive
@@4t61405 Drive it in loose material empty and tatra is probably going to sink unless you lock all axles
Tatra seems to use their patented swingaxle independent suspension.
Here is the translation 1:22 8 tons loaded. Complete weight 26 tons . Běžný podvozek is MAN truck, Podvozek Tatra is Tatra. 2:50 under 20km/h větší rychlost, s ohledem na ovladatelnost, není možná. It Means "higher speed with regard to handling is not possible". 6:19 Comparsion of acceleration of vibrations on drivers seat on special polygon tracks. All axles 8x8 Weight of Trucks 26tons Yellow line is Tatra blue line is MAN.
The big difference is the Center tube chassis with the swing-axels on the Tatra against the ladder-chassis with the solid axels on the MAN. The Tatra is unique in that.
Zámecký vrch 2017 - David Vršecký a dakarská Tatra-Phoenix,Buggyra
TATRA 💪💪
Air suspension in trucks is usually terrible. If they go onto anything like loose materials, they either just stop driving forward or spin. Not sure why but out Civic Construction company trialed one and then gave it back. Also, yes they float on the road so while smooth, never stop bouncing or rocking from side to side.
Love Tatra.🥰🥰🥰
@IWrocker you're testing my mind here. I love both, MAN and Tatra and now you've just come up with this video, gee xD
Hint from someone who lives in Europe: Check out Tatra T815 and Tatra T813 you'd be mind boggled what those trucks are capable :D
Tatra 813 Drtikol/Kolos (Wheelcrusher/Colos) is a beast. 815 is amazing platform but whats really a superbeast is Tatra 815-7 Force.
@@alucardonus Details, the T815 in it of itself get delivered up to an turbo charged engine. The t813 doesn't while its advantage is the air cooled system tbh. ^^
@@BruceCarbonLakeriver Yeah but 813 being a 60's project was something really unchallanged at the time. Even today it can perform better than many military trucks.
@@alucardonus yep true that. The concept was copied even from KAMAZ :D
@@BruceCarbonLakeriver Whole suspension setup is original tatra patent from 20's tho
5:20 with the red dice looks like he's on the Cross Bronx.
The Tatra kills the MAN.
The world best off-road tuck are tatra and Tatra Build an V8 Air cooled engine.
Tatra is the BEST!!!
Both pretty good for 8 wheelers, but the white truck won that battle at the end
The comparison is not fair , take the penultimate building and cheapest MAN and the most expensiv Tatra. Compare further the processing quality
Whenever someone do tests and post it on CZcams, then all the CZcams men will comment shit like "This is not a fair comparison" and other BS.
Does it really matter? Even if that MAN is older than the Tatra, they were both manufactured in 2018. Also people can compare whatever they like.
btw. Tatra plant produced 2.car ever made after Daymler.... so old is our Czech car industry tradition.... naturaly name Tatra comes later...
Good luck finding a shop that can repair a Tatra.
here in 🇨🇿😂🙋
Should be that hard they cooparate with DAF!
@@Cp-rp5tr that's what I said...
even in Austria we have several shops for Tatra :)
@@Cp-rp5tr True almost the whole cabin incl dashboard is actually DAF :)
Engine is Paccar afaik and suspension .. well that's the Tatra thing over all :D
A lot of people here say it's not a fair comparison, please don't get mad but you've misunderstood the concept. This is not about the age of the cars or the air vs leaf suspension.Tatra will always drive better in such terrain. it doesn't matter if it's new or 40 years old. Here it is an independent suspension that is important.
therefore, it is necessary to understand how independent suspension works and how a solid axle works, without this knowledge it is difficult to draw a conclusion.
Bit of a side note, Tatra built a V8 car that killed a bunch of SS Officers during WW2 until they were forbidden from buying them. Something they should have been given a medal for....
Tatra uses cabines of DAF Trucks. This one is the topline XF version.
Do you have Truck trial competition there in US?
The Tatra Suspension has a disadvantage on road because of camber change on wheel travel. It was good and unimportant on big diagonal offroad tyres, but with belted radials you loose grip and get an uneven tread wear. That's why the swing axle disappeared in the late 60s, it is also prone to roll over due to a high roll centre and resulting high roll momentum.
All you said is true, however in these big trucks weighing almost 20 tonnes empty, these issues arent as big of a problem as you might think. Normal cars with swing axle, that is a big oof, like tatra 613 or american corvair. But these big rigs benefit from the torsion stiffness and angular rigidity of the tubular chassis more, than they are disadvantaged by the camber change. Just my two cents.
The swing axle ( torq tube) design was used Ti'l 2000......the man who invented this was Hans Ledwinka , later his son Erich Ledwinka used this design in the Steyr-Puch-Haflinger and later in the steyr puch pinzgauer.....the last pinzgauers wher build in the u.k Til 2000.
@@Stepica Yeah, that's true, but still, road performance is lacking. And since even nearly all offroad hauling trucks in Central Europe drive most of the time on paved roads, it's quite important.
@joeri gielen the torque tube yes, the swing axle was patented by Edmund Rumpler
This misalignment of the axles disappeared after the air suspension of the axles, which keeps the axles firmly on the road, in itself as purely road vehicles they lose advantages, but on uneven terrain they have no competition
I'm very glad to hear name of Czech trucks Tatra from American people. Small note, this name is read with short letter "A" behind letter "T" on first place.
I am sending greetings from the capital of our small Czech Republic, Prague 😀😉
I have quite a few hours in this exact type of Tatra and they are beasts! They go anywhere! And in comfort. They have PACCAR engines with just about 500hp.
Google Tatra Truck Trials. See what they can really do. Awesome
That tatra is so well sorted 👌
This is a tatra commercial. You can see how the track is not the same in the "same" video timeline.
Tatra uses a DAF cabs and enigines. DAF is a subsidiary of PACCAR which means that the engine in this will likely be the same as a kenworth or peterbilt.
Tatra is something like tantra - both on and off the road.
Well, I would always go for a MAN because they are reliable, we have them here in Austria on construction sides permanently on labour, and they never break down. I work in the supply chain industry, and the quality requirement for Skoda parts are way lower then for VW or even Audi.
But what does Škoda parts having lower quality requirements have to do with Tatra?
@@darthmandalorian9 Both are Czech.
@@Iam-mad But only one of them is owned by VW
@@darthmandalorian9 lucky Tatra ;)
@@Iam-mad Yeah
Tatra has numerous variants all around the modular back bone tube, independent swing axles, diff lockers per axle and in line, air suspension, Tatra main weakness still is no disc brakes.. OSKOSH would be a better comparison due to end-user cost, at least 30% more than the equivalent MAN, MERC, RENAULT etc
The cabin is the hydraulic system not coming apart
The cab is not moving or shaking. These trucks r designed to have suspension directly linked to the cab. So the cabs r little bouncy.
2:55 the guy in the MAN is probably exaggerating a bit. Since this is obviously a Tatra advertisement, it is presented entirely in Tatra's favor. I noticed that the troughs aren't even half full... I drive a similar MAN regularly through rough terrain, and it's not half that bad like it's shown. Also, with more load, the ride becomes waaay smoother, as the ratio suspended/not suspended mass is far better. Very biased, not objective. Most of the on-road semis here in Germany have air suspension, whereas most off-roaders have leaf springs, as they are more robust, more forgiving and are easier to maintain under tough conditions. Also, I wonder, how much more the MAN would cost (and weigh) with the Tatra's suspension system (I believe this MAN is also available with air suspension).
did you know that the 4x2 or 4x4 configuration rides even worse since it didn't has the 2 more axles to carry the weight over for longer distance to keep it level or in line,
the comany I work for has right now 7 MAN 4 axle Dumptrucks ,1 TGA, 2 TGS E5, 3 TGS E6 and the new one.
the worst of all of them is the E5 Half pipe dump, semi Airbaged one with Coil spring cab ride, that thing rocks like the one seen here, on normal roads
the TGA wich is the oldest with 41 ton full leaf is more comfy to drive than the younger mentioned,
but yeah you can shoot over dirt roads like they were paved in a 4 axle you hardly feel the surface because of the compensation of the 4 axles.
BTW. the new MAN even with leaf spring front and back as a 4 axle rides smoother than the regular 4x2/4 road version.
Hi,,I am very impressed, that Americans can even search for this.I was born in Czech Republic and Tatra is definitely one of the best, definitely for their unique suspension ,the one of his kind...You should even check the Tatra 603,613 it was always president vehicle in Czech Republic....Do you even know, that Ferdinand Porsche made his first models in Czech Republic ,where he begin his journey. (The first shape of Porsche 911 was made 10 years before even Porsche begins...by škoda design)...
First time seeing or hearing of Tatra
Tatra is second oldest car manufacturer in the world from the Czech Republic, Central Europe - same as Skoda that is fifth oldest car manufacturer in the world, also worth to check.
that guy on the right had better radio on, you can tell by the rhytm of his moves :D
This is a Tatra-commercial. They have taken the lowest spec MAN vs the highest spec Tatra. It's like compairing a Lada and a Landcruiser. And seeing this video, I would STILL have the MAN.
Isn´t there any heavy of road haulers in the US like those trucks?
Tatra is more of a specialty product more than being to shelf. As far as i know, they don´t do long hauler. I can see someone having a Mercedes only hauling company buying the Mercedes anyway. Volvo is also making a of road hauler, as well as dump tucks. I think IVECO does them as well
For long haulers its really a very tight market. Different trucks is best for different work. If you want long hual comfort, Mercedes is probably he one. I guess that is why they put the tatra to a Mercedes, because they have that reputation. If you want to haul 150ton and do it at a high speed, Volvo or Scania. If you want to pull 250 tons, and doing at at mostly low speed, then typically MAN is more popular.
if you wanna haul 100 ton into the absolute nowhere offroad insanity - you'd go with a Tatra T815-7 :)
@@BruceCarbonLakeriver i never seen anyone haul 100 tons off road
@@matsv201 A few years ago in my county they did. turbine parts for a dam power plant. They drove an offroad hill climb. They climbed 1800m from their start ^^
At the start of the vid id said both were made in 2018 both had 8tons of load and both had 26tons then suspension test and stuff
Just accidentally found out about these beasts and I'm intrigued. I can't seem to get enough and keep asking myself why has no one ever told me.
Well the man has leaf spring suspension and the tatra has Air so the tatra should be best for comfort
Tatra s páteřovým rámem je vynikající vozidlo to terénu. Proto jej chtějí na Západě už 33 let zničit.
Hardly see any scenario where the abilities of that TATRA would be needed in central Europe..
In this video, you can see where to check on some nice Tatras in U.S. - czcams.com/video/1mSaQtfCuw4/video.html&ab_channel=Badger
Hi truckers.
4 axles are fun to drive with good ground contact.
Scania is sharing parts in the future with MAN.
Do not know if it is good or bad.
More plastic in new Scanias, interior like VW.
MAN are comfortable to the soft side, while most Scania Drivers prefer no air suspension on front axle(s), due to not getting seasick driving fast on bumpy roads,
with that tilting cab side to side.
Just like a rocking cradle for toddlers.
Makes you sleepy.
Stay between the ditches, truckers.
Is it me ot does It look like the Tatra is going slower in the bumpy Road comparison?
the less flex / strain on the tetra truck on the frame must be a good thing for parts and long term wear and tear. do like the tatra truck with the daf cab. they have some insane trucks like the 12×12 TATRA FORCE [T 815-7] with 8 steer tires. The FORCE vehicle range is available in 6x6, 8x8 and 10x10 versions up to the completely unique 12x12 version.
Think there's also 4x4
all that you saw is actually part of the Tatra Truck area + polygon, every load is tested there on the oval, the chassis is there every year there is an open day, there are Tatra from Dakar, firemen and specia
Even mad max fury road War Rig is on tatra T815 chassis
Tatra Is Furst moto truck ever made.
Mea Culpa Is TATRA Indian?
The vehicle was developed by Tatra Trucks, a vehicle manufacturer based in the Czech Republic. Tatra vehicles are supplied in India by BEML, an Indian company based in Bangalore, Karnataka.
Tata is Indian
You would think they would past leaf springs by now? All that extra movement will cause more fatigue and wear, not just on the driver.
probably because it is a Tatra advertisement and they wanted to look better.
Hi, in Czechoslovakia and later in the Czech Republic and Slovakia there is an even more legendary truck than Tatra, the Praga V3S. Produced from 1953 to 1990. It was said where the Tatra ends, the Praga V3S begins 🙂........en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praga_V3S
i can be wrong but dont old corvets use leafspring in the back and it works good
it interesting tatra is using the DAF body
Based on the captions (e.g. it compares "Tatra undercarriage" to "common undercarriage") and hidden logo of the compared truck it looks like the video origin is actually some Tatra advertisement. It may be staged a bit. That being said... Remember the War Rig from Mad Max Fury Road? Built on Tatra 815.
Not staged, more like comparing things that are favorable for Tatra :) Tatra does pretty well in real life, look at dakar, where it's driven by private teams with limited funds, but still capable to keep up with factory drivers
@@Papinak2 No argument there. :)
Tatra are now assembling with DAF. The independent suspension has always been ingenious on the Tatra. With steel springs, Tatra always had the problem of quickly hitting the ground in the middle when overloaded. The problem will probably not have the air suspension. Unfortunately, I haven't drive a Tatra myself. Of course, like any other air suspension, you can manually move the air suspension up and down, which further increases the off-road mobility. Really great. It's also the only truck who that has it.
Sadly the Tatra air suspension IS NOT like other trucks air suspensions. The ride height has major limitations.
Due to the swing axles there is only one ride height with a neutral camber angle.
If you pump the air ride higher or lower you get a positiv or negativ camber angle. Modern truck tires don't like high camber angles. That is why the classic Tatras had these rounded tires (like on a wheel barrow).
Normal trucks with beam axles have fixed camber angle, Independent of the ride height.
I thought that cab looked like a DAF based one.
@@haukesattler446 But the ride height valves are set to maintain exactly that optimum position, so no issue with air suspension anymore, like they had with steel (both leaf and torsion bars).
@@annaplojharova1400 In some cases it makes sense to change the ride height. (higher off the road, lower on highway)
This is not possible with Tatra suspension.
@@haukesattler446 Now I see what you mean, yes indeed. But Tatras are not that much intended for highway use (you can drive there of course, but it is not optimized for that), their domain is mainly offroad, so the positionning is tailored to that.
😅When you read already the history of Tatra one can laugh a lot, one of the oldest car manufacturers blablablurb. We have a saying in Germany which goes "to have got it made"🤣just like the universities and old buildings, 🙃. When you have British freemasons on your side everything is possible.
They took newsest tarta with all air susapention options, and put it against 6year old model from man with base coil suspension option😂😂😂 and man isn’t even that much worse