The Complete History of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005)
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- There are so many conflicting accounts on what happened during Charlie's inception, so what's the true story?
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Adam Sandler and Dwayne Johnson being considered for the part of Wonka still really surprise me. Picturing them in that role is hilarious.
We almost got a rip Willy Wonka.
Tbf, while I wouldn’t want Sandler as Wonka, I can definitely imagine him as a cynical child owning a candy factory
Sandler is a talented actor, so I dunno, maybe he could’ve done Wonka some justice? Who knows, but at least Depp got on board.
Dwayne would have made it a total shtshow. Sandler would have made it about him, and adult imitating a childish goofball. Both were good options to skip imho. Depp's weird-weirdness was just the right touch.
Both are bad choices, but at least Sandler might be bearable. Derok as Wonka is crazy 😂😂😂😂
Another reason why they added the Father subplot was because Roald Dahl put in his will that they should never be in an adaptation of The Great Glass Elevator.
As someone who grew up with this film more than the Gene Wilder film, I feel glad to see some love and appreciation be placed on this adaptation. I was gutted when I heard that this was hated, simply because it's well crafted, well acted and clearly made with nothing but effort to make it as faithful to the book as possible.
And this was one of the first films (along with the Lord of the Rings trilogy) that made me aware of the process of filmmaking, so it will always have a special place in my heart.
While I do enjoy the Gene Wilder film, this will always be my definitive adaptation of the book.
And your previous video going over why this is the better movie is one of my favourites on CZcams.
I felt exactly the same way, I watched the 70s one a few times and was so bored by it.
@@waffleson45 Some of us just lack creativity, and that's ok.
It isn't hated for any of the reasons you've listed. In academia there's such a thing as a sunk cost effect, any postgrad student trying to put out a paper by next month has found themselves doubting their own thesis and caaarefuly shelfing all the sources that disagree. Look up the Stanford Prison "Experiment" for a prime example.
I've no doubt a lot of people, especially in that Gen Z - Millennial gap who grew up with this massively succesful family film think of it fondly. It's fine, we like what we like. But the original has been widely beloved in the same way for over half a century for its heart, salty yet safe humor, cooky set design and costumes, the charming ear-worm songs and Gene Wilder's iconic performance. If your thesis on the superiority of one movie starts by blatantly slandering a cozy 70s fantasy flick as "cheap cash-grab" the superior film doesn't have a lot going for it.
To conclude, I'll remind you of another cheap 70s b-movie novel adaptation that wasnt a hit on release but became known as one of the greatest classics, and was likewise infamously despised by the book's author. In 1997 Stephen King oversaw a miniseries adaptation accurate to the letter to his work... which turned out to be utter rubbish. Sometimes books just aint that good.
@@waffleson45 I recommend Fantastic Mr. Fox for a universally well received adaptation of of a Ronald Dahl story.
If this doesn’t prove that this one isn’t a remake, I don’t know what will.
Exactly
Calling The 2005 film a remake is like calling David Pro's Stardust Crusaders a remake of the Jojo Ova.
Who cares?
@@phoenixdouchebag904that is really good analogy
I always hated when people called it a remake of the original when like most cases it’s just a retelling of the book
The fact both Chocolate Factory AND Corpse Bride both released in 2005, both directed by Tim Burton, has 3 of the cast from both movies (Johnny, Helena & Sir Christopher Lee) and are both seen as classics by many is just astonishing.
And those two weren’t the only 2005 films Christopher Lee was in, Revenge of the Sith released the exact same year.
Fun fact. The got same writer
dont forget Deep Roy, who played Napoleon and the Oompa Loompas
Charlie ending with Wonka realizing family and social skills are better than all the money and power in the world alone is such a huge improvement from the Gene Wilder version that I'll always stand by Charlie.
The original violet scene they had planned was actually terrifying. They made an animatronic of her head and it's one of the most unsettling things I've ever witnessed.
Where i can see that thing? Lol
Idk but I’ve seen a clip of it@@JohanMemoris
I actually own a Charlie and the Chocolate Factory VHS. I found it at my local Goodwill a few years ago. I didn’t know it was a rare and expensive collector’s VHS now a days. I feel so lucky to own one.
I had one and sold it! Smh
Rare and expensive? Lol. More like outdated and useless
Don't listen to them. Uhhhh I forgot how the scene went
Run home and... Don't stop? Something like that but more awesome
Damn I gotta watch the movie again it's been a while
I remember when I was in the 4th grade, we watched both versions and the book. I distinctly remember liking the book, being bored with the 1971 version, and falling in love with the 2005 version. I loved it so much that when I was a kid, I used to play it on Netflix at least once every other month.
I’m glad you’ve covered this film twice. This has always been one of my all time favorite films ever since my childhood. If I’m remembering right, I think I saw this film in theaters and it honestly was amazing to see onscreen. Unfortunately, like you said, it’s had bad faith criticism and reviews from folks who don’t know what they’re talking about from Doug Walker/Nostalgia Critic to Cinematic Venom and especially CinemaSins. Also, can we agree that the “remake” argument really needs to die? It doesn’t hold up logically and is quite honestly stupid.
People just truly don’t know any better, placing all their faith in popular figures and their perspectives. It’s depressing. Charlie is a remarkable film, and had absolutely no connection to the original, as in yeah, it’s not a remake.
@@Channeleven2345789 I tend to not take the perception of others seriously unless they can back up what they’re claiming
I don’t get it. I enjoy both movies. It’s definitely not a remake no matter how many times people say it is
@@jordannaser9549 I blame it on the fact that Willy Wonka transcended into popular culture and it wound up blurring a lot of lines
@@jordannaser9549 I think the remake argument is a stupid mindset people convinced themselves about the Burton movie that, if one thinks about it, makes no sense
The darkness inherent in Charlie is what makes it sooo good. Tim Burton just brought it closer to the surface. I'm not sure if the original author actually realized what he created, if that is possible.
No all of Roald Dahl’s books have a streak of darkness underlying them: but it’s point is the innocence and wit of children can often break through the cynicism of the world
Here in Sweden, this one is the one a majority of people know about. It has a fantastic dub, Julia Winter even DUBS HERSELF because she's part swedish. There are VERY FEW people who really grew up with the 71 film, mostly because it was never really marketed here and the dub... well, it was made like 20 years later and they didn't really care. The only other version we really know about besides the 05 film is the miniseries we did in the 80s over here, that was just a man reading out loud from the book with drawn pictures being shown. It's almost lost media now x) Not impossible to find, but also not that easy.
Hmm, how interesting!!
I was an extra in this movie and Tim Burton oversaw every scene - moving props, changing costumes. You could tell the passion he had for making it. It was filmed at Pinewood Studios in the summer of 2004, despite all the snow. All the interior sets were locked off, so you couldn’t have a sneak peek (and we were not allowed to keep any of the props, like pencils and notebooks) so all this background info. is very interesting and revealing, thanks for the insight!
I wrote a stage production of Charlie a long time ago. It was a local thing and they couldn't get the rights to a pre-existing script so they hired me to write an original adaptation
Finally the perfect the video to watch while I’m playing Charlie and the Chocolate factory for ps2
I have that game too
Oh I saw that for the wii when I was younger. I think I was mostly interested in racing games and sill am.
Such a specific game choice, but also what a great coincidence.
@@tomlinson1710 was is good?
@@catvoncrimson666no it’s not very good the controls sucks and the game feels clunky but the GBA version which I also have is pretty decent
Your Charlie VS Willy Wonka video was the video that got me into this channel. I had written off the Charlie version like many people did but that video gave me a new appreciation for the movie, causing me to properly watch it (and I ended up really enjoying it). I am definitely looking forward to seeing this video.
As much as I grew up with the Wonka version, I much prefer the Charlie version.
The Charlie and the Chocolate Factory version, as you said, is one of the most loyal film adaptations to the book. All that work really paid off with the entire cast and crew.
A wonderful and well done video essay behind the making of "Charlie and The Chocolate Factory". And as someone who loves both the 2005 and 1971 version equally, I am glad that the former film is getting a positive reevaluation, and I am here for it after getting sick of people trashing HARD on it and calling it a remake of the latter film, which IS NOT!
Yes! I’m so excited that you posted another story, about the reason why Tim Burton’s adaptation is the TRUE and faithful version of the story! I can’t tell you how much I appreciate you for doing this. I grew up watching Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and when I finally read the book by Roald Dahl-Burton’s adaptation was the most faithful adaptation with little departures. Despite the drastic departure at the end.
As much as I like the 1971 adaptation starring Gene Wilder, the 2005 adaptation starring Johnny Depp was still great. It was a more faithful adaptation of the original book. Tim Burton did a lot right with his version. He kept Charlie’s father in the movie. Danny Elfman’s score for the movie was great as well. The Oompa Loompa songs also incorporated Roald Dahl’s writing in the songs. Although Wonka’s backstory was an odd inclusion in my opinion, I understand why the filmmakers added it.
To your point…The Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings movies are kinda a remake of the old animated ones seeing as how a good chunk of the storyboards and frames of Jackson’s are EXACTLY like the animated ones 😅
How could you avoid Nicholas Cage being considered
The Michael Jackson part was interesting since a part of me does get a good laugh out of imagining what the King of Pop would’ve been like as Willy Wonka.
Nah he would have said no to the role. Willy Wonka isn’t very good with kids and Michael was all about loving and caring for kids, so I don’t think he would have wanted to do Wonka.
At the same time, Michael would have made an awesome Edward Scissorhands.
I want to see a Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator adaptation
and i want to find the book to read.
@@rafaelbrites3607 They might stop printing it because of the Chinese stereotypes in it
@@BennSimonn but they probaly going to avaliable the book in the internet for free. Even the cancelation culture won´t stop that.
@@BennSimonnwould you see Tim Burton do stupid Chinese stereotypes?
I just revisted this movie a few days ago based on your glowing reviews of it and holy cow I was shocked by how much better it was than I remembered! It was such a fun watch. I'm glad to see you've put out another video on it!
Ngl, a version of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory directed by Terry Gilliam would slap so hard
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Saying that Charlie is a remake of Wonka would be like if people thought It 2017 was remake of It 1990- Oh wait, a lot of people do think that it is... Darn you adaptation displacement!
Honestly it took me song long to watch this movie in full. The reason being Violet, the blueberry transformation terrified me as a kid so I always changed the channel when that came on and never switched back.
Now as an adult I love this movie and its darkness. Though said transformation still creeps me out but I can watch it.
This movie was a childhood favorite of mine (along with the book).
My next question about the Roald Dahl wonka-verse is this... when are we going to see any Vermicious Knids?
My real question is who's going to finish Roahl Dahl's third book? And how would that turn out to be like if it was finished today?
@@SuperFlashDriver Lucy Dahl? Roald's daughter?
@@jaysonklein6018 Maybe....
I grew up with both versions so I like both of them equally.
I watched the remake first. But then I watched Willy Wonka a few years later and I had fun watching it. I think both films are equally great. I like your video with the comparison.
Fun fact: Johnny Depp was originally gonna have long hair to look more book-accurate. That was scrapped because they thought it looked too similar to Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Carribean.
When I was a kid, I always found the movie unsettling. This makes sense, because it is. But it is on purpose
I wish there was a Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator movie, even though I think there won't be one after how we saw the 2005 version ended: with Charlie living in his house which was moved to the factory.
Then how would one direct it?
I’m also a perfectionist in life. And I’d say the only book-accurate version, would be the Tim Burton adaptation, cause it follows it much more closely than that horrible Mel Stuart director. I also happen to be a bit eccentric, cause of being diagnosed with autism. It also makes me be a very vivid and wide amount of childish personality and creative imagination. I always wondered how-but never why. For those who are wonderfully-minded people “watch with glittering eyes, the whole world around you because the greatest secrets are in those most unlikely places. Those who don’t believe in magic will never find it”-Quote by Roald Dahl! I always LOVED Johnny Depp, because I felt that I also acted similarly in my own eccentric personality.
I was never a big fan of the 1971 version so when this one came out I thought it was rather strange, but I also appreciated its authenticity and connections to the book.
This is the movie I grew up with and I'm glad I came across this.
I literally just finished watching the Why 2005 is Superior to 1971 and I deserved a continuation of it.
God I love this movie so much. I always wonder why everyone liked the "Original" movie when its just an hour long commercial
I’d say it’s down to nostalgia from constant airings on television.
HOW DOES THIS NOT HAVE MORE VIEWS?!?!?!?!? Had so much fun watching this! Charlie is 100% superior team!
I remember this film getting me through a rough flu season. Always had that opening on replay. Remember the chocolate bars that were sold in conjunction, that the DVD included a smell-a-rama of one of the candy bars, potentially with a golden ticket. Sadly I didn't get it.
Interesting to see a new Charlie video after the first suddenly blew up. Funny enough, that was the video that introduced me to your channel about a year ago. I love how in depth you go with these videos without them becoming bloated with filler or pointless tangents and you manage to make your points well and with these history of media videos you manage to make the topic engaging.
I have kind of a funny history with this movie myself. I never really saw the Stewart adaptation outside of a few bits on TV so while I was familiar with the general idea of the story, it was the Charlie one I fully watched first (amusingly enough it was on one of those rare VHS tapes because I first watched it through a rental place which mostly had VHS) and I remember being somewhat underwhelmed.
When it came on DVD, my dad got it and when I would see him, I watched the movie over and over (also watching all the bonus features) and by mid 2006 it may have been my favorite movie, but eventually I lost interest and sort of forgot about it.
I would later see the Stewart version through and record it and over time that became my preferred version. I would later find your video on the two movies and give Charlie another chance. Sadly, I couldn't get into it, but I did appreciate it for being the passion project it was.
I love this version a lot, but part of me deeply wishes we could have seen the Terry Gilliam version.
Monty Python and the Chocolate Factory
thank you so much for bringing more attention to this masterpiece
If this came out one day earlier it would have been my birthday, which would have been great since I love this love ever since I was a kid
I agree. I prefer the 2005 film better than the 1971 film. The first film didn't had much attention as the 2005 film.
Plus, the former was made during the dark age of media.
i remember being so obbsesed with them willy wonka brands they would sell sometimes that i thought that willy wonka was based on a REAL guy and the candy being made with the wonka brand on them will be just as like his other crazy sweets, for context, i was just a small wee bairn.
I’m probably in a minority of people that think both films are great. Even though I prefer the wonka version, there’s so much that the Charlie version does better such as the effects, style, music, and characters like the other children and Charlie’s grandparents. The Charlie version is a much better adaptation of the book, but I do like that the wonka version wasn’t just a paint-by-numbers screenplay of the book. I think a lot of the changes the film made worked in the context of that film. I like that all 3 versions of this story tell this story in vastly different ways and I think that’s rare to see from more recent remakes/adaptations
Congratulations on making it to 40,000 subscribers! I sincerely hope that you and I do not hate the newer Wonka film premiering this year. Surely, Timothee Chalamet can wait on Dune 2 for another half a year.
the production history for this movie is the funniest thing ive ever read through on wikipedia. absolutely nuts what happened to it.
Amazing video! It's as great as your last video covering the film.
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was just a commercial to sell more Wonka bars, and other Wonka confectionaries. As the Wonka brand was failing. The movie didn't help revitalize the brand, as nestle sold the Wonka to ferrero in 2018. They might, probably, or most definitely will bring back the Wonka bars for the new movie.
The coolest part is back when I was in high school in 2015 me and my class watched the Tim Burton adaptation as part of a study when reading the original book as well doing a topic involving chocolate and how it's made
you forgot that they were also working on Corpse Bride which released the same year that also starred Johnny, Helena and Christopher Lee
I had it in the original draft, but it didn’t really fit in the story, so I had to cut it out.
@@mediamementosofficial oh and after I watched the wonka movie trailer, my hatred towards the 1971 movie just grew thanks to the strike and reverse quote
I first started with the Charlie Version, I didn’t know about the Wonka until a few years later I respect the Wonka One but to me I love the Charlie Version, maybe is Nostalgia or maybe it’s Passion I don’t know and I Respect Both Movies in their own unique way.
I like how Jim Carrey has been considered for both Willy Wonka and Doctor Who
As I’m typing this, I’m 31, and while I loved Willy Wonka as a kid, I had also read the original Charlie book as that same kid. In fact, I actually read it about two years before the Tim Burton movie came out, so it was still fresh in my mind by the time I saw it. And when I did, I knew that it was much closer to the book than Willy Wonka was. I think it’s also fair to say that I liked both movies, but after seeing your Charlie videos and really taking in the history and the differences between the films, I’d personally pick the film Dahl would’ve liked most to watch first.
Also my favorite song in the Tim Burton one is varuca’s
I’m a massive fan of the original movie and i really like the Tim Burton version and I’m genuinely excited about this new prequel
I went into this movie as a joke, from what I had heard about it, that’s what it was. When I came out of it, I was pleasantly surprised, it far exceeded my expectations! Definitely better than the old one.
I personally prefer the Willy version because I like the warmer energy Gene Wilder brings. I don't do well with darker stuff so parts of the original book and the Charlie movie were a bit uncomfortable for me. In fact I kinda gave up on reading Roald Dahl's books after I tried reading The Witches and yeah XD
But I do acknowledge that the Charlie version had better production and was more faithful to the book, and I appreciate that you like it ^^
Well this was interesting and fun to watch. ^^nice job👍
Yes! Thank you for this!
Hey if you ever make another Charlie and the Chocolate Factory video, I have a ton of behind the scenes pictures, news articles, etc that I've digitally archived
I grew up with both Wonka and Charlie, but I actually saw this one first. When it came out, I liked it, but my opinion on it changed over time. Up until very recently, I didn’t like it because I felt it was dark, uncanny, and moody. However, I have gained a lot more respect for it in the last year or so.
I grew up watching this movie so bring it Trevor!
0:18 Where does the third Hand come from and why am I afraid to find it out?
You made some errors: for one, Scott Frank *DID* produce a full script that you can read on the Internet Archive, and it is... odd, to say the least. And the Oompa songs from the original film are not repetitive, as the orchestrations are changed for each one; Violet's song is somber like a requiem, Veruca's has a cuckoo-clock theme, and Mike's is meant to sound "epic", as it is the final song of the entire movie.
Love the video!
Btw what are your thoughts on Wonka 2023? I’ve been DYING to know! 😂
You missed one release the 2 disc dvd with all the special features
The Tim Burton movie is more faithful to the novel
i love how charlie and the chocolate factory movie is based on the book if only rahl dahl is still alive than he will congraduate tom burton on his adoption of his book.
like how his wife likes it.
I personally like both the 1971 film and the Tim Burton version equally even though I know both have a few flaws.
1:08 Kingdom Hearts Twilight Town background music❤
8:20 charlie reminds me quite a bit of sora. otherwise unremarkable, he happened to be in the right place at the right time, and his true power is his kindness to others. kinda fitting you use KH music multiple times throughout the video!
Here before this blows up!
Sorry to bother, but do you mind telling me the name of the song used starting at around 15:40? It feels very familiar and I can't figure out where I recognize it from.
Honestly I'm kind of okay with calling LOTR a remake of Ralph Bakshi's movie. I think any time you're adapting something that has already been adapted before (not to mention adapted notably) you're always going to at least subconsciously think about that prior adaptation. In that very example there are references and homages to the Bakshi film in Peter Jackson's trilogy. Even this movie borrows small things that existed in the 1971 movie but not the book, such as the nationalities of the other kids. There's always going to be an inherent comparison between different adaptations. It's like how we can compare the Dark Knight Trilogy to the Michael Keaton films. That all being said it's of course valid to enjoy both, only one, or neither
As someone who loves Willy wonka, hearing you praise Charlie and about how it’s superior to Willy wonka got me thinking, this must be how Kubrick fans feel whenever I tell them that I prefer the 1997 mini series adaptation of the shining over the Kubrick version.
Great vid
I would get so much hate if I ever said that Gene Wilder's Wonka freaked me out. Like, ew, stop touching, stop being overfriendly. 😂 I don't hate it, don't get me wrong, but even now, his version of Willy Wonka still creeps me out, and he never comes across as the isolated genius to me. Johnny Depp's Willy Wonka is weird, awkward, charming and exceptionally amazing only when he is talking about candies. He is exactly the Wonka that I expected to see.
I think I'm going to start using your Lord of the Rings counterargument from now on whenever someone says Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is a remake 😂
When you said the rock almost was Wonka, and all I can picture now is Stone Cold as one of the guys sending in spies.
"I need you, to go into that sumbitch's factory and do a little digging, what, little snooping, what, some insider sleuthing, what, and a bit of corporate espionage to steal some of them candy recipes, and that's the bottom line, cause Slugworth said so"
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If i remember right at the same time Tim was working on corpse bride
22:08 I actually have a copy of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory on VHS :)
I got one in an Easter basket. I sold it later; never realized it was rare
I own the Blu-ray release. It sucks. There is no menu, it plays instantly. To open the menu, you have to press the menu button. And the arrow buttons just don’t work. So, I can’t use the bonus features.
As much as I love Tim Burton and Johnny Depp, this movie didn't do it for me. I didn't think Johnny Depp was right for Wonka, like he didn't want to be their. I just felt annoyed by his portrayal. I would have gone with Jim Carry, Christopher Lloyd, Robin Williams, or Eric Idle. Hell, Eric Idle did an audio reading of the book.
I loved this movie i love everything about it
The opening music goes so hard
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was one of very few films my brothers and I got to see in the theatre; mostly our family would wait for home video releases of films. I didn't think it was all that bad as a kid, granted I had only seen Willy Wonka once before when I was pretty young. In elementary school, I read through the original book, and was able to pinpoint moments straight from the film. In high school, I started to gravitate more towards Willy Wonka, and I'm probably closer to that camp nowadays, but I still appreciate the effort put into Charlie. As for whether Roald Dahl would have truly enjoyed Charlie, the guy was a total grouch; he hated pretty much every adaptation of his work made during his lifetime. Chances are he would have nitpicked Charlie to death.
Here in Brazil the 71 movie is not as well loved as the 2005 one. I remember at some point Cartoon Network would air the newer one and Nickelodeon (or maybe it was Disney Channel) aired the old one roughly at the same. Could you imagine the whiplash I had?
Hey, another One Hour Photo lover! I feel like I’m the only one who remembers that film.
4:32 Did you just hit us all with Freshy Kanal? Love that
Anyways goated video
Why didn't Liccy Dahl let Tom Shadyac direct charlie and the chocolate factory, and let Jim Carrey as Willy Wonka? And why didn't Terry Gilliam got to direct the film as well?!?
Id love to hear any perspective you have about Coraline :)
I watched the 05 version as a young kid with 6-7 on TV and 'till 2019 or 2020 I didn't even know that the 1971 version exsisted
NGL, It would have been interesting to see a version directed by Terry Gilliam. Though Tim Burton was definitely the right choice.
As an adaptation Charlie is better, as a movie, Willy Wonka wins.
I like that Bob the Tomato on your shirt. Are you a VeggieTales fan?
What's the name of the background song that starts around 7:05?
Toad’s Factory - Mario Kart Wii
@@timey_103 thanks man. No wonder it sounded kinda familiar.