EVERY RANGED DPS RANKED from EASY to HARD in MYTHIC+

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    2:40 - #1 Beginner Friendly Ranged DPS
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Komentáře • 168

  • @ryanyoung27
    @ryanyoung27 Před 8 měsíci +45

    I don’t think I’ve had as much fun as I am now with my balance Druid. Running around like a fuzzy chicken just absolutely annihilating mobs is fantastic

  • @bted
    @bted Před 8 měsíci +43

    For 10.2, I'd love to see guides for specific dungeons like the one you had for Uldaman.

  • @toemasmeems
    @toemasmeems Před 8 měsíci

    This video was nice! It’s satisfying to hear what’s hard and easy cause I have some friends who like to bag on specs that they think are so easy when they’re just so wrong

  • @xirvin92
    @xirvin92 Před 8 měsíci +51

    Healer version next please

    • @Kosmoloog
      @Kosmoloog Před 8 měsíci

      would like to see that also!

    • @matthewking111
      @matthewking111 Před 8 měsíci

      yes please!

    • @balasavenedintulashabalbeoriwe
      @balasavenedintulashabalbeoriwe Před 8 měsíci

      I LOVE M+ Holy Priest even though it is not the best. It is pretty easy with lightweaver but the best build is a little harder. I would still put this in easy. I am 3200 only there are hpriests way better than I am who might say it is medium.

  • @johnMa7869
    @johnMa7869 Před 8 měsíci +4

    i think a video that highlights the strengths and weaknesses of each heal would be good

  • @semi6544
    @semi6544 Před 8 měsíci +7

    I wish Blizzard would just fix armor. There are 4 types of armor between Cloth, Leather, Mail, and Plate. Mail is the 2nd strongest armor. Why are all the mail wearers among the 4 squishiest specs along with Priest? I know armor type is just a part of the fantasy at this point but it seems Blizzard chooses when and when not to use fantasy as a requirement in game decisions. These mail classes need more contribution from armor.
    Cloth:
    Mage --Good survivability
    Warlock -- Tanky
    Priest -- Squishy
    Leather:
    Druid -- Good Survivability
    Rogue -- Good Survivability
    Demon Hunters -- Squishy but good mitigation for survivability
    Monks -- Squishy but good mitigation for survivability
    Mail:
    Hunters -- Squishy
    Evokers -- Squishy
    Shaman -- Squishy
    Plate:
    Death Knights -- Good Survivability
    Paladins -- Tanky
    Warriors -- Good Survivability

  • @AyoItsAntony
    @AyoItsAntony Před 7 měsíci +1

    That editing is amazing, you deserve a lot more subs. Excellent work!

  • @ricardogunnz2
    @ricardogunnz2 Před 5 měsíci +3

    I'm a newby, only started playing retail in BfA, and man, the elemental shaman is complicated but also so rewarding with those crits

  • @RyanCeleslie
    @RyanCeleslie Před 8 měsíci

    What is the weakaura pack for the affliction dot management? As well the overall addon, it looks like ElvUI but not sure what profile pack.

  • @gor_68
    @gor_68 Před 6 měsíci +8

    As a mage main who has been playing mage since MoP, the 10.2 version of arcane the most complicated mage spec that I have ever seen. That being said, it is hilarious to watch pro arcane mages demolish 5 people at once in BGS (im lookin at AlunethMaster)

    • @ate_my_wheaties
      @ate_my_wheaties Před 5 měsíci +3

      As a die hard arcane player, it’s nice to see the spec be both as good as it is right now and as gatekept by skill as it is lmao. Feels rewarding to already be in love with a spec and willing to master it where others struggle and just play frost

    • @tsj8726
      @tsj8726 Před 5 měsíci

      I think 10.0 arcane was harder, mage overall was harder with rune of power

    • @MediocreGamer1
      @MediocreGamer1 Před 12 dny

      ​@@tsj8726 10.0 arcane mage genuinely made me feel bad at the game for the first time since BC of playing mage.. shit was tough

  • @Seph.ackerman
    @Seph.ackerman Před 8 měsíci +4

    I am struggeling a lot to decide between Wl and Mage. I want to play a class that has really awesome animations and aesthetics (wl clearly wins in terms of tier set imo), but also is useful and gets invited into keys. I do pug a lot so unfort. I am often depening on the communitiy's 'perception' of good or "bad" classes. And I feel warlock and mage sort of both do a lot of cool useful stuff, mage has bl and that mass barrier, which is likely better than healtstone in terms of absorb>heal for certain aoe burst damage like fh enforcer shouts or bursting stacks. Wl brings portal but I don't know how useful that's gonna turn out in the S3 dungeon pool, even this season I felt like it barely gotten any use outside of freehold in a way that would be comparable to priest abilities that were madatory at higher levels and considering that rogue has good chances to see a lot of play, bringing shroud to skip stuff, I don't know how important warlocks gate can be then, if at all. Then I also feel like frost mage and destro wl sort of are a similar in their playstyle and output, I think both have great visuals and a decently simple, yet not too boring rotation. Comparing the other speccs against each other I find warlock to be a bit more intersting personally, but how, if at all, that translate into viability in myth+ I am unable to tell. Would appreciate any kind of input or inspiration a lot!

    • @aitor2516
      @aitor2516 Před 8 měsíci

      Demo warlock in mythic+ is unplayable rn, destro and afli are ok but they arent meta at all, so u wont get invited as easily as you think. We'll see on the next patch if anything changes tho

    • @halygoslive8302
      @halygoslive8302 Před 8 měsíci +2

      I’m an Arcane mage main. What I would suggest and find which class/spec fits your play style and work on it. I’ve played mage since vanilla, and I don’t think I could main anything else.
      Good luck!

  • @soulsharts
    @soulsharts Před 7 měsíci +6

    Can confirm Arcane Mage being the most difficult. I recently learned it, and it is pretty wild. Need to watch a few guides to learn that spec.

    • @xlightninghawk6360
      @xlightninghawk6360 Před 6 měsíci +4

      Funny thing is, it used to be the easiest spec in the game

    • @armagedoc66
      @armagedoc66 Před 5 měsíci

      I was shocked when some top tier guy dumped his whole mana then began surge and pop up all cds... so much to learn but so fun to learn.

    • @woobeforethesun
      @woobeforethesun Před 5 měsíci

      @@xlightninghawk6360AB > AB > AB > AM 🎉

    • @elisar1980
      @elisar1980 Před 13 dny +1

      I played arcane mage many years ago, until Cata, then I left the game. I came back two months ago and I leveled my mage to 70, did a few dungeons in normal, then I tried to understand rotations for higher contents, and there I got stuck. I read and watched several guides but I'm confused on many aspects.THe problem is that I can't do things if I don't fully understand what I'm doing. Arcane used to be a bit boring back in the days, but now it feels over complicated, to the point that I've been thinking about ditching my mage as a main.

    • @soulsharts
      @soulsharts Před 13 dny +1

      @@elisar1980 Stick with it, it can be fun once you figure it out. The only problem with dps leveling dungeons is that everything dies so fast you don't really get to use your whole kit efficiently. Arcane is very structured to an ebb and flow(peaks and valleys) type playstyle you can't fully get comfortable with until you're pushing higher content. I love it thematically just because you're sending a ton of sparks flying lol.

  • @hornkev
    @hornkev Před 8 měsíci +1

    In 10.2 they have to redo a few specs as there is a lot of changes coming, and other changes blizzard is making to make what seems mythic+ even more harder. I'm just glade they moved away from pushing for add-ons, as I believe add-ons have made it seem a bit to easy, or easier, for most players.

  • @Impossibly-Possible
    @Impossibly-Possible Před 8 měsíci +4

    Heals would be nice, and boomkin is crazy because you have to root solar beam sleep stun vortex cyclone and use besr form to not die and use your heals from time to time on others and its easy to accidently pull extra mobs. And it has a ton of buttons to hit, same as mage, just too many buttons and macros to be loysnof fun.

    • @boxicool
      @boxicool Před 6 měsíci

      i love to have too much buttons to click :)

    • @pancakelad
      @pancakelad Před 5 měsíci

      yeah wired that aff gets hard while being a dot class just the same but with passive tank instead of active, and less than half the cc they need to be on top of.

  • @Vikingeek
    @Vikingeek Před 8 měsíci +9

    As a few others have said, a guide for each dungeon in 10.2 would be good, but do a beginner and advanced one for each dungeon. Something I've often found during various seasons is that many channels do a M+ dungeon guide, often based off of mid level PTR M+ runs, that go through dealing with mechanics at that level. These usually see players up to the KSM level. However once you get into the 16's and above range, suddenly certain mechanics that didn't need to be dealt with before become deadly due to the damage scaling at those higher level keys - but oftentimes none of the guides tell you how to deal with those situations. Unfortunately, certainly in PUGs, players simply expect you to know the strategies, and aren't always very helpful.
    Anecdotally, in the previous season, we had +3'd a 15 in a guild group, and got an 18 Shadowmoon Burial Grounds - being supposedly the easiest key we decided to try it, even if it was a "weekly no leaver" type run. The run went fine until the Nerzhul, where we just could get the Omen of Death mechanic down. We even stopped the watch some guides, but none of the ones we watched covered how to deal with it at that high a level. Suddenly a friend of the guild who we raided with hopped onto discord to chat, one of us started streaming to discord, and with one explanation from a guy who was regularly running 24's etc, we killed the boss first try - but pretty much nobody seems to do guides at that level.

    • @RaXiR100
      @RaXiR100 Před 6 měsíci +1

      I’ll give you a tip I’m not high pushing player I have around 2.8k rio as tank, but when you die to smth ath higher level just check what it was use mythic dungeon tool and read description of this spell and then check in google if there is post about it how to deal with mechanic and I would suggest watching sometimes high keys run around 20-22

    • @RaXiR100
      @RaXiR100 Před 6 měsíci

      This is the way i learnd how to deal with some mechanic but no worries on higher io there are still players that don’t know mechanics 😅

    • @kungjocke9446
      @kungjocke9446 Před 6 měsíci +1

      I mean... buddy... You're talking about dodging shit on the ground, or not interrupting a spell. This is BASE GAME MECHANICS. I see it way too often even in 25+ keys, people can't do their job. Then who do you flame for dying? You often choose to flame the tank or healer. It's 99% of the times, a DPS issue, no matter how big the pull is. And for fuck's sake, pop a defensive at the start of a major pull.

    • @kind2rethink
      @kind2rethink Před 6 měsíci

      Go to quazzi or any other m+ content creators

  • @pontusfeldt3982
    @pontusfeldt3982 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Before seeing this video i just expect affliction to be up there. LOT of button bloat to upkeep dots in aoe (no you do NOT only spam seed)

  • @tomas97x
    @tomas97x Před 7 měsíci

    Arcane mage is my favorite but its really insane to play right now, i even changed to frost lol i miss when it was simpler, i mean, when arcane missiles was his stronger single target ability, sadly i dont think its gonna change anytime soon

    • @ate_my_wheaties
      @ate_my_wheaties Před 5 měsíci

      I’m loving it right now, but I do kinda miss the SL barrage leggo burst. Absolutely DELETING focused mobs on fortified weeks was so endlessly entertaining. Watching them go from 60% to 0 in an instant in 15s and lower. That was some good stuff

  • @austinsawyer829
    @austinsawyer829 Před 3 měsíci

    This is such a good video its like watching a real tv show like "how its made" from back in the day very nice!

  • @CJP706
    @CJP706 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Great video, would love to see one ranking DPS from squishiest to most durable

  • @alexanderpogue8438
    @alexanderpogue8438 Před 5 měsíci

    As a forsaken aff warlock, I can say my only struggle is the constant refreshing of curses and other dots. If the tank is running off and pulling everything out of range or it dies quickly, i'm standing there having to redo it/chase them just to get my stuff in. But when the mob is big and my things start going? Best DPS i've ever done

    • @georgekorell3808
      @georgekorell3808 Před 3 měsíci

      My condolences for you playing Afflic. It’s just not good enough in high keys… #BuffAfflic

  • @benderWestlund
    @benderWestlund Před 6 měsíci

    Great analysis and presentation

  • @VGDoctor
    @VGDoctor Před 7 měsíci

    As a healer main i have only bm hunter as dps, just for dps pov to help me understand my team

  • @bigrios
    @bigrios Před 6 měsíci

    Nice content, keep the good work!

  • @bjbroussard5451
    @bjbroussard5451 Před 8 měsíci +8

    I want to say well done on the guide. It’s knowledgeable. It’s very helpful and it’s very insightful. Great job. I hope you guys keep up the good work and keep making good content.

  • @ndk2k4
    @ndk2k4 Před 27 dny +1

    EDIT: Realized this video is 7 months old, but my comment still stands for s3. Destruction warlock is only at it's max effectiveness when playing with a consistent group and you know how long each fight is going to take and you know what each group pull is going to look like. The rotation is not crazy difficult, but there is an ocean of knowledge between playing destro, and playing it effectively. Also, Demo is probably harder than AFF at this point, aff is just too much of a pick between single target and aoe.

  • @sviraci
    @sviraci Před 7 měsíci +1

    Great Video!

  • @dmasiodnmiod
    @dmasiodnmiod Před 6 měsíci

    Could you please share the BM Hunter Plater import & weakauras from this video, please :D

  • @powerplay074
    @powerplay074 Před 4 měsíci

    Demonlogy is perfect fun specially dwarf with stoneskin for mythics. Good cds, damage and fun rotation.

  • @Jo-Jo8vs
    @Jo-Jo8vs Před 8 měsíci +2

    One of the classes I play is shadow and using shadow crash can become a nightmare, when you have a tank constantly running/jumping around. Once a tank honestly mentioned that when he saw this bomb coming and instantly moved away, shadow crash for the bin ;-). Thus I experienced a wide variety of doing dmg most time based on tank positioning. With my WL (no matter which specc) I can do much better good dmg also with a bad tank.
    And yes I play also tanks, and constant moving as a tank is a sign of not understanding how many dps classes work. So if you are a tank, next time before blaming the dps think about your positioning with the mobs.

    • @Dilllll26
      @Dilllll26 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Destro will do 100x less dmg than shadow if the tank moves lol. You are probably being impatient and throwing crash too early, manually dot and build insanity while tanks group the pulls

    • @Jo-Jo8vs
      @Jo-Jo8vs Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@Dilllll26 You know nothing, so better be quite.

    • @Dilllll26
      @Dilllll26 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@Jo-Jo8vs if you are missing shadow crash you are garbage and rushing your dmg out, probably cause you are doing low keys where stuff dies quickly :)

  • @breakingsen
    @breakingsen Před 4 měsíci

    The UI's are so amazing would love to get a copy import for them

  • @jacksmith5562
    @jacksmith5562 Před 2 měsíci

    Still love playing BM Hunter but mainly for collecting all the different pets. So many to collect need multiple alts to collect them all 😃

  • @ivocorti8370
    @ivocorti8370 Před 8 měsíci +1

    started playing a mage last week and having the most fun i ever had with a class.
    The rotation is indeed "hard" but i got the hang of it pretty fast especially because in aoe you can always cast on the move of needed with ice floes.
    as mentioned in the video the survivabilty is a big minus as you are playing arcane in aoe like a melee because of arcane explosion and you are basically onetapped by everything that looks in your general direction :D
    i agree with the sentiment that arcane needs an experienced player to understand the mechanics of the spec.

  • @nationofdragons607
    @nationofdragons607 Před 8 měsíci

    Good video, and I agree with it, for the most part. I would like to see you finish the series with healers and tanks.

  • @marcianito8969
    @marcianito8969 Před 7 měsíci

    Can you tell me how can I make my numbers look like that ?

  • @GW2Zaruz
    @GW2Zaruz Před 8 měsíci +3

    IMO Aug should be in beginner friendly as yes, you can do all them things and need to for MDI, but for pugging you can just do the DPS rotation and be fine.
    Also fire mage and shadow really feel like they should be swapped. Fire is so much harder to play right & despite the cheat death, has much of the same problems as shadow in terms of survivability.

    • @Dilllll26
      @Dilllll26 Před 8 měsíci

      Good mages can really never die tbh

    • @dmsephiroth
      @dmsephiroth Před 7 měsíci

      @@Dilllll26 If the healer sleeps..even good mages can die x)

  • @Alastaire400
    @Alastaire400 Před 8 měsíci

    Can you do this For Healers

  • @ThanhTran-gb4pw
    @ThanhTran-gb4pw Před 7 měsíci +7

    Shadow is NOT hard at all once you learn the dungeons (which everyone will after 50+ runs). Very simple rotation, even more so than boomkins, and you just have to learn when to utility which is what you're there for. Affliction used to be hard to play in keys, but they dumbed it down a lot in 10.1.5. Now all you with the new build is put UA and Agony on a few targets and then spam seeds of corruption. No tracking tons of dots on everything anymore. I'd say demo is easier to play than destro, honestly, because you don't typically run anything complicated in keys (such as nether portal). And destro has to deal with rain of fire needing to ramp damage when many pug tanks love to kite out of it. (Like with ele shaman earthquake). Destro does do a lot more damage than demo though on average in m+.

    • @griffinargyle6387
      @griffinargyle6387 Před 6 měsíci

      demo over destro is diabolical

    • @hoodpope1851
      @hoodpope1851 Před 5 měsíci

      Just because destro has to deal with tanks moving mobs out of RoF doesn't make it more difficult to play like what??? Lmao

    • @labpracticum
      @labpracticum Před 5 měsíci

      Destru is easy, there is no setup. In M+ you drop infernal once in a while, rest of the time you immolate and spam RoF. Demo is that much more difficult, because you constantly need to play around maximizing Tyrant buffs if you want to top dmg.
      I absolutetly agree that shadow is easy - its should be labeled as such. Drop shadow crush and continue ST rotation, thats it.

    • @ZakhadWOW
      @ZakhadWOW Před 5 měsíci

      For Shadow, disperse is NOWHERE near as effective for survival and escape as it was a decade ago. Frankly I use it more for a mana regen boost, on those occasions where I had to start spam flash healing to help in critical times (See the Larodar fight in Amirdrassil)

  • @benjpac5
    @benjpac5 Před 8 měsíci

    Great video

  • @davidmasson3928
    @davidmasson3928 Před 7 dny

    Fire mage is so perfect for my adhd, I’m never bored out and don’t forget to play, that’s why I play Enhancement as a melee and paladin as a tank, I need to stay busy for not losing focus

    • @derrick8634
      @derrick8634 Před 8 minutami

      If you want to be busy, you should play Brewmaster. BM is undoubtedly the busiest spec in tanks, and probably top 3 in WoW.

  • @MarkElf2204
    @MarkElf2204 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Aug is the extremely easy spec these days 😂

  • @azaphakaylock2789
    @azaphakaylock2789 Před 4 měsíci

    I think this was a great list, I personally would of swapped affliction out with demonology for new peeps though from a beginner to the spec PoV. I'm talking from a mains perspective who loves both these specs - Climbing as warlock in M+ though just low keys I think the listing is kinda correct, however for progressive M+ I think affliction is easier than demo to play correctly, and here is why.
    Affliction is deceptively mobile for a caster, you can still maintain many abilities by simply tabbing and hitting GCDs on targets during any movement, even if its not optimal dps rotation its still more value than doing zero. because you can always do dps while moving it means many situations that involve lot of moving are not very punishing, also you are still pretty damn thicc. the hardest part of being a noob with affliction is learning what addons you need to install to make the game easier to read (nice plates with good dot visuals are a must) . honestly this spec is super accessible if your UI makes it easy to see dots
    Demo is tanky boi but you will suck at dps if you miss out on important timers during dps rotation , if you find yourself out of position as a demo lock and have to move because of a mistake that can easily be your entire DPS for that fight wasted. You might get though lower keys by tanking though some damage to finish dropping your tyrant in time but in higher keys stutter stepping and pre-emptive positioning are a must or you are going to hit a wall with this spec.
    Another thing to bring up is that demo has a few very unintuitive game designs for new players that are rather nuance but still are massive dps loses if you don't learn to understand them. A great example is [Demonic strength] the talent would at a glance seem like an easy functioning ability yet it has some weird quality for a pet ability. for one its the only pet ability that is on the warlocks GCD not the pets, but also has moments it can't be cast based on what the felguard is doing, has a positional requirement from both the pet and the warlock, has a LoS requirement from both the pet and the warlock. note that no other pet ability works like this in the warlocks kit.
    Just my thoughts, PS this isn't based on the raw dps potential of the specs just how difficult I honestly feel these specs are to climb with vs the time invested in the character. after you have played ether spec for long enough and invested your time into the right things to improve i think both are fundamentally very similar in difficulty

  • @lKeyZen
    @lKeyZen Před 5 měsíci

    I'm pretty balance about balance druid (hehe) because yeah it is not that hard to understand the rotation however I don't feel this is beginner friendly or M+ friendly because you depend so much about your gear and start to "shine" in really high keys. Even in +15 trashes are beeing deleted so fast you often do not have time to do damages and you just feel like you suck pretty hard

    • @anthonyb8869
      @anthonyb8869 Před 4 měsíci

      boomkins realistically are useless as a dps below a 21

  • @markuslc1888
    @markuslc1888 Před 8 měsíci

    i basically agree with the list BUT there is an important difference for every spec between difficulty to learn and difficulty to master. especially specs like frost might seem ez in a sense, it's just maintaining blizzard, frozen orb and spamming icelance and filling some glacial spikes in-between, but when you play that way and then watch the best frost mages in the world, it's like day and night not only due to mythic raid gear and insane pulls from giga tanks but also rota-wise. so actually I don't get fire mage as a moderate spec as well as MM hunter, you really can tell the difference way more than with other specs, how good someone handles their CDs, combustion is next to arcane surge on of the fastest, most intense and most unforgiving CDs in the game, imo also trueshot from MM is more than just a simple +% dmg CD it's more than just spamming aimed shot, stuff i would also mention, when it comes to the difficulty of a spec, some are ez to pick up, but to get to the full potential there are huge differences. try a perfect combustion with double BL + PI. it's so fast you might break your hand xD

  • @armagedoc66
    @armagedoc66 Před 5 měsíci

    Me trying to play arcane in my first time mage levelling... Cant lie, I love it and getting used to it.

  • @jsandy1994
    @jsandy1994 Před měsícem

    Balance Druid, or BM hunter for a new person coming back now?

  • @Constantinch
    @Constantinch Před 5 měsíci +2

    MM hunt is not easy at all. In order to optimize damage with Aimed you need to know well when you need to cast it, rotation during Trueshot with combination of best possible Volley rotation makes it complicated as well. Also hunters have explo trap/frozen trap/tar trap, aoe root and tranq shot when we talk cc/dispels and general responsibility.
    In general, when you compare bad BM to mid BM, difference in damage will be pretty small. If you compare bad MM to mid MM, difference will be really big. That means something.

  • @sugarmuma1990
    @sugarmuma1990 Před 4 měsíci

    i never played this game before and i join my first guide and they ask to me what do you play and i had arcane mage and they laugh at me as i picked and hardest one to play without know it. lol

  • @gala5000
    @gala5000 Před 7 měsíci +3

    fire is by far the hardest spec in the game to play with high proficiency.

    • @szaka9395
      @szaka9395 Před 4 měsíci +1

      The person that did this list got no idea, shadow is ez and bad, locks are a joke. Fire is hardest spec to play, to master and execute.

    • @PhantomSpaceman.
      @PhantomSpaceman. Před 15 dny

      @@szaka9395 A good fire mage apm is around 80 while arcane is around 50. Keeping combustion up is so fuqing hard to do.

  • @SilentKME
    @SilentKME Před 8 měsíci

    Here's a topic you can cover at elwsr briefly in your m+ guides - player toxicity in keys that make other players not wanna do it.

  • @pancakelad
    @pancakelad Před 5 měsíci

    the one I hard disagree with is MM hunter its immobile squishy beyond belief, and the complete lack of cc makes the dungeons harder not easier.

  • @Maddawg1984
    @Maddawg1984 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Good video one disagreement I have is with Demo Warlock placing as Moderate it should be up there with Harder specs I think you over valued the Tankyness versus the Rotation difficulty I believe. Demo Rotation is one of the harder specs to learn how to get good dps on. Almost all of your Damage is in your Tyrant Ramp and in AOE managing Imp count for big Implosions. A small mistake and your DPS is completely borked for the fight. I would say in my opinion it is harder then Affliction even well yes managing your dots can be difficult its much more forgiving then Demo. Affliction in Plus is not hard really AOE its dot primary vile Taint for AOE Agony and Seed Spam Affliction is more difficult in Single Target. In my opinion the only spec that is harder to do then Demo is Arcane. Arcane is way harder then Demo not comparing those 2 but I think Demo is one of the next hardest. Great video though I agree with most if it.

    • @kasper1241
      @kasper1241 Před 7 měsíci +2

      I think Demo was very easy to play in M+ in season 1 because we had so much AOE damage outside of Tyrant and the tier set gave us a lot of mobility with the instant Hand of Gul'dan. Dogs and Felguard did a huge part of our overall dungeon damage. But this changed in season 2. Also I think the difficulty of Demo is much higher if you play with Nether Portal.

  • @PhantomSpaceman.
    @PhantomSpaceman. Před 15 dny

    I must be the minority I but I feel Fire mage is the hardest spec. Arcane you can still kind of ƒuck up and still do good damage. Fire if you don't do a decent job keeping combustion up, your damage is absolute rubbish; same if you keep missing hot streak. You have to constantly stutter step in case you get a proc. Shadow just goes fast; not hard at all.

  • @tomsheng
    @tomsheng Před 7 měsíci

    Oops, I played the advanced specs😅

  • @JumpscareRodent
    @JumpscareRodent Před 5 měsíci +48

    Can I just say that this game has a massssssssssive problem with screen clutter. I literally cannot fathom new players wanting to start playing. And I know its addons but still, when most streamers screens look like this its so off-putting

    • @stephenleaf3848
      @stephenleaf3848 Před 4 měsíci +4

      Looking at the rotations on icy-veins is like a slap to the face that you spent your money on such complex gameplay as well. I’d like to find a casual friendly rotation where I don’t feel bad that I’ve not had hours of time to spend in front of a training dummy, but still wanna do group play.
      If screen bloat from “required” add-ons is to blame for this. I’d almost be willing to ban add-ons themselves. Of course I’d hate myself if this actually came to be a thing.

    • @coreyclarke6964
      @coreyclarke6964 Před 4 měsíci +6

      I play heroic raids with a nice clean UI and no addons. It’s a matter of preference

    • @KieperTV
      @KieperTV Před 3 měsíci +2

      It separates the men from the boys. Some learn and get the hang of it. some get mad go play Final fantasy 😂
      It’s honestly how you want it and preference. I make mine clutter free and organized while being able to do 20+ mythics

    • @JumpscareRodent
      @JumpscareRodent Před 3 měsíci

      I mean personally I understand why people do it, my screen has looked like that at some point. But from my experience showing WoW to lots of my friends, they all find it off putting.@@KieperTV

    • @tacituskilgore2016
      @tacituskilgore2016 Před 3 měsíci

      Trying to get into WOW and I agree. Just gonna go play classic and play casually. Way too much to learn to be an endgame sweat. ESO seemed much simpler for that.

  • @cyteriz95
    @cyteriz95 Před 8 měsíci

    Please new plater update for 10.2 :)

  • @joetri10
    @joetri10 Před 14 dny

    I'm a BH main, and i can agree 100% that BH is very easy....
    But i'll add the notion that because it's SO easy, it's very easy for players to become lazy, this making it actually rather hard.
    Because BH is so easy, they're also not the strongest, and it can be pretty easy to just drop potential damage just by being complacent.
    This is the case for every class, but i find BH just either horribly bad at the game, or some of the best... BH isn't about how easy or hard the spec is, but how much discipline you want to put into it.

  • @TheFatAmericans1
    @TheFatAmericans1 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Bro I can play Arcane into 20s but I can't play Balance to save my life

  • @jaimexcas
    @jaimexcas Před 5 měsíci

    "My spec is not easy!!"

  • @villepeltonen7806
    @villepeltonen7806 Před 5 měsíci

    did u just say druids are immortal on bear form:DD what kinda zaza are we smoking?

  • @user-ij9jx6ks8c
    @user-ij9jx6ks8c Před 7 měsíci +1

    Arzyn is last m+ affi lengend!!

  • @Soluxya
    @Soluxya Před 8 měsíci +5

    Hear me out, Balance Druid has the highest apm, while devastation evokers have the least of all casters

    • @BinkeeGaming
      @BinkeeGaming Před 7 měsíci +6

      I agree, if you are playing balance correct, it would be much into the harder than being one of the first beginner, managing Starlord and Rattle buffs, pulling AP to reset 3 stack starlord, making sure everything is completely dotted (otherwise you do no damage), I have played a lot of other range classes and Boomkin is def not the easiest. Also, going into bear while it can save you, while you are in bear your doing no damage. Def one of the squisher range classes (and boomkin is my main), lastly its one of the only ramp range classes (afflication aside) so if those mobs die quick, you are always dead last on the meters.

    • @PhantomSpaceman.
      @PhantomSpaceman. Před 15 dny

      I was curious so I looked up range APM, and balance and BM are 2nd highest at around 65apm on avg. Fire is at about 80apm for single target boss fights.

  • @nabilkoubaa
    @nabilkoubaa Před 5 měsíci

    Not me a newcomer to wow playing arcane mage right of the bat 💀

  • @justinmb14
    @justinmb14 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I feel arcane is pretty ez if you watch a guide on how to do your burst

    • @halygoslive8302
      @halygoslive8302 Před 8 měsíci +3

      As an Arcane main, I’d say it really depends. Watching a video of how to do burst is one thing but applying it in a dungeon (especially affixes that don’t encourage being static) can be very challenging. Starting a burst rotation to have an affix make you stop can feed frustrating as you’re trying to salvage your burst window. Arcane is also the least mobile of the three specs.
      But if you can get the timing right and get all your CDs lined up, you can do some serious damage in both AoE and ST.

    • @PhantomSpaceman.
      @PhantomSpaceman. Před 15 dny

      @@halygoslive8302 I do love how mobile fire feels, but I feel it is the hardest mage spec to do good dmg on. You have to keep combustion up for as long as possible, and gawd help you if you don't get crits. Even the tier set changes how drastically the rotation. I will say if you know when to use it before hand, Time-warp is absolutely the best defensive in the game for how short the CD is.

  • @Nr4747
    @Nr4747 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Fire Mage is more like "hard" on Guitar Hero, not expert. GW2 Weaver on the other hand, ooph . . .

  • @cocs88715
    @cocs88715 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Why arcane came to such a state is beyond me. It feels like a job that’s no longer fun.

    • @2SiKPr3daT0rZ
      @2SiKPr3daT0rZ Před 8 měsíci +1

      I think it’s the most fun mage spec, if anything they made it too simple with the rework

  • @sarlysoon5346
    @sarlysoon5346 Před 6 měsíci

    Well MM hunter is easy to play in term of doing damage, everything else sad. Might just be the most unwanted class due to abilities to survive in high M+.

  • @c_h6
    @c_h6 Před 8 měsíci +1

    You can tell this dude is a caster main. APM = difficulty only when it’s a range class apparently 💀 but when it comes to melee, APM = noob

  • @yakarue
    @yakarue Před 8 měsíci

    I wish warlocks felt tanky in higher keys. 26/27s and higher and things start to one shot you regardless of the innate tankiness because warlock health pool is much smaller right now relative to the past. So you have to rely on the limited mitigation actives. In lower keys it's absolutely an unkillable class.
    Really liked the video format, editing, and dialogue. This video is probably spot on when talking about keys in the 20-23 range, which is sort of mentioned at the end but I was thrown off by a comment at the beginning talking about higher keys, which is relative. In keys in the title range, the narrative on defensives changes quite a bit. Fire Mages thrive because of their easy rotation, mobility, and active defenses available for every ability thrown at them. While warlocks start to get one shot by mechanics, negating their innate tankiness and forcing them to be very careful in how they use their limited active defensives.

    • @Johannes1321
      @Johannes1321 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Did they just say Destro is easier than devoker and AUG XD

    • @yakarue
      @yakarue Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@Johannes1321 at +20s the skill floor for destro is quite low. As they mention, the passive tankiness allows locks to just live through mechanics without doing anything. At any key level it's not particularly complex but the tankiness argument goes out the window in title range keys, which adds complexity.

    • @Johannes1321
      @Johannes1321 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@yakarue I would agree to disagree. Destro suffers quite heavily from being clunky and a need for preplanning, like all lock specs, which is something devoker really do not need. Aug on the other hand I can somewhat agree with.

    • @yakarue
      @yakarue Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@Johannes1321 I think it's important to remember this video is about skill floors and not ceilings. Destro has a pretty low skill floor, especially in keys around the 20-22 range where you can live through pretty much anything without using a defensive.

  • @miloradmickovic2831
    @miloradmickovic2831 Před 5 měsíci

    So in short hunter is a faceroll class as it always was... Well, that's nothing new

  • @DohnJohnJoe
    @DohnJohnJoe Před 5 měsíci +1

    Watching this in Patch 10.2.. Hunters being F Tier.. :))))))

  • @Frstypwngaming
    @Frstypwngaming Před 7 měsíci +2

    Aug is literally the easiest M+ spec in the game, it literally just requires your teammates to be good.

  • @michalsarocky9565
    @michalsarocky9565 Před 4 měsíci +1

    lol affliction :D is most ez spec ever

  • @allnamesaretakenb4
    @allnamesaretakenb4 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I play most speccs, and Arcade mage is WAY easier than shadow priest. Its just way easier to deal damge

  • @teostere
    @teostere Před 3 měsíci

    Shaman hard and fkin frost mage easy?

  • @Billybomsjmg
    @Billybomsjmg Před 8 měsíci +1

    I play as an arcan mage and thought that this was the simplest class)

  • @valor144
    @valor144 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I don't agree with frost being beginner friendly after the rework. More like mid-tier, which is a shame really that if some beginner likes mage as a class there is no trully easy spec

  • @user-xc9nd8kz9j
    @user-xc9nd8kz9j Před 8 měsíci

    tankselfhealing and support class killing a ROLEplaygame, then there is only one Role any more DD

  • @sarah-vc9vh
    @sarah-vc9vh Před 18 dny

    arcane isnt hard its just luck dependant and completely sucks in raids

  • @powerplay074
    @powerplay074 Před 3 měsíci

    Hunter is easy mode for sure. Wow is so full of all kind of shit on the floor and areal effects it makes casting in mythics really shitty experience. But hunters can do their full rotation while moving thats huge ability.

  • @MrWiggles00706
    @MrWiggles00706 Před 7 měsíci

    The fact you said demology warlock is hard nulls this entire video 💀

  • @Turtle634
    @Turtle634 Před 8 měsíci

    Niceeeeeeeee

  • @daverobert5018
    @daverobert5018 Před 4 měsíci +2

    These lists are a complete joke. Do you guys actually play the game?

  • @peterhertel-yf2eb
    @peterhertel-yf2eb Před 8 měsíci +1

    No way balance druid is easy... ppl expect you to dispel/dispel enrage you have to switch form in to the bear to survive inerv healer if he is low on mana most of the time you doing everything else just not dps

  • @sithias3642
    @sithias3642 Před 4 měsíci

    Hunter is hardest class in the game cant believe you made bm the ez spec.

  • @nordrassil1
    @nordrassil1 Před 6 měsíci

    Can you just follow the title and rank them from easiest to hardest? LOL

  • @abdullahyousef3481
    @abdullahyousef3481 Před 2 hodinami

    Calling Arcane and Elemental Hard just shows that you guys dont know wtf you talking about

  • @gmichielon
    @gmichielon Před měsícem

    I"m not expecting Arcane Mage being Advance level... I mean.. the last thing i've heard about Arcane Mages back in WotLK was: Faceroll

  • @Mitchievous13
    @Mitchievous13 Před 8 měsíci

    Easy specs deserve to be f tier - cry more, Hunters

  • @kind2rethink
    @kind2rethink Před 6 měsíci +1

    The 2 hardest mechanics in m+
    1.Kick stun and any cc seems to be number1 when it comes to being so hard to perform that most people cant.
    2. The ultimate hardest thing for 98% of players is to move their asses to the dungeon themself because yo lame ass b...s standing afk in valdrakken and watching some braindead tiktok or wank ur sausage damn. Get movin 😂

  • @AngryPomeranian
    @AngryPomeranian Před 8 měsíci

    Ele is not hard, ele is trash. Zug zug fire build next season. Avoid ele like a plague. 0 changes through 10.1 exept for set nerf and 3% damage buff. 0 changes in 10.2. Don't repeat my mistakes if you don't want find yourself without a class mid season. Only if resto or enh main and ele for fun.

    • @Rattja
      @Rattja Před 8 měsíci +1

      Lava burst, earth shock, lava burst, earth shock, lava burst, earth shock...
      Cast time? What is that? Now, where was I? Ah!
      Lava burst, earth shock, lava burst, earth shock, lava burst, earth shock...

    • @Dilllll26
      @Dilllll26 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Fire build is more fun. It isn’t fun having to juggle 1000 buffs and debuffs. Just for tank to move out of your EQ anyway
      Ele was 10x more fun with just CL and EQ in previous expansions.

  • @TheKittyClink
    @TheKittyClink Před 3 měsíci

    Hunter isnt meta 4 months later BM ripping 30s and doing billions of dps lol

  • @ChasingLatitudes
    @ChasingLatitudes Před 7 měsíci +33

    This is so incorrect its unreal

    • @Dasbeerboots
      @Dasbeerboots Před 5 měsíci +4

      Imagine recommending Boomkin as a beginner spec.

    • @ChasingLatitudes
      @ChasingLatitudes Před 5 měsíci

      @@Dasbeerboots right

    • @jeremystrong3530
      @jeremystrong3530 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Lmao exactly what I thought crazy

    • @osaca2273
      @osaca2273 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Imagine saying Boomy is immortal in bearform xd It's like a 20%hp buff, so if you're low or taking dmg for 20 seconds it's useless

    • @sasukefaan
      @sasukefaan Před 5 měsíci

      Boomoid seethe and cope

  • @bradyjohnson8955
    @bradyjohnson8955 Před 5 měsíci

    I dont know how you can to any of the conclusions but seek help. The closest you got was arcane being difficult". If your running an arcane every pull is built around the mage...seek some help.

  • @patricematte9941
    @patricematte9941 Před 7 měsíci

    Arcane way harder then fire....fire are soo easy 😊

  • @bakharftw
    @bakharftw Před 8 měsíci +1

    Haha the worst tier list I see ever, guys u don't have idea

  • @subtletyx2016
    @subtletyx2016 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Lmao aug is the easiest this list is dumb. Aug don’t need to worry about anything and a good and bad aug evokers are the same.

    • @Verrulz
      @Verrulz Před 8 měsíci +2

      Ebon might uptime is very different between good and bad augs.Also, bad augs dont utilize their heals, their tail swipe and other utilities and have to keep the groups defensives and hp constantly in check, just like the healer, so they know when to pop zephyr, scales for grp max hp and rescue for rescue shield. Not saying the spec is hard, but there are worlds between good and bad augs since you basically have 3 roles, semi dps, semi heal and utility whore.

    • @Dilllll26
      @Dilllll26 Před 8 měsíci

      @@VerrulzI mean other classes have to do the same in high keys while also doing harder rotations. Aug is piss easy, first week of aug I played with someone who went straight into 27 on their first ever aug key lol. Try that on any other spec and you would get nowhere

  • @svingarm9283
    @svingarm9283 Před 8 měsíci +2

    bm hunters are every healer's nightmare.
    they are WAY too fragile, they die just looking at them. They have a stable dbs, but absolutely no burst.
    And they don't always have it easy.
    Whenever something needs to be done in a raid, it is always hunters who get the task because they are ranged and because they can shoot while running, so they always get the tasks, so not exactly a beginner's spec when you look at it that way
    Destro locks are probably the easiest to play, they are the ones with the fewest buttons to press, and their dps is super , its a real noob class.
    But love my destro :) its easy and does a ton of dps