NEW MYTHIC+ TIER LIST for 10.2.7 - DRAGONFLIGHT SEASON 4
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I think demo warlock should be A. I played A LOT of both destruction and demo for the past few weeks and have found demo to be better. The problem with destruction is you need a tank that routes around destructions 3 minute CD and pulls big, which most often doesn’t happen. I find myself having to hold infernal making it a massive dps loss. For typical routes demo is far superior. I’ve had more success with demo in the +13 range. I’m sure destruction is better at the highest keys when the team plays around you, but for a majority of people watching this, demo is where it’s at. Similar to last season. Plus, boss fights are usually where the key is won or lost, demo feels way better for bosses
That’s exactly how I feel about demo. It just feels more consistent in pug groups and it feels better to just use your cds on most pulls and still be ready for the boss
Definitely if you have a premade group and are communicating destro is better
@@FGCDean Exactly, the 2 min cd of demo is just too helpful. If you mess up your infernal timing and its not up for boss with lust its huge set back. Way easier to time CDs throughout the run as demo. I experimented with 2 minute infernal for pugging but it just wasnt as good as demo at that point. The main strength of destro is the god tier 3 min aoe but if its not being utilized correctly its actually a C tier spec imo
Destro is bis in 13+ keys
@@cojapie I've plus two'd a few 13s as demo as top or 2nd dps. I'm guessing I'll feel more pressure in the 15s to go destro. For now though 13s feel fine as demo
Every season is always a healer's nightmare though, and that's why healers are quoting so much, they are done overhealing your mistakes or being blamed for that one shot you got because Blizzard decided to your the agency to not get one shoted by giving you a defensive which you didn't use or a CC that it to prevent your death simply because it either takes less 0.1 calories to press the button for and also around so to think about it.
so much hate on my little brewmaster - sad times - still doing a shit ton of dmg in the big fun aoe pulls - and the buff to magic stagger is really nice tbh
Play what you like. Im Arms playing with Windwalker and Feral, BDK tank and Pres Healer. We’re doing 15s now so will probably be able to do a bit higher with some more ilvls.
any premade is better than pugging. yall can communicate on an intricate level and understand eachothers' weaknesses and strengths.
That comp is about as meta as you can get without playing any of the top 5 specs... you are literally building a comp around raid buffs that does really well with smaller pull pacing, and all melee so positioning for pres is trivial. Also, bdk +pres is very strong due to time dilation.
@@poorchrisno dummy. Pugs trying to strictly meta comp is terrible lmao. Most of you can’t even play said metas correct and suck.
@@Dontaethefist that's true, in season 1 the group I played with we ran an off-meta comp. We had a BDK, PEvoker, Outlaw, Enha and SPriest. We struggled in some keys but made it work, we nearly got 0.1% for title, but the grind became too much lol.
You play dk pov: 40 mins before an invite
Yo, recently subbed to your guide service! Super excited to see new videos for season 4 Mythic + - how often are you guys uploading new content to the website?
I love how Assasination is D tier and has 2 top 10 Leaderboards spot in Mythic+
The vid was probably recorded before the Assa buffs , but Assa is def the way to go in higher keys.
I don't mean this in a disrespectful way or anything, just stating a fact that the top 20 Assassination rouge average mythic + timed is around a 13 - 14. That's pretty low. (Average of a Destro is 18 / Average of Shadowpriest is 20). That 2 Assassination rouges you see, are like the top .01 percent. They must be incredible players that found some sort of exploit/trick that they're gatekeeping.
I don't think you know how leaderboards work
@Rafael-km9mx someone played this spec in a group of 5 and timed a top 10 key, dunno what you mean by this comment but it's pretty obvious.
@@Whatever-qs3rx bro, the avg timed keys for assassination is 13-14 that's incredible low. There's not a single reason to bring a rogue when dh, war, pally, dk are WAY better.
No other time have I felt the need to buff tanks. I am a forever brewmaster who went VDH last season...and the fact I could never die in keys other them FUBAR defensives on tyrannical bosses, what is even fortified 27s; the only skill associated with VDH is knowing how to open up a big pull. Once you start defensive ramping on mobs GG.. I am fighting for my life as a brewmaster monk in season 4 it is crazy.
As an Affliction main, currently holding #1 spot world on ladder as affliction, I can confirm, it should be pushed up 1 tier at least. It's not "BEST" but it should be a solid workable spec for rank 1. Although, most people are just lazy and goes for the easy meta rain of fire clicker Destru spec. Reality is, no affliction warlock is playing with a team, all pugging. Sole reason.
Idk how any spec can feel as good as aff in brackenhide
@@robinflowe1066 Yeah, with the AOE sure. But affly has like the WORST EVER prio swap damage for totem on last though. But if you play setup correctly, it's all good...
Vile taint and soul rot help, but trinket/staff help more. Ultimately though, yeah - pretty dependent on the other damage dealers to carry that prio burst
@@kungjocke9446why does everyone forget soul swap exists? You have ss, 30sec cds, run nymues staff and spindle. Its awkward but you can pull your weight
@@nikrotas Because other talents are worth way more than this garbage. Both trinkets are really awkward to play as well in m+, it wont help.
Ive had my eye feral for years. I want it to be something other than the red headed step child of the melee group but if it is, it will be the vengeance DH of melee so I don’t know what I want from feral. If it was something like WW which is the middle of the pack, that would be nice, tuned to be above average but not trash would be ideal. Yes I’d like to see your thoughts on it SC.
I would love to see a video that is specific to the “10 weekly” folks
Basically any class, play what do you want. Everyone got mostly BiS gear (2x trinkets, weapon) so plus 10 keys are bad joke now 😂
What they did to Hpal is almost criminal. A whole rework gone to waste :(
So I am curious, what needs to happen for hunters to come into A or S tier, is it survivability and utility that puts them down? I get that if they were doing the best dmg they would creep in there but that seems to not happen ever. Also what was surprising with the meta for yo guys this season. Shadow Priest is still there and Mage and Lock and Retri and Rogue. Resto druid and Vengeance were also in the top in season just like most of the top DPS
Hunters are way to squishy, you need a dedicated healer on them.
In the high keys, it's not just about damage. Utility, I would argue, is much more important.
You'll have to ask yourself two questions in order to identify if your spec should be ranked higher.
1. What else does the spec bring that can benefit the group? Utilities below are highly sought after.
-AoE stops (probably the most important one when planning for large pulls)
-dispells
-enrage dispells for enraging weeks
-methods to skip enemies or cheese mechanics (such as wyrmstone for treemouth, assuming that hasn't been fixed yet)
-group-wide defensive
-battle rez
-hero/lust
-etc.
2. Can it survive high bursts of damage or consistant incoming damage? How much are you needing to rely on the healer to keep you alive? If you can get to a point to where the healer doesn't have to worry about you much, then they can take on other tasks, such as dealing with affixes or dealing some dps.
@@corysteiner1218 damage > survivability > utility. People only talk about utility when the class can do good damage except for augmentation which has more to do with bringing survivability than utility.
@@corysteiner1218 this is what I am after. But it also means that unless hunter is super ahead in dmg they will never reach the meta. Last I can remember was BM that was in the meta in BFA season 4 of the ranged ones. Just feels like it is a cluster of specs that alternate being in the meta and some others that never or almost never reach it, talking about DPS. Most of them have a plethora of utility or survivability or both and some other classes are very lacking which something I wish Blizz would look at.
Man these tier lists are misleading af, he mentions how good some specs are for high keys vs low keys. But then he ranks, some of the best dps for lower keys up to 12-13 range such as MM as C tier?. I'm a rogue main, and this season I've been trying multiple specs for each class, I'm constantly topping the meters as off-meta specs on the key range I mentioned. Unless you're doing 15-16's+ literally don't listen or care about this tier list (which let's be honest if you're a player doing high keys you are probably not watching these kinda videos).
It's because these are based on popularity, not actual function. The top 1% of players is who determines what's "best" for the season, because everyone wants to emulate them, so whatever they choose to play on, is what everyone else makes into a "meta". It's a sheep mentality.
@@gothnate So just go mage spriest and go brr
Survival is doing really bad this season because Blizz gave us a fucked tier set and will be in season 3’s tier set for the foreseeable future.
Regardless of the “meta” I will always play my disc priest. Just something about feeling like another dps in the group is satisfying.
I see moonkins absolutely crushing it, yet so few of them around this season
What is a good comp to go with my Guardian Druid?
The brew nerf is stupid af and shows again that blizz tuning only care about raid meta and not about m+, while m+ is played way more
Great usage of the mogging terminology ezreal 👍
I would love to see a video on feral!
Can someone help me out?
What ilvl is recommended for, lets say, keys 2-4-6-8-10? I'm currently 495 - which should I am at as a resto druid?
Ilvl counts a bit, what's more useful is your spec knowledge and dungeon knowledge. With 495 you could do +10 keys. I reccomend you to just start playing keys and go as high as you can.
I main a resto druid. 8s get you mythic track vault pieces so you don’t really need to go higher then that for gearing. 10s are good to do once for the portals.
At 495 though, I’d stick to 2-6 range depending on the team. Lots of things are outta your control such as when the tank pulls big on fort weeks or dps don’t interrupt and/or stand in swirlies but lots of things can be done as a rdruid such as catweaving and disrupting shout on cd. You could probably manage an 8 but it would be stressful and dependent on the team doing well too.
But you can basically just run 2-5 until the crests don’t help you anymore. The tome from azure vault is really good for us but you have to go balance loot spec for it to drop. Yumytv (growl) has a rdruid m+ guide for s4 if you want to be sure you’re getting the most outta the spec. Good luck!
As a long time feral Druid player I can tell you what’s up, the devs have absolutely no idea what to do with the spec so they keep adding random bandaids every few years to try and make it work and it doesn’t. The DF rework for feral is mid at best, and even though the class can do relatively decent damage right now, it is absolutely not in a good spot.
Another problem for the Survival Hunter is that changing the T-Set only meant a DPS loss. You farm together items that are up to 30 Ilvl higher than the previous season, so that on average you do 30k to 50k less dps than the previous season. A slap in the face for an already underrepresented class.
Not to mention that in latest balance update everyone got buffed except Survival. Blizzard obviously does not like this spec.
I think this is a miss on resto shaman. If you look at the highest keys, it’s all druid with some monk and shaman. Seems to be out competing priest in key difficulty.
The reason paladin is so popular is because its the ultimate noob class, even more then hunter with how easy blizzard has made the class
Every class in this game is Easy, that's should be... Its about Fun... Whats your Main?
Been playing paladin since WoD… 😢
@@soulwax8616 it's not fun to be a pvp player and now paladins are a ranged plate class with busted defensives on extremely low CD and also the most busted utility
@@angrygun7826 i bet u main a rogue
You act like pvp in general takes skill
Tanks need a serious look going into war within. Vengeance felt so fun and your control made you feel like the group was really on and at your back while you spear headed the team through the dungeon. They needed to buff other tanks with damage/control/survivability. What was their answer? Nerf Vengeance. Of course Vengeance is still Meta... Literally and figuratively. I hope all tanks can bring some control and stability in war within.
I agree to an extent. I do feel like VDH having so much control has made pug players even lazier than they already were.
R3 pally is definetly S tier. Decent Single target, one of the best AoE dps with 60s burst window that many dps cannot even compare to that. Dont forget massive utility like BoF, cleanse, Lay, combat ress. This Class is just made for M plus content. King.
Feral vid yes pls
No brewmaster monk courses :((
Surv still can’t use new tier set in keys. They are d tier at best.
i hate tier lists....2k players think they need S tier specs to do their 8s FML
Lol I only watch it for fun. I’m wayy too picky to pick something i don’t actually like. There’s only 2 classes in all of WoW I can play past lv 50.
I don’t agree with assassination, I think it’s the most fun rogue spec and doesn’t need to shy away on dmg meters aswell. Even with bis weapons on outlaw and mediocre weapons for assassination, I like the way assassination plays a lot more then outlaw. And there are lots of m+ people that can really make it shine.
Make Holy Priest guide for M+ please :)
Marksman Hunter is way better than listed.
I see this one dude doing damage as though an augmentation is in the group but they're not.
They can do some really crazy damage and consistent
I swapped playing Destro to Demo. Destruction is for top meta.. I don’t see pulls that size in 12+ keys. Demo is easy 500k+ in all dungeons. I’m around 380k+ with Destruction, but I won’t neglect the fact they pump in monster pulls.
Than you play destro wrong..... I had easy 400k dps already in lower keys and with a gs way under 500... So you def do smth wrong
I dont know how marksmanship is at c. Im doing 688k -692k total in 10's . Yes my tank pulls for me but without cooldowns im popping 750k 800k . Abd with cds easily 2.3m + with big pulls. In raid with mass add pulls easily 3.3m
bc hunter in general doesn't have the survivability nor aoe stops/utility to be good in higher keys.
assa is better than surv esay..its the same as sub play around cds
the narrator of this sounds like the dude from the f150 ad
Jesus Christ..do the people writing “play what you want” think they are providing new groundbreaking words? Literally has been said 15 times. Nobody needs a wow knight in shining armor on tier lists..we are aware!
I’m a new player in dragonflight i understand nothing he’s talking about but I agree
Keep sleeping on assa rogue. Mass aoe enrage removal, same cc capabilities as outlaw, and competitive damage in the form of no aoe soft cap. 520 item level averaging 475k overall without PI/aug. Shit pumps after the buffs.
doesnt change the fact that if you cant get constant restealths you’re fucked
@@romanbloomfield9066 that is such an easy thing to coordinate with a group lol
Agree resteal is no problem except shade affix weeks and even with that is still very playable. Playing assa and monk and assa pumping way more than monk…. Definitly one of the best melee spec atm if not the best
@@exidiumyt5137 hmm, wonder what i'd rather do in my pug +10, work around an ass rogue restealthing or just take an outlaw rogue...
@@romanbloomfield9066 Assa literally does more damage than outlaw lol. Or at least has the potential too. It takes literally seconds between pulls to allow for a restealth. Point is it’s all preference and people are undervaluing the damage output of Assa atm
“The days of spamming chain lightning and earthquake are over.”
Yeah, now you spam lava burst. In aoe. Even when mael capped.
BM hunter only B tier while Ele is A?
The nerff in brewmaster is equivalent to only 3-4% of our total dps. Stop spreading misinformation, this generated a very low impact for the brew
Resto shaman = coolest spec!
WW is my goat melee down with the pallies
So misinformed about SV Hunters. There is a larger issue at stake for SV Hunters and Blizzard only chooses to ignore it. Mythic plus wise they're in really bad shape. C tier is very generous considering the tier set issues we're seeing.
As a main holy pala, I approve of this....
Demo is better for ~13 keys. Sure doesn't do giga aoe, what it does do is good aoe consistently every pull. I play both and i prefer demo myself. My group prefers demo in most dungeons except the few big pull keys.
Lol yall take these tier lists too seriously
Fun tier:
Demo lock >>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything
As an assassination rogue, I beg to differ, it's been s tier in all my keys😅
Maybe you've just had bad teammates?
@@gentlepatootie2580idk, the keys get timed.
So assa is D tier cos one dude doesnt like the spec… cool, thx for making me even harder to get to pugs. Assa has the same tooltip as any other rogue plus aoe silence, plus aoe enrage dispell. And dmg has maybe better than outlaw if not shade affix…
Damage is nowhere near outlaw, theres a reason zerocool plays OL now.
@@richiepipes8960 lol he plays assa… last video ulda with 700k+… aca 900k+… outlaw doesnt go above 600k anywhere….
@@MarekTikal-fh4uo Id love to know how he gets up high, when im blasting on all cylinders w 5-6 buffs im at around 600k but keeping the buffs up is nauseating
@@MarekTikal-fh4uo Now you got me thinkin lmao sin was my fave spec..
Disc priest in b tier?! SIR!
Next back je suis fière de toi
Me maining a resto shaman and holy pala 🥲 pain
Resto shammy is doing really well in raid and m+ maybe not plus 29 but very high
@@TooMuchTuna7 in raids its great always but man holy pala sucks in everything
@@moejassimm as an HPal main it really upsets me how long it is taking Blizzard to give us any kind of meaningful buff. Buff the spenders, holy shock, flash of light, and consecration and we could limp through season 4. No rework needed now, just buffs.
Walked out of a 19 noko. No aug. Dk and warrior dps as a holy priest. Play whatever you want 😂
A tier for tanks should be empty. The difference between VDH and everything else is too large to ignore.
Rsham c tier ! That’s craaaaazy
What is a pug run
Pugging is when you group up with random players. If I were to join someone from the LFG system I’d be pugging with them.
you are 100% wrong about demo locks ...
o again VENGANCE S TIER, during shadowlands they also dominated...
a 23 minute video about a tier list, 2 months in? lol This game, and by extension this channel is a meme at best.
Welcome to world of ranged... As usual
Season 4 is absolute garbage so far, even when I use my own key most ppl quit or it takes almost years to get a group together and if u try to queue up for a group even with my mage having a GS of 510 he gets refused so many times even just for +0 myth ist ridiculous 🤦♂️ it really makes absolutely no fun so far
And lol druids are always complaining 🤦♂️ shadows T-set was absolutely trash it was such a bullshit in aoe situations
I came here to see feral lol
Make a feral video. You seem to be unaware of its potential. You placed it below a spec with little utility while feral can bring damage and utility (CC: double stun rake, SM stun rake, melee interrupt, incap roar, ursol's vortex, typhoon, soothe, decurse, root. Self sustain: free regrowths, renewal, frenzy regen auto proc, frenzy regen on use, barkskin, survival instincts, bear form) . I'd suggest doing the research before arbitrarily labeling any spec. You put Boomy between A/B because they bring MotW...? You identifed them as bad yet place them up top. Seems sus. From a damage perspective we have uncapped aoe. I've hit 3M a good number of times. We can spec into funnel if needed and have competitive ST dmg even in our M+ builds.
My tier list
Classes that get invited:
Vdh, resto druid, mage, aug, shadowpriest, destruction warlock and ret palladin.
Go play pandaria remix or have a team:
All the other classes/specs.
Idk whats going on with balance team but they suck at their job, we are in another god comp situation, melees are perma fucked (-palladins that are ranged after rework) every dungeon punishes melees 1000x more than rdps, rdps have more dmg more utility more of everything...
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This is why theese kind of "VIDEOS" suck, you put Assassination Rouge on D tier and other creators put them in S tier, even after there 6+ buff, like how can creators make this huge diffrent choices on 1 spec when they all use as they say it themselves "RAW DATA"?
man you should stop doing ranking videos based on the 0.01% players. Bm hunter are rekting meters like and thats all that matter for 99.9% keys. Arms b tear is just hilarious.
If this was a 0.01% tier list it would be shadow in S, mage aug in A, demo in B then everything else in D
Demo B Tier 😂😂😂😂😂
garbage rankings lmao
Wtf is this dog S tier list 😂
It’s S4 leave, people alone and let them play what they enjoy…
Cleared all 10th-11th both weeks. I'm first in every group, outdpsing ASS-tiers by a mile.
Keep listening this tier lists and play so called "meta" specs and stay third in details below MM and Affli warlock.
Trash.
You're so good but you didn't do any +18s? Sus bro.
Trash.
Blame the players, not the game. Tier lists represent what the upper potential of a spec is. It isn’t going to dictate the logs or success of every party you join unless balance is astoundingly bad. But I’ve played both Hpal and Rdruid in +10s first two weeks of the season and the difference in ease of play between the two is staggering.
? What even is this perspective? Personal experience does not trump statistics.
@@Hellzyeaa thing is - I don't care. It's my opinion.
Sure bro you are probably telling the truth about your runs. However, if a good player joined your group on one of the top specs you would get dumpstered. That is the point. I totally agree with your sentiment of playing what you want though for sure
Who the f cares about dungeoens😂 come on thats no show of skill😂😂
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I have subscribed to your channel and I liked it, I hope we can grow together, good video friend! I am Orc Hunter on the Tichondrious server
So assa is D tier cos one dude doesnt like the spec… cool, thx for making me even harder to get to pugs. Assa has the same tooltip as any other rogue plus aoe silence, plus aoe enrage dispell. And dmg has maybe better than outlaw if not shade affix…