Its funny how Britney Spears and Lana Del Rey are single handedly responsible for revolutionising modern pop and yet are so criminally underrated in terms of recognition
thought this was abt LDR being a Britney stan, and also sampling the lyrics of Breathe on Me "Put your lips together and blow" which is also a Lauren Bacall quote
Tunnel winning album of the year would make award show history. If she won it would show that the Grammys value artistry as much as popularity. Between A&W blowing up and Margaret making its way onto TikTok, I'd say Lana has quietly but greatly impacted the culture in 2023. She's also coming back into the public eye, which I love. It's about time Lana won a Grammy and one for Tunnel Under Ocean Boulevard would be well deserved!
@24kgoldplatedvermeil of course it deserves to win, for one thing it's a better album than most of the other nominees (and yes, that include midnights), the only album that is on the same level of quality and popularity as Ocean blvd is SOS by SZA
Yeaaah... I was just gonna say that! They (Grammy Acad.) view themselves unrealistically as some kind of nobility who doesn't have to explain themselves or their means, but in my humble opinion they are in crisis, and making a fair artistic choice would do themselves a massive favor in terms of winning us all back 💁🏻
Lana is on a whole different level than any other artist. The fact that the title of the album is a poem in and of itself is just genius. She is an artistic genius
I love that she doesn't really care about the popularity of her music anymore. She's been experimenting, dropping singles like Venice Bitch that probably wouldn't make the charts, and making more personal music. She's def focusing on quality (and the more therapeutic aspects for her, like writing about her life and thru stream of conscious like journaling) than the success of her music in the charts.
Lana deserves at least one album of the year award. I hope this will be her year!! BTD, NFR and Ultraviolence deserved to win Album of the Year. Period.
The fact that nfr won nothing blows my mind. Like that was a phenomenal album and it was later in her career, too, so she was a well-established artist with her musical influence already widely acknowledged. I can't believe she didn't even get alt aoty
@@ericcckyYEAAAH It went a long way to show *taste* is more important then paying a few k's to/getting sponsored by fancy designers to envelop you in some random ass crap that doesn't even suit you, I am so glad she did this 🥰😃
The way she says it, her facial expression, the fact the dress actually dresses her body, her chillness, I MEAN, URGH, a moment, a preach, everything, she's Barbie 😄💃🏻
Besides Taylor, Lana is my ultimate queen. To deny her influence would be an outright lie. I liked Midnights, but I am hoping and praying it doesn't win AOTY. Compared to Lana, Olivia, and SZA's masterpieces, Midnights doesn't compete- especially compared to Taylor's other AOTY wins.
Taylor and Lana are Like ying and Yang when it comes to Album After The collab you can’t have one Without the other , I like love love love both artists ()
absolutely. i think midnights would have deserved aoty without these contenders, but not if lana is considered. in fact, i think it would only rest points from taylor's image, since her media presence has been overwhelming and her lobbying habits are well known. it wouldn't feel like an earned victory to the public, but rather a "bought" victory.
Fearless, 1989, and folklore are Taylor’s Grammy wins. Does midnights thematically, culturally, and lyrically compare? I think those albums that won were complete shifts in genre and done so perfectly. Midnights, I don’t know, is not as “good” as those that won. I LOVE it, but I don’t think it should win AOTY
I think she could DEFINITELY win the alternative categories, but I so badly want her to win one of the big categories. A&W really deserves Song of the Year imo, but Album of the Year would be very prestigious.
@@Aki-hb1jy How did A&W not win that, it's literally the best song under that category 😭 And like no offense but This is why is soooo boring and stale.
Yes NFR so deserved AOTY or decade.. she deserves a lifetime achievement award for influencing all these young girls that all got Grammys BEFORE her!?!?!? Like that is TRAGIC…. We wouldn’t have a Billie or a Olivia without THE Lana. But we all know that Y&B deserved a Grammy, Oscar, GG, etc as one of the best soundtrack songs EVER that overshadowed the film…… & B2D deserved best new artist that year…..
This albums impact on pop culture has actually been pretty big as well which I think bodes well for her Grammy campaign. She basically birthed the hair bow, soft feminine, coquette trend which has been massive on tik tok this year with let the light in and Margaret going viral as well. I’ve seen artists like Laufey who have blown up as well this year have similar aesthetics for her album as well. Lana’s cultural impact is actually insane and she does it without even trying
@@GhostOfEvermore literally what are you talking about. Taylor swift is not influential in the way Lana is sorry ‘ghost of evermore’. I’ve literally seen visuals from laufey that are a straight rip from the ocean Blvd shoot, I’m not talking about who she claims her influence is. And you think it’s just a coincidence that in the year Lana wears a massive hair how on her album cover at the top of the year everyone starts wearing one? And no Lana’s style has nothing to do with Amy Winehouse, whose own style is a reference to the 50s and 60s. And she’s been dead for 13 years, how exactly did she reintroduce the hair bow in 2023? Lmao (those are rhetorical questions btw, feel free to hush up I don’t need to hear from you again)
@@GhostOfEvermore to say that the trend has "nothing to do with lana" is simply delusional, but I'm not surprised since swifties are known to be belligerent about other female artists getting their just praise. I'm gonna assume you're about 12 years old since clearly you think taylor swift is the pinnacle of artistry and just like her, you feel that no other female artist deserves their flowers, but i promise you the world doesn't revolve around taylor swift nor her capitalist exploits disguised as art. and just because laufey is a swifie that doesn't mean she didn't copy lana's aesthetic for her album lol, two things can be true at the same time. lana/lizzy has been an artist since before taylor debuted, and she isn't in the born to die era anymore, she's moved on and maybe you should too.
@@GhostOfEvermore concerning Lorde, i guess the argument is that the success of Pure Heroine (2013) followed the success of BTD (2012) in this alternative pop girl era, meaning the public was more responsive to Lorde because of the prolific debut that LDR had. i can't really attest to the amount of influence there, that's just what i've been hearing. i don't think anyone's actually saying Lorde was ever inspired by Lana, in fact she criticized her back then and they were lowkey feuding.
Crying through this whole thing. If someone didn’t love Lana before this video, I can’t see how they wouldn’t after. You do her such justice. ❤ you are brilliant
Lana singlehandedly changed pop music‘s landscape and inspired artists sonically and visually into the tiniest corners of different genres! the biggest artists on the planet and veteran artists even bow down for her! her not having a grammy is a joke at this point! and i really hope the gramms finally will give her her way overdue awards this year!
Lana doesn’t want to whore herself out to the Grammy’s board of selectors, and I get it. Lana has always wanted to be recognized for her artistic depth. Not everyone is going to get it right away. It’s always frustrating to realize that her work is only celebrated a decade after release. I’ll take Lana how I can get her, though. All the best ones lost their minds, so she’s not going to change. She’s beautifully, and perfectly imperfect.
totally! she doesn't need a grammy, it won't help or hinder her artistic process. but it would be nice for her fans to see her get acknowledged, and deep down she would like it too
@@theswiftologist I’m not ashamed to admit that I want to see her carry off as many of those ridiculous awards as possible. Then maybe stick them in her garden next to a pink flamingo or something
She has been recognised by others tho, which is amazing! Like she's been named American songwriter of the century by Rolling Stone. It's just wild she can be acknowledged like that but somehow has never won a grammy lol
I think DYKTTATUOB is Lana´s most deserving album of Album Of The Year. In a way it feels like combination of all her previous eras combined into one amazing project. This album really shows her biggest strengths as songwriter, vocalist and artist in general. To me this feels like peak artistry moment. As years will go by i see this album having a big legacy moment just like Born To Die. I think SOS is kinda locked for winning AOTY this year, but i also think Grammys could only benefit with giving this award to Lana this year. If it was about me then DYKTTATUOB would be a clear winner this year.
It would be more beneficial for the Grammys to give Lana an award rather than for her to receive it. it would make history and bring a huge amount of attention to the award show. However, I don’t want this to happen. It would be DiCaprio 2016 moment that looked more like a consolation prize and felt anti climaxing… I still can’t comprehend how Born To Die and Ultra violence didn’t win Grammys… 🤦♀️ When the Albums were so revolutionary and the Grammys still were truly culturally significant…
You expressed exactly how I feel about Lana in general, being a super fan of hers since 2012, the lack of promotion, visuals and videos for an album as tunnel is simply outrageous, it almost makes this amazing album forgettable in the public eye, as if she wants the album to go live forgotten under the tunnel 😂 her born to die, paradise and lust for life era shows that she can serve visuals if she wants too… but she just doesn’t 😢
I also once commented on Lana’s tunnel video “queen please don’t let this album go without beautiful videos” and got thousands of likes so clearly the fear of a lack of visuals is real in the fandom
It probably takes so much work that she doesn't really see as worth it. She's been snubbed so many times that at this point she probs doesn't want to put in all that effort for visuals just to be snubbed again
Lana del Rey is an artist of another age, like those singer song writes of the 60s. Because when it’s all said and done her influences and power will stand the test of time
Completely agree this album needed more visuals besides the Candy Necklace video, which is stunning but not the song I would’ve chosen the only music video for. Tunnel or A&W having a video I think would’ve taken this era over the top. However I did appreciate all the different artwork and variants we got, definitely the most she’s done for a project and she served c*nt.
I was very shocked that Lana worked with SYML using his beautiful piano track 'I wanted to leave' in Paris, Texas because it is a very emotional piece and the way she add something new make it feel a little more special to me ❤ i really hope she can finally win the grammy
Zach, I got hooked on your Taylor Swift content but what really keeps me here is your excellent writing! I started noticing it on your GUTS review and I can’t stop appreciating your turns of phrase now!
Hey Zach! - curious about your opinion on Ocean BLVD’s track listing! I’m aware it was theorized right from the get-go to be listed in the sequence of a “tunnel-like” experience, having The Grants, title track, and Sweet beginning the entry into the tunnel - turning point at around A&W/the interludes, the pitch-black dead centre being Kintsugi & Fingertips - slowly leading the listener through the other side of the tunnel until another turning point at Let the Light In/Margaret - and then finishing off more playful & light in Fishtail, Peppers, & Taco Truck, and VB being her triumphant victory lap.. I’ve seen the album through this lens since release and it honestly doesn’t even seem too farfetched, given Lana’s capabilities and visions.. I think it adds a lot to the artistic excellence of the album (despite not being confirmed, necessarily) and sets her apart from the other nominees in this aspect!! iconic vid as always, Lanaologist
@@shilohgoes5544 This is true, because as far back as Paradise she’s been nominated in the smaller categories. She prob just doesn’t care that much to be involved in the submissions process lol
I’ve heard some of the songs from this album and really enjoyed them, as well as lightly and casually dabbling in Lana over the last decade, but this video has inspired me to listen to this album all the way through. Thanks as always for the thoughtful analysis, Zack!
ocean boulevard is really good and it would be well deserved if it won aoty. that being said, i feel like the main reason i feel like lana deserves it is because nfr lost in 2020. also, the aoty category is so stacked this year. boygenius deserves it, but lana deserves it, but olivia deserves it, but sza deserves it too. taylor’s my favorite, but the only thing i can say for sure is that midnights shouldn’t win (endless summer vacation too lol).
I honestly hope Lana wins, well deserved. The Grammys should add an award for artists who's worked have shaped the music industry currently. So many artist don't get recognized but later artists who use their work as inspiration end up winning.
beautiful vid as always. the way you get kintsugi and sweet is so brilliant. ocean blvd is such an important album to me and by far my fav of 2023 and if it finally got lana her overdue deserved aoty award i’d be so happy.
this is my aoty, i loved hearing your thoughts on it. i hope she wins any of the categories i just wanna see her get up on that stage and get her flowers
Melodrama and NFR! losing AOTY were the exact moments that i knew Grammys don't mean shit. They reward artists work due to the level of favoritism and inmersion among the music industry more than the actual artistic value. However, is great that Lana has never needed them to justify the quality of her work. She's one of the most acclaimed songwritters of our generation and she achieved that status on her own
@@theswiftologist. Literally like when she named some of her songs “sad girl” and “pretty when you cry” back in 2014 with her known pale grunge tumblr fame was so funny to me
Lana del rey... is inspiring me to be more human, in my business, in my situationships, my relationships.... THANK YOU FOR THIS ... this.. i learned so much more energetic strategy from this free youtube video,.. compared to like hundreds and hundreds of dollars i have invested in the coaching industry :")))) [and the classical music industry]
Your videos are always so well put together! No one does it like you. That’s why I always come back to listen to what you have to say every video unlike some other commentators.
Zach babe you are so good at what you do! Lana is my all time fav, and your 30 min essay abour this record made my heart soar. You made many good points I never really noticed
lana's influence on pop music is comparable to a silent revolution. if there was never a lana, there wouldve never been a billie, a lorde, or a melanie martinez. she brought that style of music into the zeitgeist, and i consider that enough of a cultural impact to warrant her being recognized by the grammys. its LONG overdue.
@@GhostOfEvermoresure, but it would be laughable to suggest that lana’s music is inspired by taylor (her sonic influences are very different, and where taylor is best at writing with accuracy and specificity, lana’s music not only reflects her personal life but the whole culture)
Lorde and Lana started in the same year, at least to get recognized or get lots of audience for Lana since she started way back. Lorde released her first EP back in 2012, she then later officially released it on March 2013. My point here is, there's a little influence that Lana influence Lorde or even inspired Lorde to get into music since they started in the mainstream almost in the same year.
Royals was literally a response to the opulence and visuals of Born to Die. She was watching Lana closely pre-Pure Heroine, and Lana still released BTD 10 months before the Love Club even came out. It's undeniable that Lana influenced Lorde.@@paduanicoc.7019
@@theswiftologistespecially now its SO obvious with Solar Power. Ik she worked with Jack so that would influence it, but so have many others and they still sound more...unique ig
i’ve dedicated myself to listening to each album nominated so i can properly formulate an opinion prior to the show… i started with ocean blvd because i was the most curious. this album had me so confused but feeling so interested and just….??? i’ve listened to a lot of it on repeat since. i haven’t listened to the rest of the nominations (aside from midnights ofc) but i have a hard time believing anything will live up to the way this album resonated with me. not a huge fan of the interludes & some of the tracks (margaret) i could maybe do without, but the album collectively is an EXPERIENCE and i would love to see lana get some credit for it.
If Lana doesn’t win SOTY or AOTY this time (after the painful snub of NFR) I don’t want her to win a single Grammy after that. (Grammy or No Grammy, Her artistry is going to speak for itself as it always has) but This is the last chance for Grammys to make up for all the times.
Did you know that there’s a tunnel under ocean blvd is so special because of the meaning connected to every song especially Margaret and a& w . I’m honestly so sad that she didn’t win any out of all five nominations. And that many artists won multiple awards for the same album/ song. I feel A&W should’ve won song of the year it explored topics like s a that makes all girls and women feel heard . She was so vulnerable in this album I’m so shocked she got like no recognition
this is such a great analysis! i even watched a second time with my sister so that we could discuss lol. lana is SO overdue for a grammy and it irritates me to this day that NFR didn’t win AOTY. NFR is my personal favorite album of all time, so i’m definitely biased, but i think that NFR is an absolute masterpiece and was pure genius on lana’s part. i agree with you that lana is always ahead of the time, which is why it seems that lana’s work is never appreciated like it should be until later on. i would love for Ocean Boulevard to win AOTY and i think it is super deserving, but with such a stacked lineup, i’m not sure what’s going to end up happening. imo, A&W is the obvious choice for song of the year. there are lots of very commercially popular songs in the running, but none of them come close to the complexity, lyricism, adventurousness, production quality, etc. of A&W. if A&W wins, it will really show that the grammy’s actually do pick winners based on the merits that they claim to judge by, rather than just popularity / commercial success. it will be very telling in terms of the future direction that the Grammy’s is heading toward. thanks for this video! it’s so interesting to hear different perspectives on this :)
Paris,Texas might also be a reference to the movie "Paris, Texas", who explores the themes like abusive relationships, loss of innocence, family/generational trauma, nostalgia and of course, the false American dream. I highly recommend this movie if you guys like this song and Lana's aesthetic and the subjects she writes about in general.
#3 album of the year for me. Behind The Rolling Stones' "Hackney Diamonds" (#2), Olivia Rodrigo "GUTS" (#1). I want "GUTS" to win Album Of The Year at the Grammys, but I'd be happy if Lana takes AOTY. It's a great album. Taylor Swift could also win. There's a lot of competition for AOTY this year.
You have a fantastic style, I felt like I was listening to an album review from Rolling Stone, one of those good, delicious reviews ❤ I need to check if you have any other videos on LDR album analysis, this was everything I've always loved about her but have never been able to articulate 😮
Norman Fucking Rockwell is the best most cohesive album I've ever heard. Like I don't have a favorite song on that album because they're all amazing to me. And not to compare to Taylor, she's still my favorite artist and still has my favorite songs. But for an album NFR just hits different. God, when I first listened to it on a whim I was practicing painting and I felt so in the zone, in the clouds, so out of body experience. It was a shitty night but because of it made my night better and if I would sum it up; eargasm.
I really hope Lana wins. That album is so special to my boyfriend and I. Especially my 2 month old husky- who fell asleep to it every day. Also, i love Margaret even tho you didnt swiftologist. Lmao.
I genuinely wish she would have gave us more visuals for this album. The music video for candy necklaces was beautiful but no rewatch value because of how the song keeps pausing, unlike the Ride music video.
It's been long ago since I tried to rationalize and make any sense of the Grammy's logic.😅it's fun hearing your theories Lana at this point doesn't even need the recognition on the grammys. she's that girl💅
I mean… if we talk about popularity Lana was the 2nd most streamed female artist of 2023? Same goes for 2024. The Grammy’s definitely out of touch when it comes to artistry + popularity.
popular opinion: not having a video for A&W (the most marketable single of them all) was a suicide for Ocean Blvd's campaign. It would have been a hit, it had a LOT of potential to go viral (in fact i saw a couple of tiktoks using the jimmy part). Candy Necklace was probably a good choice, but nothing was done to promote the video or the single. and it didn't have the same virality potential as A&W
I love Taylor but i hope she doesn't win album of the year. Midnight is one of my favorite Taylor albums but she already won so much this year. Let someone else have it too, Taylor.
I'm not unbiased by any means, i don't pray to God, i pray to Lana but she simply deserves that Grammy because she's leagues ahead everyone else when it comes to lyrics, musical experimentation and vocals, i rest my case, bye 😂
tunnel is my favorite ldr album by a decent margin and the most deserving nominee in my opinion, but sos is also excellent and worthy of the title. I enjoyed guts and midnights a lot, but it doesn’t compare to tunnel and sos imo. Haven’t listened to the other nominees in full. I suspect sos will take the crown though just bc lana doesn’t have quite as large an appeal. still… tunnels is THE album of the year for me lol
i think that lana deserves album of the year, but i'm really rooting for olivia, so i hope that she gets. i am however rooting for lana in different categories
I feel like it’s between Tunnel and SOS. I feel like Taylor recently won with Folklore and she’s already won 3 times but who knows the Grammys love Taylor. Olivia is so young and definitely has potential to win later also Guts isn’t spawning the massive hit singles of Sour so I don’t know if they are going to give her album of the year. Why I think it’s between Lana and SZA is bc both them are the underdogs that the Grammys have snubbed before so they are going to wanna make up for there past snubs and give one of them the win. Which one of them idk but I’d be happy with either tbh. They might just snub them all and give it to like Jon Batiste or Boygenius.
This woman singlehandedly changed modern pop, it's about time she gets recognized
louder!!
AMEN
Its funny how Britney Spears and Lana Del Rey are single handedly responsible for revolutionising modern pop and yet are so criminally underrated in terms of recognition
so true!! Britney also robbed several times
@@theswiftologistToxic alone deserved two more Grammys at least
@@theswiftologist I was gagged to know she wasn't awarded VMA until piece of me.
She was the face of pop in the early 2000s.
thought this was abt LDR being a Britney stan, and also sampling the lyrics of Breathe on Me "Put your lips together and blow" which is also a Lauren Bacall quote
@@eden493and they were losing ratings before 2007, when they used Britney for their gain
Tunnel winning album of the year would make award show history. If she won it would show that the Grammys value artistry as much as popularity. Between A&W blowing up and Margaret making its way onto TikTok, I'd say Lana has quietly but greatly impacted the culture in 2023. She's also coming back into the public eye, which I love. It's about time Lana won a Grammy and one for Tunnel Under Ocean Boulevard would be well deserved!
let the light in is also really popular on social media
no one said it was her absolute best, but if you don’t understand it, that doesn’t make it bad
@24kgoldplatedvermeil of course it deserves to win, for one thing it's a better album than most of the other nominees (and yes, that include midnights), the only album that is on the same level of quality and popularity as Ocean blvd is SOS by SZA
@24kgoldplatedvermeillmfao
Yeaaah... I was just gonna say that! They (Grammy Acad.) view themselves unrealistically as some kind of nobility who doesn't have to explain themselves or their means, but in my humble opinion they are in crisis, and making a fair artistic choice would do themselves a massive favor in terms of winning us all back 💁🏻
Lana is on a whole different level than any other artist. The fact that the title of the album is a poem in and of itself is just genius. She is an artistic genius
period!
I love that she doesn't really care about the popularity of her music anymore. She's been experimenting, dropping singles like Venice Bitch that probably wouldn't make the charts, and making more personal music. She's def focusing on quality (and the more therapeutic aspects for her, like writing about her life and thru stream of conscious like journaling) than the success of her music in the charts.
Period
AMEN
Lana deserves at least one album of the year award. I hope this will be her year!!
BTD, NFR and Ultraviolence deserved to win Album of the Year. Period.
The fact that nfr won nothing blows my mind. Like that was a phenomenal album and it was later in her career, too, so she was a well-established artist with her musical influence already widely acknowledged. I can't believe she didn't even get alt aoty
Her mall dress was ICONIC. It looked great and it reflects her personality
it looked better than half of the expensive designer dresses a lot of guests wore that night
@@ericcckyYEAAAH
It went a long way to show *taste* is more important then paying a few k's to/getting sponsored by fancy designers to envelop you in some random ass crap that doesn't even suit you, I am so glad she did this 🥰😃
The way she says it, her facial expression, the fact the dress actually dresses her body, her chillness, I MEAN, URGH, a moment, a preach, everything, she's Barbie 😄💃🏻
oh it slayed
Besides Taylor, Lana is my ultimate queen. To deny her influence would be an outright lie. I liked Midnights, but I am hoping and praying it doesn't win AOTY. Compared to Lana, Olivia, and SZA's masterpieces, Midnights doesn't compete- especially compared to Taylor's other AOTY wins.
Taylor and Lana are Like ying and Yang when it comes to Album After The collab you can’t have one Without the other , I like love love love both artists ()
absolutely. i think midnights would have deserved aoty without these contenders, but not if lana is considered. in fact, i think it would only rest points from taylor's image, since her media presence has been overwhelming and her lobbying habits are well known. it wouldn't feel like an earned victory to the public, but rather a "bought" victory.
@@MoMo-rx4zr ...and what was Fearless???
Fearless, 1989, and folklore are Taylor’s Grammy wins. Does midnights thematically, culturally, and lyrically compare? I think those albums that won were complete shifts in genre and done so perfectly. Midnights, I don’t know, is not as “good” as those that won. I LOVE it, but I don’t think it should win AOTY
@@emilykate0835 exactly.. cleared her omg
I think she could DEFINITELY win the alternative categories, but I so badly want her to win one of the big categories. A&W really deserves Song of the Year imo, but Album of the Year would be very prestigious.
I would love song of the year
A&W literally lost to the worst song This Is Why in the alternative category. Grammy is embarrassing
@@Aki-hb1jy How did A&W not win that, it's literally the best song under that category 😭 And like no offense but This is why is soooo boring and stale.
Yes NFR so deserved AOTY or decade.. she deserves a lifetime achievement award for influencing all these young girls that all got Grammys BEFORE her!?!?!? Like that is TRAGIC…. We wouldn’t have a Billie or a Olivia without THE Lana. But we all know that Y&B deserved a Grammy, Oscar, GG, etc as one of the best soundtrack songs EVER that overshadowed the film…… & B2D deserved best new artist that year…..
it was a robbery....
Lana Del Rey is a timeless musician
oh absolutely
This albums impact on pop culture has actually been pretty big as well which I think bodes well for her Grammy campaign. She basically birthed the hair bow, soft feminine, coquette trend which has been massive on tik tok this year with let the light in and Margaret going viral as well. I’ve seen artists like Laufey who have blown up as well this year have similar aesthetics for her album as well. Lana’s cultural impact is actually insane and she does it without even trying
I hope so!!! hadn't even thought of the hair bow trend being a lana original but you're soooo right
is the point that you're trying to make that lana is not influential culturally @@GhostOfEvermore
@@GhostOfEvermore literally what are you talking about. Taylor swift is not influential in the way Lana is sorry ‘ghost of evermore’. I’ve literally seen visuals from laufey that are a straight rip from the ocean Blvd shoot, I’m not talking about who she claims her influence is. And you think it’s just a coincidence that in the year Lana wears a massive hair how on her album cover at the top of the year everyone starts wearing one? And no Lana’s style has nothing to do with Amy Winehouse, whose own style is a reference to the 50s and 60s. And she’s been dead for 13 years, how exactly did she reintroduce the hair bow in 2023? Lmao (those are rhetorical questions btw, feel free to hush up I don’t need to hear from you again)
@@GhostOfEvermore to say that the trend has "nothing to do with lana" is simply delusional, but I'm not surprised since swifties are known to be belligerent about other female artists getting their just praise. I'm gonna assume you're about 12 years old since clearly you think taylor swift is the pinnacle of artistry and just like her, you feel that no other female artist deserves their flowers, but i promise you the world doesn't revolve around taylor swift nor her capitalist exploits disguised as art. and just because laufey is a swifie that doesn't mean she didn't copy lana's aesthetic for her album lol, two things can be true at the same time. lana/lizzy has been an artist since before taylor debuted, and she isn't in the born to die era anymore, she's moved on and maybe you should too.
@@GhostOfEvermore concerning Lorde, i guess the argument is that the success of Pure Heroine (2013) followed the success of BTD (2012) in this alternative pop girl era, meaning the public was more responsive to Lorde because of the prolific debut that LDR had. i can't really attest to the amount of influence there, that's just what i've been hearing. i don't think anyone's actually saying Lorde was ever inspired by Lana, in fact she criticized her back then and they were lowkey feuding.
Crying through this whole thing. If someone didn’t love Lana before this video, I can’t see how they wouldn’t after. You do her such justice. ❤ you are brilliant
Lana singlehandedly changed pop music‘s landscape and inspired artists sonically and visually into the tiniest corners of different genres! the biggest artists on the planet and veteran artists even bow down for her! her not having a grammy is a joke at this point! and i really hope the gramms finally will give her her way overdue awards this year!
soooo overdue
Lana doesn’t want to whore herself out to the Grammy’s board of selectors, and I get it. Lana has always wanted to be recognized for her artistic depth. Not everyone is going to get it right away. It’s always frustrating to realize that her work is only celebrated a decade after release. I’ll take Lana how I can get her, though. All the best ones lost their minds, so she’s not going to change. She’s beautifully, and perfectly imperfect.
totally! she doesn't need a grammy, it won't help or hinder her artistic process. but it would be nice for her fans to see her get acknowledged, and deep down she would like it too
@@theswiftologist I’m not ashamed to admit that I want to see her carry off as many of those ridiculous awards as possible. Then maybe stick them in her garden next to a pink flamingo or something
She has been recognised by others tho, which is amazing! Like she's been named American songwriter of the century by Rolling Stone. It's just wild she can be acknowledged like that but somehow has never won a grammy lol
I think DYKTTATUOB is Lana´s most deserving album of Album Of The Year. In a way it feels like combination of all her previous eras combined into one amazing project. This album really shows her biggest strengths as songwriter, vocalist and artist in general. To me this feels like peak artistry moment. As years will go by i see this album having a big legacy moment just like Born To Die. I think SOS is kinda locked for winning AOTY this year, but i also think Grammys could only benefit with giving this award to Lana this year. If it was about me then DYKTTATUOB would be a clear winner this year.
Interesting! yes it's definitely an amalgamation of all her greatest strengths as an artist
Yes!!!!!!
It’s just such an incredible album and she’s criminally underrated
They had no idea that there was a tunnel under ocean boulevard 😭
they really said ˝Where?˝ lmao
if she gets snubbed AGAIN i think don’t think i’ll be okay mentally
I love her but trust me she will, don't have any great hopes.
It would be more beneficial for the Grammys to give Lana an award rather than for her to receive it. it would make history and bring a huge amount of attention to the award show. However, I don’t want this to happen. It would be DiCaprio 2016 moment that looked more like a consolation prize and felt anti climaxing…
I still can’t comprehend how Born To Die and Ultra violence didn’t win Grammys… 🤦♀️ When the Albums were so revolutionary and the Grammys still were truly culturally significant…
very true!
You expressed exactly how I feel about Lana in general, being a super fan of hers since 2012, the lack of promotion, visuals and videos for an album as tunnel is simply outrageous, it almost makes this amazing album forgettable in the public eye, as if she wants the album to go live forgotten under the tunnel 😂 her born to die, paradise and lust for life era shows that she can serve visuals if she wants too… but she just doesn’t 😢
I also once commented on Lana’s tunnel video “queen please don’t let this album go without beautiful videos” and got thousands of likes so clearly the fear of a lack of visuals is real in the fandom
so glad you enjoyed the video!! totally agree we need better visuals
It probably takes so much work that she doesn't really see as worth it. She's been snubbed so many times that at this point she probs doesn't want to put in all that effort for visuals just to be snubbed again
Lana del Rey is an artist of another age, like those singer song writes of the 60s. Because when it’s all said and done her influences and power will stand the test of time
her old Hollywood glamour is one of my favorite things about her
Completely agree this album needed more visuals besides the Candy Necklace video, which is stunning but not the song I would’ve chosen the only music video for. Tunnel or A&W having a video I think would’ve taken this era over the top. However I did appreciate all the different artwork and variants we got, definitely the most she’s done for a project and she served c*nt.
a tunnel video would've ended me
@@theswiftologistespecially A&W. I Will Stream it 24/7
I was very shocked that Lana worked with SYML using his beautiful piano track 'I wanted to leave' in Paris, Texas because it is a very emotional piece and the way she add something new make it feel a little more special to me ❤ i really hope she can finally win the grammy
Zach, I got hooked on your Taylor Swift content but what really keeps me here is your excellent writing! I started noticing it on your GUTS review and I can’t stop appreciating your turns of phrase now!
Hey Zach! - curious about your opinion on Ocean BLVD’s track listing! I’m aware it was theorized right from the get-go to be listed in the sequence of a “tunnel-like” experience, having The Grants, title track, and Sweet beginning the entry into the tunnel - turning point at around A&W/the interludes, the pitch-black dead centre being Kintsugi & Fingertips - slowly leading the listener through the other side of the tunnel until another turning point at Let the Light In/Margaret - and then finishing off more playful & light in Fishtail, Peppers, & Taco Truck, and VB being her triumphant victory lap.. I’ve seen the album through this lens since release and it honestly doesn’t even seem too farfetched, given Lana’s capabilities and visions.. I think it adds a lot to the artistic excellence of the album (despite not being confirmed, necessarily) and sets her apart from the other nominees in this aspect!! iconic vid as always, Lanaologist
I hope this will be her year, it's about time she gets recognized 💚
deserves
I think that she mentioned in an interview that she didn't know one has to submit to get a nomination!!!
I think he mentioned that in his video about ocean blvd he’ll probably go more in depth about that in this video
But the label knows that! This should always be done by the artist’s label.
Her label has submitted her historically. She didn’t know it was a thing but that doesn’t mean she wasn’t submitted before.
@@shilohgoes5544 This is true, because as far back as Paradise she’s been nominated in the smaller categories. She prob just doesn’t care that much to be involved in the submissions process lol
I’ve heard some of the songs from this album and really enjoyed them, as well as lightly and casually dabbling in Lana over the last decade, but this video has inspired me to listen to this album all the way through. Thanks as always for the thoughtful analysis, Zack!
YOU are The Lanaologist! Thank you for this. Any Lana video is worth the watch, especially coming from you! 😘💋
ocean boulevard is really good and it would be well deserved if it won aoty. that being said, i feel like the main reason i feel like lana deserves it is because nfr lost in 2020. also, the aoty category is so stacked this year. boygenius deserves it, but lana deserves it, but olivia deserves it, but sza deserves it too. taylor’s my favorite, but the only thing i can say for sure is that midnights shouldn’t win (endless summer vacation too lol).
Everybody deserves it but Taylor and Miley don't deserve it lol
ocean blvd really is aoty. even if nfr didn’t lose, i would still be rooting for her
I honestly hope Lana wins, well deserved. The Grammys should add an award for artists who's worked have shaped the music industry currently. So many artist don't get recognized but later artists who use their work as inspiration end up winning.
Definitely!!
beautiful vid as always. the way you get kintsugi and sweet is so brilliant. ocean blvd is such an important album to me and by far my fav of 2023 and if it finally got lana her overdue deserved aoty award i’d be so happy.
I love those two songs sm!!!
speak on it king!!@@theswiftologist
I am always here for Lanaologist!!
seated?
@@theswiftologist yes!!
Your Lana content is top notch! I hope we get to see more Lana content from you this year 😊
I hope so too!
this is my aoty, i loved hearing your thoughts on it. i hope she wins any of the categories i just wanna see her get up on that stage and get her flowers
Melodrama and NFR! losing AOTY were the exact moments that i knew Grammys don't mean shit. They reward artists work due to the level of favoritism and inmersion among the music industry more than the actual artistic value.
However, is great that Lana has never needed them to justify the quality of her work. She's one of the most acclaimed songwritters of our generation and she achieved that status on her own
I loved your commentary on Paris, Texas. I laughed out loud when I first heard it and she whispered “Texas”. Most Lana Del Rey thing ever.
she's so funny...and I feel like her humour is often missed
@@theswiftologist. Literally like when she named some of her songs “sad girl” and “pretty when you cry” back in 2014 with her known pale grunge tumblr fame was so funny to me
Ugh im loving these videos and so happy for Lana. P.s would love to see a video on your thoughts on Lana’s resurgence on tiktok by gen z.
Great idea!!
I am also a swiftie that also believes Lana deserves her flowers. Her album is great. 🎉
My favourite video of yours yet, Zach! You really are a gem - I love watching your analyses, especially when you dive into Lana’s discography!
thank you so much!! hopefully more lana content this year too
Lowkey she shaped pop culture for it to be what it is today she deserves to be recognized by the biggest award in music
agreed! period!
I would be very happy if Tunnel won, I will always be sad that NFR didn’t get it.
ROBBED!!!
The fact that BTD wasn't even nominated
it was the crime against humanity
C R I M I N A L
Love your videos❤ I always saw a direct connection between the song "Paris Texas" and the film with the same name 😊
You have such a beautiful way with words! Thank you for such a well put together overview.
Really enjoyed and hoping for the best for Lana.
Lana del rey... is inspiring me to be more human, in my business, in my situationships, my relationships.... THANK YOU FOR THIS ... this.. i learned so much more energetic strategy from this free youtube video,.. compared to like hundreds and hundreds of dollars i have invested in the coaching industry :")))) [and the classical music industry]
Your videos are always so well put together! No one does it like you. That’s why I always come back to listen to what you have to say every video unlike some other commentators.
Zach babe you are so good at what you do! Lana is my all time fav, and your 30 min essay abour this record made my heart soar. You made many good points I never really noticed
lana's influence on pop music is comparable to a silent revolution. if there was never a lana, there wouldve never been a billie, a lorde, or a melanie martinez. she brought that style of music into the zeitgeist, and i consider that enough of a cultural impact to warrant her being recognized by the grammys. its LONG overdue.
I love this idea!!!!
@@GhostOfEvermoresure, but it would be laughable to suggest that lana’s music is inspired by taylor (her sonic influences are very different, and where taylor is best at writing with accuracy and specificity, lana’s music not only reflects her personal life but the whole culture)
Lorde and Lana started in the same year, at least to get recognized or get lots of audience for Lana since she started way back. Lorde released her first EP back in 2012, she then later officially released it on March 2013. My point here is, there's a little influence that Lana influence Lorde or even inspired Lorde to get into music since they started in the mainstream almost in the same year.
Royals was literally a response to the opulence and visuals of Born to Die. She was watching Lana closely pre-Pure Heroine, and Lana still released BTD 10 months before the Love Club even came out. It's undeniable that Lana influenced Lorde.@@paduanicoc.7019
@@theswiftologistespecially now its SO obvious with Solar Power. Ik she worked with Jack so that would influence it, but so have many others and they still sound more...unique ig
Fingertips is my favourite song of hers ever at the moment (most likely will change) but that and A&W feel like the heart of tunnel
You always leave me so intrigued to listen to Lana whenever you talk about her! Great vid
18:19 Iwas born and raised in Long Beach, CA and I never knew about this tunnel until this album was released which makes this analogy so good.
i’ve dedicated myself to listening to each album nominated so i can properly formulate an opinion prior to the show… i started with ocean blvd because i was the most curious. this album had me so confused but feeling so interested and just….??? i’ve listened to a lot of it on repeat since. i haven’t listened to the rest of the nominations (aside from midnights ofc) but i have a hard time believing anything will live up to the way this album resonated with me. not a huge fan of the interludes & some of the tracks (margaret) i could maybe do without, but the album collectively is an EXPERIENCE and i would love to see lana get some credit for it.
If Lana doesn’t win SOTY or AOTY this time (after the painful snub of NFR) I don’t want her to win a single Grammy after that. (Grammy or No Grammy, Her artistry is going to speak for itself as it always has) but This is the last chance for Grammys to make up for all the times.
Did you know that there’s a tunnel under ocean blvd is so special because of the meaning connected to every song especially Margaret and a& w . I’m honestly so sad that she didn’t win any out of all five nominations. And that many artists won multiple awards for the same album/ song. I feel A&W should’ve won song of the year it explored topics like s a that makes all girls and women feel heard . She was so vulnerable in this album I’m so shocked she got like no recognition
still sad about her being overlooked _yet again_
this is such a great analysis! i even watched a second time with my sister so that we could discuss lol. lana is SO overdue for a grammy and it irritates me to this day that NFR didn’t win AOTY. NFR is my personal favorite album of all time, so i’m definitely biased, but i think that NFR is an absolute masterpiece and was pure genius on lana’s part. i agree with you that lana is always ahead of the time, which is why it seems that lana’s work is never appreciated like it should be until later on.
i would love for Ocean Boulevard to win AOTY and i think it is super deserving, but with such a stacked lineup, i’m not sure what’s going to end up happening. imo, A&W is the obvious choice for song of the year. there are lots of very commercially popular songs in the running, but none of them come close to the complexity, lyricism, adventurousness, production quality, etc. of A&W. if A&W wins, it will really show that the grammy’s actually do pick winners based on the merits that they claim to judge by, rather than just popularity / commercial success. it will be very telling in terms of the future direction that the Grammy’s is heading toward.
thanks for this video! it’s so interesting to hear different perspectives on this :)
Lana deserves this so much
Paris,Texas might also be a reference to the movie "Paris, Texas", who explores the themes like abusive relationships, loss of innocence, family/generational trauma, nostalgia and of course, the false American dream. I highly recommend this movie if you guys like this song and Lana's aesthetic and the subjects she writes about in general.
Yes!!!! I love that film so much I’ve always thought it’s a movie Lana would love
yesss I was thinking that too
@@theswiftologist Great minds bae 💗 Been loving the Patreon lately, Im so excited for Grammyology!!!!!!!!!
best video you’ve made so far 🥰
thank you!!
Ok, NFR is my favorite Lana album, she's one of my fav artists.... but I also get why Billie got AOTY, imo she deserved the award...
Yep Billie’s music was both different yet addictive and weird it introduced a completely new sound
her not knowing she has to submit is so lana del rey of her
its about god damn time lana was recognised for her artistry and genius
Lanaologist is back and I’m seated.
#3 album of the year for me. Behind The Rolling Stones' "Hackney Diamonds" (#2), Olivia Rodrigo "GUTS" (#1). I want "GUTS" to win Album Of The Year at the Grammys, but I'd be happy if Lana takes AOTY. It's a great album. Taylor Swift could also win. There's a lot of competition for AOTY this year.
Lana Winning a Grammy will mean more to her career than the other artists in the category
There will be no apology great enough to compensate for the loss of Nfr at the Grammys. I have never recovered.
My favorite version of the Ologist’s. It’s Lana’s turn!
You have a fantastic style, I felt like I was listening to an album review from Rolling Stone, one of those good, delicious reviews ❤
I need to check if you have any other videos on LDR album analysis, this was everything I've always loved about her but have never been able to articulate 😮
Glad you enjoyed it! Yes, I have three other videos like this on Lana: NFR, Ultraviolence, and Born to die
@@theswiftologist Absolutely checking them out! 🤩
Norman Fucking Rockwell is the best most cohesive album I've ever heard. Like I don't have a favorite song on that album because they're all amazing to me.
And not to compare to Taylor, she's still my favorite artist and still has my favorite songs.
But for an album NFR just hits different. God, when I first listened to it on a whim I was practicing painting and I felt so in the zone, in the clouds, so out of body experience. It was a shitty night but because of it made my night better and if I would sum it up; eargasm.
painting like lana in the f*ck it i love you video omg
NFR not winning AOTY is unbelievable. Ocean Boulevard and Lana deserve to win all the Grammys.
I’d be o happy if lana or Olivia take it home!! They are so deserved 👏 yay can take record or song for antihero
agreed!!
I really love your t-shirt 🥺🥺
I love Lana soooo much she doesn't need to win a scammy,but f**k it if she would I'd go crazy.The same with Taylor or Olivia.
The mall dress was such a moment
We need An Music Video Lana!
We need 1 or 2 or even 3! Especially A&W and Dykttatuob.
I really hope Lana wins. That album is so special to my boyfriend and I. Especially my 2 month old husky- who fell asleep to it every day. Also, i love Margaret even tho you didnt swiftologist. Lmao.
real ones remember when the video was titled: "Can Tunnel Under Ocean Blvd Break Lana Del Rey's Grammy Curse?"
I genuinely wish she would have gave us more visuals for this album. The music video for candy necklaces was beautiful but no rewatch value because of how the song keeps pausing, unlike the Ride music video.
yes we absolutely needed our classic glamorous lana back.....
It's been long ago since I tried to rationalize and make any sense of the Grammy's logic.😅it's fun hearing your theories
Lana at this point doesn't even need the recognition on the grammys. she's that girl💅
she is def that girl regardless
I mean… if we talk about popularity Lana was the 2nd most streamed female artist of 2023? Same goes for 2024. The Grammy’s definitely out of touch when it comes to artistry + popularity.
This video sums it all up perfectly
I really need lana to sweep all her categorys this year
popular opinion: not having a video for A&W (the most marketable single of them all) was a suicide for Ocean Blvd's campaign. It would have been a hit, it had a LOT of potential to go viral (in fact i saw a couple of tiktoks using the jimmy part). Candy Necklace was probably a good choice, but nothing was done to promote the video or the single. and it didn't have the same virality potential as A&W
well yes....speak on it.....
Lana doest care about what'll be a hit or go viral
Never listened to the album but still gonna watch all the way thru cuz of your review game
a compliment of the highest order.....
LANAOLOGIST IS BACK AND I’M HERE FOR IT
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I love Taylor but i hope she doesn't win album of the year. Midnight is one of my favorite Taylor albums but she already won so much this year. Let someone else have it too, Taylor.
I feel like Lana winning album of the year would be a nice curveball from the grammys
yes it is, absolutely! and Lana is the best artist in the last 20 years.
Omg, i didn‘t know when the Grammies are and for a moment I thought Lana already won😭 I hope she really does🙏
We all would beat our depression when Lana wins album of the year
I'm not unbiased by any means, i don't pray to God, i pray to Lana but she simply deserves that Grammy because she's leagues ahead everyone else when it comes to lyrics, musical experimentation and vocals, i rest my case, bye 😂
she def deserves
Why can’t y’all ever just enjoy her music without making these crazy statements 💀 somebody needs to listen to more music
I really hope ocean blvd wins lana deserves it and its a really good album
omg i had no idea you were at hyde park!! me too
Also, the 2nd half of A&W is almost directly taken from one of her demo songs "Earthquakes"
tunnel is my favorite ldr album by a decent margin and the most deserving nominee in my opinion, but sos is also excellent and worthy of the title. I enjoyed guts and midnights a lot, but it doesn’t compare to tunnel and sos imo. Haven’t listened to the other nominees in full. I suspect sos will take the crown though just bc lana doesn’t have quite as large an appeal.
still… tunnels is THE album of the year for me lol
sos and tunnel are definitely same caliber quality wise
Ocean blvd might be her best work yet
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i think that lana deserves album of the year, but i'm really rooting for olivia, so i hope that she gets. i am however rooting for lana in different categories
I feel like it’s between Tunnel and SOS. I feel like Taylor recently won with Folklore and she’s already won 3 times but who knows the Grammys love Taylor. Olivia is so young and definitely has potential to win later also Guts isn’t spawning the massive hit singles of Sour so I don’t know if they are going to give her album of the year. Why I think it’s between Lana and SZA is bc both them are the underdogs that the Grammys have snubbed before so they are going to wanna make up for there past snubs and give one of them the win. Which one of them idk but I’d be happy with either tbh. They might just snub them all and give it to like Jon Batiste or Boygenius.
I think the record has a much stronger chance than any of us would like to admit lol. Grammy voters love rock albums
boygenius slander is so boring :/