Thatcher vs. Paisley | 'Thatcher's Loyal Rebels' | This Week | 1981
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Ian Paisley is on the campaign trail again this time against Mrs Thatcher’s talk with Charles Haughey, the Irish prime Minister. He smells a plot to force Ulster Protestants into a United Ireland, and on his ‘Carson trail’ has been mobilising support on the streets. He’s now beginning to step up a campaign which many believe could bring about a confrontation with the British Army.
Peter Gill reports.
First shown: 09/04/1981
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I HAVE MADE A LEGITIMATE AND PEACEFUL REQUEST FOR CHEDDAR CHEESE AND PINEAPPLE ON A STICK
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Mrs Binfield! Mrs Binfield! Mrs Binfield
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Rev Ian Paisley. One of the main reasons behind the increased sales of earplugs in Ulster.
Thatcher v Paisley should have been a Sky Box Office fight
Paisley was too thick for Mrs T.
@@1526andrews Both were as thick as each other.
@@MrThecarebearImpossible. Paisley was Irish thick, that trumps English thick (or any other nationality thick for that matter), by miles.
Where’s the Paisley ‘never never’ Gif. I need it for when the Mrs wants to go shopping for head boards or curtain material again!
Happy wife, happy life, friend.
How things are changing the swings are not locked on Sunday any more
Did he ever get his cheddar cheese and pineapple on a stick from Thatcher ?
You vile hag ye shall be judged guilty!
Maybe not from her but he bagged one billion of them from Theresa May
I love of the Thames tv theme tune!
Right! Loved what you did at the justice dept
It has been my ringtone for over 6 years now.
@@mitchkeller5055 Lmao🤣😂
Always signaled that Benny Hill was about to air on local NY channels 9 or 11 when I was kid in the 70s.
Although he most likely would have been banned from the touchline on a number of match days, Ian Paisley would have made a great football manager. Just think about it.........
Never a Sunday kick off though
Actually, he really did miss his callling there!
He just wanted some chedder cheese and pinapple on a stick!
Whatever happened to Rev Houston McKelvey? Sounds like a wise man
He's still around. He's a fine man.
It must be confusing to be loyal to a country whose government you hate.
We didnt hate them, they didnt want us but were British nonetheless. If you consider we were fighting 2 countries as the smallest of both, and a large group of our country themselves considered themselves Irish, it shows how strong the Protestant people of Northern Ireland are as we are still here. British :)
Ulster Protestants are strange bunch hate against Irish Catholic and hate for English Protestant Anglicans.
@@RobertK1993 I'm an Ulster Protestant and I hate neither 🤔
@@RobertK1993 but funny thing no god man made nonsense but I am ulster person and I hope remains with uk as long Maj of people what IT
You're all paranoid.
Chained up the kids swings on Sundays 😂
8:43 If the 1973 consitional act delcared that the status of northern/north of ireland couldn't be change, unless the majority of people demanded it (same as the peace process now). Why didnt the cease fire started way back in the seventies?
Rev. McKelvey talking a pile of sense. Where is he now? Not a religion man myself but it recalls Matthew 5:46.
No, not exactly. You see, if you knew one thing about Protestant denominations in N. Ireland, you’d know McKelvey to be the 1980s surrection of what we now call political correctness. And why do you, as an irreligious, feel able to quote the Bible to everyone else?? Check yourself, really
@@seansweeney8911 A farmer is not a weatherman Sean, but he will 'feel able' nonetheless to talk about the weather. All I can tell from your comment is that I appeared to have annoyed you in some way but I'm not sure how.
@@gearoiddom That, Gary, makes the bold assumption that weather is a moral issue, which even in this country, it’s not. Religion, believe it or not, is. So, a farmer can speak on the weather, since it’s a harmless and very commercial thing, one that he does in fact understand, but an atheist shouldn’t feel comfortable to reject the Bible yet be emboldened to lay its verses at the feet of men like Paisley, who unlike McKelvey, are true Christians who subscribe to the Book in its entirety, not picking and choosing like you. Didn’t you watch the full video?? Spineless McKelvey won’t even back Protestants being able to *defend themselves from IRA attack! How can you paint a media savvy coward as a good Christian??
@@seansweeney8911 Do you ever comment on secular matters?
The party that Paisley founded is now under a bus,that proves that Westminster couldn't give a shit about the six counties. Paisley played on the fears of working class loyalists until he suddenly realised he couldn't after the GFA referendum.
6:06 "the stupid electorate of England". These words ring true nearly 40 years later.
someone praising AOC should really not point fingers
I met the man once, outside Belfast City Hall, several years prior to his death. He was Protestant, I am not, but he was very nice to me and welcomed me to Belfast.
He wasn’t quite the ogre that some made him out to be. He was proud of his allegiance to Britain, and I get that. Proud and principled.
Paisley held up peace in Ireland for years.
Kids enjoying a swing on a Sunday is offending God?!!!
gotta love religion! somehow people are blind to the fact that each and every god has multiple personalities. the nice happy preachy god. the evil horrible god. the completely equal to you but in a better than you way god. the giving god. the taking god. etc etc. theyre all about sacrifice. more so than giving and helping. what they do give is only so they can take it away again. just mean and schizo. youre allowed to be compassionate giving and caring for others without flogging yourself or needing to "donate" for it.. pay tax into a basket for it..basically dont need to purchase the rights to be a nice person. youre allowed to just do what they preach in between the floggings and fasting and sacrificing/killing/bleeding out animals. the best part is you have a lot more time to simply be a nice person when you dont spend all that time being convinced youre a bad person and need to spend a day or more to repent..and throw something in the basket. ;)
Chaining the swings seems like something Ned Flanders would do...
Are you a feinnian dick because CHILDREN don't understand what we do and we shouldn't be teaching them things like that! Or is it because that you need a cheek up from the neck up, they should have be free, I've got a 25 year old daughter, now I hope that I read that wrong, because you'll have more than the BILLY BOYS AT YOUR FRIGGIN DOOR
Gordon Seales Gordon yoor engliss is umazing
the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath... it is a day of rest for man, read a Bible you ignoramus
Loyalists are like the dinosaurs. ...a dying breed....
Well if you take into consideration that birds are the direct descendants of dinosaurs your comparison isn't really in your favour.
@@immortaltyrant2474 You're away with the birds.....
@@James-xn1oe Your days of dominance is over ..,.
@@James-xn1oe we'll see who's pitiful and weak on the 31st of October .....and no we've never been stronger and like it or not your time is almost up ,...the penny still hasn't dropped ....Britain couldn't give two fucks about you ...a huge financial drain on their economy ...they're propping you up and are sick to their back teeth of you ...
@@James-xn1oeI thought you were an Northern Ireland unionist ...so how I was "-jibing" at your national pride I don't know ...and your going on about things I wasn't even mentioning myself ....so tbh the last part of your piece is irrelevant I'd say ...
Oh the irony, when you look at this from 40 years on, with Unionists going along with a clear path to a united Ireland courtesy of Brexit. You couldn't write it.
The DUP have done more for republicanism than the IRA ever did.
Why do we want this though? A "united" Ireland will only cause more bloodshed. Let's just drink in peace for fuck's sake.
@@GeoffreyBronson It is the peoples democratic right to unite Ireland if they so wish. Partition was wrong in the first place people like doctor paisley preached about the consent principle when the numbers were in their favour now that them numbers are no longer on their side irish people will be threatened with violence if the unionists don't get their way. A united Ireland is a just cause if people vote democratically for it
@@GJ1607. I'm not sure I agree completely on that. If people wish to unite with Republic of Ireland then that wish should be respected. However I'm not sure it's fair to say that partition was wrong altogether.
There is a significant loyalist community in northern Ireland that were and still are opposed to union with the republic of Ireland. Thus it was right their wishes were respected and thus northern Ireland remained part of the UK. What I will give to you, is what parts were partitioned were wrong. Republican and catholic communities particularly in the southern part of northern ireland should've been allowed to join the republic of ireland.
Anyhow that was my 2 cents as it were. Have a great day mate 👍I hope I haven't pissed you off to much 😅
@@ethanvibritannia3993 You haven't pissed me off 😆. Partition was wrong as it was undemocratic the people were not asked for their opinion. Partition split Ireland in two to satisfy a minority on the island against the majority of the people of Ireland. The majority wanted independence from Britain which was their democratic right. northern Ireland is an artificial entity that never existed it was carved out of Ireland and gerrymandered to give a protestant majority in the six county's for unionism which they abused for 50 years and which helped to cause the troubles maybe if everyone was treated equally the troubles might not have happened.The problem i have is will they try to repartition our country again if they lose a border poll and carve out antrim and down the last two protestant majority county's. I hope not.
I can really see him turning the other cheek
Jerzy Feliks and then spinning around to clock you.
"and when you're in hell missus there will be " knawing knashing of teeth", "Mr Paisley, I don't have any teeth?" , "Teeth will be provided" ....
DUP rule, pubs, cinemas and swing parks closed on a Sunday.
What was that about home rule being Rome rule?
Closing cinemas I can't see Octopussy or A View A Kill fucking Paisley
Like saying you don't like cheese on toast but getting a croque monsieur
@@jammybizzle666 I'm a Welsh rarebit man and shall remain so! No suspenders!
There is no ‘DUP’ rule dumbass learn how northern Irish politics works
Horseshoe theory making more and more sense
Thatcher was well able for him.
Paisley complete header
Really ???? Predicted EVERYTHING that happened!!! The British government sold out to the IRA !!!
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@@aviationiceman9549 How did they sell out?
@@docall18 is that a real question?
@@aviationiceman9549 yep. NI is still in UK
It's not right to be laughing but I just start laughing when I see Paisley rambling and shouting like a mad man. He was some looper.
He was laughed at by the likes of you for some time and look what happened: Paisley proved right, vindicated, assumes the highest office in the land. Gerry Adams and co did their fair share of rambling too. I defy you to name one of Paisley’s statements that was untrue
Psychopath more like and even worst of it all even he would disapprove of the DUP sailing directly into disaster by voting for brexit
@@seansweeney8911 Gerry called him an arch demi god back when he was vice president of Sinn Fein. "How are they a different people" to the newsnight presenter.
@@seansweeney8911 Like, all of it? Paisley was really good at spitting hate.
@@seansweeney8911 I don't think "Catholics breed like rats" was true?
Thatcher vs Paisley?! Sometimes it’s hard to keep score as an American.
Well it’s really hard for Americans to understand anything ! Your country is in disarray and has been since it’s formation!
wfdix1 It's not you, nobody anywhere understands Ireland LOL it's a complete mass of contradictions.
@@aviationiceman9549 Yeah, and having Donald Trump as our "president" for four years didn't really help.
@@AFanOfCinema look what you have in charge now though LOL your country is entirely fcuked now!
@@04Redeemed If we can undo the damage caused by Trump and Ronald Reagan we might have a chance to pull through.
But yeah, after the pandemic is over I'm gonna pack my bags and get the fuck out of here. I'm sick of living in a country where gun lobbies have so much power that they deliberately make it easier for mass shootings to happen, especially since I'm stuck in a place called the Bible belt. No country in the world is perfect, I'm just done with this particular bullshit.
humorously unfortunate irony isn't it that Liam Neeson of Ballymena took inspiration to act from non other than Ian Paisley!
In a way it's akin to Elvis being inspired by African American singers who had denied Civil Rights, only the other way round. It's something that does happen in divided societies it seems. The Peace Process was a good time to reveal this historical irony and has meant that actors have taken up roles depicting both sides of the fence. Five Minutes of Heaven a classic example.
Ian Paisley was a Fierce Speaker!
He built the IRA and they would never touch him. He recruited conscripts better than any nationalist.
Fierce speaker but also a nasty piece of work. Look at the DUP now and you can see his legacy 🤮
Fiercely evil man
His mouth
got people killed .
The Rev Dr. Houston McKelvey has my respect.
A man of great faith and strength, where are his like today?
Mm in the end when he became NI First Minister (with McGuiness as DFM), he himself became more moderate. But his own DUP, like now in 2023, couldnt stand being with SF. Oh and heres an old NI joke (its on a wall in Whiteabbey and like the famous Free Derry one, it should be preserved). Someone had written on that Whiteabbey wall: NO POPE HERE!! And someone later wrote underneath (at personal risk) : LUCKY POPE!!
So this was what I missed on Season 1 of Orange Man Bad 😜
That is genius.Utterly underrated.
Chain the swings up on a Sunday....poor kids. Extremism has no part in a free society!
Walking the Garvachy road on a Sunday was perfectly OK. Calvinists are in the past,like this demagogue.
liam mellows1916 Both sides live in the past.
Reading now in 2020 during the pandemic lockdown. Quite right you are
What sort of pastor was that pastard!
Love Ireland and England ❤
Yes
our rights first Ulster no NI a money pit you own.
Paisley was at his core a preacher man rather than a politician. His great fear of a United Ireland was his abhorrence of Catholicism. He founded the DUP political party as a mouth piece for his free Presbyterian church. He hijacked the protestant community as unionists not for any political reason, but purely sectarian. He was deeply misguided as there has never been any sectarian violence against protestants or any other religion in the Republic of Ireland. His words and bile without doubt cost lives and many of them.
Tonyo1221 UP THE RA 🇮🇪✊🏻🇪🇭
Presbyterians are also suspicious of Church of Ireland.
@@kevinlynch9438 hooray for terrorists!
Ian Paisley like some Ulster Scots are hypocrites are no different to Irish Republican scum.
Hold on was Ian Paisley promoting violence that time
7:51 lol
I Like Ian Paisley he Was a Warrior for Protestant Christians ✝️
Christ, he was a loudmouth wasn't he?
Factual but sneering seems to be the reporting tactic here.
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This dude had balls and passion. Not sure whether any of it was to any betterment tho 🤔
How Christian of them, so filled with hate.
You should read the history of Ireland before you make ignorant comments.
That Protestant vicar is outstanding 😀
Outstanding a great IRA recruiting man he was .
He created his own church, the Free Presbyterian Church, because he felt the traditional Presbyterian Church was becoming too modern and liberal in the 1950s.
John King Most Presbyterians dislike Paisley.
I Remember go 2 rallies AT stromount1981 Ulster IS still IN UK.hopefully remain So Centuries to Come RIP big Ian Paisley
@@RobertK1993 perhaps
Here they are now...Morcombe and Wise
Police pulling back & letting people have church?!
Master Showman
I thought he was on the side of the British....what problem did he have with Thatcher?
He was raging because Thatcher had a bigger doot than him.
@Shield Liger Actually, I read somewhere Paisley didn't drink alcohol because of his religious beliefs.
@Shield Liger Yeah, when I was in college I took political science classes, and at one point did some research on the Troubles in Northern Ireland. That fact was in my textbook, but unsurprisingly more of a side note compared to the bombings and physical attacks.
What's his bloody problem.
Maggie didn't start the troubles.
That useless prick heath was there during the worst early years.
His problem was he thought That Thatcher would set a course for ireland to be united and he definitely didn't want that
Irish republican army freedom fighters not terrorism
Ulster doesn't belong to England
What kind of supposedly man of God could sprout such bile.
why is republic not in NATO?
Ulster is Irish long before the planters .
For God and for Ireland.
Where was God in Ireland when Ireland sided with Hitler and opted out of WW2? Or when Irish parents were for centuries, condemning their own raped daughters to Magdalene laundries, to a life of abuse, slavery and despair forever more?
I'd say Ireland was more linked to Satan.
Ian Paisley being sectarian bigot.
How is dr. Paisley “bigoted”???
@@nick-her9275 You listen hatred he said about Roman Catholics he one reason to the cause of the troubles.
@@nick-her9275
Educate yourself. He was a hate monger
@@RobertK1993 can anyone have a different opinion to you snowflakes ❄️ these days without being called a bigot?
Ireland...... Another example of colonialism gone wrong.... Partition in India...Partition in Ireland.... Well done England!! You should have left the Irish ppl alone and not installed British ppl into the north. During the famine the English stood by, they could have helped but chose to watch them starve.... shame on you.
Yes it's fumus or famine due to very weather 1846 until 1851
You would be far more impressive if you could learn to actually write in the English language. You might try complete sentences, learning what the various punctuation marks actually mean, and so on.
Every country has something to be ashamed of - England doesn’t have the monopoly on that. Are you just English bashing because, at the end of the day, the good they’ve done far outshines the bad. Tut, tut. Envy at its finest. Oh, and I think you’re mixing up England and the uk.
@@evansclan4eva49 "English bashing." Boodely friggin' hoo. My heart bleeds. The poor, poor English. Oh, they've been so abused. Yes, the Irish, the Jews and the English. Oh, the humanity.
And while no one is perfect, saying that "Every country has something to be ashamed of" is a morally idiotic false equivalency. The British colonial empire was wicked and evil. Period. Significant vestiges of it remain to this day. Not "every country" has something like this in its C.V.
And as to the "good outshin[ing] the bad:" While individual Englishmen have made precious contributions to post-Enlightenment Western civilization, other than the efforts against Communism and Nazism, in which the U.K. played a supporting role, strictly as a function of self-interest, nothing that Britain has ever done outside of the borders of England is remotely defensible. Not a single thing.
Joe Anonymous you’re writing in English, albeit pretentiously. As does a good majority of the world, albeit not pretentiously. You should be grateful for all the other stuff the uk nations discovered and shared. But you won’t. I still think it’s sour grapes.
an evil man
God's messenger on earth..
Ian Paisley...😊
I wonder was Molyneaux's boyfriend with him...lol
dutch billys demagogue
This old footage is record of the hate Ian Paisley peddled. He was evil personified and a prime example of a hypocrite. A megalomaniac who caused immeasurable heartache in the stolen 6 counties.
10:51 Young Conor McGregor
4:02 we can forgive sinners of their sin but what this man is saying is tantamount to rejecting Jesus as he threw the money changers from the temple. Jesus is Love but he is also righteous. If there is a sin He is quick to stomp it out. That's just who Jesus is.
Paisley should have been made a Lord.
He was, Lord Bannside.
@@georgeaye7535 his wife was given the Title Lady he only got his through her
Paisley was a poisonous man. Should have been in jail for incitement to hatred. His son is another convict.
Rest in peace, Reverend Ian Paisley.
"Peace" was hardly his strong point.
Ian paisley vs Margaret Thatcher
founder of unionism
a Dublin man
England see the unionist as irish and Irish see the unionist as english and know one wants the north it cost to much ... and paisley words we dont need the english or the Irish we can run it our self..
The Republic of Ireland is not now Catholic but in many ways anti Catholic, the north of Ireland was never protestant in the first place as the protestant churches were always and are still empty.
Paisley in the name of power for himself shared power with Martin McGuinness, a former commander of the IRA. Paisley got what he wanted in the end, POWER for himself.
In my experience, as somebody who was raised a fundies in the USA, many American conservatives are much more "dedicated" to the evangelical identity than "devoted" to the religion. Many of the ordinary conservatives I know smoke weed, sleep around and effectively don't believe anybody goes to hell.
I'd imagine there might be something like that in N.I.
The Republic is no longer Irish it's full of Africans even miss Ireland where is she from yes that's right Africa
@@mariewalker4010 Miss England & Ireland we’re both Africans. Neither were beautiful at all. Sad.
They were both the same in the end, traitors.
Love thy neighbour, Hate their pope.
Wtf did the Pope do to you .....?
@Jerry O Sullivan It's just a question....
@@michaelahern9883 fuck the pope
Paisley never did the former though moron.
Great man was paisley 💪🏻
IRA AND THE DUP
united ireland coming 😊
IN your siily dreams and be people Nightmare in Ulster United Kingdom Mr
Never in hell
Yeah that sounds good to me
Is united Ireland lke is land joint
No way WHAT about Eire join UK
We must always remember there's no border in Ireland it's a term that the Invaders use. Hopefully brexit will end the mystery of the border. Go home British soldier go home.
What in God's green earth does it mean to be a "moderate." In the US often times it means wimpery, you stand for nothing! Where are the moderate protestants with this islamic invasion in the UK? I guarantee Paisley wouldn't have taken it lying down. Now that the IRA and the Protestant volunteer groups are practically reduced to nothing, Belfast has turned into a crime hell hole. My granny for decades walked to church unharmed, not anymore. "Hooray" for moderacy!
I'm all for civility, but I refuse to trade my civility in for ignorance and compromise of principles. Paisley did not hate the Roman Catholic people, he hated the institution. Yes the institution that covered up all kinds of sexual scandals, money laundering scandals, genocide scandals like Croatia 1941-45; the IRA siding with Nazi Germany, Rwanda, etc.
Protestants are no saints either fact.
radical independent Paisley was an extreme Presbyterian Calvinist bigoted old coot.
You are sadly right . We lost so much when Billy Wright was murdered
No, he hates Catholics too.
The paramilitaries kept communities safe but at a cost of fear and intimidation but none of this shit that's going on these days would be tolerated
Fgau✋️✋️✋️🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Paisley was right in all he said
Accepting majority will be the end. When Scotland leaves the very term "loyalism" will have no meaning.
Rebuilding a dependent economy from a size that is 7% of the South will take a lot of humility.
@@fergal746 Scotland voted NO and we meant NO
THIS VIDEO IS JUST A BLATANT DISGUSTING ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT A GOOD CHRISTIAN MAN, DEFENDING HIS PEOPLE FROM A MURDER CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE ULSTER PROTESTANT CHRISTIANS
😂😂😂 “ a good Christian man” 😂😂 the man had hate as his middle name, he was such a bigot, but I believe he mellowed in his older years and accepted his nationalist neighbours.
Whats wrong with Ulster Protents being Irish ??
Ulster has a right to remain British.
Ulster? I assume you mean 6 of the nine counties. ....it only has a right once a majority support it. Truth is, people in GB don't like unionist must. Given enough time United Ireland will come........... Tik tok
No it doesn't. Times are changing and this minority is decreasing in numbers. England does not want to bankroll loyalists anymore.
@@rocarolan2003 Still British no surrender
It won’t
@@shaneryan9040 it will
Legend sir. GBNF Ian Paisley 🇬🇧💙🇬🇧
@Mike Rotch grow up you tool
Another sad and hapless episode in the history of the British empire, to the detriment of both sides in this conflict. As long as the English get what they want out of a country, they don't give a damn about the people. Its just the usual government/corporate power thing.
Do you think he still burning 🔥