You're very much free to break as many rules as you want if the result looks good. 👀 Botticelli's Venus has an unnaturally long neck, but if you don't notice that unless you're specifically looking for it, it means that the body as a whole looks good.
At the beginning of the video, you mentioned that the mistake is NOT making the eye line perpendicular to the center line. Then you explained in the two box example that due to vanishing point, the angle between the eye line and the center line is NOT 90 degrees unless the eye line is exactly at the horizon line. So if I understood it correctly, the eye line doesn’t always have to be at the horizon line? If so, then it doesn’t have to be perpendicular to the center line, but rather have the angle that the vanishing line where the eye line is at have with the centre line? Also, the green lines from the two box example confused me even more. How did you know where to draw them? Are they supposed to just be parallel to the horizon line and that’s it? Or they actually connect to the vanishing point?
What he means is that even tho on view it dosnt make 90 degrees, on true dimentions(idk if its called like that in english, but i mean if you saw the image from the front with no perspective) it does make 90, so you gotta transform those 90 degress into the equivalent of the perspective. And the green lines are just to show you how the perspective affects the lines, and those green lines represent a perpendicular line to the perpendicular of the horizon line(in short a parallel yes)
Ok so here’s what I think after spending too much time staring at this video. The eye line should be parallel to where you draw the box. If the box is at a 3/4 view, the eye line will not be parallel to the horizon. Vertical like are always at the same angle, so an angled eye line will not make a 90° angle with the vertical centerline
your comment confused me even more but here's what i think: When drawing in 1-point perspective, the center line of the face is NOT a 90° angle (not relative to the vanishing point) unless it is aligned with the horizon line. That's basically the entire video. The red lines are to represent the angle of the box and eyes, while the green line is to represent a straight line. That part was him explaining that not all straight lines are straight in a 1-point perspective
So they should be perpendicular - with respect to the perspective. Depending on the perspective this could mean the eye line can even be curved while being perpendicular
I don’t usually comment on videos, but please keep making them. They’ve been showing up on my feed, and pretty much every mistake I’ve made or am still making get covered. This is an incredible channel!
It's probably because it still is just a rough sketch to demonstrate the topic. Polishing this up would involve a bit more tweaks and nudges to really make it look better, but for now, this is enough to make an example.
I have studied plenty of perspective before, but this is the first video of yours that I've seen where I didn't actually understand the connection between what you were saying and what you were demonstrating
Please keep making videos in this format. the end result cutting back to the before result is a good way to put to attention the mistakes and how mucu better it looks corrected.
That has nothing to do with the perspective skewing the angle though. Youd still have to draw the curved line at an angle if there is a low/high horizon line.
I've been learning anime style illustrations for about 2 years now, and Ive learned techniques from many sources, like chyan's coloso course and studied my favorite artist's styles, but your shorts never fail to make me learn something new! Im always just mind blown with these small anatomy tips. Thanks
@@SafetyKitten woah thank you so much! It always a pleasant surprise to see someone that manages to stumble on my art though yt and comments about it :O
Fun fact, real people are generally less symmetrical than artistic representation because thr rules of creation do not submit to the rules of symmetry. 😊
Better learn from proper anatomy before you go on drawing people. Most people are symmetrical, especially the skeleton. I'd say learning the symmetrical way makes more sense here.
@@memeclips2122 anatomical symmetry is generally true, most people don't have one arm or leg longer than the other by any noticable amount. Hower, facial symmetry is considerably more rare as less than 5% of people have what is considered perfect facial symmetry, which is my point. As far as anatomical symmetry goes as consumer's of media we are conditioned to appreciate aesthetically symmetrical forms and therefore it's ok to draw people perfectly symmetrical. For drawing facial portraits, being true to the subjects form, whether symmetrical or not is absolutely preferred. You're both correct and incorrect simultaneously on the use of anatomical symmetry, amazing, Schrodinger's artist.
@joelferguson625 right, I do agree with you, I'm just saying for beginners I feel like it's better to learn and understand drawing from a symmetrical perspective before drawing more natural body structures like maybe 'slightly uneven face structures' and other stuff.
As a person who doesn't sketch at their beginning of their art practice, I see these tutorials are an absolute win for me in both digital and traditional
I would recommend beginners to use the loomis method for heads first then move on to the box cuz you could make your head look boxy unless thats a style you want go for it
Its all about confidence people usually make small lines because they don’t want to mess up but from my on point of view it’s just having the confidence in you hand to make the shape you need it just has to be bigger than little dashes on the screen try to find some that could work for you
I think I get it, cause the first eye line didn’t make sense with the face’s perspective? And the second one in comparison is placed anatomically better
I think having a different color for the original would be helpful, because it’s hard to tell the original from the corrected version when you draw on top of the old one with its opacity lowered.
You see my eyes aren't perfectly a lined so all of my self portraits don't have a 90 degree angle for the eyes but this a very good tip and well be using this tip
I've been drawing since 2009 and even visited art school so I'm technically ready to study anything art related, yet I didn't understand anything you were trying to say/show nor do I understand perspective lmfao.
I remember hearing that you understand topics better if you try to explain them to other people. I wonder if you're making these videos for yourself more than for us. It's a good thing 👍
It's important to remember that a horizon line should be relative to the "camera" and bisect the direction it is pointed. It's not where you necessarily put the actual horizon, unless the viewer is staring at the literal horizon. So the part of a character that crosses the horizon is where the camera is "looking".
I see webtoon artists do this quite often and it always gets me. Like "ah ah! That eye looks weird!" But still, don't blame them for not fixing every detail since their work is pretty difficult. Thank you for going over this btw! I'll definitely keep this in mind in the future when drawing. It always helps when someone points out and mistake and how to fix it so I'm not just left wondering why my drawing looks weird haha.
I like how he explains how to fix a mistake and then the skull of the character is humongous (anime, I know, but bald anime characters aren't this extreme even come on)
you're undoing so many bad habits from those dumb "how 2 draw anime" books I read as a child, having perspective and guide lines actually properly explained is so so so so helpful and they feel less scary
Happy to hear that! I remember those books too, they're really popular, but not that good. Thankfully nowadays there are a lot of animators and mangaka releasing their own books and those are actually really good.
what about foreshortening? the final face still looks weird, eye farther away should be slightly smaller, but in this picture it looks the same, warping the face
Ok but the nose is flat af. Noses are not flat and that low, most of the time lol just an artist input to another artist! Your stuff has made me correct my own as well so i appreciate it. Also im not one for criticism so i hope this didnt bother you too much. 😅 its always good to have others input even if it wasnt wanted with art sometimes. Not all the time, tho. Lmao
I’ve never done it this way. I think of the head as a ball with a jaw attached to the bottom of it. Draw two circles overlapping each other for the basic head size then figure out your head position. I use contour lines for the rest of it. Curved lines that wrap AROUND the head instead of going straight across in any direction. The human body has NO straight lines when it’s on a perspective. Study tons of references and trace the main points with a red pencil or digital monoline pen and stick to basic shapes ie circles, squares, triangles, ovals and rectangles. You’ll be able to figure out a lot more that way. Also when figuring out the eyes, draw eye sockets rather than eyes as you see on a normal person. Feel your own and draw on top of the reference in the same places you’d expect to feel the ridges. This will force you to learn where to place circles that you can then use as guidelines for eyes and eyelids and eyebrows. Drawing things from scratch without any guidelines is hard even for professionals so utilise them as the tool they are until you feel they don’t help you anymore.
its too late brother i already draw people and i dont understand perspective
Lol same
Revert to stickmen.
You're very much free to break as many rules as you want if the result looks good. 👀
Botticelli's Venus has an unnaturally long neck, but if you don't notice that unless you're specifically looking for it, it means that the body as a whole looks good.
@@vlc-cosplayerreal.
Lol same
At the beginning of the video, you mentioned that the mistake is NOT making the eye line perpendicular to the center line. Then you explained in the two box example that due to vanishing point, the angle between the eye line and the center line is NOT 90 degrees unless the eye line is exactly at the horizon line.
So if I understood it correctly, the eye line doesn’t always have to be at the horizon line? If so, then it doesn’t have to be perpendicular to the center line, but rather have the angle that the vanishing line where the eye line is at have with the centre line?
Also, the green lines from the two box example confused me even more. How did you know where to draw them? Are they supposed to just be parallel to the horizon line and that’s it? Or they actually connect to the vanishing point?
What he means is that even tho on view it dosnt make 90 degrees, on true dimentions(idk if its called like that in english, but i mean if you saw the image from the front with no perspective) it does make 90, so you gotta transform those 90 degress into the equivalent of the perspective. And the green lines are just to show you how the perspective affects the lines, and those green lines represent a perpendicular line to the perpendicular of the horizon line(in short a parallel yes)
Ok so here’s what I think after spending too much time staring at this video. The eye line should be parallel to where you draw the box. If the box is at a 3/4 view, the eye line will not be parallel to the horizon. Vertical like are always at the same angle, so an angled eye line will not make a 90° angle with the vertical centerline
your comment confused me even more but here's what i think:
When drawing in 1-point perspective, the center line of the face is NOT a 90° angle (not relative to the vanishing point) unless it is aligned with the horizon line. That's basically the entire video.
The red lines are to represent the angle of the box and eyes, while the green line is to represent a straight line. That part was him explaining that not all straight lines are straight in a 1-point perspective
@@tigretam9106"True dimensions" is called "isometric".
So they should be perpendicular - with respect to the perspective. Depending on the perspective this could mean the eye line can even be curved while being perpendicular
For those confused I highly recomend use real photo references so you can see this clearly
I don’t usually comment on videos, but please keep making them. They’ve been showing up on my feed, and pretty much every mistake I’ve made or am still making get covered. This is an incredible channel!
Thanks!
Ngl those eyes looked wrong even after fixing them
Seen enough of your videos to know you're not a bad artist, what happened with this one ?
the eyes are not the right size. youd expect a very small decrease in size, but there is none, in fact the farther one is larger
It's probably because it still is just a rough sketch to demonstrate the topic. Polishing this up would involve a bit more tweaks and nudges to really make it look better, but for now, this is enough to make an example.
My guess is the right eye is slightly more slanted than it should be?
Not an expert in anything though.
@@monodragonyea. Should’ve had more guidelines if he wanted to make it accurate (i would know lmao) the vanishing point would fix it.
Still makes no sense thanks tho
kinda fr, it like math plus art for me ;/ (my opinion)
I have studied plenty of perspective before, but this is the first video of yours that I've seen where I didn't actually understand the connection between what you were saying and what you were demonstrating
Holy this was
Eye opening
😭
👁️👄👁️
"study perspective before drawing people"
...
Me: 😊⁉️
Please keep making videos in this format. the end result cutting back to the before result is a good way to put to attention the mistakes and how mucu better it looks corrected.
I swear the original drawing looked normal a second ago
The only thing that was wrong was the nose. It was too low
Okay, ngl, this is helpful, but I just use simple curved lines for the face shape and its all good.
That has nothing to do with the perspective skewing the angle though. Youd still have to draw the curved line at an angle if there is a low/high horizon line.
I've been learning anime style illustrations for about 2 years now, and Ive learned techniques from many sources, like chyan's coloso course and studied my favorite artist's styles, but your shorts never fail to make me learn something new! Im always just mind blown with these small anatomy tips. Thanks
Glad my tips could help, thanks for watching!
2 years? wow, the stuff on your twitter is super impressive! good job man
@@SafetyKitten woah thank you so much! It always a pleasant surprise to see someone that manages to stumble on my art though yt and comments about it :O
Fun fact, real people are generally less symmetrical than artistic representation because thr rules of creation do not submit to the rules of symmetry. 😊
Better learn from proper anatomy before you go on drawing people.
Most people are symmetrical, especially the skeleton. I'd say learning the symmetrical way makes more sense here.
@@memeclips2122 anatomical symmetry is generally true, most people don't have one arm or leg longer than the other by any noticable amount.
Hower, facial symmetry is considerably more rare as less than 5% of people have what is considered perfect facial symmetry, which is my point.
As far as anatomical symmetry goes as consumer's of media we are conditioned to appreciate aesthetically symmetrical forms and therefore it's ok to draw people perfectly symmetrical.
For drawing facial portraits, being true to the subjects form, whether symmetrical or not is absolutely preferred.
You're both correct and incorrect simultaneously on the use of anatomical symmetry, amazing, Schrodinger's artist.
@joelferguson625 right, I do agree with you, I'm just saying for beginners I feel like it's better to learn and understand drawing from a symmetrical perspective before drawing more natural body structures like maybe 'slightly uneven face structures' and other stuff.
I don’t even doodle, let alone draw. Why do I keep watching these in their entirety?
i think this is a sign you should start drawing
A good teacher will get you interested in any subject!
It... still looks weird
Maybe bc the eyes are the same size
Nose and mouth way too low on the face. Eyes are okay
the way hes draw the person is highly stylized. I dont love it either bc it doesnt help beginners learn anatomy
As a person who doesn't sketch at their beginning of their art practice, I see these tutorials are an absolute win for me in both digital and traditional
Still confused
Yah didn't get this one neither xd
I will never understand your videos but will still like it cuz it makes sense
The loop is always like a jumpscare to me.
I just draw them several times until they look right. Then expand on it
But don't forget- follow your passion. Liking your subject matter is a huge motivator. Do both things.
At this point I just watch the whole thing to see the loop
Is it just me or i keep getting jumpscared at the end 🤔👍💀
This is my biggest problem when it comes to perspective
When the drawing tutorials get real
i just move the eyes up and down until it looks right lol
And now the problem is the fact that not all people have eyes that match this.
@@Saren_5 When drawing from a reference you do tend to have to notice such features.
Me making a mess by using every single indicating line while drawing the head
I would recommend beginners to use the loomis method for heads first then move on to the box cuz you could make your head look boxy unless thats a style you want go for it
finally at least he said something diffrent for ones
my art teacher taught me this, hes a real teacher
From weird to terrifying.
HOW ARE YOUR LINE SO SMOOTH WTF?
Its all about confidence people usually make small lines because they don’t want to mess up but from my on point of view it’s just having the confidence in you hand to make the shape you need it just has to be bigger than little dashes on the screen try to find some that could work for you
from what Ive learned, the distance between eyes is length of 1 eye
Ooooooo, so thats how you use those line
I have 0 talent for drawing but I keep watching your reels every time it shows on my feed.
Just do curved lines, then place the flat framing of the eyes angled acording to it
Thank you for this advice!!
I think I get it, cause the first eye line didn’t make sense with the face’s perspective? And the second one in comparison is placed anatomically better
Instead of learning perspective before learning to draw people, learn perspective because it helps you to draw people better!
You drew a 91° angle 🥲
Me when I literally trace over a drawing and it still looks like that first drawing 😮
I've been studying perspective but I still can't really do people 😔
Gotta rewatched it a couple of times before I understand what you mean.
I think this is something really common in the show death note. Very inconsistent charachter designs
You are so much better at art, and I could not possibly ever hope to be that good
I was drawing people before I figured out perspective. Still figuring out anatomy properly but your videos have helped a lot!
I think having a different color for the original would be helpful, because it’s hard to tell the original from the corrected version when you draw on top of the old one with its opacity lowered.
I actually have been drawing helldiver pov sorta things where ive been drawing scenery from the games. Its been a rlly fun way to practice perspective
My eyes don’t form a 90 degree angle 😂😮
I'm always amazed at how much better these drawings look after he fixes it how he explained
i love the jazz in the background it reminds me of portal2😊
not the persona character proportions 😭
I agree, learning perspectives help me so muchh to draw a living creature
You see my eyes aren't perfectly a lined so all of my self portraits don't have a 90 degree angle for the eyes but this a very good tip and well be using this tip
ts feels like geometry class 😭😭
Even if it's aligned to the horizon, your first example also passes. Heads can tilt, you know. Keep practicing.
2 seconds in : OMG ITS MADNESS COMBAT GRUNT
No wonder why it looks so weird when i do it
Me drawing anatomically inaccurate people calling it "an artistic choice"
I've been drawing since 2009 and even visited art school so I'm technically ready to study anything art related, yet I didn't understand anything you were trying to say/show nor do I understand perspective lmfao.
I'd say perspective is the most important thing when it comes to art, so I'd highly recommend looking into it
Why did I see Phineas and Ferb?
Love your advice it's helpful for me who is getting back into drawing after a couple of years
Im practicing drawing portraits and facial features. I saw your shorts and they're pretty good. Keep it up❤
Listen man I don't got enough layers for that 😅
I remember hearing that you understand topics better if you try to explain them to other people. I wonder if you're making these videos for yourself more than for us. It's a good thing 👍
Eyes are in better position but facial lines around neck and mouth don't looks very.. Good for me.I think something vent a little bit wrong here
Ngl, If it looks wrong, redo that part until it looks good
i hate when i finish the lines of a drawing and then learn its on the wrong layer, so i have to restart
It's important to remember that a horizon line should be relative to the "camera" and bisect the direction it is pointed. It's not where you necessarily put the actual horizon, unless the viewer is staring at the literal horizon. So the part of a character that crosses the horizon is where the camera is "looking".
I see webtoon artists do this quite often and it always gets me. Like "ah ah! That eye looks weird!"
But still, don't blame them for not fixing every detail since their work is pretty difficult.
Thank you for going over this btw! I'll definitely keep this in mind in the future when drawing. It always helps when someone points out and mistake and how to fix it so I'm not just left wondering why my drawing looks weird haha.
amazing, and thanks for the advice,
I like how he explains how to fix a mistake and then the skull of the character is humongous (anime, I know, but bald anime characters aren't this extreme even come on)
Omg the music is at least quoting clubpenguin ice fishing isn’t it? I’ve been wondering why I recognize the music in these videos lol
I think i get it now, but idk if I can apply this when I'm drawing mmmm
After seeing many shorts from this channel , im wondering if i am a mistake too 😂
You sound like my math teacher but if his wife didn’t divorce him
looks like I'm not the only one who didn't get it.
Jokes on you my eyes dont make a 90 degree corner
you're undoing so many bad habits from those dumb "how 2 draw anime" books I read as a child, having perspective and guide lines actually properly explained is so so so so helpful and they feel less scary
Happy to hear that! I remember those books too, they're really popular, but not that good. Thankfully nowadays there are a lot of animators and mangaka releasing their own books and those are actually really good.
Very useful, thanks, bro. ❤
*sees thumbnail*
Persona character
most people's faces aren't symmetrical, so if you're going for realism this isn't a must.
what about foreshortening? the final face still looks weird, eye farther away should be slightly smaller, but in this picture it looks the same, warping the face
Ok but the nose is flat af. Noses are not flat and that low, most of the time lol just an artist input to another artist! Your stuff has made me correct my own as well so i appreciate it. Also im not one for criticism so i hope this didnt bother you too much. 😅 its always good to have others input even if it wasnt wanted with art sometimes. Not all the time, tho. Lmao
Never ever kills the distance between nose and the mouth like he did in this video.
The eyes is social distancing
I’ve never done it this way. I think of the head as a ball with a jaw attached to the bottom of it. Draw two circles overlapping each other for the basic head size then figure out your head position. I use contour lines for the rest of it. Curved lines that wrap AROUND the head instead of going straight across in any direction. The human body has NO straight lines when it’s on a perspective. Study tons of references and trace the main points with a red pencil or digital monoline pen and stick to basic shapes ie circles, squares, triangles, ovals and rectangles. You’ll be able to figure out a lot more that way. Also when figuring out the eyes, draw eye sockets rather than eyes as you see on a normal person. Feel your own and draw on top of the reference in the same places you’d expect to feel the ridges. This will force you to learn where to place circles that you can then use as guidelines for eyes and eyelids and eyebrows. Drawing things from scratch without any guidelines is hard even for professionals so utilise them as the tool they are until you feel they don’t help you anymore.
How about for those who use curve line
Like me..
I could never do perspective with all those lines, too much visual noise for my brain
God I hate math…
초반 : 오...
중반 : 호오...
후반 : 음...
영상 다시시작 : 음?
im just gonna eyeball it
But....peoples eyes aren't always on a line, There are people with eyes that are skewed or uneven....
and i think the left right eye needs to be moved to the middle a little.
That's megamind
pls don't tell me im the only one who doesn't use perspective and just erase the things when it just looks wrong
It’s kinda funny I learned how to draw face and then from that I learned how to draw perspective