FFXIV Melee Comparison! Easy/Hard? Strong/Weak? Intense?
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- Monk, Dragoon, Ninja, Samurai or Reaper, which one would you like to be? I give my personal take on the good and the bad of each of the Melee jobs in FFXIV! I hope you will find it helpful or at least entertaining!
In case you were inspired to play any of the five melee DPS by this video, I have guides for both starters and high levels for each if you are interested!
Monk Starter: • FFXIV Endwalker Pugili...
Monk High Level: • FFXIV Monk Guide: Leve...
Samurai Starter: • Final Fantasy 14 Samur...
Samurai High Level: • FFXIV Samurai Guide: L...
Dragoon Starter: • Final Fantasy 14 Lance...
Dragoon High Level: • FFXIV Dragoon Guide: L...
Reaper Starter: • Final Fantasy 14 Reape...
Reaper High Level: • Final Fantasy 14 Reape...
Ninja Starter: • Final Fantasy 14 Rogue...
Ninja High Level: • FFXIV Ninja Guide: Lev...
Additionally, if words like GCD and oGCD, or lateweave confuses you, I have a guide on this subject too:
• Final Fantasy 14 Basic...
I also have a short on GCD and oGCD if you prefer the short version:
• Crucial Mechanics to M...
Music Used:
FFXIV: Shadowbringers - Neath Dark Waters
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:29 Ratings Glossary
00:40 Introducing Monk
00:57 Monks Rotation
01:56 Monks Burst
03:19 Monks Defensives
04:17 Introducing Samurai
04:42 Samurais Rotation
05:39 Samurais Loop and Burst
06:41 Samurais Defensives
07:29 Introducing Dragoon
07:55 Dragoons Rotation
08:33 Dragoons Optimization and Burst
10:10 Dragoons (lack of) Defensives
10:51 Introducing Reaper
11:19 Reapers Rotation
12:26 Reapers Optimization and Burst
14:10 Reapers Defensives
14:55 Introducing Ninja
15:36 Ninjas Rotation
16:01 Ninjas Burst
17:28 Ninjas Defensives
18:03 Summary and New Player Recommendations
19:31 Fun Fact - Hry
This guy is so calm. I just feel so.. at peace watching this video. What a beautiful world we live in
I misheard dragoon as memeing type
Well sometimes it isn't entirely inaccurate is it 😂
You didn't misheard
Great video! Really appreciate the break downs of all the rankings :-) Came here as a newbie melee, thinking of maining SAM now!! Thanks so much
Thank you so much! I hope you enjoy samurai! 😁
In case someone is dissuaded from playing Ninja due to the need to learn the Mudras, they are actually quite easy, you only need to remember the last Mudra used in the combo. For example, a two-mudra combo will always result in Katon if you end it with Ten. This means that Chi -> Ten and Jin -> Ten will both perform Katon. This way you only need to learn which Mudras use which ability if used last, so that's just 3 for two-part combos and another 3 for three-part combos, instead of having to learn every possibility :)
That is very true! It can still be intimidating when picking up the job at first even knowing this, but it does reduce the amount of things you have to remember a lot! 😁
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Yup, Ninja is pretty hard regardless, but I love the playstyle so much that I don't want others to miss out just because they didn't know about this. Also fantastic video, going to watch the other roles as well now :D
@@okayegg4597It's not so simple though, you need to know Suiton for trick attack, Huton, and even one fo the two-mudra ones that gets buffed into the shurikens
I play ninja ninja and when someone asked me whats the name of the mudras id be lost. I just know them by keybind memory 😅
I will always love playing Ninja. Weaving the Mudra combos is fun, as is the rather involved initial burst. I started playing with Dragoon and it is still a close second (mostly because of style :P), but NIN is what I fell in love with.
I agree! The mudras are just fun! 😄
Banging those pots is so much fun! I love that I can summon one of seven abilities just by calling out the right Mudras. Dropping two or three 650-pot Raitons on an enemy's head might not come with the visceral, satisfying sound of BLM's Foul or Xenoglossy, but my goodness, it's still a glory to take off that much of the foe's HP with every shot.
I really miss playing ninja, still haven't done so in EW after getting it to 90, but their burst looks so cool and is so much fun. It's just that getting scouting gear and aiming accessories is annoying, when I've been focused on SAM and MNK lately. Hopefully they'll add another fun dps that shares scouting gear in 7.0 or smth.
That being said, I'm happy to be enjoying melee jobs now, cuz other than NIN, I had only been focused on ranged and casters for DPS, up to 6.3, and melee just hits different once you've managed to master any given rotation, so I've been having a lot of fun trying them out.
Yeah it has not helped ninja recently either that it had a brutal bug since 6.3 that just recently got fixed that made its mudras weirdly inconsistent for a lot of players 😅 but them not sharing gear is one of the most common complaints and I understand that! 😊
I’m in love with this videos. Tysm!
Thank you so much! That makes me really happy to hear 😊
I keep coming back to this video, as well as the ranged and caster ones too, and am really struggling with finding a DPS job from any category that I feel passionately about or feel "at home" in.
I main SCH/AST/DRK and enjoy all these jobs very much. They feel natural and I enjoy the job fantasies very much and I feel comfortable and connected to the jobs.
I have most the dps jobs around 70-85ish (with the exception of MNK/RDM/MCH which I have no interest in) in the name of trying to find my dps "main" and I always feel unfulfilled, or like something is "off" while playing dps. I like many elements of DRG, RPR, and SMN but never feel "settled" playing them. Like an imposter wearing a very obvious costume.
Ive considered the possibility I might just be a die hard healer/tank main and find the dps role itself alienating? I love helping, I like feeling useful, I love the idea of being the person who keeps everyone up and strong - it's rewarding and feels good. Dps doesn't elicit the same feeling at all and I also don't really care for positionals.
Anyway, I realize this is a very long winded comment on an older video, I just have watched the trio of them like 10 times each begging for something to kind of "dawn" on me to help me pick on to stick with and never happens.
I hope Dawntrial brings a dps class I enjoy or the changes to DRG and pick that up.
Thanks for your Videos by the way. You're by far my favourite ffxiv content creator. Unbelievably valuable resource for the community. :)
There is nothing wrong with realizing that dps just isn't a role for you 😊
I have heard others that really enjoy support roles more say that red mage and dancer especially tend to fit that slot. 😊 So if you haven't already, you could give them a chance, or another chance. You can also choose not to of course!
Both of the jobs offer both offensive support, but particularly also offer flexible defensive support like healing, raising and more, which might make a tank / healer main feel more at home! 😁
Thank you so much for the kind words! It really makes me happy that the videos I make are so appreciated! 🥰
I hope you find the answer you seek in regards to dps jobs, but do remember that it is okay to simply not like playing dps jobs, so that is also an option! 😊
you should maybe try one of those jobs you have no interest in but with an open mind. u might be surprised. has happened to me multiple times in this game. never thought i ever wanted to play whm but one day i started opening my mind like “im not interested in whm… but what if?” and now i love it for its big beefy buttons lol. until then i was a NIN main, was bored if i wasnt allowed to press a lot of buttons. now theres been a domino effect causing me to grow towards simpler jobs. rpr, whm, war…
i was never interested in mnk either. the aesthetic and fantasy just didnt intrigue me much. until i realized how much you can do with that fantasy thanks to its wide variety of weapon models, not to mention the emperors new fists. and irt gameplay itself one of the things i rly like about mnk is it’s party wide healing buff feels *great* to push after a raidwide or when i notice the healers struggling. its a very potent “im helping :)” feeling which you initiated deliberately. personally it gives me a sense of control and influence i dont feel with the other melee jobs. i will sometimes feel the urge to run mnk JUST to press manta lol.
sometimes which jobs you enjoy can change just by slightly altering your perspective and sometimes you realize you dont know those jobs the way that you thought you did. thats how its been for me anyway. just something to think about…
Excellent, as usual. Keep up the good work with the videos
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it!😊
I really enjoyed levelling NIN, and it was very cool to mess around with at 90. But my ping just isn't happy with the mudras. It didn't happen often, but having that rabbit show up because the server didn't register my button presses correctly was a deep source of frustration every time it happened. DRG is a similar issue with its animation lock being worsened by ping. RPR in general is definitely the most user friendly over all from all perspectives. But I find SAM more fun lmao
MNK... MNK optimisation too big brain for me.
lmao that "... I guess" after the reasoning for the removal of kaiten. Perfect.
I'm glad there are a few options that still work even with a problematic ping 😊
Even with a great ping ninja is certainly a job where you can't panic because then it all just goes wrong!
I called it if they suddenly changed their minds and have a rework ready for DRG for January 😂
My favourite is Dragoon and Ninja! They are the easiest on my smoll brain... also really enjoy Samurai, but feels bad to play when you haven't played it in a while and forgot how to not drift your abilities 💀
I can also imagine samurai feels much more exciting in coordinated teams since more often you get rewarded for getting the rotation right! 😊
The openness combined with the bursts of ninja i also feel makes it easy to keep an overview of throughout a fight! 😁
I main Samurai, I feel like Ninja is so confusing, i cant remember the jutsu combo
DRG is my main melee job. I'm a little worried of its rework, like I was with PLD (my actual main job), but if it goes as well as it did with PLD , I think it will become better.
I personally love Monk the most because it's a fair challenge to learn, but rooted in fundamentals in a way I think only Dragoon matches. And when you master not only your onpener but the 2-2-3 ratio for the basic combos everything falls into place and you become extremely powerful. Then it's just a matter of working in ways to double weave in the things you apply and forget like Riddle of Fire/Wind, or time into raidwides to use Riddle of Earth + Mantra to reduce your damage and help the healers top everyone back up. I'm a bit weary about the Dragoon changes in the future, but if I'd ask for one thing is maybe one more charge of elusive jump so the job can be more flexible and give one new system that rewards mastering the basic combo. I remember listening in to Mr. Happy going over the jobs history and how Life of the Dragon used to be something you could sustain through a whole fight if you were good enough at the job. I'd really like to see that reincorporated because I think jobs like Monk nail the skill floor and skill ceiling well while still having just the right amount of room to be unique; a job can and should be both easy to start yet difficult to master (with a substantial reward for getting good at it). I enjoy the floor of Dragoon, but the ceiling could be more interesting or even last longer when your doing everything correctly (the animations for LotD and Stardiver however are amazing).
An extra charge on elusive jump does sound nice, and probably wouldn't hurt 😊 I always think I'd rather have an extra charge on jump! That would make the dragoon opener way more intuitive I believe, but would also make the job significantly easier to work with, whether it needs it or not 😅
-Shadowbringer spoilers-
I'm main drg since 5.4 and, really, trust me that you don't want to return the LotD timer. Most of the time, you don't even notice that is still there due you only have to keep doing your usual gcd (which you shouldn't have any trouble with that). The problem comes when there is a long downtime (even worse if has cutscene), your LotD will run out inevitably and, when the boss returns, you will be starting with another weak opener without eyes. There are some fights like Hades, WoL, Ruby, Emerald where that problem was present
What I mean with that is it was never difficult to maintain LotD, it will only run out if there is a situation out of your hands and that gave an unsatisfactory feeling to the player.
A challenge optimization that I agreed was lost with 6.0 is the buff changes, now almost everytime you want to delay your LotD, but in 5.x and before, you had to think about delaying or not depending on when your buffs will come again, that open some interestings ways to optimize job resources and most fights had it's own ways.
It's still really and more fun to play now with how busy it is at 2min, but I feel like it's a bit more braindead than before, I hope the rework will not be like smn tbh.
@@diegosalazar793 That's a good point about cutscenes and things outside of the players control ruining Lotd and I'm sure similar windows the devs expect players to keep track of. It makes me wonder if it'd be better if they would just freeze those types of timers for those scenarios and/or at least give a meditation like button to several jobs for those particular scenes where the player has control while the boss is untargetable to delay buffs from dropping (with obviously a limited time to do so and not being able to do anything else at the same time... rather than slide around in a Qui-gon Jinn sitting pose supposedly trying to keep your vibes from falling off).
Yeah, when I actually started working on monk and got the 2-2-3 ratio down, it quickly became a lot of fun! I doubt my ability to use it for high-end stuff due to my old PS4 sometimes having some lag spikes(It can barely handle Bozja if there are more than 24 players.)
If I could change just one thing about Dragoon, it would be to have Fang & Claw and Wheeling Thrust share the same button like Gunbreaker's Continuation. Call it Draconic Arsenal and have it change between Fang & Claw and Wheeling Thrust depending on which combo you do.
That is an interesting suggestion! Maybe they would do this one day if the devs feel the job has too many buttons!
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I don't think it does, but it would help me greatly with how my button setup is
While I don't recommend using macros for buttons that don't need it, and especially not for gcds due to how janky macros can be, you could actually try this out with a macro that casts both fang and claw, and wheeling thrust, due to them uniquely being unusable without their associated buff 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I honestly don't know how to use macros and I rather not so I don't screw anything up
@@GanRPG I am a dragoon main, saw your comment, and made / tested this macro if you are still interested:
/micon "Wheeling Thrust"
/merror off
/ac "Fang and Claw"
/ac "Fang and Claw"
/ac "Fang and Claw"
/ac "Fang and Claw"
/ac "Fang and Claw"
/ac "Fang and Claw"
/ac "Wheeling Thrust"
/ac "Wheeling Thrust"
/ac "Wheeling Thrust"
/ac "Wheeling Thrust"
/ac "Wheeling Thrust"
/ac "Wheeling Thrust"
/ac "Wheeling Thrust"
My favorite melee dos is Gunbraker
😉
Haha yes the tank disguised as a dps! 😄
Mines is drk
It's interesting to me, to see that the Monk and Ninja are similar in difficulties. Ninja is one of my favorites classes, and i love how involved i need to be for it to dish out proper damage... but monk just never felt right. It always felt clunky and unsatisfying to play, and the rotation is bleh. Even tried using the Road to 60-70-80 buff on alts over the years to force my way through it, and it was simply agonizing to play.
Now I mostly just play Reaper though. I still love my ninja, but the reaper does stupid amounts of damage with minimal effort.
Monk is really difficult, especially because it's "clunkiness" stems from the fact that it's rotation just doesn't mesh well with a strict burst sequence, and so you have to freestyle it kind of. Compared to ninja, or almost any other job, monk's approach to bursts and such are completely different 😊
I can totally understand your point, in my experience I started with this job so I never experienced the "standard" way of rotations like dragoon's etc, once I got perfect balance and masterful blitz everything clicked together... Once you get the flow of the job it becomes like a dance, it's just amazing. And the job is so straightforward yet so complex, I can never get bored of it and I always feel like I'm improving at it.❤
Love the video. What's the scythe you use on your rpr? Its absolutely beautiful.
Thank you!
I believe it is the Manderville scythe, the first step of the endwalker relic weapons! 😊
I used Dragoon from ARR to EndWlkr the jumps are just too fun. Lol
Playing a job because of the aesthetic or the feeling of using certain attacks like that is a great thing! Then as long as the job keeps that feature, you can keep playing it! 😊
Ninja is the way I roll! Maining it was the best choice I made, tons of fun!!
Thats the spirit! I do find Ninja super fun, I just also know that it does require a lot of time investment to really get it right! Love to hear the positivity Loco Suave!
This convinced me to play reaper as my 1st DPS. Thanks!
I'm glad you found it helpful! And I hope you enjoy learning Reaper! :D
Excellent video :> Bard from beta days, then Scholar, Ninja, BlackMage, now back to Bard as default for MSQ whilst dabbling in/re/learning other other jobs~
Thank you! That is certainly a long journey you've had! 😊 I hope new bard is different in a good way from how you remember it from beta days 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh So much has changed, though I do not miss juggling TP and mana for party buffs ^^; Also I enjoyed DarkKnight and is one of the jobs tinkering with though not mentioned~ Aside, I surely enjoy your depth and and approach to videos :>
Thank you so much! 😄
@@ryvyr Thats cool I started off as archer/bard too and then ninja and samurai and than back to bard
After my friend introduced me to this game, I fell in love with NIN's playstyle and the use of mudras/ninjutsu. Even after using SAM in 4.0 and sub with MCH in 5.0, I still go back to NIN. Its skill rotation in 6.0 makes the job more fun to use. Currently trying to learn MNK but it's still ways to go, with the level currently in 41
When I learned Vipers will share the same gear with Ninjas in Dawntrail, I'm more glad that I won't have to farm as much as before just to secure sub jobs in raids and stuff
I absolutely agree! As it stands right now, being a Ninja Main, especially in harder content, is a much bigger investment because you just can't as easily switch to any other job. Hopefully Viper can alleviate this by being a clear alternative! ^^
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Hoping for the same as well! Not to mention both of them use dual weapons, and I'm a sucker for anything with dual wielding
Im kinda glad my first job was NIN and kind of not, I love NIN, I believe starting on NIN with no prior MMO experience helped me become better faster, but now the issue is I really don't like playing anything else, I am omni 90 and every other job just felt way too slow, the only other job that I feel is remotely apm intensive is MCH, Im not a NIN one trick, I learned SAM, MCH, GNB but I don't really like playing those cause they dont feel as fulfilling in their bursts like NIN does. I also agree with the fact that Mug is better than Brotherhood, brotherhood and other AOE buffs can miss potentially, but mug is always going to be applied, unless there's a situation where you have multiple targets, which isn't unheard of
There is nothing wrong with having one true favorite job out of all of them 😊 it does sound like ninja just is the perfect match for you!
Dragoon will always be my favorite. It has such a fun rotation. Second tho is reaper lol... another fun job. I guess I like the easy dps xD I just like jumping lol. But I also started ffxiv as a bard and OOF ... that was interesting.
Hey it is very convenient if your favorite Melees are Dragoon and Reaper considering they share gear! 😁 It would've been much worse if your favorites were 2 different "types"!
And yikes while bard isn't brutally difficult, it is certainly a job where you can really mess it up good by using your songs wrong just once!
doesnt dragoon have the most positionals in the game at 4 ? unless its been changed
I think dragoon has 3 with chaotic spring, wheeling thrust and fang & claw. But out of a full 10 gcd loop, half of the gcds have positionals, which I am pretty sure is the highest of all jobs at the moment!
Leveld all except Monk now. Have to test out SAM at 90. Like big dmg but a lot of ogcd pressing and gauge monitoring.
Reaper is chill, also extreme is doable for me. Ninja liked in content I know. Still need to practice to not watch buttons during burst. Also need to optimize controller buttons for opener and 1 and 2 min bursts. DRG hate for strict rotation and ogcd weaving. Was my MSQ main. Think I'll try to practice Ninja more and a bit samurai. Also see if I like Monk. Think my Main melee dps will be either Reaper or ninja.
What I really love about reaper is that it's mellowness and sort of simplicity leaves tons of room to optimize for specific things easily! But I think ninja would actually be my own second pick too.
Oof, making controller setups sounds brutal for most of the melee dps jobs!
The way I got around the OCGD monitoring for SAM is setting up extra hotbars for it specifically in order of priority and grouping 60/120s ones together so it's glanceable. You do get used to it eventually though and find yourself looking less.
@@Scerttle thanks, that's a good idea. I git that tip with Bard too. A vertical big ogcd timer. Nice! So which ones do you put in. The 120 hissatsu one I guess, ikkishoten, Meikyo and then track stickers and kenki gauges? Or do you put Shoha there too?
@@CaetsuChaijiCh controller is not that bad. SMN and healers and tanks is easy. Except astro.
I started Bard and turned DRG at lvl 50 for HW MSQ. Then continued to 90. DRG on controller is good for the rotation, bad for the weaves. So I have a high level of jank tolerance, cause everything is an improvement to DRG.
Squintina from Akh Morning had good ShB controller setups and did a bit for RPR, SMN and SGE. It helped me set up similar skills in same places for easy job switching. Adapted everything to EW. Downside is that some openers are hard with the standard setup cause of having to double trigger tap (I have double cross hotbar setup; and for melee/ tank/caster aoe the L + R triggers).
@@Blazingbeard I just have the simple kenki gauge since it basically doubles as a shoha indicator too. Yea, Ikishoten and Senei are the big ones for me, along with Meikyo. Ikishoten especially since it's technically a buff button.
Melee jobs aren't my favorite to play, but when I do have to go as one I tend to go for either Reaper or Samurai. I just like their esthetics and play style.
I get that! Those are actually also my go to melee jobs 😄
Me a dancer and an ast main using this vid not to play melee dps but to see which one I should be buffing
Wait DRG is getting a rework? That's awesome to hear! Seeing as how I've been a DRG main since I started
Yes! Some time early in endwalker it was announced that it would be receiving changes, and then later it was announced that the amount of changes made it only fitting to add with an expansion release so it has been postponed until then (unless the devs change their minds!)
@@CaetsuChaijiCh They already ridiculously oversimplified Dragoon, this scares me.
@@AzureRoxe Hopefully whatever they choose to do makes it more interesting rather than less, then! 😊
@@AzureRoxe Same here friend. Ain’t nothin’ we can do about it besides enjoy if for now… and level other jobs in case of a train wreck lol.
I just want stardiver to have 1,000 potency. It feels bad knowing my "Big hit" is 650...
Thank you for putting Mnk as the first class in the vid, it's still my favorite since ShB b/c it's fast and old positionals / combos gave it a fighter feel, and it's got a simple but hard to master rotation. It's also got nice defensives and raid utility.
Plus Thunderclap is one of the best movement abilities, just behind En Avant and Shukuchi.
When the timing of its 1-min or party buffs and Phantom Rush combo lines up just right... Perfection
Few things I'd wish for Mnk is for Riddle of Wind to give a 1.5 gcd phase like Rpr / Mch, another ogcd like Forbidden Chakra, a new animation for buffed Bootshine like Drg's Raiden Thrust, maybe give 1st form positionals back for a bit more complexity and boom
All the melees are pretty fun tho, love that their playstyles can suit different players
Those are some interesting ideas to add to the job! You know, I really like the idea of making Riddle of Wind more interactive than just giving you more auto attacks! I have heard a lot of monks wish to be able to contain more than 5 Chakra stacks so that they don't lose out on any during Brotherhood for example. You know so you could hold like 10 but still spend 5 at a time!
Bootshine getting an alternative animation, and maybe also Icon like Raiden Thrust might be helpful to make it easier to keep an overview of when you have Leaden Fist without eyeing the buff itself. Similarly, if True Strike changed into something else when you have Disciplined Fist from Twin Snakes, that could give a similar feel. But as I don't main Monk, I can't say what a monk main would find most interesting or useful! ^^
Thank you for sharing, Dnawulf!
@Caetsu Chaiji Ch. Actually, those are awesome ideas! Holding more than 5 Chakra stacks for a harder hit or etc and alternate Bootshine / True Shine sounds amazing. Anything that adds more interest to the loop, like Drg.
What's the Glamour you used in Reaper introdution?
If you mean the scary dark robes she changes into in the introduction, that is of course the outfit all characters wear when affected by the Enshroud effect. 😊
If you meant the pink outfit before that, then it is this:
Weapon: Manderville Scythe (Cherry Pink Dye)
Head: Classic Spectacles (No dye)
Body: Replica High Allagan Cuirass of Maiming (Cherry Pink Dye)
Hands: Replica High Allagan Gauntlets of Maiming (Cherry Pink Dye)
Legs: Isle Farmhand's Cutoffs (Cherry Pink Dye)
Feet: Replica Allagan Sollerets of Maiming (Cherry Pink Dye)
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Ah ok thank, I'm new so i thought its a glamour you can use normaly :D
I totally understand! There might exist pieces you can put together to get a similar look, but I wouldn't know where to start 😊
I’m honestly struggling coming back to the game and playing Reaper after moving over from the much more forgive Red Mage rotation. I have died more in the last few dungeons than I ever did on RDM lol
Melee jobs are certainly difficult in their own ways compared to ranged, and with RDM especially, who can even help healing themselves in a tough spot 😅
It takes practice to know what's safe as a melee, so don't worry too much about it, you'll get there!
This scares me as a RDM main. I've only played BLM to 55 and RDM to 90, so I feel like the switch to melee is going to be a struggle haha
@@Fhalei Well, amongst the melee jobs, Reaper is absolutely the easiest to get to grips with if you are moving from a Mage position:
* Reaper has the least Positional attacks.
* Reaper has the most readily available regular healing in Arcane Crest
* Reaper has the best Filler ranged attack of all the melees
And most importantly
* Reaper has the slowest rotation of the five Melees, so it is the most friendly to someone new to the job or role, as you have more time to think about your steps! 😊
Once I got the hang of doing the Mudras, Ninja became my favorite melee job. Bang those pots, bang them until all the baddies are facedown on the ground! I like that it can help the team with Mug and Trick Attack, but the Ninjutsu is my favorite element, even if I still summon bunnies once in a while. The key to Ninjutsu is knowing that only the last Mudra and the number of Mudras used matters. There are eventually seven; a shuriken attack for any one Mudra, then three different attacks using two Mudras, and three more that need all three Mudras. Learn the last Mudra you need for the two- and three-Mudra attacks, and you will be golden with Ninja.
Indeed, one of the biggest hurdles to get over to get into Ninja is the whole Mudra thing, since no other job requires you to memorize sequences in that particular way!
Trick attack doesn't increase the damage of group members, only Mug does^^
Monk and Samurai my favorite jobs and also my favorite hobbies. I am a karate Instructor and I take Kendo!!!!
That is very cool! And that makes sense with your interests! 😄
Would you recommend Samurai after Reaper as second easiest dps to play? What do you think?
Samurai spikes quite hard in difficulty if you try to optimize, but if that is not your aim, then samurai is a good choice 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I'm kinda stuck between samurai and dragoon, but if I understand it correctly then samurai should be a little easier than dragoon.
@@kiakill16 Personally I find samurai a lot easier than Dragoon, but it sometimes depends on the person!
All you need to know for the monk is this, mantra for healers when tank is getting overwhelmed, dragon kick & twin snakes then repeat twin snakes after dragon kick for damage buff, I call it the easy mode for monk.
Dont forget to use second wind if you feel like you need it to make the healer focus on the tank & other party members before you.
It can either be tireing on your hands or more manageable for long playing times.
For me after I play this game since Heavensward came out DRG is the striaght forward melee DPS it might seem too many botton to press or a long combo but it always the same botton over and over compare to MNK which the GCD is about 1.98 you need to think fast and when you press Brotherhood in raid oh boy if you are new you might f*** up
Yeah this makes sense. Dragoon is far more straightforward to me than Monk too, since it is almost like the GCD part and the oGCD part is 2 separate things you have to manage. The only real connection being Life Surge and Wyrmwind Thrust!
I have a love/hate opinion when it comes to Samurai, they uses chudan no kamae stance, yet the carry the sword like it was a very heavy weapon.
For me The most realistic would be kasumi no kamae(kinda like drk stance) combined with reaper running.
When it comes to dmg thats where sam rocks tho
I suppose they mightve chosen a different stance to make the job stand out from drk by having them distinct from each other 😊
Now I understand why Reaper is so popular.
I will eventually level them all but I think I will either stick with Reaper or SAM as melee endgame.
Those are some good options as well, I hope you enjoy whichever you choose! 😁
@@CaetsuChaijiCh There are so many fun choices but the melee dps specs seem to be really designed around combo-ing with a controller instead of a keyboard.
Just thinking of Shift-modifiers for buttons on a main rotation is scary
used to play ninja when it first came out and loved it, then my pc died so havent played in a few years. now playing on my xbox and reaper looks rlly cool, untill i can try it out myself im maining SAM and ninja with samurai being my new favorite i must say. ninja got a bit too hectic for some reason lol
Glad to hear you are enjoying the jobs!
Ninja has been changed a bit over the years, but not that much! I think the big thing is their jutsus being moved from being abilities, to being (functionally) like "spells" and weaponskills. This means you used to have to weave them between attacks which just wasn't reliable 😅
So monk is so technical that you have to consider frame rates? What happens if you don't? Party wipe?
Nah nothing so disastrous of course! It simply means you lose out on damage you could have done. As I mentioned in the video, it is only for when you are trying to optimize!
The common example used is that when you issue an action to be used, the came will attempt to do it on the next frame that it is possible. So if you play on 60 FPS, then use something like Bootshine, and your Recast Timer is, say, 1.94. Then on frame 116 after you used the action will be 1.9333 meaning you can't use any weaponskills yet, but frame 117 will be 1.95, meaning that you completely missed that 0.01 second of opportunity between 1.94 and 1.95. If your recast timer is instead 1.93 or 1.95, you simply haven't wasted any Skillspeed on something you wouldn't be able to utilize anyway.
I know it doesn't sound like a lot, but thats how min-maxing works of course, and over the course of a 10 minute fight, missing out on 0.01 seconds every 2 seconds or so adds up! For the case of the example, you'd lose out on about 2 weaponskills over such a long fight, which again sounds overkill. But we are talking about optimization ^^
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Thanks for the explanation. I'm trying to understand why it seems like so many people are so focused on optimization, because right now it feels like it just sucks all the fun out of the game.
I want to get into more challenging content, but if it requires this kind of optimization, it just doesn't sound fun. I wonder if it's the enrage timers that are forcing players to stress so much about burst windows and perfecting rotations.
Story mode and hard modes are just so dang easy, and the next step is these savage & extreme instances that people obsess with optimization. Every conversation about a class or job ends up in optimization.
I'm still going to try harder content here soon and hope I'm misunderstanding. Really love this game, but my lack of experience with savage+ and videos like this make it really difficult to understand how it could possibly be fun.
But I know I'm wrong, because obviously many many people love this type of game activity. I just need to try it.
Thanks for the video!
Aah I see! Alright in that case you should know that a large part of why savage raiders are so obsessed with optimization is because of DPS meters and logs and such (DPS meters are officially illegal according to the ToS so use at your own risk). People want to have the best parse on a log (meaning the highest DPS performance on a specific fight), and part of that both requires them to play perfectly, but also their team to play perfectly. In other words, its not because they HAVE to play perfectly to win, its because they want to win better than anyone else won ^^
But your average group mostly cares about playing well enough to beat the boss, and this part about FPS optimization is simply a matter of how much skillspeed you want on your gear as a monk, and is a somewhat minor thing overall. Simply add one or a few extra skillspeed materia to your gear if you play on 60 FPS and find yourself on 1.94, and then that problem is solved! The monk community in particular I have also noticed are especially excessive in their optimization, which is why this FPS optimization is kind of funny!
But genuinely, if you progress through the savage raid tier at a normal pace, you will get the gear necessary to beat the next boss' enrage timer without going completely overboard with optimization anyway!
I have a video on this specific subject where I analyze the previous raid tier to demonstrate that you do not have to be a super mega optimizer to play. I have heard many people found it very reassuring and motivating!
Here is a link: czcams.com/video/jhbzZ4F-LxI/video.html
if you frame cap at 60fps then use 1.94 BiS, if not then use 1.93 BiS , as easy as that , the dps loss is very negligible , unless you're trying to get a 100. theres also 3rd party tools that help with frames but i dont condone that
It should be clarified that if you play exactly at 60 fps you want 1.93, Enrique, I think you may have switched things around 😊 but you are correct that the dps loss is very small overall!
My favorite melee DPS is RDM.
The magical melee dps!.. At least part time! 😄
I am the person that started the game and found monk interesting. I will have a hell of a time learning and perfecting aparently.
If you enjoy mastering a job with a lot of depth, then Monk certainly is a great choice! Just remember if you start to feel that it gets a bit overwhelming, that there are many jobs in the game, and they all (mostly) play very differently, so you can try something else if Monk becomes too much! 😁
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I like it so far but it will take a bit to get the 2-2-3 rotation down
Also Thanks!
How do tou reach all the way to 9 on your keyboard
I use a Corsair Scimitar MMO mouse (not sponsored) with a certain layout 😊 I explain this a bit in this video: czcams.com/video/vi9f36t-Qrc/video.html
It is a good question because it isn't very obvious how you would do this otherwise 😁
Thank you I've been looking for a way to bind keys better than doing qerfg
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I brought the mouse and it is exceptionally better than what I was doing before. I little heavy but thank you it really helps
I'm glad to hear that! Yeah it is a bit large! 😅
im more used to it now makes healing so much easier on astro imo
monk is my favorite melee due to how few ogcds it has, it has a higher focus on gcds. ninja is a close second though despite how ogcd heavy its bursts are due to the freedom it has during burst vs dragoon where both its gcds and ogcds are rigid in how they're executed, not a fan
That is very interesting! I can see how dragoon wouldn't be super fun in that case yeah 😅 thank you for sharing! 😊
I like monk because its classic press the button do the thing job. None of this OGCD weaving stuff.
It is interesting how monk and dragoon contrast each other in that particular aspect 😊 I can understand why you would prefer monk for that specifically!
I think those classes that use books and cards and stuff are somehow more anime than samurai and ninja. Just the battle stance in general
I suppose it gets a bit anime when you have to have a ferocious battle stance with a book! 😂
I really want to try this game but I've never played a MMO and all these systems are kinda intimidating tbh.. I don't understand the combos and what attacks have to lead to other attacks and which attacks give you certain buffs and if you use the wrong attack in a combo you could fuck up the whole situation... All that is just...
Just give it a try friend you have nothing to lose
Don't worry too much about all this Kyle! I want you to know that these Role Comparison videos I have put out focus on the jobs at their highest level, meaning that they have a massive amount of actions!
When you start, you have far less to work with, and things get introduced gradually.
If you want some guidance on the classes/jobs you can start as, I actually have a guide specifically designed to help you choose your first job, as some of them are far easier to start with than others: czcams.com/video/fKcci2-mMyY/video.html
But as Alan Rodier said, you can always try it - The first many dungeons in the game actually offers NPC companions so you can learn without worrying about "failing other players", although, the community is extremely welcoming to new players so you shouldn't need to worry about this anyway!
Only unfortunate thing about monk is that there are no good looking monk weapons. I legit always have to use the emperor's new fist
I think there are a few cool ones, but I don't glam enough to know them by name 😅 emperors new fist is pretty cool in its own way too!
Also, I feel there are quite a lot of silly weapons for monks somehow! But I get what you mean!
Where are my reaper mains? ❤
It’s actually crazy going from a level 70 Dark Knight to a level 70 Reaper and feeling so damn confused, thinking to myself that reaper is crazy complex, then seeing that every video about reaper describes them as easy, simple and slow lmao.
I have a journey ahead of me. Doesn’t help that Reaper is my first DPS after being a tank from the beginning
Tanks tend to have a somewhat simpler rotation than DPS jobs, to compensate for how they also need to deal with tanking and things like that.
As DPS don't have those kinds of responsibilities, their rotations tend to be more complex as a starting point.
Also, part of the confusion in starting a DPS at level 70 means that you will need to learn all of the aspects that are normally introduced gradually as you level up, all at once!
I would recommend doing some lower level dungeons (for example) where the toolkit is a bit simpler to get you into how the job works, as the toolkit gradually grows as you do higher level content. 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh As someone who mains SMN and only started considering using their SCH outside of the job quests much later on, I feel this so much!😁
NIN 100% but thats what i started with
Hey sometimes you find the favorite the first time 😁
As a reaper main who plays all melees (except dragoon on a mastery level) i feel like samurai is by far the easiest to master followed by reaper. Reaper is an easy entry but on a mastery level its not as easy as everyone makes it out to be. Reaper's filler is what makes the job easy and probably the best for a new player.
My tier list from hard to easy:
Monk
Ninja
Dragoon
Reaper
Samurai
Ninja and dragoon may be swapped since i havent really "mastered" dragoon or played it enough to rank it but from what i have played this is my ranking
i used to main sam, at first i learned it only because hissatsu kaiten was pretty cool skill for sam and i learn the heck of it even going as far using it for completing savage raid. Now my boy hissatsu kaiten was gone, i change my main to rpr. But i never forget my first love lol
We will forever mourn Hissatsu: Kaiten, it was such a cool and neat feature of the Samurai!
Man I hope they tweak MNK a bit for 7.0
Fix the clunky Forbidden Chakra, let us hold more than 5 stacks...
Tweak Anatman, make it like boost from ffxi, next ws does x amount of dmg depending how long you charge anatman.
Tweak thunder clap, make it so you can use it outside of battle.
Buff RoW, add a huton effect to the duration
Give us a gcd range attack
Change the color of the bootshine and twin snake buffs. They look to similar
Also another ogcd aoe would be nice.
And othet things lol. But I'll stfu.
Great video btw😊
Thank you!
I'm pretty sure thunder clap can be used outside of combat? 🤔
Aside from that most of those ideas sound great! If row did something like that it would certainly be a lot more interesting to use as well! 😊
@CaetsuChaijiCh Not like Shukuchi unfortunately 😕
Yeah it's not exactly as widely applicable! Personally I find thunderclap a bit easier to use in a flash while in combat 😊
@CaetsuChaijiCh I feel you. I usually have certain macros for Shukuchi so it feels like thunderclap in battle
Still miss Kaiten.
An F for Hissatsu: Kaiten! If we could even just have an emote to perform the animation, that would at least allow us to pretend we still have it!
Me ungabunga, me swing scythe see flash, with big numbers.
Why do many small swings when big bonk do trick?! 😄
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Me no think it dat way...hmm...
i love your voice, please read me bedtime storys :>
Thank you so much! 😊
That is very sweet! ☺️
*Mnk 30.5/35*
*Nin 29.5/35*
*Drg 24.5/35*
*Sam 21/35*
*Rpr 16/35*
side note:
Ninja does not only have the highest CastPerMinute,
but also the most CastPerMinute out of all Jobs.
“Most readily available defensive cooldown” RIP 30s cd riddle of earth :(
I don't know how to tell you this but... A month or so after I made a Samurai Guide about Kaiten, the ability was removed. I might be partly to blame for this one! 😭
So it was you all along XD
No offense, Ceetsu but I like your content I just can't hear you at all
I appreciate it! A while after the Comparison videos came out, I significantly increased the Voice volume, so this should not be a problem in my newer videos! Thank you!
Been monk since 2.0 😢
I know it's better to "play what you want", but for a WoW heroic raider that dabbles in mythic raiding, which would be the easiest class to transition to?
All five melee jobs will of course play drastically differently to any WoW specialization, for example due to the combos and two different positional types.
Reaper is by far the easiest to play among the five, and it's hardest feature is performing the double enshroud, which involves resource pooling. If you did mythic raiding that is probably very easy. Given that the reapers base combo is a much less significant part of its rotation, that is also milder for the transition. It only has positionals on two specific actions that you have some control over when you use.
The fact that the job doesn't have that much ogcd weaving, it will put less of a demand on you to immediately master this aspect too, which is more pronounced in ff14 (in wow, things are either on the gcd or not. In ff14, even ogcds take up some sort of animation time so you can't stack things)
Samurai is also a good choice if you want something with a much higher skill ceiling without being too overwhelming.
If you don't have a level 50 or 70 job to access these yet, then I recommend starting with monk if you plan for samurai, or dragoon if you plan for reaper, as these jobs share armor in pairs.
I hope this helps you choose!
@@CaetsuChaijiCh th, yes it does. I think I'll start with dragoon and give reaper a go.
Samurai all the way. Who doesn't like cutting your foes down in a second?
Samurai is lots of fun yeah! Especially if you like the big slashy sounds and big explosive damage numbers! :D
I was so bad with Kaiten. Thought it buffed every attack used directly after.
Oh dear! Yeah that might've been a problem! 😅
I only partially disagree with the stars for Entry Level on Reaper. Specially since it starts at level 70 and you have so many confusing skills to read and some seem to do the same until you carefully read every single one and play for a while. Ninja is easier at level 70 if you start from level 1 than Reaper at 70 for the first week or two.
Reaper at level 70 is way easier than any other job at that point. I think you were doing well with ninja because of how much practice you had.
Reaper is not exactly hard, but it's confusing and definitely not for people with ADHD that wants to press anything flashy no matter what lol. Ninja is more straightforward and for me it's like my 5th or 6th job probably@@oltro15
no one like Ninja the best of the best.
My advice: play ninja because it's literally the best job ever
diffculty ranked from a top 1% omni melee player:
ranked from easiest to hardest
entry rpr-sam-monk-drg-nin
mastery drg-nin-mnk-rpr-sam
drg and nin both feel very clickly which is why they can be hard to get into, but once you get the hang of them they are very simple to play at a high level as they follow simple repeatable burst phases.
sam and rpr are easier to understand on a fundamental level but once it comes to playing at a very high level they become the hardest melees to play by far. on samurai you eventually get to the point where you are no longer looping with hagakure as it is a dps loss and each rotation for each fight can look quite different due to phase timings, that combined with having to get in all of your third eyes, this is definitely the most mentally taxing melee to play at a high level. essentially mastery difficulty comes down to fight-by-fight optimizations and how much you have to think while playing a job on a certain fight. drg and nin are two jobs that I love to play during prog because I can do their rotation without thinking much at all.
Thank you for the perspective, Gavin! Of course, most of my difficulty rankings are based on what it takes to play a job at a basic level (entry), and being capable of following the recommended general openers and rotations (mastery), and naturally, there is a level even beyond that, which involves mastering a rotation for a specific encounter! Personally, I feel monk would be by far the hardest for this due to their optimal drift being tough, but I can see what you mean about optimizing samurai to the point of skipping hagakure, that requires a lot of expertise on the specific fight! Dragoon and ninja being strict in the way they are both leaves a lot less opportunity to optimize extra in this way I suppose! I do feel personally though that reaper is very approachable, even at a high level! But I am willing to admit that that is more rooted in the fact that I play reaper significantly more than the other melees, and that it is a subjective thing 😊
Again thank you for sharing the super high level perspective, Gavin! That allows me to better teach on these jobs as well! 😄
“DRG’s Personal Damage 2 Stars??!!” You sure? 🤨
Damage ranking changes with patches. However, the star ratings are relative to the other melee DPS. Dragoon has climbed a bit since this video, however, Dragoon typically has benefitted greatly from the raid buffs it provides, to boost its total damage score, which, notably, is not personal damage ^^
@@CaetsuChaijiCh very fair assessment for a while regardless of patches that basic 5-10 step rotations do crazy work. The eye test says a lot with even the simple rotations get up there with all of them. Even with Synced Levels
The biggest reason to not play Dragoon is you only have one AoE button for most down synced content
That's true I suppose 😅
oooh
thats why sam doesn't feel good
Nin is waaaaaaaay more easier than monk. It is intuitive and once you memorise your opener you are gucci, monk is insanely hard
I feel the entry difficulty for ninja is a lot higher because of needing to learn all the ninjutsus, plus, if you cant do the burst properly, ninja really falls flat. Meanwhile, Monk can get by decently well (entry level) without bursting perfectly. However, that is also why I ranked Monks mastery difficulty higher!
Squeenix boutta blindsind us all and literally make Dragoon a tank next expac, the meme will come full circle!
Now that would certainly be something no one would expect!
"you want this to be a floor tank so badly huh?!"
Meanwhile here i am that only plays any class that has cool animation mods 😂. Thank you mod community for existing ❤
Here Is a Secret Monk tip: Monks can get their weapons More easily, no one plays Monk so u dont have to roll against anyone when leveling or doing alliance raids , 100% yours most of time if a Monk weapon drops. Also gives u flexibility for parties with the one player per job setting, no one plays Monk so most of the Time u can hop in without worrying about It.
Feels lonely tho, out of all my friends, free company and raiding homies im the only one who plays monk :(
Playing a less common job can be super nice if you do savage in party finder too, since you can often join any group! 😊
True, i can farm any Ex trial whenever i want or join to learn a savage too, ever since the new trial dropped ive only seen like 12 Monks in the party finder, so i just joined as Reaper or DRK .
Its very useful too regardless of team composition, everyone loves your brotherhood damage Buff and everyone loves those mantras to help on emergency situations.
In my experience the only job that Is More uncommon that Monk is Blue mage 🤣
Lol dragoons are low damage compared to the others
Yes relative to the fierce competition that is melee that is true 😊 but the overall dps amongst the melee dps, accounting for raid buffs and such, they are within a couple percent of each other - - so if you want to play dragoon, go for it 😊
they're all easy since stormblood
3.5 stars for mnk dps is way wrong its the hardest hitting melee thats common knowledge
The damage rankings are partly based on how the jobs were ranked at the time of the video being made.
While monk often is the highest ranked in rDPS, that is because of the combination of its own damage *and* the damage provided to the raid by brotherhood, this is why I gave the job the combination of stars for raid support and personal damage. The stars are also relative to the melee dps specifically.
Samurai is the melee dps with the highest *personal* damage, and that *is* common knowledge 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh no Sam used to be but all the recent fflogs appear to be mnk but it doesn't really matter the DPS difference is so minimal it's not really a issue mnk is even hitting harder than BLM it appears but I think it comes more down to player skill iff you've got no skills I'd suggest Sam because it's brain dead easy iff you actually have skill I'd suggest mnk and you'll out DPS Sam don't believe me check the fflogs I usually like your content but I feel most of this is wrong but it is your opinion and we all have them
I just checked fflogs. Monk wins over samurai in rDPS, which attributes raid buff damage provided by you to your team, to you. This means jobs with raid buffs get credit for the damage they gave their team mate.
In all other categories more focused on personal damage, samurai beats monk 😊
But regardless, the damage rankings of this video is based on the situation back when the video was made, and as you said the difference is very small, which also means that even the difference between 0 raid support 0 personal damage stars, and 5 stars of each, would be very small.
And also as you said, it is just one person's opinion against another so it's fine! 😊
And also thank you, and I do appreciate your input of course!
It's not framerate, it's tickrate. The server's tickrate. And all jobs are impacted by it
It is directly related to your frame rate, and tick rate is something else. All jobs can be impacted by it, but ultimately only monk is in a situation where it causes a visible issue 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh No, it's not possible for the GPU to affect what happens serverside.
That's because the way the game is programmed is that your command is sent to the server on the next available frame on your computer.
The voice acting kinda annoying, otherwise good video
Thank you! Yeah I have gotten better with the voice over since. But I am glad you found the video good despite that! ^^
RPR is so trash lmao what a waste of an expansion job
A lot of people like reaper, and there is more in an expansion than the new jobs added 😅