ERIC BISCHOFF: "WHAT I SAID to STING after OWEN HART ACCIDENT"
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- Eric Bischoff on his tough conversation with Sting after Owen Hart died live on WWE programming. Sting, like Owen, was doing a gimmick where he's descend from the rafters.
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I saw in a Sting interview that he called Brett Hart and asked his opinion on doing the stunt after Owen's death.
He had been doing his coming down from the rafters, for a couple years before Owen fell to his death.
I think he meant Brets opinion on continuing to do it after Owens death@@jeffdarnell7942
What did Bret say?
who in the blue hell are you?
@IamMrLebanon he said Goldberg ended my career
When Sting came down and rescued DDP from the NWO and brought him up to the rafters, that was one of the greatest moments in wrestling history.
And thank goodness nothing went wrong! But yeah, it was a badass moment
The chopper at Panama City. Incredible.
WCW history. Not wrestling history. Though, that is your opinion, so you are entitled to it.
@@jaythor70 Bruh, wrestling history. This was during the 83 consecutive weeks that WCW beat WWF in the ratings war. Earlier in 97' Vince almost had to close the doors of the WWF, because of the beatdown they were taking. More eyes were on that Live Monday Nitro that night, than on a taped Raw. Wrestling history, not WCW history.
I remember that! Awesome moment!
My mom was what is called or was called, a ring rat. A groupie shall we say. She worked at the Sheraton in Baltimore, and would pick up Owen and drive him around. I dont know anything beyond that but i got free tickets, and got to walk down the car ramp to meet owen with my brother. He jokingly told my brother, who was 6'1 at the time and was only 14-15, that when he was 18, he should hire him as his bodyguard. He signed 2 black n white pics with his having bret in the sharpshooter. My most cherished possessions
That’s awesome!
Hart Foundation vs NWO on Nitro would've been unreal!
I wish Bret wouldve reformed the HF instead of getting folded into the nWo. Bret, Jim, Davy, Benoit, maybe Lance Storm at the time wouldve been a helluva squad
Knowing WCW they would be in the NWO the week after LOL.
That would've been cool to see!
By chance, I came across sting dropping from the rafters while channel surfing...I've been a mark ever since...RIP Owen😢
You can drive yourself crazy thinking about the What Ifs.
What ifs are all lies
@@jabrockobiden9434 I agree, but so many people keep circling to them, some as a way to rationalize or come to grips with decisions - others use it to feed a mania.
Fantasy booking
But Eric has a point there. The safety of the wrestler always comes first before anything. There is something odd about the stunt, that Vince wanted a "quick release" on the hook to make it look more "authentic". I don't buy that. I believe Owen was murdered. I believe Vince wanted him dead because he injured his money making star (Steve Austin) and was not on board with the sleezey storylines at the time.
Owen's death was so avoidable. If Vince actually gave a damn about Owen, he would be alive today. But Vince wanted in some way to punish Owen.
@owainkanaway8345 listen, the way vince handled that was disgusting and honestly borderline criminal, but to make it something it's not and call it murder without hard evidence is also gross. It's trying to change the narrative about a man who's family is still grieving, mourning, and will be in pain for the rest of their lives, it's not a topic that merits baseless speculation.
I think vince should've been taken to court for reckless endangerment, lack of safety regulations, etc. But unless there's a hard fact showing it's malice instead of incompetence, then it's insulting to Owen and the Hart family to baselessly speculate on it.
I think bret carried the weight of what happened to owen on his shoulders and blamed himself for it all the time. Bret looked after owen.
Bret has never blamed himself for anything. It's not in his nature
@@coreysmith8681 i understand that. Im just saying he looked after owen and protected him when they were in the wwe together. After bret left for wcw, he couldnt do it. So, i feel that parts of him hated leaving owen behind in the wwe.
Sting dropping down from a helicopter was iconic. I was a little kid, so you couldn't convince me that wrestling was fake. Anyone who said so had to present a helicopter as opening evidence.
He didn't fake it. If it was fake Owen would be alive. Staged or predetermined is the word you are looking for
@@StrongArmEntertainment "Wresting is fake" is the words used. And have been since forever. It's what every football jock dad would say when they found out that you liked wrestling.
@@StrongArmEntertainment That's like saying if movies were fake, Brandon Lee wouldn't have died on the set of The Crow. That's a wrong statement. Movies are fake, wrestling is fake, and they still died performing stunts for the show.
@@StrongArmEntertainmentnegligence is the word
i was a teenager in high school when the nwo was new and hot, and sting appeared in the rafters every week not saying anything. me and my friends would all watch every monday night on two televisions, one had raw and the other nitro lol man those were the best times, and i would trade everything i have right now just to go back to the 90s, even for a day and feel the magic again.
I would watch nitro and my brother watched raw at the time I totally get what you're saying
RIP Owen ❤️🙏
Imagine Owen and Bret teaming up in WCW
They coulda fended with the amazing French Canadians, the steiner Brothers, Harlem Heat, The Faces of Fear, Benoit and Malenko, Mysterio and Kidman, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall, Creative Control, High Voltage, and even handicap matches vs big bubba Rogers
I remember when they did Sting and DDP and I could not believe how much trust DDP had. Two guys on one cable. I knew something was up when DDP had that coat on. He NEVER had that. But it was to hide the harness. I think they did just enough with Sting coming down, or to the ring at the end of the show, and cut it off when they needed. I hated when Luger and Sting went NWO. Wolfpac was cool, but those guys were WCW through all of that, just to join for no good reason. They did not do enough Red VS black and that finger poke of doom, was it for me. I knew it was all over after that. You could feel it in the air.
The Wolfpack name was cool, but they kept NWO as part of the name! Too many people coming and going.
Hindsight is 20-20 and honestly I now wish Owen HAD left to join Bret in WCW, same for Davey Boy and Neidhart. There could have been some money in a feud with The Hart Foundation versus the nWo.
You're worried about a Hart Foundation vs NWO feud, when the topic of discussion is the uncalled for early death of a man that could have entirely been avoided. Now we're talking about another performer in the opposite company performing the same stunt, and whether that was a sane decision to keep going forward.
But you're worried about Owen and Neidhart vs The Outsiders.....FUCK!
Vince wouldn’t let him out of his contract
@@kdizzle901BINGO
@@Lostmymind1 You're worried about something someone you don't know said on the internet in a CZcams comment section where people can say whatever the fuck they want which can include but is not limited to casual asides tangentially related to something in a video's topic, which is done by damn near everyone at every corner of this platform and even by others under THIS very video.
Get a life.
@@Lostmymind1Oh please spare everybody your moral high horse and fake outrage. He obviously didn’t mean it in an indifferent or uncaring way towards Owen’s death.
I wish Conrad had asked how important Bret’s feelings on the spot were in determining whether Sting kept entering from the ceiling. I’d like to think that if I was the boss and Bret said no, we would stop. That his voice was as important as Sting’s on the matter.
Bret has said in an interview that Sting had reached out to him and asked if he and his family weren't comfortable, he'd stop going down the rafters. After Bret spoke with his family, they said they were okay with him continuing. Bret said how much he appreciated Sting doing that.
Yeah, you can find interviews on YT with Bret explain it. It wasn't an Eric, Bret and Steve conversion. Just Bret and Steve.
I said to him, "Go get a tan"
😂
😈😛🤪
lol
And your dropping the ceiling wire gig to Hogan. It's his now sorry .
That tan doesn’t work for me brother.
If Owen had gone to WCW it would have been completely different.
He would likely still be alive. But career wise, he would have done just a bit better than British Bulldog did.
He prolly wouldn't have reached much higher than the US title. At this point WCW was no longer trying to copy WWF (like the 1st year that Hogan came to WCW); so they may not have recreated Owen's feud with Bret.
owen going to wcw in 1997 joining the nwo could have been incredible.
@@WorkaholicB1 I'm sure WCW didn't want to copy WWF, so they wouldn't re-hash the Hart brothers' feud.
So Owen woulda prolly bin a good guy, at least for the 1st year.
@@WorkaholicB1 ya it would have been
@@JLvatron No shit. This was around the time the WWF was copying WCW.
Undertaker can rise , but Sting can Fly ,I’d love that match forever
I wasn’t there behind the scenes but seems to me that’s the big difference between Eric and Vince McMahon. Seems in situations like this he made sure the wrestlers were comfortable and Vince seemed to push things. Idk if that’s 100% true like I said I don’t know them personally.
The safety of the wrestler always comes first before anything. There is something odd about the stunt, that Vince wanted a "quick release" on the hook to make it look more "authentic. I don't buy that. I believe Owen was murdered. I believe Vince wanted him dead because he injured his money making star (Steve Austin) and was not on board with the sleezey storylines at the time.
Owen's death was so avoidable. If Vince actually gave a damn about Owen, he would be alive today. But Vince wanted in some way to punish Owen.
@@owainkanaway8345 I think your reading a bit much into this.....
@@zachwhitlow4 No it I am not reading a bit much into this. It's not so much the approach between Vince and Eric. The FACT that Vince approved of the "hook" that can only hold 6lbs let alone a 220lb man should tell you everything. That Vince was more concerned about a stunt looking realistic then the safety of a wrestler, when all the signs says the stunt was WAY too dangerous. That sounds fishy.
@@owainkanaway8345people being more focused on how something looks than safety in this world is more fishy you to than a murder conspiracy? U need help man 🤦🏻♂️
@@cheapseats12 Stay on topic ahole. What I said is factual because it was Vince McMahon who approved of the use of the sail boat clip that can only 6lbs of pressure. It was Vince Mchamon who ignored Barry Brazell and other professional stuntmen saying the angle was too dangerous. It was Vince McMahon was more concerned about an angle looking realistic than the safey of a wrestler. Now my theory is that what Vince did was intentional. As for me I am fine.
Sting was class act and WCW handled things right WWF/E dropped the ball and it was a tragedy and huge loss for the business RIP Owen, Davey, Jim & Brian I was a huge mark for the Hart Foundation
Bischoff nailed it with the “Tonight Show” comment. That could still be a career maker, Arsenio Hall and Letterman too. No one was bigger than Carson though. An appearance on his show was like a king maker. “Influencers” took over the role of prominence and the talent for late night just doesn’t seem as big as it did 30, 40 even 50 years ago.
Conrad PLEASE…. Don’t get up
Owen’s death is so strange to me. Even to this day. The name of the ppv that night is one little thing that always makes me feel uncomfortable…and dare I say, suspicious.
...well they did a ppv called over the edge literally the year before that in 1998.... so no it was just a sad coincidence.
I was all on for WWE at that time. I probably got 8-10 ppvs that year. For some reason i passed on that one. Not sure why. Im glad that i didn’t
My respect for Eric what a awesome guy
Bret Hart's Calgary Hitmen were in the Jr A memorial Cup that weekend. My cousin played goalie for the Belleville Bulls and met him the day before the Owen Hart tragedy. Couldn't imagine receiving that news.
Why did I just like the notify post? 😂Oh well more coffee for me.
There are a lot of valid criticisms of wcw. One critique which worked in their favor is they weren’t cheap. They spent money. That included stunts.
Vince penny pinched a fucking dangerous stunt. He could have hired wcw’s guy but felt he was too expensive. He went with a cheaper guy who used cheap equipment.
I love Eric Bischoff ❤️❤️❤️
Sometimes it's kind of fun to sit back and wonder/fantasy book what all 3 companies would have looked like going through and coming out of the 90s into the early 2000s if one or even a few of the deaths never would've happened. And not just the big names like Owen & later Eddie but guys like the Von Erichs, Art Barr, Chris Adam's, Eddie Gilbert, Pillman, etc.
I wonder if HBK was the first for major league wrestling.
in AEW, Sting did try the "drop down from the ceiling/rafters" thing, without a hitch.
czcams.com/video/fy1A9DEbp9w/video.html = The Legend Sting descends from the rafters at his last AEW Dynamite appearance! 🦂
(1 minute) - by: King Kuma on Feb 29, 2024; PROPST ARENA (aka Von Braun Center; in Huntsville, Alabama)
He did it in TNA ad well
Video for it?
WWE is a circus compared to those companies.
@@CaptainMorgan420AEW sucks😒
Owen should’ve went to WCW with the rest of the Hart Foundation. You can tell he was out of place in WWE without them.
RIP Owen 🙏 I wish Owen would have come to WCW
Not sure wcw would know what to do with owen cause look at how bret was booked in wcw
Owen was more versatile as a performer
@CarlisleIsACuckTomRomano very true but I don't believe that bishoff or russo would know how to book owen
@@CarlisleIsACuckTomRomanoowen would've been a more versatile an agile chris benoit in WCW. Owen wouldve been good in the cruiserweight division
Owen was in wcw before wwf.
" Steve Borden who played the character Sting. " lmao who says that
That was drawing an important point. "Sting" didn't make the decision to continue, Steve Borden, the man, had to consider things intellectually and emotionally after a real death occured from a similar stunt.
I remember in 1997 Sting dropping from the ceiling every week. I remember one time he dropped down from the Superdome in New Orleans. Man that’s high up. After Owen died in 1999 they never should dropped anyone from the ceiling.
Owen situation was mishandled
I think stings take is a bit different but similar. Sting i think reached out to Bret as well.
Sting and Bret had a personal conversation about it. Nobody else was present.
“if the talent doesn’t want to do it that’s it” - Bischoff
If only McMahon took a similar approach
Who was it in WCW that pressured Sid to do the jump that broke his leg? Sid didn't want to. Somebody didn't put the talent first then.
Its just horribly sad an depressing that Owen died how he did. Owen was a good soul. He shouldn't have died when he did.
I remember it was a episode in 2000 came down kind of hard on the cage Tony said on the mic I hope he's not dead up there
Jay Leno is awesome
I finally got to a Nitro during this era and it was right after Owen’s death.
Vince Russo said the stunt guys who worked with Sting offered their services that night.
Bischoff had never asked Steve Austin, about Owen…has he? You can tell Austin STILL has a problem with Owen never checking on him or truly apologizing (according to Steve himself)
Can't blame him tho....because it comes off as if the dude was jealous and didn't care if Austin had been paralyzed or lost his career.
@@jtsra7 Owen botched that piledriver to multiple people and never apologized to any of them. Dan Severn was another Owen botched it on.
Yeah and Austin botched it in Japan and broke a guys neck. But somehow people never want to mention that ever. Somehow Austin just gets a pass for any and everything. Funny how that works. @@FailedBard
@@MrBeckenhimself It would have helped a bit if you'd put his name, Masahiro Chono. From the video of it, Austin was definitely at fault there. Set up perfectly for a tombstone, but does a sit out piledrive and spikes his head. Googling seems to say that it was reported as a stinger at the time but found to be broken later, unlike Austin's that was reported as broken initially (and still is) but was actually swelling of the cervical lining of the spinal cord causing something like stenosis.
As for why it gets a pass? Most US wrestling fans don't care about or know about Japanese wrestling, so never heard about it.
Doesn't change that Owen botched it multiple times without really apologizing for it though, which was my whole comment, but it does make Austin a hypocrit.
@@jtsra7 I don’t disagree with you there. I’m with ya.
I’m just saying “Bitch-Off”… (*AHEM!* excuse me. Where are y manners)….Bischoff said that he’s never heard anyway say a bad thing, about Owen. Well, ask Austin, in private. Lol!
I don't know either of them, but I respect and admire Eric Bischoff's willingness to meet Bret Hart at the airport personally. I seem to remember Bret Hart saying that Eric Bischoff hugged the hell out of him!
Sting took Randy up also
doing it safely like sting or reckless like wwe is a world of difference
R.I.P. OWEN 💪🙏
If Owen signed with WCW Eric probably would of had Sting drop the title back to Hogan then do a NWO vs Hart Family feud. The problem is we witnessed NWO vs the Horsemen, FLock...ect and it always boiled down to NWO promos embarrassing and making the other faction look stupid and weak before squashing them.
So true. That could have maybe saved WCW. Certainly would have been better for Owen than what he was doing in WWF near the end.
Honestly? I'm fine with that. I'm fine with Owen Hart being mildly embarassed on TV 25 years ago in a television program that everybody KNOWS is a television program. Because that means Owen is alive today.
@@Lostmymind1 Trust me I would rather have Owen alive and have had a shitty angle than what happened.
@@FreedomFTW It wouldn't of helped WCW but Owen would of been alive and well and wrestling world would be a bit brighter. Though Owen's death put allot of scrutiny on stunts wrestlers were forced to do and perhaps another tragedy would of eventually unfolded.
Doesn’t matter if Owen joined or not, Hogan wasn’t working against Bret. They had the NWO split and the would have rode that just like they did. Hell, they had Bret doing vignettes talking crap about Hogan and the NWO right up until his heel turn where he joined Hogan. The really had no plan for Bret. Plus it doesn’t help that Goldberg was getting hotter by the day and DDP was still hot. The face side in WCW had so many strong challengers to Hogan in 1998 that Bret would have gotten lost in the shuffle no matter what.
Sting had stopped coming from the rafters for over a year by May of 1999 anyway.
After Sting turned nWo wolfpack then distancing himself from that ever happening there was no putting the toothpaste back in the tube. In other words it didn't matter what Sting did after 1998. The Sting character mystique had run its course. WCW blundered the character too much.
Owen hart death was negligance somehow sting never got injured or died from those drops because they secured hil properly each time even tho wcw was more of a mess then wwf
vince kill3d owen!
Bret heart was amazing and one of the main reason I started watching WCW
If Owen went to WCW it would’ve never went that direction but things happen we have no control over the situation
Conrad...
Please stop rocking back and forth in videos recently. Distracting. 😆
He’s having withdrawals from the chocolate fountain at Golden Corral.
Adult ADHD. Nervous energy.
Yes please, wtf is up with all that rocking anyway? He didn't do that until recently.
Why are you even looking at Conrad? He's wearing camouflage and clearly doesn't want to be as noticeable bc he's so big. Respect him for trying to be less visible by ignoring him like I do. You should delete your comment too bc it's drawing more people's attention to the huge Conrad.
Edit: I was just trolling here. Please ignore my foolishness.
Idk, I like Conrad better than that guy with the undertaker. Conrad’s flair family where that guy is just a fan who conned his way in
yes i think sting had to call bret hart. sting is a genuine and good person and he had a great career
Owen could not sign to WCW, because his contract was still with WWE. If Owen would have broken his contract, there would have been a major lawsuit.
No, they just should've gave Brett Power... a group, some kind of authority leader or some way.
Fun fact: cellphones have been around since 1983(for the public).
not wifi though
yeah but who had them ?/??. rich people only really until about the late 90s at least .
Not throwing him in the NWO would have made it a better run as well
Eric needs to get away from Conrad the Mark
marks lives matter
That might be the best country song that will never be heard on the radio..... I'm done
3:55 ah, there’s Conrad asking the hard-hitting questions… Do you think Bret would’ve had a better time if his brother hadn’t died in the ring recently… ffs why is this guy here?
"steve borden played the character sting" How many years have you been doing this fucking show?
Wait a second...Sting's real name isn't Sting? You serious, Clark? 😂
@@ChickensinHighDef Sting is the character Steve Borden played in the 1995 television drama series WCW Monday Nitro presented by Executive Producer Eric Bischoff, who was a serious Hollywood producer who made television shows for high brow discerning television viewers and not for inbred retard wrestling fans who he would never lower himself to take money from
Believe or not, not everyone in the world is a WCW or TNA fan. He must have lots of new viewers 🤣
Es Sullivan show , Jonny Carson you made it on there you've made it
Hulk Hogan said he will leave rassling to the WWE and the young guys on FOX NEWS.
Andre says: HULKAMANIA is DEAD
Owen and mick foley had a 10 star match infront of meltzer ...even though they were trying to have the worst match in history l o l
Sorry other way around Brett take Owen to wcw
Funny timing as I’m in an Owen Hart rabbit hole
Wrong
Sting only did it after he checked with Bret and got the rest of the family approval.
Connie......Are you sun burned or what??
I know psychology at a basic level. Eric being the first person Brett saw from the business, moments after finding out. Brett psychologically blamed Eric for him not being there to save his brother.
The "what if's" going through Brett's mind at the time had to have been crazy.
He blamed Vince first because Vince sent him away & it happened on Vince's watch.
Eric would have not been as high on that list - only if by then he wasn't happy with his push. Negative feelings tend to compound.
@@ModernDayRenaissanceMan exactly. Especially since Owen didn't want to do it any ways.
Any one who doesn't know the answer of Bret and owen.
Isn't human in any way, why even ask the question?
Oh no who cares if there bro passes? It's not like its friend or a dog .
Sorry but owen was killed by someone swapping his locking carabiner out for a quick release on a ppv called over the edge. Someone just happened to fall to thier death on a ppv named over the edge... Buy a lottery ticket...the chances are higher
Eric after accident, "I hope the mat is okay."
No that’s was Vince.
Stinger only did it like one time though to be honest I think 🤔
Betas
Owen should taken Brett with him.in wcw
Owen broke people’s necks. He was wreckless
This doesn't get mentioned enough, IMO. Super reckless and careless.
@@bpo1975 Yet Bret constantly talks about being safe in the ring and hates Goldberg for being wreckless with him
Yet his own brother injured "Stone Cold" and Austin never truly recovered from it.
@dhenderson1810 Good point. I never even thought of that bravo
Steve Austin did the exact same thing the exact same way to another wrestler not five years before
@@staceytoda2756 Who?
good television is way more important than somebody's life especially somebody who has never even been world champion
After the horrible situation with Owen Hart been killed in accident they should have put show off air and Vince let the wwf show carry on.
The interview person sounds like Jr voice is so canny
Im sorry, but im not buying that had Owen's accident not happened that Bret would have been anything more or less than the Bret we know. If the argument is that Owen being in WCW would have changed Bret in WCW then I can see that. But for 30 yrs Bret has proven to be miserable and bitter. Everything that he doesnt like about his career is someone elses fault. He has this self grandizing opinion of himself and is second only to Lebron James when it concerns how they see their own legacy. Everyone loved and repsected Owen. His one mistake was a piledriver that shortened the career of the biggest superstar in the history of the business. But no one had anything bad to say about Owen...and Bret was jelous. Bret was jelous of Owen's talent, likable personality and the respect he had from the lockerroom.
Then you don't understand lost. When Bret left the WWE he didn't want to go. He never wanted to leave he was forced out which was bad enough but to have the screw Job happen when legally he has creative control over how he would leave of course he would be bitter. The thing is if Owen lives Bret still has the guy who brought joy to his life around and probably isn't as obsessed with everything that went wrong. I mean if you think about it all this stuff happened within a 3 to 5-year span. It's actually amazing that Bret is still around after all that a lot of people couldn't have taken what he took
And also, Eric's opinion speaks volumes of his character since he has been one of Brets misery main targets. He certainly knows more about that subject than the average person
Austin was the biggest superstar in the history of the business? You must be very young or very high.....or both.
What you're saying here is that the death of a beloved sibling had absolutely no affect on this man. To say that you"don't buy that" is one of the most ignorant things ever said.
Either you’ve never had a sibling or your sibling is an awful human being. Because the sheer inability to empathize with what someone would feel had they lost a sibling in the manner that Bret did speaks VOLUMES about yourself.
Would his WCW run have been better had Owen come with him? Hard to say. But after that happened there was a VERY clear and understandable change in attitude from Bret. That attitude change affected everything. It wouldn’t have saved him from the booking, but having Owen there may have made for a better environment and not had him have to deal with his sudden death.
Oh, and Bret gets to talk like he was one of the best ever because it’s true, and if he doesn’t want to sugarcoat his opinions of certain people, then so what? He got screwed over by his long time boss, lost his brother to that company that screwed him, and then lost his career and all of the opportunities he could have still had by a reckless wrestler with little training. All in the span of like, 2 years. If you aren’t mad or bitter about any of that, then I question if you’re a human or a robot.
czcams.com/video/bPfF1oawTrs/video.html -- nWo Jumps DDP & Piper, Sting Army Comes Down (HQ) (6:34) - by: ScottHall222 on Jul 9, 2009; Army of Stings comes down to the ring. WCW Monday Nitro 10/13/97.
Conrad just big AF for no reason.
When do you stop thinking it’s funny to point out someone is overweight? Guess some people stay having the mind of a 14 year old for their entire life
Lmfao!!!!!!!!!!'n I lost it at no reason
theres a reason .hes very rich and enjoys eating
What Vince McMahon said to himself immediately after Ambulance leaves arena. -"They think it was an accident, lol."
Are you joking
Not funny
Bret should've been the ultimate bbyfce teaming up with sting against the nwo/kliq,,, hogan should've beat sting to recapture the belt by some nonsense of coarse giving bret the xhance to beat the bad guy but also to give the hitman the chance higan shouldve gave him at wreslmania 9 or whatever it was