Scott Hall - How Roddy Piper Refused Randy Savage Job Match in WCW
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RIP to the late-great Scott Hall. Here the Bad Guy talks about his one issue with "Rowdy" Roddy Piper when the two worked together in World Championship Wrestling.
Hulk Hogan had just agreed to lose clean to Roddy Piper via sleeperhold but when it came time for Roddy to lose to Randy Savage, he wasn't having it. Scott reveals how he went off on the Hot Road.
Also to start the clip, hear about how Hall changed the script in a match vs Chris Jericho where he put Chris over instead of squashing him like he was told to do.
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He speaks the truth. He jobbed for 1-2-3 Kid (Xpac) and got him over big time.
Yea I think that's what started me off as a fan of 1-2-3 growing up
Razor Ramon (Scott Hall) really launched the 1-2-3 Kid (X-Pac) into the top-tier.
Yeah and when you do it properly the way they did it, then it doesn't destroy your credibility by losing,
@@MortonT1958. Sean Waltman is X PAC’s real name
Sean’s aerial moves were the best in the company at that time
Scott also came up with the crow sting gimmick. He truly had some of the best ideas for wresting storylines
He got people, and that’s probably the most important skill to have in the entertainment business.
I feel like he would’ve made a great promoter if he had his own company
Easily some of the best in shoot interviews. His stories were coherent, believable, and well told in a way that made you want to hear more.
100% agree
When he says, "Whats the tape gonna do, give you a rash?" I swear I can hear Razor Ramon coming out 😂
Miss that dude for real
RIP Razor
RIP. The kinda guy you want as a friend.
I was at that nitro when he put Jericho over
Was it the Spectrum?
@@curthennig9448 yes sir
Scott had one of the absolute best minds for the business and ring psychology that I've ever heard. Such a treat listening to his shoots. RIP Bad Guy
That was what was great about Scott Hall . He knew the guys who or when they needed a push or what was good for the business.
Wish he was still around, he would've been invaluable on a booking team. For all his vices, Scott really "got" the wrestling business and knew how important the optics are in the match finish.
that if if he wanted to be on a writer in the wwe,
writer in the wwe as to work long hours, have to move to stanford ct, as travel for ppvs monday night raw and smack down.
before the ppv. monday night raw and smackdown there in a conferice room to go over everthing and to see if they need to make last minute changes.
p.s. you also have to have a writers degree and know how to write for tv shows and movies.
@@kauzpayne2 doubt he would've wanted to deal with Vince's team at all lol.
TNA and WCW were more traditional booking teams where it was all ex-wrestlers mapping out angles and finishes, letting the wrestlers be natural and do the rest.
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 tna would not have they money to pay him. and wcw only two writes dusty rhodes and kevin.
OG SCOTT HALL#1 (RIP)
THATS WHY U R THE LEGENDARY LEGEND U R...
What he says here might be one of the reasons he never won the World title, to me he was the real leader of the nWo , he made them cool, maybe he didn't see himself as a top guy but he was
He didn’t take it seriously enough So never really made it out of the upper mid card. People at the top of WCW not taking things seriously enough was a big reason the WCW failed.
Once Scott Hall left the AWA and got rid of that ridiculous mustache, he began coming into his own as a heel. RIP Big Guy (you certainly earned it entertaining us for years at a terrible cost to you)!!!
Hall seemed so sharp, funny and a great storyteller in this shoot, a real shame he could never quite conquer his demons.
There were no "Demons" just Alcoholism.
He drank because he was insecure and felt sorry for himself. Great entertainer but a loser of a man.
@jayceegenocide4402 🤓
This dude has got the best shoot interviews of all time. Could listen to him for hours. I wish there were more.
Scott understood the business better than most plus he was selfless and never let his ego take over.
Such a great mind for the business. RIP to the bad guy! 😢
Hogan never put Savage over either.
And Hogan probably wouldn’t have put Piper over either if not for what Hall claimed here about his and Nash’s influence on Hogan.
Vince would have never let his cash cow lose.
Times were different back in the days.
YOU GUYS ALL TALK SH## ABOUT HOGAN.
Including wrestlers..
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS...
HOGAN IS THE REASON THAT WRESTLING BECAME ONE OF THE BIGGEST ENTERTAINMENT ATTRACTIONS IN THE COUNTRY !!!!
Hogan never beat piper, so he always put piper over
Piper been Hogan multiple times so you lie.
Scott and Terry Funk were true pros. What's good for business. Selfless. Do it for the fans. Rest peacefully.
Funk maybe. Scott Hall? In your dreams maybe.
#RIPScottHall
#RIPHotRod
#RIPMachoMan
I really enjoyed this. 👏
Hall was one of the least selfish dudes in wrestling. And wrestling is super selfish
Piper was one of the greatest heels in history, just behind Flair
he wasn't heel long enough for him to be one of the historical greats... he was heel briefly then turned chaotic and that's pretty much how he stayed thru out his career....
Piper from 81 to 86 is the GOAT and i mean in general terms.
Guys like Piper and Flair , Lawler, Savage and Austin can't really be viewed in terms of Heels or Babyface. They get over regardless of whether fans are rooting for them or not.
The best heels were guys like Blanchard, Schultz
Scott had a great mind for the business.
This guy had great psychology for putting together matches.
Geez, WCW might still be around if this guy were doing the booking.
Scott Hall 4LIFE 🤘
Tremendous talent, awesome interview and really unselfish and cared about the product by putting guys over when needed. It makes wrestling way more entertaining when it's NOT predictable. One of Vince's weaknesses in the late 80s and early 90s was being uber predictable.
Hall jobbed to Jericho a week AFTER Halloween Havoc, so his memory is a little fuzzy. Hall also got his win back six weeks later.
R. I . P bad guy !!
What a wrestler
What a real legend
Scott could be so articulate and think so clearly. It's a shame he could often make such bad choices despite being such a smart guy.
As far as Hulk, Savage, and Piper, they had a complicated relationship from the 80s WWF days.
Savage and Piper were always in Hulk's shadow, and thus kind of the anti-Hulks, with Savage being something of a tweener (see the Mega Powers split and Macho King turn).
I really wish the Kliq had respected Piper more in his later WCW days.
Piper, Savage, and Hogan largely laid the groundwork for the Monday Night Wars by making wrestling popular in the 80s. Piper was one of the greatest heels of all time.
But it was also known that Piper could be arrogant and refuse to put people over. Piper's logic was if he was beaten cleanly then his mystique would go away and people would stop paying to see him wrestle Hulk.
Still, I wish Hall, Nash, and others had given Piper more of the respect he deserved for being the icon Piper was.
Hall and Nash were also wise to suck up to Hogan because Hogan still had enough power backstage in the 90s to exert influence over pushes. They made making a strategic alliance with the king of wrestling. If they couldn't have Vince's ear because they were in WCW, having Hulk's ear was the next best thing.
As for Macho Man, I don't think he was booked well by Bischoff or Russo. Macho Man just kind of faded into the background like Rick Steiner did once Scott Steiner blew up as Big Poppa Pump. Macho Man and Rick both deserved better than what they got during the later WCW days.
As for Bischoff, I think his interaction with Hall shows that Bischoff didn't have the mind for the business that prime era Vince did from the 80s to the Attitude Era.
Eric always seemed to me like an on air referee promoted to mid level executive promoted to the head of a broadcasting network's wrestling division. He was not a true promoter with a deep understanding of the business like prime era Vince, Jim Cornette, or Paul Heyman.
too close to Portland...Hall is the best brah
Perfectly shows what respect he had for Vince and the lack of same for Bischoff, even in the best of his times in WCW. He would of never dreamed switching stuff up like that working for Vince.
I always Scott told the history of his career very well.. Or just about different things he was involved in over the years..
i never knew they convinced Hogan to lose to Piper at Starrcade 97. thats so awesome. Piper was prolly so paranoid he didnt wanna lose clean and had his guard up too high
It was 1996. Sting was Starrcade '97. And to be perfectly honest, I don't think jobbing to Piper made a lick of sense. Hogan was the champion but he loses a non-title match at WCW's biggest PPV of the year? Should have done that on a Nitro before the PPV, not the PPV itself unless you are going to put the title on Piper.
Most of the best "heel click" gimmicks, came from Scott. They changed the whole wrestling landscape. Made it all way more fun. Everyone was "over", irregardless of your alignments. This was something that would NEVER be allowed to happen in WWF/WWE. Vince has to have everything his way.
The razor man was one of the greatest
I miss Scott Hall.
Thinking of Big Kev today. This was his Ride or Die and tbh.. what a Stud
The biggest shame of modern WWE is Scott isn't down there coaching guys with Shawn.
You could call him a Diamond Stud 😎
If Hall wasn't so generous in the ring, he would have been a multiple world champion.
Scott played a character. Is he a good guy? He had his demons.
Scott must have respected Randy Savage to be that upset Piper didn't put over Savage
Hall trying to say they needed to put Piper over. Piper is over no matter what when who or how....he's the ultimate heel of this business and a great face(prefer him a heel though)
“Well you must’ve been real popular at Alcatraz. Bet you got a lot of candy bars and cigarettes, ya queer.” 💀😂
I'm sure Piper got them at the gift shop, since at the time he did that vignette (1997) Alcatraz had been open as a tourist attraction for almost 25 years (1973, it closed, as a Prson, in 1963). I recall wrestlecrap poking at this story, asking the question "Imagine you are on a tour at alcatraz, and you come across Piper sleeping in one of the cells like a deranged homeless man"
The only thing that doesn't jive is that up to the point Hogan jobbed to Piper at Starrcade, Hall/Nash hadn't jobbed to anyone in WCW. At least not televised, idk about live events. Hall is saying they jobbed all the time. They didn't lose as a team until Souled Out the next month. To their credit, they also lost at Superbrawl the month after that as well. Hall pinned at Souled Out, Nash submitted at Superbrawl. Both losses were overturned, however.
Jus because he is not afraid to job, doesn’t mean he has to lose all the time 😂
@pc8679 That's not what im saying. He said, "Hulk saw me and Kev doing jobs for everybody all the time..." They hadn't lost once in WCW at the point he's talking about.
@@ShaneOMac131 his point was that, he wouldn’t refuse to job if he was asked to. Bischoff booked him and Kevin to look strong so I wouldn’t put that against them. When asked to lose he wouldn’t refuse because he knew it was fake.
...jibe... Jive means something different.
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Here he loses clean to Benoit
I think Scott even lost to Disco and a Luchadore before. Always gave back.
Good interview
"Wow brother, no one ever stuck up for me before."
Well, he was actually sticking up for Savage.
The same people who complain that guys like Piper didn't want to do jobs are the same people who call guys like Koko B Ware a "jobber" like it's an insult. Critical thinking is not the strong suit of wrestling fans. It's a business and it's up to the promoter to decide what is best for his business. You can't hold up a promoter if he doesn't think you're valuable.
Fans today don’t understand that the tail end of your career you do jobs to put the newer guys over. It’s like you said. They see someone putting others over, and no matter how much drawing power they had, they still think of them as a jobber.
Bischoff didn’t get it. Still doesn’t. Hall understood. It’s about the entertainment value. But it has to look good. It has to look real.
We’re really in for a treat if this is the start of a continuous dump of Scott Hall shoots from this interview!! 😍😍😍
Scott Hall: Hey, if this is supposed to be a team effort then shouldn’t we all be fine doing a job?
[Everyone disliked that]
LOVE how he called it fake.
Why
@@wa2k99 because so many holier than thou wrestlers get so angry when it’s called fake. It’s f’n fake, give it a rest
I could’ve swore I heard Scott tell the story along time ago, but instead of hulk thanking him, it was macho man
I miss the Bad Guy.
I feel like Hall has been known to “embellish” some of his stories, but one thing is for sure…he wasn’t opposed to doing jobs. I have more memories of Hall laying down and looking at the lights than I do of him going over.
What stories has he embellished? He’s usually pretty consistent.
He was pretty honest about a lot of stories, especially for a pro wrestler
@@ParlorTattooProject I don’t believe he was 100% truthful with the stories regarding Shane Douglas, Carl Oullet and others that the kliq sabotaged just out of spite. He always makes it sound like the kliq minded their own business and we’re completely innocent…don’t get me wrong, I’ve been a fan of Scott for many years and still love watching some of those old Razor matches, I just don’t buy everything he says…really, I wouldn’t trust any of the kliq members 😂…except maybe Kid.
@@ParlorTattooProject I don’t think he was 100% honest about Shane Douglas, Carl Ouellet and the other careers that were sabotaged out of spite by the Kliq. Scott always tried to make it sound like they were completely innocent but I don’t buy it. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve always been a Hall fan and still love going back and watching some of those old Razor Ramon matches…I just really wouldn’t trust any of the Kliq guys honestly 😂…except maybe Kid.
@@completesentences2125 sabotaged out of spite? What could the Kliq have been jealous about Shane Douglas for?
Piper was so scared to lose and become irrelevant
To be great, entertain the fans! End of discussion!
Rip Scott Hall.
I miss scott
Hot Rod was old school. He didn't to jobs on TV.
Well the story of Nash open hand slapping Piper to the ground after he came at them in the locker room after a tag match between the Outsiders vs Piper and Flair has definitely been told by Nash and Hall too in other shoots. I believe Disco Inferno and Konan have spoken on it too. Maybe it wasn't fresh on Hall's mind this day because that's probably the story the interviewer is referring to.
Hall put him over, yet Jericho resents Hall.
Hey yo
John from Bomb 1st? Heeeeeeey I thought that voice sounded familiar. I didn’t know you were a wrestling fan as well. You should get big Reg and James to talk about their favorite wrestlers and times they remember in WWF. Who their fav characters were.
I heard that Nash beat Roddy Piper down....
Mad at Piper yet he pointed out Hogan never did jobs before that.
i dont know why piper always gets a pass for not doing a job but people hate on hulk hogan not doing jobs and im not even avhogan fan
If you sell tickets you can get by with anything
@@merleshand2442 true but still
bcuz Piper was a likable guy and worked his way up. Hogan was pushed right away and kept the belt for decades by changing matches at the last second.
@@poindextertunes that still doesn't make it right
@@poindextertunesPushed right away? He was in the business 1976-1983 before he went to wwf in 1984. He was possibly the most famous wrestler after appearing in Rocky 3. He also worked his way up. You can't blame guys for promoters pushing them.
Hulk not into doing jobs........ Nothing we didn't know 😅
it's such a shame he couldn't lay off the alcohol man his career would have lasted so much longer and he could have had such a great run into the 2000s
Piper seemed to not want to job to anyone.
Hall?
Damn, I thought it was SEAGAL.
He's putting on weight.
I like Scott Hall but Hot Rod earned that right
Piper was a piper
I Hogan losing to Luger via Torcher Rack. A later segment Hogan is out talking crap like he won.
Hall’s mixing things up. Piper fought hogan in a rematch after starcade at superbrawl in frisco & I guess didn’t want to put hogan over clean, so savage interfered by giving hogan the taped brass knucks. So same deal & actually it’s worse because hogan put piper over clean but didn’t let hogan win clean. Btw I’m the biggest piper fan ever but hall’s right about this.
Hogan doing job for piper and getting excited about it? That’s interesting and he finally doing a job for someone and he relazie that it did nothing but still got him over as well. If that was the case he should have done the job for Bret when Vince ask him too.
Hogan saying nobody ever stuck up for him before ? Are you kidding me ? Hogan never really wanted anybody to stick up for him cause hogan look out for hogan plan and simple.
Piper was a star and draw. That's the reason Hogan wanted to job. It would make him a little less hated among hardcore fans.
Bret and Shawn were low card talent when Hogan was the champion. In the 90s they were like Jeff Hardy or Christian cage becoming a WWF champion.
Both were laughable and flopped at the box office.
It's only hardcore fans, critics and the veterans look up to Bret and Shawn as superstars.
For them hogan and warrior being the champions was disgusting.
ive heard many stories about piper refusing to do jobs. he seems to have been full of himself.
Truth. As a matter of fact, I'm one of those in the minority when it comes to being a mark for Piper. I've always thought of him as being overrated.
@@twomorningsbackfromyesterd1240 i feel you, never got the hype around piper either tbh. Yes he was a great heel in the 80s but overall Piper never was anywhere near the level of Hogan, Savage, Taker, Bret or even HBK.
The stories pale compared to the stories about Hogan. Still Piper managed to bag two rare PPV clean(ish) wins on Hogan, Starrcade '96 then Halloween Havoc '97(cage match). Dunno how they conned Hogan into laying down twice for Piper, but good on them and at least Piper did the right thing, putting over Bret clean, on his way out of WWF in '92.
Such a bad guy.
Jericho was over with Philly fans in 1996 while in ECW before he went to work in WCW. Love Scott Hall but I don't get that statement.
I wonder if Hall ever needled the butt play kid Shawn Michaels about never jobbing too 🤔
Doubtful.
You wonder if he needled Shawn's butt? 😁 Probably, considering he gave Shawn huge pantsings in their ladder matches 😅
Scott looks like Frank 🏰
Piper was right not to job, he is top tier.
Wasn’t the time hall is talking about where piper beat hogan wasn’t it a non title match ?
yeah Starrcade '96. I doubt they could've gotten Hogan to lose clean for the title.
I only remember piper putting brett hart over at WM8.
Both savage and piper paid their dues long before Hall was around. It was their call what to do
Scott
roddy was on alot then. 💯
Aew #1
No, Piper would NOT have gotten his ass kicked. 😅
Sorry to say, but Piper was a bit selfish.
The more stories I hear it sounds like all the big names are selfish to some degree, Cliq, Hogan, Brett, Piper...Seems like the business was built in a way that you had to be selfish to make it
Roddy Piper is a Legend & an ICON. Hall is part of the reason WCW went out of business.
Piper wasn't better than Savage. Not in ability. Not in psychology. Not on the mic. And not at the box office. If you wanna say that him, Savage, Rude, Jake, and Perfect were all on the same level? Okay, fine. But of those five Piper is in the bottom two athletics wise. Anyone refusing to job clean to a Macho elbow is the sign of an unprofessional individual.
@@HootyFruityOwl Piper had made it that far being exactly what he was. Never heard Savage say a bad thing about him. Piper drew more money then all of those guys combined (minus Savage). Piper is universally recognized as the greatest heel of his generation. Seems like he knew what he was doing.
Savage was a bigger star than piper
Scott Hall is the second most underrated pro wrestler in modern history;
the first is Sting, whom Hall helped stay relevant for an extra 25 years.
He should have been fired.
I wonder if his willingness to job played a part in him not getting a world title?
Where were you when wrestling died?
Piper wouldn't put Hogan over in 84-86 either. The logical main event for the first couple wef ppv couldn't be done or didn't work cause piper was mark for himself
It never made sense to me that the main event for the first WrestleMania was a tag team match, it makes sense now though
@@onamattapeeya What put WrestleMania on the map was having Mr. T (the biggest star on tv that year) on the card. It HAD to be a tag match.
@@mat2375 LOL no it didn't, now say something else equally stupid so I may laugh at you again
If Piper put Hogan over leading up to Mania then you don’t have a match. Hogan already won. Why keep it going? But if it’s a draw, or a DQ, or some kind of screwy finish, then there’s unfinished business to settle.
Most modern wrestling fans don’t understand psychology and the way things worked back in the day.
@dr.floridamanphd so basically he was a mark for himself and lost clean less than HULK HOGAN 😂