I LOVE used PC parts! ...when they work.
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- I wanted to make this video to showcase that used PC parts aren't all sunshine and rainbows. Sometimes the used/refurbished hardware you buy will come with problems, and this was one of those cases. Fortunately this deal was not through OfferUp, because if it was I would have been out of luck since I wasn't able to test the card and discover the issues until 4 days after it was delivered (was out of town).
I'm really enjoying these off the cuff, quick vlog-style-but-still-PC-related videos. They're a lot less stressful than the more organized and planned formats, and they're a good way to just share some thoughts that I have and generate discussion on whatever random topic I feel like talking about. I also like how I am able to capture raw and unplanned emotions lol.
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This should go without saying, but please DO NOT HARASS OR WITCH HUNT THE SELLER. They provided a quick and pain free solution to the refund. I did not make this video as backlash to them; the purpose of this video was to showcase an example of buying used parts gone wrong, and that if you are smart about it, you will mitigate the risks and get your money back. As stated before, I would buy another card from this seller if they had it in stock, this was just a case of bad luck.
Maybe a heat gun will solve the problem ?
great that you started to post again i love your vids man
G'day Danny,
he was really good about the refund, I'm sure if I was selling GPUs by post I'd want to make sure the one coming back as faulty is the one I sent,
That is the Seller beware side of eBay, the number of people that have a broken Part buy one the same & claim the one they bought off you is faulty so they can send you the broken part & keep the good part you sent them
Dad you were 2 seconds away from the ad revenue ;~;
I know, I cut videos off just before 10 mins on purpose
BUT DAD I WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT BREAD
Nerd on a Budget yea cause then you wouldn’t be Nerd On A Budget. You’d just be Nerd 😂
I purchased the same exact model on eBay and windows had problems recognizing the card. Turns out it had a modded mining bios. I looked up how to flash the stock bios and then it worked perfectly. Maybe you had a modded bios on the card?
Same story here for me. Not the same card or seller, but the card wasn't recognized properly and didn't work with the driver or windows drivers. Used amdflash to put a stock bios fixed it completely
Even if the card has the standard bios, i have seen videos that fixed defective cards by simply reflashing the stock bios again.
If your selling a graphics card make sure its stock bios if it was used for mining.
A flashed bios for mining cause should not cause artifacts.
I snagged an RX 470 from ebay for only $64 w/ free shipping. When I got it the drivers wouldn't work and it was giving awful performance. It took me a while to figure out, but it had a flashed mining bios and all I had to do was reflash the standard bios and it works fine now. And of course in the guys description he had "Used in my PC for gaming. Never has been used for mining over overclocked."
LOL, miners gonna lie like dat. From the comments I'm getting it sounds like a lot of bios related problems usually show signs well before launching a game and benchmark. Plus this guy said he tested it himself and didnt have the same issues I had, so i didn't suspect it of having a bad bios, especially since this had a switch for two bios and I tested both with no luck, I don't think miners would flash both bios, doesn't make sense to me anyway. The card is already on the way back, otherwise I would probably have tried a different bios just to see
@@nerdonabudget Yeah I think yours was just a card was bad. If it was a bios thing I don't think you would be seeing fluid framerates in Unigine Heaven.
Tech By Matt This happens on any modded BIOS, run atimdagpatcher to sign the driver. I have to run that after every driver update (unlimited power bios, tightened Vram timings, Vram overclock locked in). My cards wouldn’t run base clock speeds even with +50% power limit, and like 850 Mhz on Furmark... Modded BIOS so it actually hits rated speed. Some silly low limits, I tested it at 300w on air (this is not normal, I had a 120w modified case fan blasting it like a hurricane, and set the 2x RX 470 TimeSpy record, 600w on the GPUs, a separate PSU for the fans, etc). Unfortunately the stock BIOS is “defective” (it works as THEY intended, but I call it defective since the base clock speeds are a lie if it can’t hit those without mods. So I fixed it, and then went ahead and tuned it up since it’s modded).
You’ll probably want the mining BIOS when possible, mine were a customized flash (I tuned the hex values per card after I binned them), a miner may not want unlocked power limits, but they probably already improved your Vram. You can also edit the BIOS they had to unlock or raise power limits.
Danny, I bought two of those, so if you can't find another one I'm sure we could work out a deal.
NOAB I was so hyped to see this upload, I feel like I've been waiting forever for you to drop a new vid haha. No pressure though! So happy to hear there's more in the works, including that LAN party. Those are awesome to see, me and my friend do the same every few months. Not as big as yours though
Sorry about the bad luck but it always good to see you my friend - First 65 or Older - Thanks
Have you updated your PC mr. Dresch?
@@amehu not yet run into some med bills and been thinking of just waiting for Ryzen third Gen and just go crazy. Thank you for asking .
@@gerarddresch712 Ryzen 3000 should be crazy indeed but if you got bills I bet present 2000 series should serve your needs plenty. Good luck and God bless
@@amehu Thank you and just waiting for the last of them . Yes a 2700 be fine but want to see that 3600 first if rumors are close to right it will be a beast. Your channel looking gud also. Thanks
You can just flash the original bios
Use GPU-Z
then check the memory of your video card then search for a bios on techpowerup websute and use a flasher
:)
Bought the same card a few weeks ago. I went to techpowerup and updated the BIOS before I did any testing. Worked perfect.
love the video Danny... sorry for your bad luck. Man I love those Sapphire gpu's. The shroud and backplate look SOOOO good and are one of the best looking gpu's on the market imo. Wish they made Nvidia cards.
Also... just based on the fact that he had so many of these they were likely used in a mining rig of some kind.
I love those sapphire cards, I got a sapphire rx 580, but I saw that 470 deal and was tempted to get one just to have on hand
Sorry that you hit a bust. I have yet to have this experience. Its been three years now since I started dabbling. And every time I get something I get super nervous that this might happen to me. But without that feeling I would not feel so excited when the system works with no problems.
I like your glasses bro LOL. I purchased two XFX 470 4g cards off the bay recently, one is a superstar and overclocks easy the other wont take any overclock at all but it still works normally. Paid $75 each from two different sellers.
Feels bad man, I bought the same card from the same seller and mine worked out well $61.00 shipped plus the back plate is cool. I am sorry you had a bad experience. :\
Nice video. Sorry about your bad luck with the video card.
I've bought 1 GPU off of ebay in my lifetime, an xfx r9 290, which I am still using to this day. Got a great deal and got lucky with it, it's been a real workhorse for me.
I bought my RX 460 4gb for $130 on sale before the mining craze, but when I decided to upgrade to a RX 580 8gb the mining craze made it cost me $329, I bought both at newegg! But when I switched from ATI to Nvidia I paid $300 for a brand new Palit 1070Ti, though I did later buy a waterblock, 800l/h pump and 120mm radiator. Which was all I had room for in my case with the 240mm aio stuffed in there "It is a micro-atx case". But I went from an easy 80-82 c during heavy load and 78 c gaming to a cool 48 c during heavy load and 45 c max during gaming, that is at the 1898 mhz it runs at stock. But I just saw an ad from alibaba, you can get 2 manli GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gallardo's "2 being the minimum purchase amount" for only $389 each!
I bought a msi 970 off ebay and got popped with the $20 for shipping too and wasn't expecting it, makes me wish I'd would've bid lower, but... The card works, but the problem I have is it takes forever to boot with it (when I use onboard graphics it boots as it should). Was going to try updating the motherboard bios(msi b75 if I remember correctly and an i7 2600), but I can't get it to update anyway I try. It won't work online or through a flash drive and I've updated bios before, but this one has me stumped, so I just wait or don't power it down often...
this is why you test it before you build it.
you need spare parts for a test bench / testing rig for used and new parts to see if they work. and if they do then you build it and put all together.
coz if you can't then you'll be forced to swap shit out and that just takes up so much more time than necessary.
i don't test inside a case, i use an open air test bench first. usually the graphics cards first, then poweor supplies, then rams, processors, etc. etc.
it would suck if you built a pc expecting everything to work when you're using a bunch of used parts. it doesn't always work that way. specially with used parts. i test everything then put it together. so i know if something doesn't work, then that just means i did something wrong.
anytime there is artifacts the gpu is defective. ANYTIME! You can possibly lower the memory speeds on the gpu with msi afterburner you can actually turn it into a semi-working card doing that.
bought the same card. had artifacting when i tried to install the drivers from AMD on a new build. flash the correct rx470 bios onto the card. and it works flawlessly. but at the same time, not everyone knows how to do that. and shouldnt have to do it either. i notice the bios on the rx470 was like a ~.100 off from the bios that are on techpowerup. so flashed those and it worked.
I bought a sapphire nitro rx 470 too like two weeks ago for 70 dollars and I thought it was the normal one but it was the mining edition and it had only one dvi port. For output and I couldn't figure out how to get atiflash to work on it so I ran this patcher thing and it worked so I just kept it.
Tough luck, man. I'm on like my 6th RX470/570 from eBay, and only two of them gave me issues. The two Red Dragon RX570s would give a display but windows would error on driver install and it wouldn't take. Figured they came from a miner who messed with the vbios, so I reflashed the stock vbios on both cards and voila, multiple passes with Unigine Valley and Firestrike with no issues after that. Saved em. Got a small partial refund from the seller though considering if I wasn't a technician, I wouldn't have figured that out so easily. So it was extra win-win.
Gotta take some risk for all these savings we're getting, amirite? It's just a part of the game, this would be a lot worse though for a first time builder who doesn't have extra parts on hand to test and pinpoint the problem
I can't wait for the LAN party video!
Have you tried to switch BIOS on the card?
I had underperforming rx580 until I found a small BIOS switch above LED Sapphire logo, that fixed it
Yup I did try that, no luck
What's the keyboard you're using?
Oh man. I feel for you Danny. I was actually going to buy this from that guy and possibly take multiple cards because I build PCs for fun and sell them. I ended up not picking this up. I’m sure this is just one bad card from the many he had.
Mining BIOS wasn’t the fault, you definitely had Vram about to completely bite the dust (that flickering though makes me think the core was also going bad). You defiantly had degraded memory though, nothing you can do to fix that (you can dump more voltage into it, but then it’s going to degrade even faster, it was already broken as is).
I push a lot of cards to see how they artifact for fun, I love when I finish a benchmark with over half the screen as artifacts and get a “valid score”, lol... my Titan Xp does checker pattern past 13.5 GHz Vram, and I’ll probably do a compilation of all the artifacting I can force cards to do sometime because hey are all really interesting, some look like fireworks, others ice glaciers, some polygon random colors spazzing, it’s all great fun.
I have to mod any BIOS for extreme benching, the drivers will only complain about the signature, sign them with ATImdagpatcher and off to the races! They won’t artifact unless you did something wrong like bad overclock settings locked in. Mining BIOS are what I base my settings from, it’s no issue for gaming (they are tuned and optimized so actually better than the stock gaming BIOS in games, they are just a derivative on most of them anyways)
have you ever purchased out of the oly area?
Do you ever buy parts from fans? Cuz I have some rx 580's and 570's that I have from a mining build I did in 2017. They're all working. Selling them has been kind of a pain. I can give you a good price on them. I'd be happy to provide video of the cards working.
it's a shame you got a faulty card but good on you for extensively diagnosing the problem before requesting a refund
Hey Danny, Miner here and also a PC enthusiast. In my experience, those happen whenever I put in the Wrong Bios when I flash it back in for reselling. Should have tried Flashing that GPU bios. Anyway if you need any of those sapphire rx 580's for cheap send me a dm.
Dang, I bought one of these too lol. It's sitting in the closet til I get the rest of the components as I'm getting back into gaming and do not have a system to test it out on yet. Mine came out to $64 shipped so I couldn't turn it down at the time. Fingers crossed I guess!
Chris I bought one too. Lol. It’s being delivered tomorrow. But I have no system to tested on because I’m currently just starting the build
More than likely you will be okay, lots of people had no issues
Nerd on a Budget UPDATE: I finished my pc build and installed the gphx card. I flashed the bios because it had the wrong one installed!! After it got a fresh bios it crashed my pc and I got the same lines you got on yours. 🤦♂️. Thanks for the video!
So what are you gonna do now? Refund?
Nerd on a Budget yep. I started the process even tho the seller said no refunds accepted. Hopefully eBay will be on my side
You think that bad I bought ssd PNY brand and got it on sale and couple discounts got doI got before wn $10.00 it was smallest one they had and I got before Christmas and die at the end of March and new or used it a 50/50 gamble ether way.
I just ordered a "manufacturer refurbished" rx 580 and now you got me nervous lol
occultworks never buy used/refub gpu i bought a gtx 1070Ti worked fine until a fan died not a big deal i ordered a remplacement fan, when it came and it was time to change it i found a lot of dirt all over the pcb even on the vrms and rust on some smds and chips i cleaned it changed the fan didn’t work turned out it was the fan cables so i contacted the seller and got a refund was the first and last time i will buy used gpus
I am happy that my used r9 380x has only one problem... coil whine.
Big problem tho, oof
@@ineligible2267 not that big, because gpu's fans and pc fans make noise that covers a bit this coil whine, and I am using headphones when I am playing. When the gpu isn't used too much it doesn't make any noise.
As soon as the seller wrote he would need the serial number i was like:" Aw shit, here we go again"
I picked up an rx580 for $100 local.. pretty nice card.. not really an AMD fan but couldn't pass it up!!
Next time also check if it has a dual bios switch, some of the sapphire gpus have them, the nitro plus models I think.
I did, it had the dual bios switch, both gave the same result
Everybody comments about mining bios....
But the black flickering is always voltage regulation.
Try Undervolting it, a single step down should do the trick.
Can't now, the card is already on the way back. But what about the weird desktop artifacting, no way that should have happened under such low load would it?
Artifacting could be caused by all sorts of various problems... But I wouldn't discount it. Multiple issues are usually related.
Back in the 80's and early 90's on 2D cards before 3D acceleration. A similar zig-zag pattern of rectangles would indicate Ground Loop Feedback. Usually a short on the display connector...
But that could be a wild lark and completely tangential.
KomradeMikhail the checker pattern is memory (even my Titan Xp does this at 13.5 GHz Vram or higher, as well as occasional green pixels). This is typical of memory. When it’s the core you get flickering or fireworks (that was a sweat GTX 960! Looked like actual fireworks in games, I thought it was cool, my cousin who owned it did not...). Or I’ve also gotten glaciers on the sides of the screen or massive polygon triangle color flickering on Fiji series.
The flickering can also be from the 1.8v auxiliary rail failing, but that usually only happens on extreme overclock cards (I don’t mean water cooled, even my normal systems ice over on “daily” coolers, I’m talking much more extreme than that).
Most likely both your core and Vram were about to crap themselves even worse! But don’t worry, I practically trip over $80 RX 580 8GB cards in the US they are so common. You’ll find another one, they are everywhere!
I bought one from the same seller, I had to return mine as well due a faulty fan.
Holy crap I actually got that same gpu and it ended up working, I gave it to a friend
Got a guy locally selling 470’s for $60 I been thinking about buying two. I already got a aorus 8gb rgb 580 off him a while back for $100. They are mining cards but work fine.
try different hdmi cables, i get that kind of flicker on some hdmi cables and not on others
When are you going to post the parts list for the budget setup
Omg your user name lol. That video is also in the list of "in work videos" but I forgot to mention it in this video
"ah shit here we go again"
Maybe a mining bios causing that? Maybe he'll let you try flashing to the original bios before sending back.
This card has a dual bios, I tried both with no luck, I don't think miners would flash both would they?
@@nerdonabudget probably not unless it was absent mindedness.
his face at 6:22 is so funny
i bought a gtx 970 used used a lot, it has been working now like 3 years straight and its still rolling like new
you lucky af 😩
@@samfrostify i bought it locally tho
If that was an MSI card, and within warranty from the serial, you might have been able to have them fix it for free? Don't they honor second hand purchases like EVGA does?
If you still got it, flip the bios switch. I'm pretty sure that card has a bios switch on it. He might have screwed up on fixing the bios back to stock, so the secondary bios should still be fresh.
I tried the second bios and it had the same issues, would miners flash both of them for mining? I dont know too much about mining but that wouldn't make much sense to me, which is why I came to the conclusion the card was faulty
Okay, yeah, if the same behavior happens on both bios settings, then there's definitely something wrong. I can't see a reason why a miner would change both bioses.
6:08 Nice view.
Just bought a faulty gtx 780 ghz edition the other day for 20€. The card shows red lines/pixels on screen. Changed Thermal Paste didn't help but I managed to get it working "barely" by switching bios. But the new issue is that I can run games and benchmark tools but once the gpu reaches 60°, screen starts to flicker and fade to black with "no signal" message. I think I'm gonna tear down the card one more time, alcohol wipe the pcb, completely clear all the dust on the cooler, replace thermal pads and paste and see if it gets any better. If not, it's going straight to ebay auctions for spare. It's sad to witness the suffering of such a great card =/
You likely have a nearly dead BGA solder connection. This is where baking it in the oven can work (I was going to use my SMD rework station to fix I had with similar issue, I know it’s the solder under the chip, I ran it on extreme sub-zero temps daily and the solder contracts and ... dead GPU, or works until it gets warm). Unfortunately, as I was filming to show “it’s dead”, it booted... Then I said “yeah but until it gets hot...”, at which it proceeded to run perfectly fine past 110c on Furmark with the fans basically disabled... So I got my LN2 cooler zip ties onto it and tested with some dry ice and no issues! It will definitely crap itself any second again, but hey, I might be able to destroy it before I even need to worry about fixing the solder under the core!
It was my first ever GPU, ran on phase cooling and looked amazing all covered in ice, overclocked like mad too! It deserves a proper send off in flames of glory and see if I can break some of its records. It’s just going to end up on the wall as a trophy anyways, I’d rather know it’s properly modified and dead, and that it really got its best shot at it.
But, your card probably has the same issue. It’s just much older and gone through as much thermal cycle fatigue as mine (mine was just accelerated with extreme temps, yours did the same after so many years). It’s probably dead at this point and not worth saving, but if you wanted to have fun, some heat guns get hot enough if you insulate the rest of the card and just torch the core for 15 minutes or more and might be fixed for a few more years.
Jake Garrett I dont have the tools to « bake » the card unfortunately. I can try with a hairdryer if I have some time to spare, but yeah the card is dying at this point. Unless an ebay buyer put the card on an extreme watercooling system and slightly underclock/undervolt i guess it might keep it alive a little longer but as a standard 780 instead of the ghz edition. Second faulty card I bought and it’s the first that I can’t repair. The first one was a 1050ti I bought for 40€ in 2017 ; the problem was overheating due to misplaced cooler. I still have it on an extra build and working like a charm ^^
Marc Albert Hairdrier won’t be hot enough (could you imagine the lawsuits or injuries as people melted or burned their face, or as hair caught fire? For safety reasons they don’t get hot enough to melt solder typically, that’s a really good thing!). However, heat guns are often designed to get plenty hot to melt plastics and weld them together for repair, those get much hotter since they are not pointed at someone’s face.
Not saying you couldn’t modify a hair drier, like basically obstruct most of the airflow so it gets really hot, but they might also melt themselves (I’ve melted a regular heat gun before, it was not pretty... really started smoking with the start of an electrical fire). So for safety reasons, I wouldn’t try to make them push hotter temps than they are made.
I also thought about grilling my GPU on a charcoal grill just to be funny, but most of the capacities would probably catch fire (I wouldn’t really trust putting that in a system to be honest). BUT, I really do think I could use a torch to resolver it, just blast the chip with the open flame. I’ve done some brazing/soldering/torch welding, and I often use small torches with a metal spike on the end (sometimes just a nail held on the torch head with wire), and I’ve soldered electronics that way, but you can do it with purely an open flame. It would be super sketchy to be honest, but I’m 20% confident it would work (that may sound low, but most of my projects are a 10% or lower chance of working, and I seem to underestimate the odds of success)
bout around 8-10 rx470 and 570 cards from mineres 3 fas falty and 2 i cut fix whit Flashing the same Bios on the card agin se it from a mines side thy hav 100s of cards and 10-1 it had a mining bios on and thy do liek al on the same day 1-2 migt go 100% but still be buggy so befor e retrun Flas it whit the same bios
6:10 for bent over rover
6:09 the best part of the video
i bought an RX470 for 100$ like a month ago and it works flawlessly
Just saying, I bought this same card, same seller, for $70 from him and he was good with communicating. Card is perfect except a fan is a little loud but it doesn’t affect me
This exact same thing happened with my friends Saphhire Nitro 580. This seems like a company problem as well, works with some monitors and hardware but not my friends setup. Couldn't return and ended up just slotting in another gpu that worked perfectly.
Change the display port first and then change the cable.
Try flashing the bios
0:08 That's my RX580 at +14mhz, dammit overclocking.
LOL
Room Tour plz, I see a very different look in the room, also, I had a good experience with my $33 R9 270
Room tour on the list of videos, it's such a mess though lol so I need to clean it up really good before I do that
I actually bought the exact same card, from the exact same seller a couple of days ago, and mine works flawlessly. Sorry you had a bad experience.
Nice! Yea, sucks that this didn't work out, this is such a great looking card, I love the lighting on the Sapphire text on the side
@@nerdonabudget Same, I love the way it looks, it's fully addressable RGB, and my whole build is RGB, so it looks great. Talk to the seller he has other cards, maybe you can negotiate a Red Devil RX 580 he has.
I actually bought the same card from the same seller. No issues. Just the luck of the draw it seems.
He wants a serial numba?
GIVE IT TO HIM!!
Oh I gave it to him, I gave it to him good
they used it for mining thats why try flashing the bio
The picture of the girl used in the clip is Misa Campo, enjoy.
This man knows ;)
If it was blurred out, it would be GFOAB
guy most likely tested it walked away came back 15 mins later saw it didnt crash and boxed it up as good. he probably never saw the flickering
Yeah that's what I'm thinking
Danny, not saying this seller was up to any shenanigans, but a seller's request for a serial number before returning an item can be a trap with shady sellers. I've seen sellers ask for a serial number, buyers provide it, then the seller responds that, oops, sorry, that's not a card that seller sent out. It is, in reality, but the seller is trying to get the buyer to go away. For that reason, if a seller gives you bad vibes (the messages you showed don't seem bad to me at all) and wants a serial number before they'll accept a return, it's not a bad idea to stop responding, wait for the eBay claim window to open and handle it through eBay directly.
He has probably wants it to open up the second RMA with the company. Whoever claimed they fixed and refurbed it didn’t do a good job, and so he’ll need them to fix it. The sooner he can get it fixed or replaced, the sooner he can sell it, and the first thing they will ask is the serial number.
This is why I only buy new
Those artifacts are most likely from faulty vram.
I have the same mouse lol
sign of Vram failed
Flash bios maybe?
Can't at this point, already on the way back. But seller would have mentioned that as a solution I'd think, if it had a mining bios since he claimed to have tested it with no issues
Firstly congrats on not being dead.
Huge achievement right there. But what's secondly?
@@nerdonabudget. You said firstly so I was just playing the mimic.
But did I follow up with a secondly...
heh buyer beware is the key .
Great work bro when u get ur money back maybe can score 4gb 580
Haha on already got one of those recently from offerup, which I used on the latest $250 build xD it wasn't as petty as this one though, it was a pretty low tier msi armor model. The Sapphire stuff is great
Nerd on a Budget sweet deal
yo i bought from that same person and mine was messed up too lol got that full refund tho
I know your pain
3:30 Who's that?
Why refund, or do you not know about mining bios? Tech guys are usually versed in the tech they talk about. xD
It didn't have a mining bios, seller got the card back and confirmed
Got to be honest ebay is really not good for tech deals anymore you get the odd ones but its all full of grey market knock offs and people pricing hardware all almost new prices especially things like the gt 1050ti and gtx 1050 there is no reason why either one of those cards should 100 new let alone over a hundred second hand.
Imo this gpu could be fixed by someone, not manufacturer.
And what i mean is, this gpu has been reballed :/
I have that mouse
Pretty good budget mouse huh
Unffortunate :( i got mine ok
I bought from that guy i got mine yesterday
Isn't this the seller just scamming people with the red devil rx580 on hardware swap???
Seems like modded bios. ah well glad the seller was cool!
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Dude you running a VGA roaster “application” and then just cut the power without a cooldown? After this proof video I would not give you a refound.
Yeah, I should have shut down properly, I was just done at that point of the night after all the swapping between cases and power supplies. That was the only time I shut down by power button, so I don't agree that my refund should be void, as this occasionally happens during power outages or when you trip a breaker. The card had this issue on the first bootup and subsequent bootups well before I turned the PC off by power button. Seller will likely return it to Sapphire and get it fixed and refurbished properly.
that card is fucked . The droping viedo is bad and the squares is bad also
sad tho....that RX 570 was very cool