Is Lightroom Classic DEAD?
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- With a new feature in Lightroom (the cloud version) it got me thinking...is Lightroom Classic to be discontinued?
What can possibly replace something that I have used for years and years. Is this the end of Classic!!!??
#lightroomclassic #endoflightroom #richardchubb - Jak na to + styl
If they stop LRC I'll stop Adobe ... 😞
I kind of feel the same way, but not sure where I would go if I had to! Thanks for watching...
I am inclined to agree. Honestly, they failed to bring LR to the Classic spec as promised. I do a sizable portion of my work on the road, preferring the iPad Pro over a MacBook for my editing, so I am using LR (Mobile). While decent enough, it can not compare to the LR c monster. Any additional work that LR can not accomplish, ie. HDR/Pano, Denoise, and a few other tools that have and seemingly passing on for LR, I take care of on my desktop Mac. At the moment I am “content” with my workflow, but if Adobe keeps moving down this path of ignoring their base, I will move on as well.
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Plain and simple. If Lrc goes away, I will use another editing software. I'll be done with Adobe.
Even if LR becomes almost the same as LrC? I agree, if it disappeared now I would probably look elsewhere, but if LR and LrC had the same features, and you just needed to adapt to the interface, I would probably stay, especially as I am kind of committed to Adobe now with Photoshop and Premier Pro etc. Thanks for watching
For many years Classic, and its continued development, have suited my needs. I don't have needs for mobile editing nor do I plan to. Rather than going through the effort to learn the non-classic version of Lightroom I would be inclined to spend the effort to finding an alternative to Adobe.
A good point. I am tied up in the whole Adobe eco system what with Photoshop and Premier Pro, so for those like me, transitioning away may be a bit trickier! Thanks for watching
@@richardchubbUK I've been a LR user since the very first 'free' version came out way back when. I have one major gripe with the way these software dolts do things. Always changing the way the software UI works is one of my major issues with any software or OS. I want to be efficient with the way I use the software, not spending my time learning or figuring out where they hid everything!! It really is irritating to sit for hours, combing through help files or searching through YT videos. Why can't they just leave the UI intact and just add new features? I looked at the new LR and immediately got turned off by the drastic changes that they made to the UI and as you pointed out, to the keyboard shortcuts. Arggggg.....!!!!
The new lightroom is so much better. Why not try something new? This should make fun and it is faster an more performant if your a professional. There are no excuses to give it a try 😉
The fact that you can't create catalogs in LR is the sole reason I'm still on LRc
Interesting, I only use one catalogue, with multiple hard drives for varying areas of my work/Personal photo, so Catalogues are not that crucial to me, but interesting to know how others use it. Thanks for watching, and commenting 👍
Catalogs are outdated and not state of the art anymore. There is absolute no reason to keep them. That's why Adobe stitched them.
@flol3266 😂... adobe "stitched" them for the LR, and app meant to be used mainly mobile, because they want you to pay for cloud storage. There is nothing outdated about catalogs for people that actually do this professionally. Nice try tho.
the whole idea of having to have a subscription (retired with limited life expectancy) rather than buying a product. Plus the concept of private images with peoples faces on, being sent off computer to somewhere in a cloud, are two really evil sides to big business today. I need a good - in computer system, so none of the people in my images end up in a computer somewhere i have no control over. It is really quite evil.
Thanks Richard. I'd eventually get used to changer to shortcut, but the loss of colour coding images and folders, not showing flags on thumbnails, etc would be genuine show stoppers for me - I would suddenly have no idea what state 30k+ images are in. The other consideration is how you curate and edit when on trips with very limited or no connection - happens more than people think, just visit parts of the Lakes or the Peak District. Let's hope LrC carries on.
It's like saying you found a feature in Photoshop Elements, and Adobe will stop Photoshop. I didn't spend more than ten hours working in LR and I hated every minute. It's a toy, not a tool. A miserable toy, which doesn't bring joy.
I am also finding Lightroom a bit more 'toy-like'. and Classic is more professional, but I wonder if all Classics features came to Lightroom would they need two applications when LR syncs with mobile, which is what getting more an more popular for mainstream. Plus, now with the local tab, using up storage becomes less of an issue. Thanks for watching!
The big question is the number of subscribers there are for Lightroom Classic vs. Lightroom. I think that the large number of pro photographers and serious amateurs that prefer Lightroom Classic will provide enough reason to continue the Classic platform. There are other excellent programs available that Lightroom Classic users could opt for if Adobe were to force a transition to Lightroom. BUT....what if Adobe decides to merge all of the unique tools of Lightroom Classic into Lightroom so that one version would be appealing to pro and advanced users as well as novices and less demanding users? Would doing so save enough long term labor costs to justify the cost of merging the platforms into one product? Time will tell. As a "serious" amateur, I still prefer Lightroom Classic (after taking a look at the new Lightroom).
First up, thanks for commenting, appreciate you taking the time. Your comment
"what if Adobe decides to merge all of the unique tools of Lightroom Classic into Lightroom so that one version would be appealing to pro and advanced users as well as novices and less demanding users?"
That is exactly what I think may happen over time, assuming they can convince the masses it is in their interest. If it is just the case of getting used to a new interface, and layout, but with all the features, then It should be an easy transition.
@@richardchubbUK Personally I think it's going to go the opposite way. There is a huge demand to put every one and everything into the Cloud. Even Microsoft is working on running Windows from the Cloud. Certainly pros and cons but with all the data loss, exploits, ransomware attacks on big companies one could also become a victim of losing all their data if it was only in the Cloud.
I have been using Classic since the beta days in 2006. I tried Lightroom CC when it first came out but it had too many limitations on my workflow and cataloging style. My work flow uses a flag for my first cull of the files. If I start editing one, I used the Yellow color code. Once I am happy with it, I remove the flag and change the color to Green. I used to use Purple for “portfolio” quality shot, but I have not used it in a couple years. I am also a heavy user of the Maps module. I also like to go back and see trips, etc. The last thing that is a deal breaker is the Smart Collection option. I use that to sort various things, i.e., locations, trips, and most importantly my work flow (A Collection Set w/ Smart Collections of flagged, yellow, green, Stars, and printed photos). I am sure there are other things that are missing. It would be nice to get some of those Classic features.
Great video. Subbed.
First up, thanks for subscribing, super grateful. Onto what you say, my process is a little like yours, although a lot less organised and adhered to. I do use the colour coding of images, but I use the colour coding of folders more. I run through, Flag the keepers, the use the stars to rate specifics. I am not sure if you are using the stars, but they sync to LR Cloud, whereas I don't think the Flags do (although I need to check this). I am trying to adopt Keywords. So if it is a good landscape, the Keyword Landscape is used, and this adds to a Smart Collection. I then drag these images from the smart collection into a normal collection, which syncs to LR Cloud. Then, I go and sit in a dark room for a while! 😬 Not sure if it would be a worthwhile video explaining this in more detail, but it (kind of) works for me when I do it properly!!
@@richardchubbUK No less an authority than Scott Kelby promotes the use of Smart Collections in his Simplified Lightroom Image Management (SLIM) System. After repeated attempts to get into / use LR, his system has been my key. I use Adobe image editing for its superior abilities and the many tutorials online and cos LR & PS are industry standards
If Adobe tries to replace LRC with cloud-based LR, I. Am. Out. I suspect that applies to many other LRC users as well - even a majority.
Kelby explains a WORKABLE method for using LRC as a Digital Asset Manager (DAM). I highly recommend reviewing it as he explains not only his choices but WHY he makes them. LRC puts DAM within the reach of the average person including those with learning disabilities (like me).
I will NEVER use Adobe's cloud offerings so long as BackBlaze is available. Adobe makes applications. Too many other providers provide far less expensive cloud storage with all sorts of well thought out recovery solutions for Adobe ever to be competitive. I use the 10GB Adobe provides with a CC Photo subscription to store Smart Previews of my best work, allowing me to share with clients, friends and family from my phone and tablets. Images themselves are stored locally on drives rotated off-site and to the cloud on BackBlaze. Works & provides superior redundancy.
Adobe will be opening the barn doors & letting their prize stock flee if they attempt to force users into their cloud. I'm already using DXO's Pure Raw3 and Viewpoint apps for their functionality and the quality of images I produce with them.
Without DAM, LR is just another photo program. Good, but....
If they do merge versions, they need to keep the best of both and also canvas end users what they would like. It is bound to happen and that is OK if we can have complete local storage. Some of the differences missing in the mobile version I would miss as I use them now, like colour coding folders etc.
Yep. Agree 👍. Adobe can probably tell what features are used the most and what are not, so if the time comes, they may decide what to migrate. If only 1% of users colour code folders (assuming they can tell that) is it worth them developing that feature in LR. Interesting to see what (if anything) happens. Thanks for commenting
Good video, and I look forward to hearing your take evolve as you spend more time in it. My perspective is different - I started with Lightroom, not Classic. A few times I've tried to "upgrade" to Classic and had nothing but misery. Terrible UI, unintuitive keyboard shortcuts, and a whole lot of stuff I'll never need. I much prefer Lightroom! But you said one thing that made me realize you'd overlooked something important: Classic has one Grid view, Lightroom has two (keep tapping G key). I prefer the new "justified" version but you're right that it doesn't show ratings or picks. However, the other ("old") grid view *does* show them. I only use the old grid view when I need to see them, and stay in the new grid view most of the time.
What both versions lack is something Apple Photos has supported since forever: The ability to show and *edit* Titles from within Grid view. I've been requesting this feature from them since forever but it never materializes. So useful. Also the ability to query for images with missing titles! Possible in Apple Photos but not in LR.
Thanks for commenting, I went back and had a quick look. The two views in LR for Grid View (tapping G) only works with your Cloud Library. If you are viewing photos from your local storage, it only has one view, Square Grid. (Photo Grid is greyed out in the drop down menu). Not sure if I am understanding you correctly, but you can edit the Title box in Grid view, but down the sidebar on the right that pops out when you click on I, in the bottom right corner? Like I said, may be misunderstanding this bit!! 😀
@@richardchubbUK Oh right, I did notice that the "modern" grid view is disabled for local storage. I wonder why - that makes no sense that I can think of! I consider it a temporary bug. Sidebar is the normal place to edit the titles - I'm talking about showing the titles in each square in the grid, and if you click in one, it's editable - that's how it works in Apple Photos and it's *much* nicer / more efficient to do all of your titling that way.
I often use the library filter feature for searches. This does not seem to be available in Lr. Am I wrong?
There is a filter option at the top, near the search bar, just to the right. It is nowhere near as thorough as the one in Classic though, I don't think. Thanks for watching...👍
Thanks for a very considered video. I am about to embark on the move from LrC to Lr simply because of the ever increasing complexity of running RAID storage in my NAS at home. I don‘t see how local storage with like-for-like loss protection can be cheaper than Cloud storage. Learning new shortcuts will be annoying, but I expect to gain a lot from the ability to edit remotely on iPhone and iPad.
One area where I understand LrC has an advantage over LrC is that you can run scripts to manage duplicates with e.g. iCloud/Apple Photos (my wife‘s favourite…), or at least you cannot do that with Lr. I am yet to solve that one though - does anyone reading this have any experience or tool recommendation? Adobe does not offer a duplicate identifier tool that I missed by any chance?
I think there are plugins out there that can help, although not sure if any are 'endorsed' by Adobe. In terms of Storage, I guess it depends on how many images you have. In 14 years of doing what I do, I have over 1.2m images, that makes Cloud storage unrealistic. 97% of these are dormant and will probably never be needed. I only see max cloud storage needed if you need to 'edit everywhere'. But I don't, so I am happy with big hard drives, and using only cloud for sharing the better images of what I need. Thanks for watching, hope you solve the duplicates issue!!
How would I migrate from LRC to LR if the following- I do have 10TB cloud space but 4TB local HD with 2TB images local, 2Tb images on an external? If I use the migrate tool as I understand it would transfer all 4TB from both local and external which my 4TB MacBook wouldn't handle>+???
Hi. Sorry for late reply, not sure if you’ve solved this. I’m not too familiar with the migrate tool. Could you get a stand-alone 10TB external HD and ‘point’ the migration to that instead of your MacBook hard drive?
Also thanks for the chat! Loved it 🤙
At 81 years of age, and a relative newcomer to Adobe, I started with Classic but just couldn’t get on with the catalog feature. It used to drive me insane trying to sort everything out. But I switched to the desktop version when they introduced Local and, joy on joy, I was able to utilise my existing folder structure as I do in any other programme I have. I really can’t think why anyone would want to use a different structure when you can now simply integrate Lightroom into your normal filing methodology. For me, it’s an absolute no brainer. I do in fact still export to the cloud as a sort of back up, but I’m just a hobbyist photographer with a very light output so not a problem for me. Thanks for this video Richard. I’ve subscribed to your channel and look forward to more videos from you. Best regards. David. East Herts. UK.
Darktable, all shortcuts can be customized. It's incredible they change the shortcuts.
Darktable crop, you don't have to click done, you just change to the next photo and it's committed.
Thanks for the video. I’m a Classic user and never even download “Lightroom” to my computer. I understand if Adobe makes an official announcement that Classic is going away but if not you never explained why I would want to switch. Is there any real reason? I use PhotoMechanic to rename and ingest my camera files and only use synchronizing in Classic to update my Catalog. Does Lightroom have Categories?
Thanks for commenting, and I am not fully up to speed as to whether Lightroom has categories yet, as I am still trying to get to grips with what it does and doesn't have! I downloaded Lightroom initially to aide my set up of Adobe portfolio. I am not advocating a switch to Lightroom. I love Classic, just wondering what the future holds. Thanks for watching 👍
Anyone using keywords will have a problem with Lightroom because you can’t copy /paste them. It can be done in Classic.
That is true, I don't use Keywords too often, but I tested what you said and you are right! You can of course (I think!) highlight multiple images and apply to all at the same time, but if you then want to add to another, yes, it appears you can't just copy and past in LR, like you can in Classic. Great observation! Thanks for watching...
From what I understand, Lightroom only allows for keyword searches within a single folder when the images are on local storage (cloud searches include all photos). So, if local storage is your primary workflow, why bother to keyword?@@richardchubbUK
problem is, the new lightroom is missing many of the important features. I do use it because keeping all my photos online gives me flexibility, and I am at the stage of thinning out my collection, not really editing it yet, but I can already see that when I'll reach the point of creating final versions of my photos, I'll have to switch back to classic or use something else.
Agreed, it is definitely interesting to see what may happen over the coming years though..Thanks for watching and commenting
Hi Richard, I recently switch from LR 6.14 to LrC. I have all my 40k photos i one catalog. I guess I waited 20 seconds for the catalog to be upgraded. Great! I store all my photos locally but generate automatically smart previews on import and also let LR create date maps. After the upgrade I switch on synchronisation and marked several of my collections to start synching to the cloud. Within minutes I saw my photos to show up in LR, on my Ipad and Iphone. It's only the smart preview that is synched and thats great because it means that it synch faster and I can edit my photos on the go from LR, Ipad or on my Iphone. All my changes will be synched back to LrC on my local computer. It's really great. Best of all is that the stored synched smart preview photos will not eat on my cloud storage (20 GB). I hope the the shortcuts could be the same in the future.
Sounds similar to what I do, but I have found that sometimes an edit on Classic doesn't always sync to LR, even though the photos actually has. Only today, I was editing some portraits, synced to LR, and the crop and edits didn't sync, but the photo did. I had to go back to Classic, tweak the exposure by 0.01, and re-force the new sync to update all the edits. I love that smart previews don't affect storage. Not sure if there is the same option I LR though, I suspect there isn't. Thanks for watching!
As an LrC user, I have no interest in moving to a program that has fewer features than LrC. I don't know why people think catalogs are so hard. It's basically the same as setting up a folder on your computer. With new features constantly being added to LrC I see no reason to switch. It suits my workflow just fine. I think Adobe is just trying to find more revenue with their subscription base...or lose revenue by making the choice of which product(s) to use too complicated.
HOw do you work with LR 5 or 6 with 2 different computer on a USB key?
Not sure. Perhaps I should test it and do a video. Food for thought, thanks for watching
I have had a similar thought, and have decided to move off classic in the photo plan and embrace the Lr with larger cloud storage option. Means I have forgone photoshop, which is excellent but under used in my workflow.
Sounds like you are using spending £9.98 (or equivalent, I am in the UK) on the LR 1TB package? Do you need 1TB of cloud storage? If you are replacing your hard drives with cloud storage purely for storage, then you don't have to. For the same price, you can get LR, LrC, Photoshop (Desktop and iPad) but with only 20GB storage. As an old Classic user, I am assuming you had everything on hard drives? why not us LR utilising the Local Storage option, forgoing the 1TB storage if you don't need it, but you will get back photoshop, even if it was under used? It is this access to the local storage that prompted the vide in the first place. Anyway, thanks for commenting, appreciate you taking the time
@@richardchubbUK you’re correct. I have moved from the 20GB storage to the 1TB plan. My objective is to maximise the interaction between the iPad and desktop connection with the cloud storage. This does mean dropping photoshop, which is a great product but I have found I don’t use enough. I have tended to use affinity photo for more involved edits to images. With the 20 GB plan I was always having to pick which images needed to be removed so I could add others which I could work on between the iPad and the desktop, which for me lead to indecision and therefore under use of this feature. My other thought is with the UI of Lr and Ps which to me appears to merging to a similar style, while the LrC has an older look, and so possibly on a retirement path (albeit a long one). One interesting discovery since my switch has been that the Camera Raw continues to work with bridge, this may be temporary but interesting nonetheless the less. Nice video hope to see more. Thanks
A classic user. When the cloud version debuted, I was not interested as I don't want my images in the cloud, nor do I want to pay their price for storage. I don't do mobile editing, so that's of no interest. I work off my local storage only. As for shortcuts, I don't use the keyboard very much, so that's not a big deal for me; but, I do color code images particularly those collected for pano shots. The color codes help me keep the pano components organized and easy to see. I'm not thrilled with the idea of losing Classic. I agree that they will likely not want to support two versions once they feel they are past critical mass on acceptance of the cloud version of Lr. I have looked at other solutions and, depending on the learning curve, that is always an option depending on the perceived level of pain.
What you say makes perfect sense to me (although don't forget, you don't have to pay for cloud storage to use the non Classic version of Lightroom now)! Thanks for commenting
I switched recently to cloud based and man I love being able to edit and share from any device ;) .I also have found I am much more organized on Cloud as when I have down time I will grab my phone and do some organizing ;)
Agree, absolutely love the cloud based version. I started off on the Classic version and loathed it. was an early adopter to Cloud. The album and folder organisation is sensational and to have access on any device is a dream.
I would love to use LR but I would still need to go to LR classic to print with my Canon Print Studio Pro. I am trying it out and love no more catalogue and no more pesky question marks. I just got a new computer and if I had been using just LR, transfer would be simple. Enjoy you're videos and you have a nice teaching manner.
Thank you for the video but nothing in it tempted me to move from Lr Classic. I love the way it works on the desktop but also gives me the option of editing collections of photos on my iPad or even the phone. From your video I got the impression that the disadvantages of Lr far outweighed its advantages. I therefore can see no reason for moving.
I agree, at the moment you are correct. 100%. But who know what the next 1, 2, 5 years may bring in terms of LR getting LrC features? Food for thought. Thanks for commenting, appreciate you taking the time
My biggest problem with Lightroom is you can only search on one folder at a time. I'm always going back to ALL PHOTOS in Lightroom Classic to search for a photo.
Does Lightroom do tethered capture? I use this a lot on LrC. I don't have Lightroom installed on my Mac Mini or Macbook Air.
I do have it on my iPad 12.9 M1 which is handy for uploading photos when out in the field where the Macbook isn't practical to use.
Having the Apple UHS-2 SD card reader connected to a Thunderbolt (USB-C) port and using Lexar UHS-2 cards, transfering of files is darned quick. But as it's only a 128gb model I use a USB hub (Hyperdrive) to transfer images from the SD card to a connected SSD. I use an app on the iPad called FE File Explorer Pro to transfer the files. This setup works well.
When I get home I connect the SSD to the Mac and save them to my NAS, from where I import into Lightroom Classic.
So, while the non-classic versions of Lightroom may work for me, if they don't tether cameras then I can't see myself migrating away from Classic.
I am pretty sure LR does not do tethering, and it is critical feature like that, that will need to be introduced to make sure people are happy before they make any decisions. The video was just my thoughts, I have heard nothing that indicates they are changing anything but who knows over the coming years! Thanks for commenting.
I think we will see the end of Classic. I suspected that when they named it "Classic". I still only use Lightroom Classic but I am getting Lightroom curious, especially with the local photo option. Thanks for the video Richard!
Thanks for the comment! - I am hoping the Classic naming choice is because it was the original, not because it is not long for this world. We shall see!!
I’m with you there. I still prefer classic so we can hope.
How much is 30Tb of cloud storage going to cost? Cause that is what I have. Over 450k high resolution pics.
30TB of cloud storage is likely to cost a hell of a lot...but remember it doesn't matter, unless you absolutely have to have all 30TB in the cloud? You can now access Local Storage in LR, like to you in Classic, so you can us LR (not Classic) without using any Cloud Storage at all, only adding to the cloud what you want to share. Thanks for commenting, appreciate you taking the time
Classic since LR3 - Photography Bundle subscriber. I'm a totally amateur photog, but I regularly have personal projects where I need to select a photo from the complete 10k or so photos on my hard drive - and to do that, filenaming or using named folders doesn't provide enough depth of selectability - but keywording does. So I guess I'm in the photo-organizer camp that still needs to be able to use a catalog. There are plenty of times when I just want to do quick editing of 1 or a few photos and for that I go into Photoshop and use the Camera Raw filter. Those quick-use photos never (seem to) get imported into LR Classic - maybe copied into an appropriate folder: Colorado>RMNP>Fall etc. I'll be paying attention to possible organization alternatives that when used with LR would be better for me than LR Classic has been and still is.
You can still use your Colorado>RMNP>Fall folder structure and edit in both Classic and LR, or perhaps I have misunderstood your comment. In any case, thanks for watching and commenting.
Hi Richard - my comment was only that a folder structure can't capture multiple aspects that I need to look for. e.g. boat, aspens, lakes, stone building, tuba etc. when a photo may have more than one of those things. Thanks for getting back to me:) I can't see any reason (for my situation) to use LR rather than Classic instead of continuing to just use the Camera Raw Filter in Photoshop for editing those non-catalogued photos.
Used Classic and then changed to LR with more on line storage. Moving over was painful. Pretty well had to add everything back from scratch. The other main issue I have is the lack of plugins in LR! It’s my opinion the Adobe wanted to be through this transition years ago, and that they can’t continue to spend money on two versions, so I think Classic will go away at some point. I do think they have to allow catalogues and plugins to make that happen though. I do enjoy being able to edit on multiple devices. I use a PC, an IPad, and a Mac. I even use my phone at times.
Agree with you, especially the part about aligning more features across the two. Storage is less of an option now, you can access your local drive, and just add what you want to share. Thanks for commenting, have a great day
If everyone moves for no reason at all, only to encounter issues and waste time... then I guess your opinion might become a fact.
What about print module.
Hi Richard, great to see you back, it's been a while... My view is that Lrc will stay at least for the foreseeable future, also people can't afford the cloud space as well. I have uninstalled Lr as don't think it's at all user friendly at the moment, I dare say that in the future who knows what's going to happen.....Think Lr has to become Lrc for it to work....Good video Richard. Colin Devon...
I agree, it is not as user friendly as Classic, but I think when you learn on a platform, moving to another can feel like it is not as intuitive, at least for me anyway! In terms of cloud space I store locally, and don't really use the Cloud that much, so not really an issue for me, and those like me, but you make a valid point in terms of ever increasing costs. Thanks for watching
Hi Richard, thanks for your reply, I think adobe would loose a lot to Luminar etc... if they removed Lrc In my opinion, think they should put Lrc & Ps together as they are very similar in my view.....Will watch your next video Richard...Thanks Colin in Devon.
Smart Collections are missing in Lightroom. Key-wording is much more robust in LrC. I like so many things in Lightroom, but I will continue using LrC
I heavily use smart collections and color coding files. I would sorely miss them.
I agree with this. I also wonder what will happen if all those features come over to Lightroom? Thanks for watching.
I only ever use my Canon DSLR to shoot and don't save my images on a cloud for a number of reasons. If Classic was to go and I am forced to pay for cloud storage rather than the desk top storage I already own then I would have to look for an alternative to edit my images. I need to have complete control over where my images are stored and who has access to them. Who is to say that with the advances in AI produced images that they don't take their source files from cloud based systems without your knowledge or consent. They have to get their images from somewhere. Just a thought.
But now, with the new Local tab in Lightroom, you can edit your images in the non Classic version without using up cloud storage, which prompted this video in the first place. Also, if you are using any AI features in Classic, they may (although I am not sure) have access to the image you are using it on for development purposes. See their comment on their website as per the below. Thanks for watching, much appreciated.
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There is a still a long list of features that Adobe would need to add to get parity and court serious commercial and hobbyist photographers to Lightroom cloud. The other big hurdle is that there is not great Internet everywhere. I have 3TB of photos and 9 months of the year only have access to a DSL line. My workflow that starts by importing a full shoot doesn't work if those are all going to be synced to the cloud.
As you may know, LR now has access to Local Storage, which makes it more like classic in the sense it can be used without the cloud. Therefore, the whole shoot doesn't have to be synced to the cloud, only if you want it to. I guess if practical you could take the Hard Drive with you to the places with lesser internet and it will become 'local' storage. Still doesn't hide the fact the features are somewhat lacking....at the moment. thanks for commenting 👍
Very interesting, thanks
Glad you found it interesting, and thanks for watching and commenting...👍
I’m hoping that this is going to be a good thing for me. I started using classic years ago before there was a CC version but increasingly now I’m away from my desktop when I want to edit so the ability to start properly use local storage with Lightroom cc will help me get organised again.
I would really like a video on how to successfully transition to Lightroom from Classic taking into account that I do have some photos in the Adobe cloud that I have on,y ever edited on a mobile device. Yes I am in a bit of a mess but this looks like I might be able to get myself sorted if I can get the transition right.
Transitioning from Classic to to Lightroom is definitely a video for the future, once I have explored it a bit more!! Thanks for the comment.
I certainly hope that Lightroom Classic remains for advanced photographers and Pros who can not afford the higher priced software because they are not making money from their photography, and yet are still appreciate croping and tweeking photos to look better than as-taken.
Makes sense, definitely better features in LrC, but I have mentioned this in other comments, with local storage, it has taken LR closer to LrC, but no longer having to rely on their Cloud Storage. Time I guess will tell, thanks for watching 👍
I use cloud based only on iPad.
Otherwise I use classic. There’s too many things missing from cloud to make it productive.
I’m also looking at capture one and if it’s a better solution
Capture One seems to be the go to platform for tethering I believe. And I agree, there needs to be a few more features added to LR that you can get in Classic to make people move away from Classic I think, thanks for commenting, appreciate it
I think what's likely to happen is LrC will go into maintenance mode at some point. It won't be discontinued for another ten years probably.
That could be a scenario, for sure. Wonder if and when that may happen though....thanks for commenting
Thankyou for your video. I too want to know where Adobe is going, and note some glaring misses in Lightroom from Classic...or like you, I just can't see how to do it yet! HA.... CLASSIC lets me edit, arrow to next photo, edit, arrow to next photo, rince repeat, .... LIGHTROOM seems to require me to edit, X out of photo, choose next photo, edit, X out of photo.... ugh. perhaps that feature will come tomorrow. One feature I do like in LIGHTROOM - though I wish I could change it easily - is seeing photos tightly aside one another. I can fit many more photos on my screen to gander at w/out wasted space. I find CLASSIC has a lot of wasted space between photos, for info, starring, etc..
Hey … one more thing
Maybe I’m the only one who doesn’t know this but …
Lightroom will only show me the SYNCed folders I’ve chosen in Classic.
So.. Lightroom is really a bigger version of the iPhone/iPad app.
When I think of it like that I can calm down! Ha
but it begs the ask : is Classic actually Dad and Lightroom is a child? I think so.
And therefore, Lightroom will retain my sync’ed collections/ folders, and I can open Classic with any other catalogue and it won’t change Lightroom contents. That could be a plus under some circumstances.
Thanks for the comment. I think for viewing thumbnails in Lightroom, the best you may get is Click on View, Viewing Options, and untick the Show Grid Extras box. Cleans it up a bit, but there is still a lot of space between images
I haven’t been on Lightroom for a couple of years now, but I keep it on my computer as there are hundreds of “shoots” stored with their catalogs. I believe(d) I could always re-subscribe and edit/export my work at a later date. It sounds like that may no longer be a very smart idea if catalogs are no longer supported… Bummer!
Catalogues are definitely supported on Classic, but not needed on LR (the cloud version). Thanks for commenting..
I think you’re right Classic is likely to be discontinued in years to come. I am a heavy user of it but I like the idea of a new workflow in Lightroom. Particularly being able to store my best shots in the cloud at full resolution. I suspect this means I won’t be tied to one machine anymore. I travel a lot and this will be a game changer for me
I am looking at saving my keepers as low res jpgs, and just sharing those to Cloud. It is very rare that I ever need access to everything. Having said that, there are still some features of Classic that are missing that would make me switch full time. Thanks for watching...👍
Add that capacity to LRC and I agree. Try to replace LRC with LR + Adobe's ridiculously overpriced storage & it's Pearl Harbor for Adobe. Unlike the USA in 1941, I do not think Adobe would survive, much less defeat their rivals & remain dominant in today's highly competitive world.
Adobe is notorious for program incompatibility. They call it a family of products, but they are not. The differences you point out between cloud and classic are the tip of the iceberg. LRC, Camera Raw , Lightroom, Bridge. Photoshop, the phone apps, etc, are hardly even second cousins. They each have their own ways and shortcuts for each function. No continuity whatsoever! As a professional photographer that drives me nuts and prevents me from acquiring more Adobe products. The plugins from 3rd. Party vendors offer the ability to edit in Photoshop in your choice of formats (tif, jpg, etc) and when done editing, the image shows up in Lightroom in your selected format. Adobe doesn't even offer that! If you save from PS in a format other than tif, you have to re-sync that folder in LR to get it cataloged. That is just mind numbing insanity!
Many recent changes are wonderful but until they get a true family relationship between programs, they will continue inspiring customers to get additional apps elsewhere.
The question is why would you switch from Classic to Lightroom? (Assuming Adobe hasn't dropped Classic.)
I don't know this for sure, but I would imagine syncing across devices would be easier, as you are not relying on having to set up collections etc. This is of course if they both had the same features. One massive barrier to LR has been removed, now they have Local Storage access. Thanks for watching!
I use Lightroom on my iPad but I still prefer Classic on desktop. It's far more complete. It's a bit like the pair Premiere Pro vs Premiere Rush. Rush is great for quick and light mobile projects, but can't replace Premiere Pro in every situation.
For sure. LR on mobile is (for us both it seems) a temporary measure when your desktop Classic version is not with you. I have occasionally synced a shoot to a collection so I can sit on the sofa and pick/reject photos, but not often enough to say I do that regularly. Thanks for watching.
Is LR classic still exist? I tought LR6 was classic then the payed version was LR CC.
Yes, there is Lightroom Classic (LrC), which is a desk top version. Lightroom Creative Cloud (LR CC), relied totally on their cloud storage until recently, when you could access local storage from LR CC. But you need to use their Cloud Storage to share across devices. Hope that kind of helps!!
I use Classic on my iMac and mainly view photos in Lightroom on my iPhone and iPad. Classic has become much more powerful through the masking tools and doesn't need much for me to stop using Photoshop. I can see Adobe dropping Classic in a couple of years but need to add some key functionality for Desktop/Laptop users. They also need better functionality for iPad users. Lightroom will become a powerful one stop solution for photo editing.
Totally agree with what you say, and yes, LR will need to have a lot of features added before it becomes a direct replacement for classic. I was just wondering if the Local Storage option was the beginning of the process. Maybe. Maybe not. Time will tell...thanks for commenting 👍
I think Classic is there to stay. The Lightroom version to me is more like having I Lightroom with your synched images from your main computer to take with you on your travel laptop so that you can do some work while being away. One of the biggest gaps in the newer LR is the lack of Plugins.
Others have mentioned Plugins being an important feature that is missing, so it is obviously something that is wanted. I don't use any plugins, so not a feature I am missing at the moment. I kind of hope Classic is here to stay, but the connection between local hard drives and the application itself is cleaner in LR, it, no catalogues for example. I still need to explore the feature properly on LR before I make any judgements though!! Thanks for watching.
It seems like the opening shot of eventually collapsing them into "Lightroom".
Exactly what I was thinking. If LrC features hit LR, and now with the access to local storage why would they need two? I guess time will tell, thanks for watching and commenting
Maps are still on my classic Mac version.
Mine too, I think when I was talking about that, I was referring to Lr, not LrC, but soz if it wasn't clear! Thanks for watching, Rich
Could I see them eventually phasing out Classic? Absolutely, but only after implementing those advanced features. I agree that maintaining both platforms seems odd. If they can figure out a way to merge both functionalities into one, it would make the most sense.
100% agree!! Thanks for taking the time to comment
No book module and no print module for collages
They are two of the Classic feature I don't use, but I am sure those that do would miss them for sure
So my question is... why on earth did you move to Lr?
Hi, thanks for commenting 👍. I haven't made the switch, still use Classic for everything. The introduction of access to Local Storage in LR prompted me to take a look at it in a bit more details, and just got me thinking. Still use Classic, and will until a few more features are added to LR, then we will see.....
I believe from the software development point of view LrC has reached the end already. Since years, changes are mainly focussing on the RAW developer part and made available to ACR, LR and LrC simultaneously. From that point of view, I think LrC is already a "dead end" and I don't expect major new features to be added to the database, the search engine etc. I however assume the raw engine for all three versions is already based on the same (more modern) code base so raw enhancements can be easily built into all three versions. So my guess - Adobe will keep maintaining LrC to keep long standing customers happy (and they have programmers left to maintain the old LrC code). They will build up more database and search capabilities into Lr cloud mode to make it more and more attractive. They will however not add local database functionality to Lr (they will put it into the cloud). At some point in future with increasing availability of (low-cost) bandwidth to customers, Adobe will see increasing ROI on their cloud versions and decreasing revenue from their "fat" subscription models. At that point in time they will start to retire LrC.
thanks for commenting 👍, and what you say may be the future. Access to Local storage is already in LR (non Classic), so you don't have to use the cloud if you don't want to, which makes it a more feasible proposition for me, as someone with over 1m photos for work and personal.
I think if Adobe moves to all cloud based I will need to find another system. From their income perspective everything on their servers would make a lot more and steady income but will the increased income per user make up for millions of users switching from the platform entirely? Possibly it is. I have 4 4Tb drives almost and It would not be cost effective to pay to store them on their cloud. I have used other applications in the past and I am like LRC but not at the expense of losing control of my work and the files of my clients.
I am an American but do not live in the US and haven't for 24 years and have no bank accounts there and with the sanctions, it is really a hassle to pay for subscriptions since they only accept US based credit cards,
Can't comment with any degree of intelligence I am afraid on subscription payments, but in terms of the 4 x 4TB drives and storage...don't forget you can now access them directly through LR (not Classic) and also edit them etc without putting one image in the cloud. That new feature is what prompted the video. Thanks for watching, much appreciated.
I'm thinking Adobe has developed Lightroom Classic and Lightroom the way they have because the users of each are somewhat different in their needs. I think Adobe would be better off to integrate Lightroom Classic and Adobe Camera Raw and keep Lightroom as a seperate application. Of course they would have to provide a way to smoothly integrate the cataloging system and other features found in Lightroom Classic in this process.
I hope they never do away with Classic. I shoot both digital and film and I use Classic instead of Lightroom because I tether my DSLR camera to my PC laptop with Classic to scan my film negatives. If they do discontinue Classic I hope they put the tether feature in Lightroom. Another reason why I use Classic is I don't want/need to store my files in the Cloud.
As you may know, LR now has access to Local Storage, which makes it more like classic in the sense it can be used without the cloud, but yes, definitely a lot of features need to be added to make it a serious replacement, but who knows what the future may bring...thanks for commenting 👍
Because I travel a lot and do not always have an adequate internet connection, I will certainly not use an application where I am dependent on that connection.
How do you edit now when traveling using Classic? Do you sync previews and use those to edit when you are travelling? Curious as I am off on a big trip later this year so looking to explore workflow when on the road. Thanks for watching....
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When I travel I use my portable computer with an external (USB) drive. If there is a reasonable internet connection, I synchronize the file to a cloud
I don't know if Adobe will eventually remove LrC or not but it wouldn't surprise me if they did. The movement away from personal ownership towards SaaS has been going on for quite sometime now. From a business standpoint it makes sense. It locks the consumer into paying a fee constantly for not only using software but for having access to their own images (which technically will no longer be their own). Don't pay and you lose access to all of your photos and work you have done on them over the years. I'm old fashioned. I believe in ownership and control. I backup all my photos on hard drives and for the most part keep them off the web. If I want someone to see something I'll upload it and send it but I want to control when and where I do anything with my photos. I'm obviously of a different generation and cloud technology along with SaaS doesn't seem to bother a lot of people as much as it does me.. I guess I'm different but I'll hold on to classic as long as I can and hope Adobe doesn't change but if they do you'll still have the option to keep your work where you want it and get it whether you pay some corporation or not.
First of all, I had to look up SaaS, so thank you for educating me on that term 😂👍.. The new Local Folder tab in LR though means you do not have to put anything into the Cloud for storage if you do not want to as you can access the Hard Drives sitting on your desk. I am not sure what access Classic has to your images, for example if you use the AI masking features though? I found the below on their website, but not really investigated it beyond this. Thanks for commenting 👍
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@@richardchubbUK sorry for using an acronym without writing it out first. Software as a Service is the meaning of that term and has been the emphasis in technology for the past several years. I used to work for an IT services company so that term was thrown around quite a bit.
I would highly doubt that LR Classic is dead. LR Classic still has its place with photographers all over, even IF the cloud-based Lightroom added local drive access so that you wouldn't HAVE to touch the cloud features if you didn't want to. I hope it doesn't go anywhere (Lightroom Classic) because nearly all of the standalone photo-editors regardless of whether they have a DAM or not (On1 Photo RAW 2024 MAX especially) use Lightroom Classic AS a plug-in.
I hope it isn't dead, but if the Classic features get added to LR, would they want to maintain two essentially the same systems? I am rubbish at these sort of predictions, so hope I am wrong! Thanks for commenting.
Even so though, LRC still does things the cloud LR does not. For example the modules that iin LRC. You are right though. I hope LRC doesn't go anywhere anytime soon.
Great assessment of the differences in the platforms. It has been puzzling to me that Adobe decided to have two divergent platforms with different hotkey and tab philosophies. I understand that they wanted to create a product that is more cloud-focused, but why diverge so much from the mainstream product? From a cost basis alone, you'd think there would be a tremendous advantage from reconciling the code base so there would be an easier convergence in the future. Personally, I also have the situation of more files I want access to than the cloud structure could cost effectively support. Lightroom still doesn't have the functionality I need for me to retire Lightroom Classic.
If LrC features came to LR, and with access to local storage, you have access to all your files. I guess if you want every single file shared over the cloud, then yes, it could get expensive, but I wonder how many people regularly need access to all their images? Thanks for commenting 👍
Agreed, if LR will have the same features I would migrate that direction. However, there would need to be some evidence that Adobe was putting all their development effort into that platform with the purpose of eventually retiring LrC. From a workflow perspective, I'm concerned about some of the instances you identified in your video that are much less efficient. Particularly cropping a whole series of photos. (not batch, one by one, but having the crop tool not have to be recalled one by one) @@richardchubbUK
3rd party extensions. Need a way to automatically use the same extensions in LRc. I'm surprised they have not address this.
Good point, I don't use them but for those that do, this is a great observation!
I hope LRc remains. I am not a user of LR and the cost of storage in the Cloud is far greater over time then an external hard drive. I have only used LRc for about a year and have never used LR so it would be devastating to me to switch. I know I would be able to but the time it would take to learn the differences between the two would be too much.
Thanks.
But you don't need Cloud now for Lightroom - agree, probably the first hint of the direction that Adobe will head
As another person mentioned, LR no longer needs their cloud storage as you can access and edit direct from your Hard Drives...like Classic. There is a big gap in features from what I could tell (I maybe wrong as I have not played much with LR). But, over time, if (it is a big if) LR and LrC become similar why would they need two? Thanks for watching and commenting
If Adobe ends Classic, for me that would mean a single trip to Capture One. I've never understood the company's development of the online version of Lightroom, other than with the purpose of making users fill up storage room at Adobe. Let alone that I see any use for me as a professional photographer. Send me out into nature for just one hour, and I'm returning with 2000 photos. I'd be transfering 24/7.
But will Adobe actually kill Classic? I'm not aware of any news, but they've been doing quite an intensive job filling Classic up with actually very useful tools that must have cost huge amounts of developing hours.
You make a great point about them developing things recently, why would they do that if there was even a remote chance of them putting it to bed.. But, ref your first point, don't forget you can access local storage now in LR, like you can in Classic, as I pointed out in the video. The Paying for Storage barrier to entry for LR has been smashed down now you can access local storage and edit without taking up any Cloud Storage from your plan.Thanks for taking the time to comment.
In 2010 I purchased a D700, which I’ve recently supplemented with a D850. At the time I also purchased LR, PS and Nik photo editing software. I never did get the hang of the Adobe products so they languished in the red background while I used what worked, the Nik software (now owned by DxO but not on a subscription basis as Adobe has deemed better [for Adobe])…
The DxO software works fine and for myself is more intuitive than Adobe products. Plus I’m not forced to rent my photo editing software paying for those months that I may not utilize it at all. I see no benefit to cloud storage as I do not remotely edit my photos, nor do I need to access them. Perhaps I’m in the minority in this, but I have a feeling most could work locally and be perfectly happy…
No Adobe products for me.
Hi, thanks for the comment. definitely subscription based software is not for everyone, but I feel that for what is not much, (3 cups of coffee from your favourite coffee shop) particularly if you use it nearly every day it is not a bad deal. Plus, you get the most recent upgrades instantly, without having to worry about waiting for the 'next major release'. However, as mentioned, not for everyone so appreciate what you are saying..thanks for watching, Rich
LRc is utilized by professional photographers and if you plan on being a professional then you need it and should be using it. LR and Lrc are different when it comes to editing.
I’m sorry but this is the dumbest accusation! These apps have two totally different applications!!!
Thanks for commenting, I was just sharing my thoughts rather than accusing anyone of anything. With LR introducing access to Local storage, it takes it a step closer to not being reliant on the cloud. Just my thoughts, thanks for watching in any case.
I am still using Lightroom 6
I haven't used that for an age, as I am in the subscription world now. I imagine there are a quite a few features you are missing, but if it does the job for you, then why not! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment, much appreciates.
Too many people still use it ,it is making money for them it is going no where !!!
I kind of agree, but I think Classic has a few more features than LR, so for us old 'uns, we make take some time to shift away! Thanks for watching!
It depends on wether Adobe thinks it will impact their profits. With classic they loose out on selling you storage space plus the added costs of developing and maintaining two types of software. I would imagine going forward you will have to pay for lots of extras which are now pretty standard which would be easier to achieve with cloud version.
Don't forget, to use LR now, you don't have to rely on buying storage, as it has access to Local Files on your computer / hard drives and you can edit direct from there. You choose what you add to the cloud, if anything at all. Features are still lacking, but who knows what the future holds. Thanks for commenting
Eventually I imagine they will find a way to merge Classic with Lr. The different keys is really annoying but the ability to edit on an iPad is really useful. I use both but mainly Classic. Catalog management is a real pain. I store my “keeper” photos on the cloud, but you have to export from Classic as a DNG and then import to Lr to avoid a Catalog conflict.
Thanks for commenting. I use collections in Classic, so you can still edit etc without touching LR. I only starting tinkering with LR recently when I set up a small portfolio website via Adobe Portfolio. Wasn't aware of the catalogue conflict so I will have to keep an eye out for that.
ON1 and other software seems to be getting more robust. I plan to move all my Lightroom over to Capture One.
I have considered that, but for cost being a bit too high for me as a non-professional.
Agreed, there are a lot of options out there. But the infrastructure of Adobe makes it easy to keep everything in the same place. (I guess that's what they want!) I also use Premier Pro, and Photoshop (a little) so having them talk to each other, particularly the Photo programs does make workflow a bit easier. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, much appreciated.
I never understood why there are two Lightrooms anyway. What kind of hacky company has two versions of the same software?
There are too many missing features in Lightroom. I have 15 terabytes of photos-I can’t afford the cloud version.
Agree on the missing features at the moment, but in the future, who knows. And don't forget that the 'Cloud' Lightroom version now has access to Local Storage, meaning you don't need to pay for their cloud storage, as you can still use your own hard drive. It was that feature that prompted the video in the first place! Thanks for commenting.
is there an old Lightroom that is not subscription based?
DxO Photolab is subscription free. I prefer it to Lightroom. I used Lightroom since it’s 1st version.
Not that I am aware of, although there are some websites highlighting LR 6 downloads, but obviously lots of feature will be missing. Thanks for commenting
Great video ! I seem to be using LR more than LRC nowadays. I'm using my iPhone 15 pro Max so much more !! photos straight to cloud /apple & Creative cloud. I can import any SD card into LR.........................long story short............ LR seems to be the future for me. Photo's on all my devices (catalogs) no good if you use more than one machine for cloud LR. Ipad Mmmm maybe good but no PS. Macbook LR straight into PS & Topaz etc. Food for thought ??
Thanks for watching and commenting, appreciate it! I too think LR will be the main platform, but only when Adobe introduce more of Classics' features, as from a few other comments and my own messing around, there seems to be a bit missing, but I could be corrected as I under LR more!
They will follow the numbers "money" If they quit LRc I will find something else. I think I did not pay attention close enough as to why one would ween off of LRc?
No reason, other than perhaps you are sold into the Local/Cloud ecosystem and LR functions are enough for you. Thanks for watching
they want abos for big cloud storage.😢
Don't forget, you do not need to use their Cloud Storage now, you can still use Local Storage on hard drives etc...Thanks for commenting, appreciate you taking the time
Honestly Adobe has always been the most difficult company to deal with their yearly nonsense updates! Soon they adobe will disappear from editing any images just like their nasty Flash Player!
why are you sending images to the cloud? is this not 1. wasting electricity, 2. risking privacy. 3 allowing AIs to filch images.
Sadly it is. Rest in Peace.
Hope not, and thanks for the comment, much appreciated.
The end of Lightroom Classic? Noooooooooooooo!!!
I hope not. Nothing has been said, just my thoughts based on a new feature added to LR Cloud. Thanks for commenting 👍
Hell yeah, this is the start of the end. No, in fact the first release of the new lightroom version was already the start of the end of classic.
There is no reason to continue developing two lightrooms.
The new lightroom is faster, has better UI. Is easier to learn and especially no catalogs!!!
The old clunky classic ui is just outdated.
And not to forget the new AI text search! This alone is game changing. No more categorizing, adding keywords and such stuff. You are soooo much faster.
Will take me a while to switch I think, but if forced to, I hope I can get used to it quickly.!!! thanks for the comment.
I will stick will LRC for now
Me too, but I will be keeping an eye on LR for sure..thanks for commenting 👍
Long live LR classic!!!
Definitely, but we never know what the future holds!! Thanks for commenting
From my petspective, Lightroom is useless. I use Photoshop, Topaz, Nik, and Luminar depending on what I am trying to achieve for competitions.
Valid comment, everyone has their favourites, or programmes that do their job the best for them. Thanks for watching 👍
no
I hope not as well, but time will tell! 👍
Simply put, pros don't do serious post processing on phones and basic tablets. That's a solution for the kids who can't afford a real computer with serious processing power. As for the app names, it's a joke Adobe's marketing department seems to be incompetent - they should have only ever named the iterations as Lightroom and Lightroom Mobile
Remember when filing was supposed to be as simple as going over to your literal metal filing cabinet. Now…with LRC filing, saving etc is so much b.s. along with the increasingly complicated nonsense with photography gear. I’m wondering, and seriously, does it seem to you that most photography we are seeing these days is so generic, very banal, technically proficient but basically crap? And could the reason be that so many folks are caught up in ‘mastering’ the complexities of the hardware, software and THAT has become what they are great at? Photography? Not so much. Just wondering.
I do get that, however you are comparing beginners to fine art. There is no comparison! However there are more snap shooters than professionals, and that is why we see so many dull and boring photos.
In the old days limited gear and you had to learn about lighting and getting it right in camera, today it’s like a PHD memorising the camera manual, mastering software , fixing computers plus the whole multiple flash wizardry 😂
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Good point. And I don’t like thinking things like this but on some level I can see some advantage for the more artistically inclined. I see now some AI creeping in and that will be part of the future no doubt but the real artists will find the right balance. At present I discern x amount or mixing in AI and what was before just banal is now even soulless. Anyway that’s just my H.O. I think I just got ticked because another vid having to explain LRC.
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You’re right and I think it’s because the manufacturers are trying to make everything capable of doing everything and may be appealing more now to techies than artists. We’ll know as time passes but in looking at so much photography today the amount of rubbish, though technically excellent is still just soulless and for the most part totally forgettable. But on the other hand if it makes people happy that’s a plus. Life is short. that’s just mho. And I’m going away now and practice my craft..lol
There are so many different forms of photography, and art that the lines are easily blurred. The way I see it is, and this is mightily clichéd!, if you are photographer, then photograph what you love. Use the software available to make the image see what your eye sees. I am against major changes, like sky replacement, for example, but if you need to use a piece of software, to give you the same dynamic range (for example) that your eye saw when you pressed the shutter, then I see no harm in that if that is the photo you want to end up with. Your point is definitely valid that certain photographers are great at taking great photos, whereas some may be great at manipulating bad photos. Thanks for commenting 👍
this guy has gone bonkers, he is just trying to get his CZcams channel going again by suggesting the demise of LR Classic. Don't believe this BS!
It is just my thoughts on the LR platforms, and what changes may be afoot. Have a great day 👍
their catalogs is sucks! thats why...
Can be clunky, but it does the job for me at the moment, thanks for watching..👍
This is recycling old news, when Lightroom came out everyone was asking the same question, however unfortunately for Adobe photographers did not buy into it. However a great Click Bait title to boost you views.
I think it was about 6 years ago when LR came out, and wasn't aware of this debate back then. Sorry you feel it was clickbait, it is just my thoughts on the LR platforms, and what changes may be afoot. I think the title etc reflected the content. Have a great day 👍
Click bait and nothing more!
Sorry you feel that way, it is just my thoughts on the LR platforms, and what changes may be afoot. I think the title etc reflected the content. Have a great day 👍